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Nowenuse:
Well I am not someone who will tell outright lies in a bid to defend my people like you Southerners and core-northerners do. This is not a trait of my people, so I'll say yes, you are correct, this is the first time Yorubas as a majority were alligning with the core-north.

It's just so unfortunate that this period coincides with the awakening of my people. So if this alliance doesn't die in the nearest future, my people will evolve to be anti-yoruba and more pro-Igbo because we can never be on the sides of anyone who supports the core-north.


Exactly, Yorubas have a strong religious connection with the north and this will always serve as a huge deal breaker with my people.. Hausa fulanis have made us hate and resent Islam and everything that comes with it..

When I was travelling to Kwara recently from Warri and I engaged in a serious debate with 2 Yoruba Muslims, I understood why my people will naturally evolve to be anti-yoruba.
Yoruba Muslims will never be as terrible as Hausa fulanis in action, but by heart, they are very much similar with Hausa fulanis.
Yoruba Muslims are just like the indigenous Muslims we have in Plateau & Nasarawa, who are evil by heart and not by actions.

Abeg save that lie, most Yoruba Christians do not care or give a shit about northern Christians.. The only ones who do are the likes of Oyedepo, who have lived in the north and have churches which my people are a part of, hence are also affected by any destructions in our land.
Meanwhile, Igbos whom my people worked against in the Biafran war and killed still show more sympathy towards my people compared to Yoruba Christians (with or without politics).

You see why I like Igbos more than u Yorubas?, Igbos are like Russians who are very straightforward.. while you Yorubas are like the West who are very cunning and unreliable.
If an Igbo likes you, he likes you, if he hates you, he tells you to your face. He doesn't pretend about it.... Also, if an Igbo man starts supporting you, he does so forever, he doesn't change drastically because of his immediate personal benefits, like Sowore who supported Buhari drastically in 2015 and he is now fighting against him.
This is why oftentimes, you Yorubas accuse Igbos for playing emotional politics and claim they are not being sophisticated.

This is why I have long come to the conclusion that Igbos are the best allies my people can ever have in Nigeria and I will push to make sure this alliance works in my lifetime.

Zik was a confused Mumu who thinks he is a pan-Nigerian or pan-africanist just like our own Yakubu Gowon who was a Hausa puppet. That is why most of his own Igbo people do not even respect him.
Awolowo could have supported Northern & Eastern minorities secession not because he loved or cared about us but because he wanted to revenge for the secession of his own western minorities which the north & East supported.



Take a good look at Kwara state. A place that belongs to Yorubas but is under the direct political and cultural scope and advantage of the Hausa-fulanis which these same Hausa fulanis use to boost their advantage, yet you guys have never done anything about it.
You guys don't even talk about it and shamelessly lie to make it look like it means nothing.
My people (minority tribes in the north) are overthrowing the Emirates in their areas to establish chiefdoms, yet a shameless majority tribe like you can do nothing.
Rather from time to time, since post independence where your Awo betrayed Zik and took sides with the north against Biafra and after the war, your leaders went to the north to thank them for sparing your lives.
Now your people enter into an alliance of subserviency with the same people who have been oppressing and looking down on you for decades and you want me to have any respect and regards for a tribe like yours?

The same way I despise the Hausas, Nupes and other northern Muslim tribes for being conquered and subservient foóls to the fulanis is the same sentiment I have for you guys.


It's exactly what I just mentioned above.
You Yorubas commit a sin of omission in support to the core-north.
For example, A foreigner once made a post online about the religious divides of Nigeria and most Yorubas who responded to that post were arguing that Nigeria is predominantly Muslim because the north is overwhelmingly muslim and the south is divided because of Yoruba Muslims.... It was Plateau & Southern Kd people who came to that post to correct your people's stupidity and make them know that at least ⅓ of the north are Christian minorities..... But your people were arguing stupidly because just as you told me earlier, to you, the entire North is Hausa and you don't care to know about the difference.
And mind you, the example I gave above is just one instance among many I have witnessed.

Like those 2 Yoruba guys I debated with on my way to Kwara, they blatantly told me that no form of injustice exists towards Northern christians in the north, that they have both lived in Kadunas state and religious discrimination and agenda against Northern Christians doesn't exist. ..... I just shook my head.

Imagine the kind of mentality most Yorubas have and you people are the same people who have dominated our news media before the advent of social media.... These are the kind of lies you must have been feeding to the national and international piblic.
You want to know the crime your people has committed and keep on comitting against my people? It is the crime of omission, ignorance and stupidity with which you guys empower the core-north, but you may not be aware.
See how Yorubas were overestimating the population and stupidity of the core-north in the last election, all in a bid to spite Igbos and you don't know how much this feeds off the Ego of these core-northerners who are encouraged to continue with their impunity and stupidity.


I think it is very much okay if I am a religious bigot. If most of my people have been like me since decades ago, Nigeria would have been divided and we would have been far better off than we are today.
Who is a worse bigot than the Hausa fulanis whom your people support and embolden actively and passively?


I just listed above.



Thank you very much for admitting this fact which many of your people deny.
I guess people like me are now learning to be tribalistic too. Let everyone practice tribalism like you Yorubas and Hausas practice, let us see how Nigeria will stand as a country.

The only mistake you people make in your efforts for tribalism is that you empower and embolden the core-north actively and passively, and the stronger the core-north gets, it affects us who are their direct neighbours. Hence, in a bid to survive, we are forced to look towards the Igbos for an alliance for survival.

SSners now naturally allign and have a soft spot for Igbos because of the way Igbos supported them. ..... Now, imagine my people join in this mix. ... The combination of the 3 of us will be too deadly for Nigeria and it will eventually lead to the empowerment of the Igbos.
Our people will now become the glue to hold the SS & SE together.

From my view, this tribalism of you Yorubas will not do you people any good in the long run, take this from me.
Hausa fulanis do not do tribalism, rather they do 'religionism' and this helps them to get the support of 5 million Kanuris and 10 million other middlebelt Muslims.
You Yorubas have minority neighbours like Edos, Nupes, Baribas, Ebiras, Igalas e.t.c who are more related to you guys culturally and otherwise, but these minorities look towards the Hausa fulanis & Igbos for alliance rather than you guys.

If things continue the way they are and my people eventually come into a marriage of survival with the Igbos, you Yorubas will end up the biggest loosers among the 3 majority groups in Nigeria, and Igbos will emerge the strongest because they will have the allegiance/friendship of 35 million northern Christians (with our huge fertile landmass) and 25 million SS minorities (with all the resources)....
Hausa fulanis will always have the support of about 20 million northern minority muslims
While you Yorubas may have to look towards Benin republic for allies.

Whichever way, you must know that your people cannot eat their cake and have it.

Nowenuse:
Thank you for respecting me in the first place but I do not need your respects.

I will always show opposition to many Yorubas here because it is very obvious that you people are a very very selfish people who put your interests first above the lives of other Nigerians.
You people are ready to support evil befalling others as long as it benefits you.
This is something Igbos hardly do..... I have noticed that Igbos show far more sympathy and support to the minorities of the north & middlebelt and our course, unlike you people who put your personal interests before any other thing. This is why I have absolutely no respect for you guys.
Times without number I have seen Yorubas supporting core northerners over our people and other Nigerian Christians making erroneous claims in a very ignorant manner.

If u like see me as a northerner, that is your headache... Afterall, you Yorubas see things more from a very myopic and tribal perspective and this is why you people call everyone Igbo from after Ore down do Calabar....
And everyone from after Ilorin\Lokoja is seen as a Hausa.
I mean how can Yoruba people call Edo people Igbos and Kakanda\Bassa\Igala people as Hausas meanwhile Edo and these middlebelt tribes are far far more culturally related to Yorubas than they are to Igbos & Hausas....

Very myopic and tribalized mindset.


There are about 50 distinct ethnic groups in Plateau and let me burst your bubble, only once have we ever recorded ethnic conflicts with each other.... Why is it always with Hausa fulanis? Same Hausa fulanis who fight people in Benue, Taraba, Southern Kadunas, Igbo land and even your own Yoruba land!

So tell me how barbaric my people are when we never fight with each other but only with same people all other Nigerians fight with..... Can't you see that you are an irredeemable mugu?


Well no need to apologise for your words,. I engage Igbos, Hausa fulanis, Yorubas and even Niger deltans here on this forum bitterly a lot of times because I stand for my people's interests and will do so more strongly in the future (in more physical forms).
My people are naturally a passive people in Nigeria and we must change this... Nigerians have proven themselves to be a dog eat dog people and society and my people must begin to radically play this game till this country disintegrates. No more sitting down to watch for us.
And as a leader for my people and one who knows so much about my people in respect to Nigeria's politics.... I have come to the conclusion that Hausa-fulanis are our biggest threat and enemies as a people, closely followed by you Yorubas (who do not mind supporting these Hausa fulanis, as long as it works to your interests).
Meanwhile, the Igbos are the best possible allies we can have in Nigeria, followed by the Niger deltans. ..

So expect more opposition from me and possibly others like me from henceforth.

And mind you, Yorubas were the ones who insulted me first on that thread before I descended on them..

LegendHero:
You have a lot to say about us tho but you got a lot of things wrong. The Igbos are the most double mouthed people in the world in terms of politics. Even Ojukwu campaigned openly for Shagari after coming back from exile.

There are lot of info with me that give credence to that fact and I’m not going to start a lengthy essay to explain that. Ain’t the Igbos the one insulting Hausa Fulani only to backtrack and support Atiku a Fulani Muslim in the last election.

What most of you Nigerians call double mouth in politics is just absurd. I’m real politics there shouldn’t be bloc vote from a region. What is the beauty of democracy when everyone vote in a similar pattern? Even among ourselves the Yoruba state votes are actually almost 60/40 maximum and even in the last election Atiku got at least 40% of the vote casted. Do you mean voting without bloc means being double mouthed?

I’m happy that you said you will wish to be with the Igbos in a separate country. Good luck with that and I hope your tribe find succor and peace among them.

im not sorry that the Yorubas are tribalistic, we are actually living like a separate country within Nigeria. Our culture, music, economical sojourns, etc manifested to that fact because we’ve always seen that Nigeria will never be one.

I don’t even know how to defend the attitude of a few Yorubas and how you suddenly use that to judge a whole tribe. I asked the Yoruba wrongs against the middle belt and you told me it’s just coz of the culture of silence of the Yorubas against the travails of you guys in the hand of the core-north. Well I’m sorry but I don’t think anyone chose the Yorubas as the police or different ethnicities in Nigeria.

The Igbo seems to be your ally now because you have a common enemy and they also had the same culture of domination like the core north and even if you exist in the same country with them you will still be faced with the same issue. Just that it won’t be related to killings like the north has done.

The Yorubas actually done need anyone else coz we can stand on our own. We’ve been carrying out that experiment since 1914 and I think we can actually live independent of any group so you’re free to choose your allies.

You got it wrong about Awolowo tho about the northern minorities. Why he did that was not because of any revenge it’s just that he wanted each region to be even such that no region will dominate over the other in Nigeria in terms of number. There are numerous leaders in the middlebelt that wanted to be free of the north. If not for the Biafra war that Gowon led that placated the middle belt people, the middle belt would have broken from the north.

Oh lest I forget, I’m also a Yoruba Muslim like you guys love to call us. I don’t share that mindset of the people you met in the bus and I’m very sure numerous Muslim Yorubas don’t share that mindset also. Many people don’t even know there are lot of Christians in the north and we really have a culture of not caring to much about happenings in other areas (which could be a disadvantage to us tho). Why will I even discriminate when my mom is a practicing Christian and my dad is a Muslim cohabiting peacefully for over several decades.

Two of my brothers are Christians and the remaining of my sibilings are muslims and we celebrate both Christmas and Ileya at our house. You will definitely see this same scenario play out in several families across the south west. I’m very sure that MURIC president will also have a Christian in his family if you can dig deeper. It will be hard to see an extended family in Nigeria that won’t have an outlier or a different religion.

Because the Yorubas don’t see much of the religious divide made us blind to the atrocities in the North. Tbh I always think everyone in the north are Hausa and Fulani when growing up.

Either way it’s nice that you’re tryna align with our brothers in the SE. I wish you and your tribe best of luck.

MEJOISLAND:
Who copied and pasted the definition of alias? Dumbness is not associated with us and u no that. Quota system doesn't favor the distribution of IQ. U cud be the only one-eyed man in your entire village but it's risky for you to want to make comparison with others outside the confine of your immediate environment.
Get lost Pls. You lost it the very moment you resorted to insult just to drive home your points. You know the truth but you are afraid to admit it. What's your definition of contradiction by the way? Or the word has bn reframed to accomodate another meaning? You are alredy showing tendency of frustration and innate violence. It's not strange that you could have drawn out your dagger if we were having this argument face to face.

LegendHero:
I understand what you’re saying but again you’re wrong about Ibadan. You should never compare Ibadan to Jos. It’s just incomparable.

I’m an Ibadan indigene and it’s just absurd for people to use Oja-Oba to Gate axis of Ibadan ( which are mostly brown roof buildings) to judge the whole Ibadan. In terms of size Ibadan dwarfs major cities in Nigeria and I can boldly tell you that if you know Ibadan well you will know we got a lot of nice buildings that will supersede anyone you’re talking about if your measuring them in terms of numbers.

Starting from Podo area in oluyole local government, down to New garage side of Ibadan you will see nice houses. From new garage to orita- challenge, you’ll see nice houses. If you go to oluyole estate, there are lot of nice houses. If you go to Mobil area you’ll see houses. Ring road side. Same thing as apata axis. We have Iyaganku GRA, Alalubosa Estate, Bodija estate, and a lot of places that make more sense. If you’re judging these places in terms of land area it’s gonna be almost at par with those other places you mention. Mind you I don’t even know ibadan Behind places much coz I’ve left Ibadan several years ago. I’m just calling those area I’ve been to.

Again what do you mean by Ibadan are not educated up to Jos people? Its so funny that you know little about Ibadan lol. There is no family house you will see that dosen’t have a graduate in Ibadan. Stop judging Ibadan with the interior side (brown roof ). Please stop trying to even compare the educational indices of Ibadan with jos. It’s just incomparable.

The malls in Ibadan alone might actually be more than 3 or more states of the middle belt combined, the purchasing power of Ibadan people is huge and if you’re talking about industries you can never compare Ibadan to jos.

If not because of the rubbish Nigeria that stopped the growth of Ibadan, it would have surpassed many states within the SW. Ibadan used to be the regional headquarters of the Yorubas and that is evident in the investment of the odua group in Ibadan.

It’s just insane that ignorant people always judge Ibadan with the brown roof concentrated in a certain axis.

Yes, it’s nice investing in Nigeria like you said, Nigeria is ripe for investment just that you have to carry out a lot of market research coz there are lot of investment that won’t stand the test of time due to Nigeria situation. The first thing I did after my undergrad in Nigeria was to find a way to come here for masters. The funniest thing is that I used the same resources on Nairaland “USA student visa section” to get necessary information to travel out before I joined the politics section.

If you have an undergrad degree in Nigeria, I will advise you apply for masters in USA. If you graduate your masters you will get job that pays far more than anything you will ever get in Canada. As a software engineer (mind you, I did geology in my undergrad and studies industrial Engineering as masters. Now I’m working in a software related field i.e. your undergrad course does not matter in USA), your starting salary in some states in the USA before tax will be at least $9000 per month. Even if you’re gonna pay tax and other stuffs you will still be left with a lot to help business back in Naija.

Although you said you already had a Canada slot, it’s better you travel to Canada and then use the travel advantage to apply for USA masters too. Although Canada got a better immigration system but you can always transit from F1 visa to H1B here if you have a degree in STEM courses.

You can get everything you need on Nairaland student visa section and you can also dm me if you need my help. I’ve helped lot of guys on Nairaland also when they need my help and most of them are here. It’s a continuum.

We can always remain in touch here and it’s nice having a conversation with you. Be bless bro.

nisai:
You be idiot for this comment. Mumu which bush ur ancestors come from?

LegendHero:
You have a lot to say about us tho but you got a lot of things wrong. The Igbos are the most double mouthed people in the world in terms of politics. Even Ojukwu campaigned openly for Shagari after coming back from exile.

There are lot of info with me that give credence to that fact and I’m not going to start a lengthy essay to explain that. Ain’t the Igbos the one insulting Hausa Fulani only to backtrack and support Atiku a Fulani Muslim in the last election.

What most of you Nigerians call double mouth in politics is just absurd. I’m real politics there shouldn’t be bloc vote from a region. What is the beauty of democracy when everyone vote in a similar pattern? Even among ourselves the Yoruba state votes are actually almost 60/40 maximum and even in the last election Atiku got at least 40% of the vote casted. Do you mean voting without bloc means being double mouthed?

I’m happy that you said you will wish to be with the Igbos in a separate country. Good luck with that and I hope your tribe find succor and peace among them.

im not sorry that the Yorubas are tribalistic, we are actually living like a separate country within Nigeria. Our culture, music, economical sojourns, etc manifested to that fact because we’ve always seen that Nigeria will never be one.

I don’t even know how to defend the attitude of a few Yorubas and how you suddenly use that to judge a whole tribe. I asked the Yoruba wrongs against the middle belt and you told me it’s just coz of the culture of silence of the Yorubas against the travails of you guys in the hand of the core-north. Well I’m sorry but I don’t think anyone chose the Yorubas as the police or different ethnicities in Nigeria.

The Igbo seems to be your ally now because you have a common enemy and they also had the same culture of domination like the core north and even if you exist in the same country with them you will still be faced with the same issue. Just that it won’t be related to killings like the north has done. [quote]Igbo domination brings about positive competition of development devoid of bloodshed. .... I will welcome it whole-heartedly. It will be more beneficial to my people, cos it will make us sit up and work harder... Like I told you earlier, we are naturally very passive and laid back. This is something that must change.
Even if the Niger deltan minorities do not want an alliance with the Igbos, people like me will still mobilize our people to be United with the Igbos.
Besides, in the event of a future country between my people and Igbos, it would be a country like the UK. A loosed Confederacy where secession will be readily available in the Constitution and there will be heavy checks and balances to prevent outright domination of one over another.
We cannot leave Nigeria with all these experiences and still make the same mistakes, Haba.

[quote]The Yorubas actually done need anyone else coz we can stand on our own. We’ve been carrying out that experiment since 1914 and I think we can actually live independent of any group so you’re free to choose your allies.

You got it wrong about Awolowo tho about the northern minorities. Why he did that was not because of any revenge it’s just that he wanted each region to be even such that no region will dominate over the other in Nigeria in terms of number. There are numerous leaders in the middlebelt that wanted to be free of the north. If not for the Biafra war that Gowon led that placated the middle belt people, the middle belt would have broken from the north.

Oh lest I forget, I’m also a Yoruba Muslim like you guys love to call us. I don’t share that mindset of the people you met in the bus and I’m very sure numerous Muslim Yorubas don’t share that mindset also. Many people don’t even know there are lot of Christians in the north and we really have a culture of not caring to much about happenings in other areas (which could be a disadvantage to us tho). Why will I even discriminate when my mom is a practicing Christian and my dad is a Muslim cohabiting peacefully for over several decades.

Two of my brothers are Christians and the remaining of my sibilings are muslims and we celebrate both Christmas and Ileya at our house. You will definitely see this same scenario play out in several families across the south west. I’m very sure that MURIC president will also have a Christian in his family if you can dig deeper. It will be hard to see an extended family in Nigeria that won’t have an outlier or a different religion.

Because the Yorubas don’t see much of the religious divide made us blind to the atrocities in the North. Tbh I always think everyone in the north are Hausa and Fulani when growing up.

Either way it’s nice that you’re tryna align with our brothers in the SE. I wish you and your tribe best of luck.

NaMeAboki:
You reek of hypocrisy and bigotry.

First of all, you were the first to insult my intelligence; not the other way round.

Secondly, you tried to correct someone while in actual fact you were the one in error.

Thirdly, I didn't outrightly said you copied and pasted your definition but said it seemed you did - the word APPARENTLY (used in my statement) has a meaning; the dictionary is your friend, check it up.

Lastly, you continue to shamelessly shift the goalpost in order to avoid admitting your shortcoming by resorting to stereotypical bigotry - which have no bearing to the issue at hand.

If you have a superior IQ as claimed; then prove to us how PASTORS were also not involved in the mentioned dastardly act or otherwise STFU.

MEJOISLAND:
Oga, you have more proofs to make. How does an alias connote professionalism in the first place?

Nowenuse:
Good to see you listing the modern parts of Ibadan, like I said earlier, I know they exist, but my question is what is the percentage of the modern parts in respect to the old parts?

I used to think the old part of Ibadan was in the minority not until I used Google maps to view the entire city and I discovered that the old Ibadan of rusty roofs and houses is the overwhelming majority of the city.
So for God's sake, how do you expect us not to judge Ibadan with the old city? When the old city is in the majority?
Kano as an ancient pre-colonial city also has a very large old city too but it is a minority or something like a 50\50 with the modern parts because Hausa people renovate their houses.

And it's not just Ibadan alone, when one goes to Oshogbo, Abeokuta, Ogbomosho, Ife, Iwo, Ikinrun, it's almost the same thing. Although the modern parts of Abeokuta is larger or the same size with the old parts in my opinion. So, it's a phenomenon all over Yoruba land.
In my view, Yoruba states are experiencing a serious brain drain as all the best minds, middle class, intelligent, young and savvy people go to live in Lagos and do not return investments to their hometowns.
This is why Ibadan can never be compared with Jos....
I live in Warri and have lived in Benin (2 of the 5 largest and most urbanized cities in the SE\SS) and I can confidently say that Jos is better than both cities, except of course when it comes to money. Jos is very neat and far well organized compared to these places.
If not for the recurring crisis that rocked Jos and saw to the burning down of the Jos ultra-modern market (the largest of it's kind in Africa), Ibadan would have not measured up Jos in Commerce. Jos is very green as it is the only city in West Africa with a natural wildlife park in the center of the city.
So, take it or leave it, Jos is better or on par with Ibadan in all ramifications apart from Industries & Commerce.

For me, I think it is you Yorubas that allowed the fall of Ibadan by mass migration to Lagos.
Abuja is now becoming a threat to Kaduna & Jos but it still will never be able to 'braindrain' both cities. Never. We will not accept it.



Wow, thanks a lot for the advice.
Yes I know USA pays so much more than Canada and I think I will look towards the USA as soon as I get my Canadian PR which will come 2 years after working in Canada.
Apparently, I will be eligible for tuition free tertiary education in Canada as a tax payer, so I don't think I will ignore this huge opportunity to spend a huge amount of money on American education.
I can still take advantage of the American job market right from Canada with a master's degree from a Canadian university, or don't you think?

Yes I will definitely do my research before investing in the Nigerian market.

Wow, who would have known that you were such a young ambitious, enlightened and exposed fellow.... I and probably many others here see you as a local tribalist and Yoruba supremacist. .
Can you tell me how someone like you still have the time to do all the tribal banters on nairaland and how did you become so 'tribalist' or pro-yoruba? I am interested.

StupidNLmods:
I'm so disappointed that the mods removed every single comment that linked this news to the yorubas who are perpetrators. If it were igbos almost all the comments against them would be allowed to stand and somehow we must be able to tell they are the perpetrators.

God punish Seun and all his tribalistical biased pretentious yoruba mods.