Angelfrost:


Not a fan of either... But, we both know Messi would easily have the same number, if not more, if he spent most time on the field hanging around the penalty area...

It's all about choice, individuality, and approach to games... One chooses to be a thorough playmaker, and score when he chooses or opportunity comes... The other basically wants all goals to come through him, even to the obsessive point of getting upset if substituted without a goal. Assisting or tracking back to defend or intercept doesn't interest him.

This is what makes both players unique... And what makes your comparisons, ermmm, quite silly.

...and one gets upset if his team-mate scored instead of passing the ball to him!

Crazy!

Obiaksnews:
But same Griezmann was banging in goals when he was at Atl Madrid, what now happened ? Is it not the same opponents he is facing in Barcelona ?

Was Griezman playing as a LWF in Atl. Madrid?

Expert17:




Study ur book, u dey argue Ronaldo n Messi...

WON not worn.....
Olodo

Study ur book, u dey argue Ronaldo n Messi
Spelling teacher, are you not ashame to type this?

sssoulw:
u dey mad

Bro eh... U see this Messi vs Ronaldo arguments, it has no ending because no fan is willing to give up....
Lovers of good football will always prefer Messi who controls the tempo of the game, assist and score goals all by himself ....while Lovers of goals will always prefer CR7 who is ever waiting for Food is ready to tappin & take all the glory, to them after all, football is all about goals

Expert17:



Dats d point...
He s still better Dan ronaldo, he doesn't need national or continent trophies....

No mata how wealthy u are, u can't give birth to ur Father.

Its pointless arguing with u..

jayjay2609:


Give ronaldo the calibre of players messi plays with in argentina, he would give you the world cup... Besides nobody really expected portugal to win the WC, apart from ronaldo and bernando, portugal's team is not that good

hahahaha....youre making a mistake ..the Portuguese team is a more balanced team than the Argentine team...

Give ronaldo the argentine team and they would still lose woefully...without the right coach and player arrangement ronaldo wont win a trophy...the argentine team suffers a lot from lack or midfield and defence...so ronaldo wont achieve jack...

The most recent balanced argentine team was the one that got to the world cup finals in 2014.

Wantedmiller:
And they didn't win?

U must be a penaldo fan hu doesn't know about football. Must Messi win every game?

Kingspin:
ln the mean time, outside goals tell us other C7 attributes during 90minutes

what??
he's a striker,what other attribute should he b exhibiting??

or are u expecting him to keep clean sheets

Ryocaj:
Its pointless arguing with u..

Because u can't accept d truth.....
Bye

bizhop01:

Study ur book, u dey argue Ronaldo n Messi
Spelling teacher, are you not ashame to type this?

Ok

Expert17:


Because u can't accept d truth..... Bye

D truth differs.. It appears ur truth is fallacious 2 me..

bayelsaowei:
hahahaha....youre making a mistake ..the Portuguese team is a more balanced team than the Argentine team...

Give ronaldo the argentine team and they would still lose woefully...without the right coach and player arrangement ronaldo wont win a trophy...the argentine team suffers a lot from lack or midfield and defence...so ronaldo wont achieve jack...

The most recent balanced argentine team was the one that got to the world cup finals in 2014.

80% of Argentine players are d biggest players in their clubs.. they r game changers.. Ronaldo in Argentine team will win d world cup.. Portugal can't stand Argentina in terms of quality.. Only Ronaldo, Silva n Joao Felix r world class.. Nani n Quaresma have faded away.. U can't compare.. Aguero, Higuain, Lautauro Martinez, Messi, Dybala, Banega, Otamendi, Pavon, Di Maria, Icardi, Lamela, Lanzini, Tagliafico,...

I am beginning to get weary of your wrong assertions and inverted facts. One is already sticking out here and calls for immediate rebuttal .Sunday Mba was not clublless in 2013 as he was playing for Warri Wolves. Also do you want to compare nations cup with world cup?

So the summary of your arguments will make me conclude that Messi did not deserve Fifa best player since he didnt score against liverpool at the decisive second leg or at the copa rey final loss to Valencia.Also he didnt deserve 2015 ballon d'ór since he didnt score against Juventus in final. That it was Rakitic.Neymar and Suarez that rescued him. You can see how laughable and jejune you arguments are if you disagree with this my illogical conclusion. Also MESSI had the opportunity to win his the Copa America of 2016 against Chile with the team's fate in his hands,but he kicked the ball into the space.Will you still blame Higuain for his miss? Higuain has the record goals in serie A that same Batistuta plied his trade for many years so he isnt an average player. Even though Batistuta of that era is a more ruthless goal scorer and a beast as number 9. He never got to the world cup finals.

Really let us be honest,you didnt watch Argentina's world cup team of 86 and 90 live.You must have seen them on youtube now.It also appears the memory of the 1994 world cup isn't from emotional engagement of live games as well.

However,I have always enjoyed our debates here as you make your points without insults which is a deviation from many users of this platform.It shows your good upbringing,please keep it up.

eni4real:
Focus on their performances in the world cup tournament and not the club side..
You can't demean players because of their struggles in their clubs.. We are talking about those of them that reach great form in the national team(International tournament) here...
Cannigia was the rocket of the 1990 group.. His disqualification really showed to the world that Maradona doesn't carry the team all by himself afterall.. If he had played in the final and scored a couple of goal, your analysis about the Germans being superior will not exist at all.. You will say, "Maradona layed those goals for him on a plate" .. But with the disqualification, you only focus on the quality of the Germans and not the limitation of Maradona.. You see!!
Replace Buruchaga with Higuain in 1986, Maradona would not win that World cup final.. 5goals, 5assists in previous matches would not make him win the Germans especially when they marked him out of the game!!!

Clubless Luiz Brown?? Sunday Mba was also Clubless when he won the AFCON trophy for Nigeria in 2013

Maradona scored 5goals, 5 assists, so it is a guarantee for winning trophies..?? That is false.. If his teammates did not rise up in the final when it matter most, that tally will be a waste.. Messi had 5goals, 4 assists in Copa America 2016 too but the team lost eventually in the final.. Imagine if Messi teammates also scored 3 goals in the final against Chile..? I hope you can see the difference between Buruchaga and Higuain here?

Give Messi that talented Bastituta group, if they will not win more than 2 World Cups...

Maradona and Pele had better teammates at the peak of thier powers!!!

Ryocaj:
80% of Argentine players are d biggest players in their clubs.. they r game changers.. Ronaldo in Argentine team will win d world cup.. Portugal can't stand Argentina in terms of quality.. Only Ronaldo, Silva n Joao Felix r world class.. Nani n Quaresma have faded away.. U can't compare.. Aguero, Higuain, Lautauro Martinez, Messi, Dybala, Banega, Otamendi, Pavon, Di Maria, Icardi, Lamela, Lanzini, Tagliafico,...

you dont get it..its not about the names of players , its about cohesion and synergy..the Argentine team is over flooded with strikers with little or no mid fielders and defenders.. how do you intend to win a trophy with an unbalanced team..??

Portugal has a better organized defense than argentina and even midfield...

Thank you..

GEEBITE:
I am beginning to get weary of your wrong assertions and inverted facts. One is already sticking out here and calls for immediate rebuttal .Sunday Mba was not clublless in 2013 as he was playing for Warri Wolves. Also do you want to compare nations cup with world cup?

So the summary of your arguments will make me conclude that Messi did not deserve Fifa best player since he didnt score against liverpool at the decisive second leg or at the copa rey final loss to Valencia.Also he didnt deserve 2015 ballon d'ór since he didnt score against Juventus in final. That it was Rakitic.Neymar and Suarez that rescued him. You can see how laughable and jejune you arguments are if you disagree with this my illogical conclusion. Also MESSI had the opportunity to win his the Copa America of 2016 against Chile with the team's fate in his hands,but he kicked the ball into the space.Will you still blame Higuain for his miss? Higuain has the record goals in serie A that same Batistuta plied his trade for many years so he isnt an average player. Even though Batistuta of that era is a more ruthless goal scorer and a beast as number 9. He never got to the world cup finals.

Really let us be honest,you didnt watch Argentina's world cup team of 86 and 90 live.You must have seen them on youtube now.It also appears the memory of the 1994 world cup isn't from emotional engagement of live games as well.

However,I have always enjoyed our debates here as you make your points without insults which is a deviation from many users of this platform.It shows your good upbringing,please keep it up.

Warri wolves is a small team if you compare with the club sides of the Ivorians.. From Didier Drogba, Yaya Toure etc.. These are world class players and Sunday Mba pulled off a great performance even against them.. After the AFCON, he became clubless and no longer relevant in the Super Eagle team... Does that take anything away from his match winning performance in the semi final and final??
It is high time we gave credit to those who make life easy for the superstars.. Without them, the superstars may not win anything despite amassing several stats.. So I still stand on my points concerning Maradona's teammates.. even Pele's teammates.. Nothing like Single handedly unless we mean it literally with Maradona's handball goal..

You mention Messi’s penalty miss in 2016 but you forgot that he is the only scorer of 2015 penalty shoot out among all the Argentines, still he received an undeserved blames because of the 2015 Copa loss too...

After a Superstar scored 5goals and 4 assists, I expect a good teammate to score this (just like Maradona's teammates scored 3 for him when he was marked out by the Germans):

abeliver:



what??
he's a striker,what other attribute should he b exhibiting??

or are u expecting him to keep clean sheets

Messi multi-talent on the pitch. Passes, dribble, assistant, freekick, goals. Etc.
Again, the way he builds an attack from the midfield get people excited.

bayelsaowei:
then it must be iran...

Ronaldo fans thought with his busy body against spain he would carry the world cup...

Hand touch am against uruguay...one ball e no fit play...

Ronaldo was playing against his Madrid friends na.. What do you expect., a coachless team for that matter..

Sergio Ramos did not even injure him.. It was a mild match..

That is the reason why he couldn't do much against Morocco and Iran...

In his so called 'best World cup' , Modric outclassed him and won the World cup golden ball!!!

eni4real:
Ronaldo was playing against his Madrid friends na.. What do you expect., a clubless team for that matter..

Sergio Ramos did not even injure him.. It was a mild match..

That is the reason why he couldn't do much against Morocco and Iran...

In his so called 'best World cup' , Modric outclassed him and won the World cup golden ball!!!

bayelsaowei:
hahahaha....youre making a mistake ..the Portuguese team is a more balanced team than the Argentine team...

Give ronaldo the argentine team and they would still lose woefully...without the right coach and player arrangement ronaldo wont win a trophy...the argentine team suffers a lot from lack or midfield and defence...so ronaldo wont achieve jack...

The most recent balanced argentine team was the one that got to the world cup finals in 2014.

Let messi retire, and you will see how good argentina is..

Portugal is good because they believe they can beat anyone, they dont have the best players, but they always believe they are the best and always work their ass off, which is not surprising cuz when you have a team mate like cr7 who's working his ass off though he had won almost everything there is to win, it tends to rub off other players

Then look at argentina, they dont wanna work, they are always looking up to messi, but no matter how good messi is, he's not always there when needed.. Their biggest mistake was making him a captain, Messi is one of the best there is but he's no leader,, you need leaders in your team, in cr7 and pepe, portugal have that.. Thats something argentina needs right now cuz they have none

And I still stand my ground, if ronaldo had all the players messi has played with, there's no way he would not have won anything, agreed, argentina team are bad right now, but messi did not start playing for them today..

Milito, zabeleta, zanetti, tevez, di maria, higuain, aguero, dybala, icardi, mascherano, banega, lautaro.. The list goes on

[quote author=eni4real post=84167860][/quote]

[quote author=jayjay2609 post=84205992][/quote] Those that won trophies for Ronaldo

bayelsaowei:
you dont get it..its not about the names of players , its about cohesion and synergy..the Argentine team is over flooded with strikers with little or no mid fielders and defenders.. how do you intend to win a trophy with an unbalanced team..??

Portugal has a better organized defense than argentina and even midfield...

Thank you..

Will u shut up.. Portugal is more balanced than Argentina? compare d positions.. player for player.. ur luv for Messi keeps clouding ur judgement..

Ryocaj:

Will u shut up.. Portugal is more balanced than Argentina? compare d positions.. player for player.. ur luv for Messi keeps clouding ur judgement..

and when did player for player determine the strength and symergy of a successful football team..??

If it is a player for player thing then a team like liverpool should never win the champions league..

jayjay2609:


Let messi retire, and you will see how good argentina is..

Portugal is good because they believe they can beat anyone, they dont have the best players, but they always believe they are the best and always work their ass off, which is not surprising cuz when you have a team mate like cr7 who's working his ass off though he had won almost everything there is to win, it tends to rub off other players

Then look at argentina, they dont wanna work, they are always looking up to messi, but no matter how good messi is, he's not always there when needed.. Their biggest mistake was making him a captain, Messi is one of the best there is but he's no leader,, you need leaders in your team, in cr7 and pepe, portugal have that.. Thats something argentina needs right now cuz they have none

And I still stand my ground, if ronaldo had all the players messi has played with, there's no way he would not have won anything, agreed, argentina team are bad right now, but messi did not start playing for them today..

Milito, zabeleta, zanetti, tevez, di maria, higuain, aguero, dybala, icardi, mascherano, banega, lautaro.. The list goes on

and i repeat if ronaldo was an argentine he wont win jack..

There are teams that have lifted up trophies and even gotten to the finals with normal players like the Portuguese team...talk about czech republic in euro 96..what about greece in euro 2004?

I stick to the point that a highly synergized team would beat a team with individual super players anyday anytime..

You remember when maradona took argentina to the world cup 2010?

You wonder why they lost out woefully??

bayelsaowei:
and when did player for player determine the strength and symergy of a successful football team..??

If it is a player for player thing then a team like liverpool should never win the champions league..

Then aw do u determine strength n synergy.. D Argentine players are far better than d Portuguese in all aspects.. so its logical 2 blend better.. And abt ur analogy of Liverpool.. it doesn't add up.. its not all times d best team wins.. Russia against Spain 2018 World Cup, Greece v Portugal Euro 2004, Birmingham v Arsenal 2011 cup final, Toro Rosso finishing on d podium in Brazil Grand Prix, EPL regular upsets ... u can go on n on.. Argentina is far better than Portugal in terms of quality, talents...

Ryocaj:
80% of Argentine players are d biggest players in their clubs.. they r game changers.. Ronaldo in Argentine team will win d world cup.. Portugal can't stand Argentina in terms of quality.. Only Ronaldo, Silva n Joao Felix r world class.. Nani n Quaresma have faded away.. U can't compare.. Aguero, Higuain, Lautauro Martinez, Messi, Dybala, Banega, Otamendi, Pavon, Di Maria, Icardi, Lamela, Lanzini, Tagliafico,...

when did Martinez get called up to Argentina national team? you are even mentioning an icardi that has never played for Argentina senior team before, how old are you?

Since there's no better player in Portuguese national team,may be you need to see the stats of players like Bruno Fernandes, this dude scored 30+ goals as a midfielder for benfica last season, not to mention Bernardo Silva was man city's player of the year last season... A certain joao Felix who is currently 3rd most expensive player in football. Have you seen joao cancelo play before? That dude is a beast of a RB.
You guys are overlooking this Portugal national team,there's a lot of talents in that squad. It's just that people are only looking at Ronaldo as the only big man there unlike Argentina that has a lot of big men, big stars in a team can be a bad thing at some point you can take England golden generation as example they had Beckham,Gerrard, Owen, lampard, Terry, Cole and a lot of established individuals and they couldn't win jack.Do you know Ronaldo once had benzema,higuain,kaka,casilass,Ramos, ozil,di Maria, arjen Robben,xabi Alonso, lasana diarra as teammates and they couldn't reach UCL final not to talk of winning it.

bayelsaowei:
and i repeat if ronaldo was an argentine he wont win jack..

There are teams that have lifted up trophies and even gotten to the finals with normal players like the Portuguese team...talk about czech republic in euro 96..what about greece in euro 2004?

I stick to the point that a highly synergized team would beat a team with individual super players anyday anytime..

You remember when maradona took argentina to the world cup 2010?

You wonder why they lost out woefully??

Portugal before cr7= 0 finals, 0 trophies
Portugal with cr7 = 3 finals, 2 trophies

Place ronaldo in that argentina team, and they would win at least one cup.. Not because he's a great player, but because his desire to win is second to none.. And stuffs like that tends to rub off his team mates

Its a little bit like mourinho and guardiola, they are both great coaches, but give both of them a team like norwich, the chances of mourinho winning a trophy is higher compared to guardiola,, not because mourinho is a better coach but he's got that mentality to win at all cost

Take a look at messi sometimes, when his team are playing extremely badly or in a losing position, he always looks like someone who has given up, his body language is not good.. And thats something you will never see with ronaldo

Just take a look last season, against l'pool, messi was nowhere to be found.. He was supposed to be the one pushing his team mates on, but when they looked at him, all they saw was someone who had given up, hence, they other players lost belief that they could not get anything from the game.. Thats something you can never associate with ronaldo

Diego simone (an argentine) once said 'Messi is a better player than ronaldo but unlike messi, ronaldo would still dominate in a team filled with average players'... If a well respected coach could say that about his fellow argentine.. Then what are you saying bro??

jayjay2609:



Portugal before cr7= 0 finals, 0 trophies
Portugal with cr7 = 3 finals, 2 trophies

Place ronaldo in that argentina team, and they would win at least one cup.. Not because he's a great player, but because his desire to win is second to none.. And stuffs like that tends to rub off his team mates

Its a little bit like mourinho and guardiola, they are both great coaches, but give both of them a team like norwich, the chances of mourinho winning a trophy is higher compared to guardiola,, not because mourinho is a better coach but he's got that mentality to win at all cost

Take a look at messi sometimes, when his team are playing extremely badly or in a losing position, he always looks like someone who has given up, his body language is not good.. And thats something you will never see with ronaldo

Just take a look last season, against l'pool, messi was nowhere to be found.. He was supposed to be the one pushing his team mates on, but when they looked at him, all they saw was someone who had given up, hence, they other players lost belief that they could not get anything from the game.. Thats something you can never associate with ronaldo

Diego simone (an argentine) once said 'Messi is a better player than ronaldo but unlike messi, ronaldo would still dominate in a team filled with average players'... If a well respected coach could say that about his fellow argentine.. Then what are you saying bro??

portugal always had ronaldo since 2004...

I repeat portugal got a better coach and also other players made that team win trophies..the likes of quaresma, nani, benaldo sylva, etc.. even their defenders like pepe and thw rest...dont speak like ronaldo did everything for portugal. Have you forgotten the two guys whi scored key goals against their opponents in respective finals when ronaldo was no where to be found??

Abeg make person hear word...

You think if Ronaldo played in a team with a weak defense he would achieve anything?

It seems you dont understand the dynamics around team football..

Ryocaj:

Then aw do u determine strength n synergy.. D Argentine players are far better than d Portuguese in all aspects.. so its logical 2 blend better.. And abt ur analogy of Liverpool.. it doesn't add up.. its not all times d best team wins.. Russia against Spain 2018 World Cup, Greece v Portugal Euro 2004, Birmingham v Arsenal 2011 cup final, Toro Rosso finishing on d podium in Brazil Grand Prix, EPL regular upsets ... u can go on n on.. Argentina is far better than Portugal in terms of quality, talents...

the argentine players on a one on one basis are better than the portugues..but on a team level basis the portuguese team is better...

How can anyone disagree with this??..

Why do you think brazil hasnt won the world cup since after 2002 even when they reel out the best players as well year in year out??

Team work , team work, team work...

Football in recent times have been all about team work if youve observed...the team with the best coherence wins and not the other way round..

Put Ronaldo in an argentine team filled with too many strikers and he will fail as well...

[quote author=bayelsaowei post=84222875]the argentine players on a one on one basis are better than the portugues..but on a team level basis the portuguese team is better...

How can anyone disagree with this??..

Why do you think brazil hasnt won the world cup since after 2002 even when they reel out the best players as well year in year out??

Team work , team work, team work...

Football in recent times have been all about team work if youve observed...the team with the best coherence wins and not the other way round..

Put Ronaldo in an argentine team filled with too many strikers and he will fail as well...[jgg/quote]

Brazil has not paraded d same talents as they had in 2002.. they av gotten short on talents.. in d last 9-10yrs only Neymar has been capable of breaking into d top 3 in world.. he is d only exceptional star they av.. only Coutinho, Silva n Alves av been close 2 world class.. its not d Brazil we know 2 b star studded.. Messi has no excuse.. Team work ain't an excuse.. its not like dey play individually.. Argentina has only Brazil n Uruguay 2 contend with.. maybe Chile too.. But Portugal had so many big teams 2 contend with n still came out top

maxwell530:
when did Martinez get called up to Argentina national team? you are even mentioning an icardi that has never played for Argentina senior team before, how old are you?

Since there's no better player in Portuguese national team,may be you need to see the stats of players like Bruno Fernandes, this dude scored 30+ goals as a midfielder for benfica last season, not to mention Bernardo Silva was man city's player of the year last season... A certain joao Felix who is currently 3rd most expensive player in football. Have you seen joao cancelo play before? That dude is a beast of a RB.
You guys are overlooking this Portugal national team,there's a lot of talents in that squad. It's just that people are only looking at Ronaldo as the only big man there unlike Argentina that has a lot of big men, big stars in a team can be a bad thing at some point you can take England golden generation as example they had Beckham,Gerrard, Owen, lampard, Terry, Cole and a lot of established individuals and they couldn't win jack.Do you know Ronaldo once had benzema,higuain,kaka,casilass,Ramos, ozil,di Maria, arjen Robben,xabi Alonso, lasana diarra as teammates and they couldn't reach UCL final not to talk of winning it.

I already mentioned Silva n Felix as d top players.. Bruno Fernandez isn't established yet.. Joao cancello that was ditched by Juventus coz he isn't gud defensively n has barely played for City.. Martinez has One Copa America Appearance 2 his name already n has d most prolific start 2 national team career in recent years.. even better than han Batistuta n Messi.. Icardi is a top player.. if not 4 d Maxi Lopez issue he will b playing regularly for Argentina..England's Golden generation didn't win anything.. But same can't b said of Ivory Coast.. even Croatia got 2 d world cup final against all odds.. Wat abt Greece.. U learn 2 weigh options wen arguing..C. Ronaldo never played alongside Robben.. Xabi n Diarra were past their prime.. Messi has no excuse for winning nothing with am Argentine team blessed with so many talents.. Same reason Argentines turned against him.. He got frustrated n retired a couple of times.. Portugal isn't blessed with much talent.. Take away Silva n Felix all they av us below average.. U wanna talk abt Ricardo, Neves, Adrien Silva, Fonte,Cavalho, Sanchez, Elder, Guedes,Mario...

bayelsaowei:
Hope many people understand that this is the seame uruguay robaldo played crap against and Portugal still lost to them in the world cup

Comparing a World Cup round of 16 match to a friendly wow clap for yourself