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Kazikazi:
You are laughable! What you don't understand is,building a Lamu port without demand was stupid. Building Lamu port by expecting Ethiopians won't make peace with Eritrea was stupid too. Building Lamu port and expect TZ cargo was foolish.You took a huge loan from China,only the heavens knows how you will pay that!
The word deep sea port fascinates you! Do you know how deep the port should be to have that tag of deep port?

Don't compare TZ with your failed state! We have 4 big ports. We are not a small nation with one working port! We are a united republic.

Stop this talk about Turkana oil.your oil is just too little

Mkenya2019:
Japanase throws 1.5B dollars investment in Mombasa including Dongo Kundu Special Economic Zone. This will be ready in 2023 and will provide 100K jobs.

The Dongo Kundu SEZ in Likoni, Mombasa, which is designed to be a multi-sectoral zone comprises of
Industrial Parks,
Free Trade Zones/Free Port,
Dongo Kundu Port,
Tourism Zone (MICE),
Business Service Parks;
Commercial and Residential Zone.

The SEZ will be developed in three phases with the first phase expected to be ready by 2023 and is projected to inject into the Kenyan economy Shs 400 billion in local and foreign direct investments and create more than 100,000 jobs...

Kazikazi:
What do you know about SeZ's? United republic has countless of those! Study a map below..

Mkenya2019:
Show us pictures of construction - we are 2 months to next year - And please we don't have a magnifying glasses. I went through the Lekki deep sea website - and there is NOTHING happening.

LAMU Deep Sea Port is gearing for business...follow their twitter https://twitter.com/lapsset

Abohboy:
It started last year how do you expect to seec a full blown port like your after one year yours started construction in 2012 ours was 2018 so calm down.

The website has shown pictures of the breakwater and the acropodes being used for now they also have the video of how it will look when finished

Mkenya2019:
We know you're Tanzanians - famous for being so lazy - you actually sit down the mango tree and wait for mangos to literally drop. Now LAMU port will get business because we will go look for it.

First transshipment business as we build and grow the port - the when we build the road from LAMU to Isiolo - Moyale - and Isiolo to South Sudan border - we can do business with Ethiopeans (South Ethiopia is huge) and South Sudan - already land acquisation has been done from LAMU all the way to South Sudan border - this will be huge corridor for a highway, pipeline and all amenities - we are spending 23B dollars here to build cities, port, oil & minning industry.

LAMU as we speak is ready for business..

Here are 21 shipping lines - inspecting the port. Maeserk is among the first one to make a port of call soon.
oday senior representatives of over 20 shipping lines were hosted by the @lapsset Director General and taken on a tour of Lamu Port. Shipping lines have expressed satisfaction in the preparedness of the Port for business.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG6qcB5WoAEk-S2.jpg


And Tullow were also in LAMU to check the port - we are expecting to ship 80,000 barrels daily as a start.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG5fXNnW4AED3__.jpg

Kazikazi:
Just let the Ethiopians go where their heart desires. They have made peace with Eritrea! PM abiy received Nobel Peace prize for that. Again they have bought stakes in Djibouti and Somalia's ports.The matter of the fact is Ethiopia is out..for good.South Sudan is a very small economy.Its less than 5b.You can't build a big port by depending on south Sudan.

LAMU as we speak isn't ready.
No connecting roads to Lamu. No railway to Lamu. How can you have a modern port without proper connection with railway network? Where did you saw a big port without railway system in place?

Abohboy:
Here is the image

mtisTheQubit:
OK your country is very expensive for a common Guy. .I checked your minimum wage per day and it $1.94 per day to change in 2020 to $2.16.
Now in Kenya the offitial minimum wage per day is kshs 700..that's like $7.00. Even the united official one is $5.00.
Even with that I don't think one can live comfortable in Acrra ..it's like you guys have ths elite thingy going...just saying

Kazikazi:
You are the same guy who couldn't grasp about silicates when I was talking some engineering stuff of refractories. Don't come back to save face by trying to laugh like a hyena

Abohboy:
Not technology but more like how things look like buildings that are made for specific purposes have a certain design to tell you that or pattern or some words in a native language and everyone is wearing traditional clothes and the buildings have architectural designs from Africa

Then the houses are made from red clay and mud which saves a lot of money blbecause it naturally cools and insulates houses

Mkenya2019:
Ethiopia is huge country - like Tanzania - and will need several ports - the distance from Adis Abab to Moyale is 700kms - the distance from Lamu to Moyale...is about 700kms.

Now imagine if any one in Southern Ethiopia want to ship something...from Eritrea (Asmara) to Adis Abab is 1,500kms. The add another say 300-700Kms - so basically on average to ship something from Asmara to Southern Ethiopia is 2,000Kms.From port of Djibouti to Adis is 900kms. Then add another 500. Roughly 1,500kms for any southern ethiopean company to ship.

That makes LAMU with roughly 1000kms to most of Southern Ethiopia the best option.

So LAMU port make economic sense for Southern Ethiopia - it's near the border. The road btw Lamu to Isiolo is being built. Isiolo to Moyale is already built.South Sudan will grow - they have oil. They just need peace.

Here is their ambassador in Lamu last month
The Ambassador appreciated the commitment of the government of Kenya and pledged support & commitment of The Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia in realizing the #LAPSSET projects to expedite regional growth.

"I was present on March 2nd, 2012 when this project was launched by the 3 partner states' Leaders & I appreciate that #LAPSSET is no longer a dream but a reality" Ambassador Meles Alem of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFMgr1pWsAIEPGN.jpg

NairobiWalker:
I gave you a beating on the silicates topic, I wonder why you keep bringing it up. Again, I told you that's not engineering. Understand what engineering is first before you try talking about it.

Kazikazi:
You are just forcing me to accept unfeasible Lamu port to be feasible!
Dude, Lamu is too far from any Ethiopian city or town!
From Dolo in Ethiopia to Mogadishu port via luug is much more shorter than Moyale to Lamu. Dolo bay to Mogadishu is about 400kms only! That is the reason why the Ethiopians have taken stake in Somalia's port.
Your Lamu is too far,too expensive for Ethiopia to access. The only good explanations for Ethiopians to consider a Lamu port is just they will use it for emergency in case there is storms in other neighboring ports

Mkenya2019:
Ethiopia is huge country - like Tanzania - and will need several ports - the distance from Adis Abab to Moyale is 700kms - the distance from Lamu to Moyale...is about 700kms.

Now imagine if any one in Southern Ethiopia want to ship something...from Eritrea (Asmara) to Adis Abab is 1,500kms. The add another say 300-700Kms - so basically on average to ship something from Asmara to Southern Ethiopia is 2,000Kms.From port of Djibouti to Adis is 900kms. Then add another 500. Roughly 1,500kms for any southern ethiopean company to ship.

That makes LAMU with roughly 1000kms to most of Southern Ethiopia the best option.

So LAMU port make economic sense for Southern Ethiopia - it's near the border. The road btw Lamu to Isiolo is being built. Isiolo to Moyale is already built.South Sudan will grow - they have oil. They just need peace.

Here is their ambassador in Lamu last month
The Ambassador appreciated the commitment of the government of Kenya and pledged support & commitment of The Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia in realizing the #LAPSSET projects to expedite regional growth.

"I was present on March 2nd, 2012 when this project was launched by the 3 partner states' Leaders & I appreciate that #LAPSSET is no longer a dream but a reality" Ambassador Meles Alem of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFMgr1pWsAIEPGN.jpg

Abohboy:
You see this is where I got the funded by development bank of South afirfa and a private Chinese company

Kazikazi:
That is chemical engineering. Should I teach u more about that complex engineering stuff?

Mkenya2019:
How did I force you? Or the poor grasp of English coming to bite again?

Ethiopia is a huge country - Asmara and Sudan port make sense for northern ethiopia. Central Ethiopia (Addis Ababa) & Eastern Ethiopia make sense to use Djiboutti and Somaliland ports (Hergeissa). Now the southern Ethiopia - and there are many towns - make sense to use LAMU.For example - from industrial city of Hawassa - all the way to Moyale - will find Lamu port very competitive. It will be max of 1,200kms to LAMU port - about same distance from btw Nairobi & Kampala...so if Ugandans find Mombasa competitive...Ethiopeans in Southern region will find LAMU equally good for business.

I know you're envious as we deepen our relationship with Ethiopia and dump your lazy arse .

First we are going to buy 400Mws of their cheap hydros - and they are going to use LAMU port.

We are nearly done building the infrastructure for both export of power and the road network. Eventually we will build a railway network from LAMU to both Ethiopean and Sudan border.

We are going to see lot more trade, tourism and travel btw Kenya and Ethiopia. It's already starting to happen after Isiolo - Moyale road was completed. The plan is to build expressway from Nairobi to Isiolo in near future. Nairobi to Nyeri is already ready to start.

Pray for your maize & beans farmers - because Kenyans are going to be buying a lot of Ethiopian cereals.

Abohboy:
You can see which countries are going to be leading Africa and I am loving all of this news of new ports and railways Cameroon canceled their port because of lack of funding so now they are looking at Nigeria for the bakasi deep seaport which is very close to Cameroon and when the coastal rail line is complete it will be extended to Benin and Cameroon

Who just may start using our ports and buying our goods because well ours is better same case for Kenya as they as more people will use their ports because it is faster more efficient and much larger creating Kenya a lot of money

I did a bit of research and the Lamu port is much bigger than the lekki and the bakasi deep seaports Lamy will handle 25 million TEUs whilst lekki will handle 10 million TEUs and bakasi will also handle 10 million TEUs

Lamu is a massive project and I am sorry to say kazi it seems extremely feasible for people on Malawi, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and some parts of Ethiopia to start using lamu port for their imports

Mkenya2019:
Yes there have to be massive investment to bridge the infrastructure deficit in Africa. Africa Dev Bank is doing a good job. But what especially need to happen is for intra-africa trade to improve. Africa Free Trade needs to happen. Nigeria need to stop blockade their borders and deal with the smugglers.

As for KaziKazi he is just as usual - envious - otherwise their Dar Port is targetting countries that are further away than LAMU - Ethiopia. From Dar to Kigali in Rwanda or Bujumbura in Burundi or Lusaka Zambia or Lilongwe in Malawi or Kampala...you're talking minimum of 1,500kms - to 2,000kms (Zambia) - and probably further for DRC Congo.

Now LAMU to Ethiopia is just about 1,000kms. How cannot not be feasible? First we will grow the transshipment business, then get oil tankers to Lamu and eventually get Ethiopia & South Sudan using the port.

We need massive infrastructure investment in Africa - railway, highways and airlines - should be cross cutting countries - to boost intra-africa trade and travel - and improve the economy - rather than trying to trade with countries 10,000 kms away.

Kazikazi:
You are just forcing me to accept unfeasible Lamu port to be feasible!
Dude, Lamu is too far from any Ethiopian city or town!
From Dolo in Ethiopia to Mogadishu port via luug is much more shorter than Moyale to Lamu. Dolo bay to Mogadishu is about 400kms only! That is the reason why the Ethiopians have taken stake in Somalia's port.
Your Lamu is too far,too expensive for Ethiopia to access. The only good explanations for Ethiopians to consider a Lamu port is just they will use it for emergency in case there is storms in other neighboring ports

TayserMahri:
Why do the northern Tanzanians use Mombasa port? Dont they have ports? The answer to that question should answer why southern Ethiopians will use Lamu port. Just two days ago it was reported that 9 cargo vessels were in the high seas off your coast due to clogging at the relatively inefficient Dar es salaam port, some of the ships had reportedly been waiting for weeks (wont tell who leaked this infor but we like to watch whether you are waking your slow lazy bums down there). Im sure you part with painful demurrage fees per annum. On the same day a massive cargo ship had been cleared in record time at Mombasa port (stevedoring in less than 48 hrs!!). Thats one hell of an efficiency. An average of 190 gross moves per hour, top global ports do 200 gross moves per hour. Since last yr (2018) Mombasa port is now doing 48 hours turnaround time for bigger vessels on a consistent basis which has seen a rise in transshipment demand by 131.9 %. Part of this transshipment will be rerouted to Lamu Port which you deride so much, largely because Bagamoyo Port has never seen the light of day. And though I understand your deficiencies upstairs, dont you think sometimes its wise to do some comparative analysis and reflection. Like in the case of port business, dont you think its too unwise for a Tanzanian to purport to advise a Kenyan on the same given that your Biggest port which is in your largest city processes only about 60 % of Kenya's biggest port which is in Kenya's second biggest city? Who between the two would know better?

Mkenya2019:
Mombasa port have overtaken Lagos port complex in cargo throughput. I think Lagos is down to 1.2M TEUS a year while Mombasa is doing 1.3M TEUS (about 33m metric tonnes). Mombasa does twice Dar Port. Durban does 2.7M.

As for Lekki deap seaport - it will not see the light of the day without FUNDING. And that can only happen when oil price goes back to 100 dollars (never going to happen).Lekki was suppose to be operation last year - but construction is yet to start.

Now LAMU already knocked down 3 out of 32 berths - built in record 2-3yrs.

Mkenya2019:
Start a thread Nigeria versus Japan - and see how far it goes.

Mkenya2019:
Do more research please. LAMU PORT IS WHOLLY FINANCED by Kenya Gov. It being built by Chinese company but funded by Kenya gov. Lekki deep sea is not happening. When it happens you'll have pictures...not google maps of some tiny structures.

Abohboy:
I personally search it and went to the kpa (Kenyan ports authority) website and it said it is majority funded by the south African development bank and a private Chinese company whilst the small 10% is for the French, British stakeholders and the Kenyan government

Abohboy:
I swear things keep on getting better and better the port is going to generate about 561 billion dollars no because Chad and Niger have asked to have their produce delivered through there and the smart taxes and concessions will provide over 561 billion in revenue and if the government owns 40% of that you get 224 billion dollars every year from it

With the other ports in bakasi and calabar the government will be making half a trillion dollars every year from our ports and through the special economic zones like the textile, technology and industrial ones Nigeria will be creating over 7 million jobs over all

TayserMahri:
Why do the northern Tanzanians use Mombasa port? Dont they have ports? The answer to that question should answer why southern Ethiopians will use Lamu port. Just two days ago it was reported that 9 cargo vessels were in the high seas off your coast due to clogging at the relatively inefficient Dar es salaam port, some of the ships had reportedly been waiting for weeks (wont tell who leaked this infor but we like to watch whether you are waking your slow lazy bums down there). Im sure you part with painful demurrage fees per annum. On the same day a massive cargo ship had been cleared in record time at Mombasa port (stevedoring in less than 48 hrs!!). Thats one hell of an efficiency. An average of 190 gross moves per hour, top global ports do 200 gross moves per hour. Since last yr (2018) Mombasa port is now doing 48 hours turnaround time for bigger vessels on a consistent basis which has seen a rise in transshipment demand by 131.9 %. Part of this transshipment will be rerouted to Lamu Port which you deride so much, largely because Bagamoyo Port has never seen the light of day. And though I understand your deficiencies upstairs, dont you think sometimes its wise to do some comparative analysis and reflection. Like in the case of port business, dont you think its too unwise for a Tanzanian to purport to advise a Kenyan on the same given that your Biggest port which is in your largest city processes only about 60 % of Kenya's biggest port which is in Kenya's second biggest city? Who between the two would know better?

Mkenya2019:
Dreamland. 561 Billion dollars That port will not be completed in next 10yrs. That will be another Ibandan-Lagos expressway or Ajakouta steel mill or name any public project in Nigeria -