Eruditor:


More often but he has won less? It means his style is not as successful.

I did not say LUCK is the only reason people don't win. I said sometimes luck is the reason someone like Pep did not win. Last season against Tottenham is an example.



Sometimes, you'd be making sense then you'd remember that you have to pander to your CFC fanbase then you'd veer off.

A coach sets-up a system to maximise the individual talents of his players. For e.g Messi's individual brilliance is still there yet EV is not winning UCLs or trebles. Why? because his system is not fully maximizing the potential of all the players at his disposal.

Fabinho's goal yesterday is it not individual brilliance?

I agree a coach needs to set up his system to maximize players talents. EV’s tactical onus cannot be compared to Pep’s.

I think you are becoming emotional too. I never undermined Peps brilliance. My stance has been that Pep is rigid; sets up his team in a particular fashion and when things go south, would require an individual brilliance to see it through.

So, if the individual talented players are marked all through and Peps tactics fail to work, how would he see off teams that matches his team toe to toe?

raumdeuter:
That was the chorus of EPL fans on this forum. And I have quoted at least 4 of them in the past who said it

Ferguson managed Manchester United a club richer than Barcelona Bayern and Man City. Fergie was there breaking transfer fees record for fun

Pallister Stam and Rio were most expensive defenders

Manchester United was one club. Can you name another club he managed where he was expected to win UCL?

SkimpleD:
So, if the individual talented players are marked all through and Peps tactics fail to work, how would he see off teams that matches his team toe to toe?

Can you answer the quoted question you asked and change the name of the coach from Pep to any other coach

E.g

So, if the individual talented players are marked all through and Zidanes/Contes/ Mourinhos/Klopps tactics fail to work, how would he see off teams that matches his team toe to toe?

SkimpleD:

Manchester United was one club. Can you name another club he managed where he was expected to win UCL?

That meant Ferguson had stability in the richest club and with virtually no rival domestically for half of his tenure and could only win 2 CL titles in 20yrs

That is a terrible record

Its like Pep coaching the richest team in Europe and his next biggest rival in the league is Arsenal.

SkimpleD:

I agree a coach needs to set up his system to maximize players talents. EV’s tactical onus cannot be compared to Pep’s.

I think you are becoming emotional too. I never undermined Peps brilliance. My stance has been that Pep is rigid; sets up his team in a particular fashion and when things go south, would require an individual brilliance to see it through.

lol. Every manager does that. Only difference is Pep's style more often than EVERY OTHER MANAGER's does NOT rely on moments of individual brilliance for his team to be bailed out. They beat Tottenham 4-3 and beat Monaco 5-3. If VAR was being rightly used, then City should have lost 2-1 to LFC first leg and then led 2-0 second leg before half time.

So, if the individual talented players are marked all through and Peps tactics fail to work, how would he see off teams that matches his team toe to toe?

I don't know the game where his talented players were marked all through especially when you look at the stats of the game. Do you think Klopp set up for City to have all that possession, corners etc?

raumdeuter:


That meant Ferguson had stability in the richest club and with virtually no rival domestically for half of his tenure and could only win 2 CL titles in 20yrs

That is a terrible record

Its like Pep coaching the richest team in Europe and his next biggest rival in the league is Arsenal.

Are you making excuses for Pep now?

raumdeuter:


Can you answer the quoted question you asked and change the name of the coach from Pep to any other coach

E.g

So, if the individual talented players are marked all through and Zidanes/Contes/ Mourinhos/Klopps tactics fail to work, how would he see off teams that matches his team toe to toe?

The Key word in my discourse with erudi.tor was ‘Pep’s rigid tactics’.

For once, argue with a sane mind.

raumdeuter:


If you didnt watch most of fergusons era, some of us did, Fergusons teams were better than any team in England that was why he could win the league easily without breaking sweat. when he is tired he will allow Wenger to win one

I was talking about Europe...

SkimpleD:

Are you making excuses for Pep now?

The Key word in my discourse with erudi.tor was ‘Pep’s rigid tactics’.

For once, argue with a sane mind.

Making excuses for Pep? How can I make excuses for someone who shat on your favourite league.

If rigid tactics was the problem, the coaches with unrigid tactics what have they won?

You claimed Pep has not been winning because he is rigid, at least we should see what those who are not rigid are winning

if someone claimed you are not tall only because you don't eat beans, what will be the next logical question? The people eating beans are they taller?

obainojazz:
I was talking about Europe...

In Europe he won the CL two times in 20yrs while managing the biggest and richest team where he had absolute control and was breaking transfer fee records for fun

Eruditor:


lol. Every manager does that. Only difference is Pep's style more often than EVERY OTHER MANAGER's does NOT rely on moments of individual brilliance for his team to be bailed out. They beat Tottenham 4-3 and beat Monaco 5-3. If VAR was being rightly used, then City should have lost 2-1 to LFC first leg and then led 2-0 second leg before half time.



I don't know the game where his talented players were marked all through especially when you look at the stats of the game. Do you think Klopp set up for City to have all that possession, corners etc?

I think so. From the first minute, Klopp’s fullbacks had already started with long balls to the attackers in a bid to by pass City’s midfield and it worked well resulting in two quick goals. Even the third goal was also a cross into the City defence. Klopps’ aim was to score as many goals as possible before City gained control of the match.

Only Sterling I think had much of the ball and he was well isolated from the rest of the attackers too. Let’s not forget that Firmino and Manè missed some begging chances also.

Let’s let it slide though. Pep is a brilliant manager, I just feel he needs to tweak and be flexible sometimes with his tactics to see through difficult matches.

raumdeuter:


Making excuses for Pep? How can I make excuses for someone who shat on your favourite league.

If rigid tactics was the problem, the coaches with unrigid tactics what have they won?

You claimed Pep has not been winning because he is rigid, at least we should see what those who are not rigid are winning

if someone claimed you are not tall only because you don't eat beans, what will be the next logical question? The people eating beans are they taller?

Why does it sound like you are still pained from yesterday’s match? Tears are just littered all over this post.

When you are emotionally stable, we go discuss.

SkimpleD:

Why does it sound like you are still pained from yesterday’s match? Tears are just littered all over this post.
When you are emotionally stable, we go discuss.

Seems you have been found out on logic once more and you cannot cope

Pep is rigid, thats why he isnt winning, how are the unrigid coaches faring? Are they winning?

Skimple does not eat beans thats why he isnt tall, the people eating beans day and night, are they tall?

Simple logic but the shekpite in you must show

raumdeuter:


Seems you have been found out on logic once more and you cannot cope

Pep is rigid, thats why he isnt winning, how are the unrigid coaches faring? Are they winning?

Skimple does not eat beans thats why he isnt tall, the people eating beans day and night, are they tall?

Simple logic but the shekpite in you must show

Egbon, why you never still wan get sense na. Can you quote where I said the bolded?

You always let your emotions affect your hands while typing.

Pep is a good coach and his tactics have been working fine for him but when he meets a team whose tactics are ‘unorthodox’ and matches his team toe to toe, he should bow and lose?

Eruditor:


Call Mourinho a fraud first for his last 2 seasons in United.

Call Hazard a fraud for his time so far in RM.

Then we can discuss.

Mou had passed the acid test by winning the ucl twice with different set of players, without Ronaldo or Messi. When will Fraudiola achieve same without Messi?

Eruditor:


More often but he has won less? It means his style is not as successful.

I did not say LUCK is the only reason people don't win. I said sometimes luck is the reason someone like Pep did not win. Last season against Tottenham is an example.



Sometimes, you'd be making sense then you'd remember that you have to pander to your CFC fanbase then you'd veer off.

A coach sets-up a system to maximise the individual talents of his players. For e.g Messi's individual brilliance is still there yet EV is not winning UCLs or trebles. Why? because his system is not fully maximizing the potential of all the players at his disposal.

Fabinho's goal yesterday is it not individual brilliance?

Fraudiola left Messi, Messi won UCL.

Fraudiola left Messi, Fraudiola never won UCL.

Messi is Fraudiola's lord and saviour.

Eruditor:


I know you guys don't know how to think. And it is some of you that will question the intelligence of someone you will probably greet with 2 hands if met in person.

Squad refers to every player on the roster. Unlike some liars here who will downplay their squad to make excuses for losses. I am on record saying that City squad is the best and in a long run it will be evident.

I am not hoping and praying for anything. I warned you guys last season after CFC best City 2-0. I told you what was coming. The Napolis of this world that have beat Liverpool on their home grounds are not better than City. That game you watched yesterday could easily have been 3-3 without any penalties. Don't let hatred consume you. If City don't beat Liverpool at the Etihad this season. I will eat my hand. In fact, when it is close to that time in April, I will predict the scoreline.

Wait! What is your argument? City would win the league or City would beat Liverpool?


My own is you're merely hoping and praying at this stage that Liverpool would slump.


As per your age, take it to the bank man, na Nairaland be this

SkimpleD:

I think so. From the first minute, Klopp’s fullbacks had already started with long balls to the attackers in a bid to by pass City’s midfield and it worked well resulting in two quick goals. Even the third goal was also a cross into the City defence. Klopps’ aim was to score as many goals as possible before City gained control of the match.

Only Sterling I think had much of the ball and he was well isolated from the rest of the attackers too. Let’s not forget that Firmino and Manè missed some begging chances also.

Let’s let it slide though. Pep is a brilliant manager, I just feel he needs to tweak and be flexible sometimes with his tactics to see through difficult matches.

LOL

You are analyzing from final score back to the game. That is already flawed.

First goal was from long range. ZERO tactics. The only tactical thing Liverpool deployed was to use destroyers in midfield to press City midfield and win the ball upfront. In other words, capitalize on mistake. Then plan 2: use long balls not just to bypass the midfield but to minimize the odds of making their own mistakes in their own half.

Were they winning the ball in midfield? No. That is why they were pegged back in their half. Because City were breaking through the press which was causing LFC to use the low block and triple team the wingers Raheem and Bernardo.

Like I said before, Aguero and Walker had great heading chances but were not as clinical as Salah and Mane. That is why I have maintained that they were simply clinical, LFC. Not that Pep's tactics failed.

BikeMan:
Wait! What is your argument? City would win the league or City would beat Liverpool?


My own is you're merely hoping and praying at this stage that Liverpool would slump.


As per your age, take it to the bank man, na Nairaland be this

Who is referring to age? lol.

I am not hoping for Liverpool to slump. I know they will.

I already said Manchester City will win the league and that at the Etihad City will also beat Liverpool.

airmark:


Fraudiola left Messi, Messi won UCL.

Fraudiola left Messi, Fraudiola never won UCL.

Messi is Fraudiola's lord and saviour.

If Messi is the reason, he should win again. Pep won 2.

airmark:


Mou had passed the acid test by winning the ucl twice with different set of players, without Ronaldo or Messi. When will Fraudiola achieve same without Messi?

But he failed with Ronaldo?

So having great players is not the only reason. Thanks.

raumdeuter:
bikeman how was this different from the Trent handball yesterday. Where should Veltman have put his hand

No need for story.

Pic 1: Veltman with his hand by his side before Odoi's shot
Pic 2: Veltman's hand no longer by his side in a bid to obstruct the ball.


This was not a case of "ball to hand", Veltman could have dodged that ball successfully but my man was scared of the outcome.

Eruditor:


Who is referring to age? lol.

I am not hoping for Liverpool to slump. I know they will.

I already said Manchester City will win the league and that at the Etihad City will also beat Liverpool.

Will you eat your hands if Liverpool win this league?

Eruditor:


If Messi is the reason, he should win again. Pep won 2.

Who should win again? Without Messi, Fraudiola is just one of those local coaches.

BikeMan:
Will you eat your hands if Liverpool win this league?

Yes I will. I even put my money as well.

airmark:


Who should win again? Without Messi, Fraudiola is just one of those local coaches.

Messi should win again.

BikeMan:
No need for story.

Pic 1: Veltman with his hand by his side before Odoi's shot
Pic 2: Veltman's hand no longer by his side in a bid to obstruct the ball.


This was not a case of "ball to hand", Veltman could have dodged that ball successfully but my man was scared of the outcome.

So Arnold hand was beside him before and after the shot from Sterling?

Na wa o. This L never finish for Pep fanboys body. I don’t blame them. Even Sterling sef never digest am.

raumdeuter:


You are asking Pep to do what how many people have done in history?

What you call emotions is what I call logic. Pep come and prove yourself in EPL, he has done that. WHy the need for post shifting when you didnt ask him to win the CL

The so called Great Alex Ferguson won 2 CL in his entire career. When are you going to question him for not winning more

But ur asking Hazard to do what how many wingers are doing #hypocrite

raumdeuter:


What flexibility will make VAR not spot Llorente handball goal vs Spurs which condemned him to a loss

Those flexible coaches how many CLs have they won? Pep left Messi 7yrs ago, Shebi Messi is winning the CL every season

At least Messi has one more than Pep could manage in that time

raumdeuter:


No one told Pep to come and win CL, they told him to come and prove himself in EPL and I am sure he has cleared your doubt

pls who are the "they"

But how do you know who told who what

raumdeuter:


Where was Barcelona before Pep took over? Trophyless. Where were these fantastic players doing at Barca before Pep joined? Xavi was on his way out, Messi was a winger barely scoring 20goals. Who were Pique, Busquets etc These players who were trophyless sudenly became stars when Pep took over

Pep came sent out the teams chairmen like Ronaldinho and Deco. Brought a reject Pique and youth team Busquets and won 6 trophies in the next 18 months. That is legendary

Zidane took over the same team who won La decima and won 3 more titles for them. Nice

Ferguson had over 3 decades of coaching he spent 20yrs at Man Utd and could only deliver 2 CL titles. Average

Mourinho coached Ronaldo for 3yrs and delivered 0 CL titles.

because a player was on his way out, doesn't undermine his ability on the ball... Mou did sell KDB and Salah

Barely scoring 20goals, one would think this is not the same player, Ronaldinho referred to as being better than him... Or the same player already turning heads but at games...

Busquets was a player he knew and could trust, he had yaya and other top players for DM and CB positions... Mehn any average CB playing with Puyol will perform ask the players Pep put in CB as makeshift.

What Zidane did has no bench mark for comparison, in fact if anything it make pep look like pop.

Both Zidane and Mou improved their teams which we can't say for pep in UCL.. Taking the best Bayern to trash heap and after making a better man city, still cant do better.

Mind you, this two teams Bayern and City under pep are considered having some of the best players in world football... So no excuse.

City we're winning the league and doing just fine without pep.. And even if he goes they will still do fine.

raumdeuter:


Did they establish Madrid after Pep left Barcelona or why werent they winning again? Did these great players that carried Pep die?

Xavi and Puyol