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Abohboy:
We produce 20 000MW but the transmission cannot handle it so we have to upgrade our transmission lines than by 2023 we will be producing over 70 000MW of power

12000mw is installed capacity but that is theoritical..the best you ever did was 6000mw I think..but now you're doing even 2,500MW

Abohboy:
Repacked into local bags? How does that make any sense every single time someone has tried to repack rice they have been arrested in the first one month of the border closure they repacked local rice into foreign bags but they were arrested over 50 people now no one is willing to try and people are enjoying Nigerian rice what can you do and now 75kg bag will be 9000N and 50kg will be 7500 whilst 25 kg back will be just 3000N compared to before the border closure where foreign rice 75kg bag was selling at 22 000N but it is bad news

Tall stories.Thailand are not crying yet.

Abohboy:
We produce 20 000MW but the transmission cannot handle it so we have to upgrade our transmission lines than by 2023 we will be producing over 70 000MW of power

cant....the infrastructure is just not their to deliver....
i dont even understand how nigerians only care about buildin power plants but dont care about deliverin the generated power....

it simply baffles me even till today....

Abohboy:
Well that was Bloomberg who did not hear the news that they had signed a contract with a Nigerian university who made a new seedling of tomato that grows much quicker and dangote says it will be back online at the start of next year stop trying to argue about Nigeria anything you know I know

Back online at start of next year..so typical

rvp2018:
12000mw is installed capacity but that is theoritical..the best you ever did was 6000mw I think..but now you're doing even 2,500MW

who ask you....??

stfu....now you kenyan svckers sabi nigeria betta pass nigerians or what....??

Abohboy:
Please educate them on how skyscrapers do not mean development and how Kenya is not better than South Africa, Nigeria or Egypt

Just another notice if you want proper stats go to wawamu stats on YouTube they have very interesting stats on many different things including economies check them out so than you can see who the largest economy in Africa is.

do they even have skyacrapers as many as Naija and SA has?

rvp2018:
Any change in urban planning laws or what do you mean focus on? Property developers will build depending on supply and demand..and of course gov approval.Youre not building because there is no demand for office space because the economy is sick.India and China are building them..coz their economy is booming.Europe have plateue but are developed..there is no crazy demand for office space and they can afford to restrict heights & etc..but South Africa is caught in the middle..it's not Europe..

There is no massive demand for all of those shopping malls or skyscrapers in Kenya and most of the time these developments are not helping the poor

rvp2018:
all dreams are valid.where is Nigeria rice...consumers are asking now after blockade of the border

Nonsense..since the border closure I have never sited any foreign rice...This is yet another way you use to massage your fingers..you are delusional

Abohboy:
That is why i said upgrading of transmission I never once mentioned creating new power plants did I jus said upgrading and construction transmission lines and transformers but now you are putting words in my mouth and the peak production is 7000MW get it right

Link to peak production of 7000mw..we know your transmission crashes at 3000mw

rvp2018:
12000mw is installed capacity but that is theoritical..the best you ever did was 6000mw I think..but now you're doing even 2,500MW

The best we did was 8000 and now the power hovers around 6000MW on most days

samorobo:
Nonsense..since the border closure I have never sited any foreign rice...This is yet another way you use to massage your fingers..you are delusional

And your ancedotal evidence is worth how much naira

pacretus:
stfumf. You keep shouting oil. Why were you kiberans happy when you managed to get few barrels.?

Nigeria has a population that is thriving, young and underutilized. If your brain is functional, think of how well the economy will grow in the next few years.
Telecom
Agribusiness
Manufacturing
Mining and other activities.

Help me tell rvp to cry me a River...we are going gold mining next year alongside steel production.....
Rvp kiss my ass you can't hate a blessed nation filled with resources that can provide fast wealth

pacretus:
stfumf. You keep shouting oil. Why were you kiberans happy when you managed to get few barrels.?

Nigeria has a population that is thriving, young and underutilized. If your brain is functional, think of how well the economy will grow in the next few years.
Telecom
Agribusiness
Manufacturing
Mining and other activities.

Help me tell rvp to cry me a River...we are going gold mining next year alongside steel production.....
Rvp kiss my ass you can't hate a blessed nation filled with resources that can provide fast wealth

obidark:
cant....the infrastructure is just not their to deliver....
i dont even understand how nigerians only care about buildin power plants but dont care about deliverin the generated power....

it simply baffles me even till today....

What do you mean we are building the infrastructures to handle the power we produce with over 7 billion dollars investment we will have constant power supply it is not wet dreams we are working with Siemens who were able to make 10 000MW in Egypt in 18 months they've done it before and they will do it again

this is kenya of today....

rvp2018:
Back online at start of next year..so typical

Wait do you think tomatoes grow other night that's not how agriculture works I'm sorry it takes time okay

rvp2018:
We have small problem of bear run in our stock market...it will soon recover because we don't depend on oil or minerals...we will certainly overtake Lagos in number of USD millionaires next year..but you know Dangote and 2 other dollar billionaire are responsible for maybe 30b out of the 108B..or you are also that dense

Long talk...Lagos alone is richer than the entire Kenya...try having an economy at $136bn growing at 4% according to world bank then you can comeback so we can discuss....fake GDP blah blah blah

Abohboy:
There is no massive demand for all of those shopping malls or skyscrapers in Kenya and most of the time these developments are not helping the poor

When private developers stop building them we will let you know...they are staking their money so understand more about effective demand than you know

obidark:
‘An indictment of South Africa’: whites-only town Orania is booming

The western corporate media has had it in for White Afrikaners for decades now. That’s because they were not only disinclined to follow the British Empire’s plans for southern Africa, they were also openly hostile to the corporate culture’s plans for the region.
Whereas the Boers were farmers, both the Rothschild-backed Anglo-American and De Beers corporations controlled most of South Africa’s vast mineral wealth, or at least they did during the apartheid era. During those years both corporations were instrumental in securing Mandela’s release from prison and thereafter they helped the ANC’s ascent to power. Although, of course, the objective was not to improve the lot of poor South Africans but to ensure they continued to dominate the country’s lucrative mining sector.
Even Ronnie Kasrils, an ANC activist and friend of Mandela, admitted that the Party leaders had sold Black South Africans “down the river” in their deals with the mining giants.
None of this is mentioned in the following Guardian report. It also makes one other crucial omission. Violent crime is now endemic in South Africa with many residents ready to emigrate because of the appalling rates of murder and assault. Around 57 people are murdered every day in South Africa, making it one of world’s most dangerous countries, and murder and rape rates are climbing.
In contrast, a Black teenage girl was shot and wounded in the leg just outside Orania in 2000, nearly 20 years ago. That’s the one major crime I could find that had been committed in Orania. Contrast that with the 57-58 murders PER DAY in South Africa and you can begin to grasp why the White Afrikaners first implemented the policy of apartheid.
Crucially, the following report makes absolutely no mention of South Africa’s appalling rates of violent crime. Nor does it mention the near absence of violent crime in Orania. The omission is significant and, we suspect, deliberate because the growth of violent crime in South Africa has undoubtedly contributed directly to the growth of Orania.
Not that the Guardian would say so. It is too busy spouting liberal clichés to state the obvious. Ed.
‘An indictment of South Africa’: whites-only town Orania is booming
Dennis Webster in Orania – The Guardian Oct 24, 2019

October in Orania can be charming. When the sun sets, long ribbons of burnt orange settle on the horizon. The flies and mosquitoes that come with the summer’s oppressive heat haven’t arrived yet. It is Magdalene Kleynhans’ favourite time of year. “You can sit outside until late into the night,” says the businesswoman, whose family spends much of their time outdoors. Her children fish from the banks of the Orange River whenever they choose. Kleynhans leaves the house unlocked. “It’s a good life. It’s a big privilege.”

But there is much more to this small Northern Cape town than the bucolic ideal painted by Kleynhans. Incredibly, 25 years after the fall of apartheid, Orania is a place for white people only.

Kleynhans runs one of Orania’s biggest enterprises: a call centre whose business is recruiting and retaining members for Solidariteit, a trade union primarily for Afrikaner workers, and Afriforum, a self-styled “civil rights” movement. Afriforum recently met with US president Donald Trump’s administration and Tucker Carlson of Fox News to tell them that Afrikaners are facing a widely discredited genocide. Both have made extensive investments in Orania’s construction boom.
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Actually, claims about the levels of violent crime in South Africa have NOT been discredited. Despite the Guardian’s reference to “widely discredited genocide”, the South African government itself now acknowledges that the country is turning into a “war zone”.
Rising crime, much of it targeting white farmers, also accounts for the mass exodus of Afrikaner farmers from South Africa to southern Russia.
Once again this salient point is entirely unmentioned by the Guardian. White Boer farmers are leaving South Africa, just as Rhodesian farmers once left Zimbabwe, because violence and government incompetence is forcing them to. Indeed, events in South Africa are almost an exact replay of what happened in Rhodesia: where the advent of majority rule turned what was once called ‘Africa’s bread-basket’ into a barren dustbowl.
Instead of highlighting this related fact, the Guardian obscures the truth of the matter. Making this article an example of how journalism is being used as a means of propaganda. Ed.
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Oranians claim the town is a cultural project, not a racial one. Only Afrikaners are allowed to live and work there to preserve Afrikaner culture, the argument goes.

The reality, however, is a disquieting and entirely white town, littered with old apartheid flags and monuments to the architects of segregation. While there are no rules preventing black people from visiting, those who live nearby fear they would be met with violence.

The town has faced numerous calls for it to be broken up over the years, with prominent author and advocate Tembeka Ngcukaitobi arguing its existence violates South Africa’s successful dismantling of racial segregation. “Orania,” he says, “represents downright hostility to the idea of a single, united, non-racial country.”
Large-scale eviction

Orania was created in 1991, a year after Nelson Mandela’s release from Robben Island, and three years before the country’s first democratic election.

Set among lush pecan nut orchards in the otherwise arid Karoo, it was set-up as an Afrikaner-only hamlet, not dissimilar from the ethnic Bantustans established under former prime minister, Hendrik Verwoerd, often dubbed the “architect of apartheid”.

By the end of the 1980s, the probability of losing control had already occurred to many Afrikaners, with some believing that impending democracy posed an existential threat to the white Afrikaans way of life. A few felt protecting that required becoming a demographic majority somewhere, rather than remaining a minority everywhere.

So a small group of Afrikaners – Verwoerd’s daughter and son-in-law, Carel Boshoff, among them – purchased a strip of land on the southern banks of the Orange River, and went about setting up a volkstaat, or independent homeland, where Afrikaners would decide their own affairs.

Orania’s founders did not settle on virgin territory, but on the remains of a half-realised 1960s project to build canals and dams along the Orange River. A community of 500 poor black and mixed-race squatters who had made their homes in the buildings left behind by the project stood between the new owners and their whites-only vision.

Speaking to the community after the purchase, Boshoff reportedly said he “did not buy a bus with passengers”. What followed, according to Cambridge historian Edward Cavanagh’s history of land rights on the Orange River, was one of the last large-scale evictions under apartheid. It was carried out by the future residents of Orania, with the assistance of beatings, pistol whippings and dogs.
The population has doubled

After three decades as a quiet backwater, Orania is booming. Its population – currently around 1,700 – has doubled over the last seven years. The most recent census estimates growth of more than 10% a year, outstripping most comparable rural towns and more, proportionally, than South Africa’s biggest cities.

Population growth means a flourishing housing market and construction industry. Neat suburban homes have been joined by new apartment blocks and walkups which sell for as much as R1.5 million (£80,000), putting them on par with comparable homes in Johannesburg. There is an industrial zone of brick and aluminium factories which sell their products around South Africa. China buys most of the pecan nuts.

The growth shows no signs of slowing. A sewage works meant to accommodate 10,000 future residents is in the pipeline. There are designs to transform the town’s humble technical training facility – where many of the skills driving the town’s new construction were taught – into a university.

Not a single brick has been laid by a black worker. In a reverse of the usual situation in South Africa, all low-paying work in Orania – from keeping the town’s gardens to packing the shelves in its grocery stores – is performed by hard-up white Afrikaners. It is increasing numbers of poor labourers, whose tenancy is often less secure and who either rent or rely on subsidies from Orania’s cooperative bank, who are largely behind the town’s growing population.

Orania is owned by the Vluytjeskraal Aandeleblok (Vluytjeskraal Share Block) company which, together with a series of internally elected bodies, is responsible for the town’s municipal decision making.

People who want to live in Orania buy shares in the Vluytjeskraal Aandeleblok, instead of freehold. The screening of prospective shareholders allows for tight control. Buyers undergo extensive vetting, central to which is their fidelity to Afrikaans language and culture, a commitment to employing only white Afrikaners, and a string of conservative Christian undertakings. Unmarried couples, for instance, cannot live together.

The town exists at the mercy of the South African constitution. In the early 2000s, a planned remapping of boundaries that would have brought Orania under the control of a democratically elected municipality appeared to spell the end, but the town successfully appealed to the high court using the constitutional rights of the country’s minority cultural groups.
Pursued and harassed

A quarter of a century after the end of apartheid, black people are restricted to using the filling station on the edge of Orania. Benjamin Khumalo* is one of them.

The 55-year-old and his wife, who have lived on a small nearby plot since the 1980s, were once pursued and harassed by a pickup truck covered with Orania stickers when walking home after an evening with friends. “Now you must run,” he urged his wife, pushing her through a fence. “I’ll be behind you.”

Khumalo still remembers when Orania was a home for black families. The guns carried on the hips of many Oranians, however, have been enough to convince him never to enter the town again. “They will hurt you,” he says. “There is nothing we can do.”

Unsurprisingly, Orania’s white residents have a different take. The town’s doctor, Philip Nothnagel, describes South African cities as “warzones”. He lived in the country’s administrative capital, Pretoria, before he moved to Orania. The 10 months since have been the best of his life, he says.

“It’s the first time in history that a country has been established without a war,” he adds, sporting a Lincolnesque beard after he dressed up as Paul Kruger during recent celebrations of the Boer hero. “It’s like boere [white Afrikaners] Disneyland. Except you never have to go home.”

The spectre of Verwoerd, the architect of apartheid, is difficult to escape. His portrait and bust seem to be around every corner. His wife, Betsie, is buried in the town, and her old home has been converted into a Verwoerd museum.

His grandson Carel Boshoff junior is a former leader of the Orania Movement, which first proposed the idea of Orania in the 1980s. Boshoff junior is perhaps one of the more unlikely fans of the pianist Abdullah Ibrahim, whose music plays on a laptop in his office.

Like his parents and grandparents, Boshoff fears white Afrikaners face a real threat of “being wiped out”, either through violence or what he calls “amalgamation”. He believes the recent expansion of Orania is just the start.

“We are something like the phoenix in the ashes,” he says. “The questions to which Orania is the answer are so fundamental to the structure of South African society that you can’t express and affirm your Afrikaner identity without coming to the conclusion of a bigger Orania.”
Offended by Orania

Orania has continued largely uncontested since its victorious appeal to the high court in the early 2000s. The ANC government does not appear to be considering an appeal of the high court decision. Zamani Saul, head of the ANC-run Northern Cape government, has said an inquiry into Orania’s legal status is yet to be concluded.

For Ngcukaitobi, the author, Orania “represents the reversal of the constitutional project of national building.” The rights that underpinned the town’s high court challenge against the remapping are not unlimited, he says. Anyone who cares about South Africa “would rightly be offended by what Orania represents, which is an enduring legacy of racial mobilisation”.

Orapeleng Moraladi, Northern Cape secretary of the Congress of South African Trade Unions, blames the town’s continued existence on the courts, an uncooperative Orania leadership, and a lack of political will from the ANC. “[The town] is like embracing an apartheid system within a democratic state,” he says. “Orania is an indictment of the government of South Africa.”

Sorry help me summarise it...what does it says

samorobo:
Long talk...Lagos alone is richer than the entire Kenya...try having an economy at $136bn growing at 4% according to world bank then you can comeback so we can discuss....fake GDP blah blah blah

Fake GDP don't impress nobody

rvp2018:
When private developers stop building them we will let you know...they are staking their money so understand more about effective demand than you know

Stop decieving yourself, you have a dwindling real estate sector .....

Abohboy:
Wait do you think tomatoes grow other night that's not how agriculture works I'm sorry it takes time okay

Tomato's take 3-4 months.Just continue importing tomato paste.This is a businesses Kenyans need to get into.

rvp2018:
Fake GDP don't impress nobody

Tell that to the juggernauts around the world that says otherwise.....

samorobo:
Long talk...Lagos alone is richer than the entire Kenya...try having an economy at $136bn growing at 4% according to world bank then you can comeback so we can discuss....fake GDP blah blah blah

they cant even beat only lagos,na the ol nigeria they wan defeat....

what about,oyo,enugu,abuja....??

lagos is something else in africa....

even we nigerians are fighting over who owns lagos....!!

who dey claim nairobi....??

samorobo:
Tell that to the juggernauts around the world that says otherwise.....

VW group and other multinational who bought the lie, hook, line and sinker are regretting that.Ask them.They run to Ghana.

rvp2018:
When Benin and Cameron stop importing rice they cannot possibly consume from Asia I will believe it

They can continue importation but it is not entering Nigeria

obidark:
they cant even beat only lagos,na the ol nigeria they wan defeat....

what about,oyo,enugu,abuja....??

lagos is something else in africa....

even we nigerians are fighting over who owns lagos....!!

who dey claim nairobi....??

Plot owners own a city..not Yoruba or Igbo.Youre just backward.

Abohboy:
No it won't you don't even have any dollar billionaires you think too highly of your country and do not use facts or proper information you simply guess and believe any single source that says something good about Kenya regardless of who wrote it

Lagos is going to build a lot of dollar millionaires with lekki let me tell you this Lagos is going to expand into the rest of it's landmass but this time they have made a rigorous masterplan for this area with another port which will be more efficient and much better, a railway, good roads and finally real estate will be making a lot of jobs for people with all the vast land someone has to own it eh and sell it once the price goes up due to the port and free trade zone they will quickly become millionaires and live the good life

Please compare yourself to your own friends not Nigeria we are going to progress on unprecedented levels and we are not going to be on level with Africa we will not continue saying largest economy in the Africa but rather one of the largest economies in the world and the only African country in the top 15 place

Just so you know with all forecasts even when Nigeria was in it's recession people predicted that by 2050 Nigeria would be the world's 13th largest economy with Ethiopia next at 14th then south Africa at 20, Egypt at 22nd and DRC at 25 there was no Kenya so please do not think way too highly of yourself because frankly we are not your mate

they currently do not have dollar billioanires. the average Nigerian is richer than the average Kenyan, yet, they think we have not done anything with our oil wealth. lol

rvp2018:
VW group and other multinational who bought the lie, hook, line and sinker are regretting that.Ask them.They run to Ghana.

Font be silly. They didn't leave because of the nonsense you are Implying...They left becaythe ease of doing business in Ghana in better than ease of doing business in Nigeria...well that is gradually changing

samorobo:
They can continue importation but it is not entering Nigeria

Because you have Trump wall..dude go fight Boko Haram and leave rice smugglers to help drive the cost of living down for 100m desperately poor Nigerians.Do you know a small increase in food inflation drives so many not so poor Nigerians to poverty.So you can brag about non existent local rice production

rvp2018:
Plot owners own a city..not Yoruba or Igbo.Youre just backward.

go f yourself....

rvp2018:
JSE is huge.. Nigeria stock exchange is about twice Nairobi and Dangote companies are responsible for nearly half of the market cap

And is Dangote companies running the oil industry.... nonsense