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GrayBeard:
The prophecy never referred to a virgin, it referred to an Almah - which means young woman.
Betulah, is the Hebrew word for virgin, and that word was never used with reference to Mary.

There is no miracle in a young woman conceiving but a miracle exist in a VIRGIN given birth. The miraculous birth is KEY here

Is 7:14

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. NIV

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. KJV

All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’). NLT

IT WAS A SIN PUNISHABLE BY DEATH BY STONING FOR DEFILING ONE'S SELF AS A YOUNG WOMAN IN HER DAYS (EXCEPT IN CASES OF THINGS LIKE RAPE) AND THERE WERE THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS OF VIRGINS OF HER AGE IN HER DAYS IN ISRAEL. MARY WASNT CHOSEN TO CARRY THE EXPRESSED IMAGE OF THE PERSON OF THE INVISIBLE GOD (JESUS-CHRIST) BECAUSE SHE WAS A VIRGIN AS THERE WERE UNCOUNTABLE MANY OTHERS BUT SHE WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE AMONG THOSE MANY OTHERS, SHE FOUND FAVOUR BEFORE GOD. GOD IS AN UNUSUAL GOD AND WORKS IN UNUSUAL WAYS AND TILL DATE,HE STILL USES THESAME PATERN IN CHOSING AND IN BLESSING PEOPLE. DOES IT NOT SURPRISE U THAT MANY OF THOSE WHO ARE RICH ARENT RICH BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST INTELLIGENT ETC ? GOD IS SOVEREIGN IN HIS CHOICE AND NO MAN TELLS HIM WHO TO ALLOW TO BE RICH OR NOT ETC OR WHO TO USE IN A CERTAIN MINISTRY. THAT IS WHY IT IS NOT BY POWER NOR BY MIGHT BUT BY GOD THAT SHOWTH MERCY. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, YOU REALLY CANT ADD AN IOTA TO WHAT YOU HAV BEEN ORDAINED EVEN BEFORE U WERE BORN TO BE. YOU ONLY HAV TO MAKE EFFORTS AND ASK FOR HIS GRACE TO MAKE IT AND IF YOU ARE ORDAINED TO BE THERE,YOU WILL HAVE IT. REMEMBER ESAU AND JACOB, DAVID, SAUL, PAUL AND EVEN THE TWO SONS OF JOSEPH BORN IN EGYPT ETC. IF YOU'RE STIL NOT CONVINCED,GO AND READ ROMANS 9 AND YOU WILL FEAR GOD. cfountainoftruth@gmail.com 070 5414 2412

surgical:
Conclude by revealing the name of the soldier

Sextus Phallustus of the Second Legion.

GrayBeard:
The word translated as virgin is Almah. This is a mistranslation as Almah simply means "Young Woman."

Almah (עַלְמָה ‘almāh, plural: עֲלָמוֹת ‘ălāmōṯ), from a root implying the vigour of puberty,[1] is a Hebrew word for a young woman of childbearing age.[2] Despite its importance to the Christian tradition of the virgin birth of Jesus, scholars agree that it has nothing to do with virginity.[2] It occurs nine times in the Hebrew Bible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almah

Yeah so Matthew was reading from the septuagint. ln my belief ( and l might be wrong) no one truly knew much about the birth of jesus as at the time the gospels were written probably because Mary must have died when they were writing, as well as the siblings of jesus and as at then there were probably different traditions on the birth narrative. Mark doesn't even bother about the birth of jesus, and for john, jesus already existed from the beginning. Matthew and Luke were trying to write an all round biography, and could only write down what they have heard and what was popular in their own community.

surgical:
Conclude by revealing the name of the soldier

Who's jesus's father? The person fvcked Mary, Jesus is the son of God

Righteousness89:
Mary Did not Have a Choice , she didn't chose to be Mother of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST..

She was CHOSEN From Above..

she had a choice and a say.. Merry Christmas

Daejoyoung:
Yeah so Matthew was reading from the septuagint. ln my belief ( and l might be wrong) no one truly knew much about the birth of jesus as at the time the gospels were written probably because Mary must have died when they were writing, as well as the siblings of jesus and as at then there were probably different traditions on the birth narrative. Mark doesn't even bother about the birth of jesus, and for john, jesus already existed from the beginning. Matthew and Luke were trying to write and all round biography, and could only write down what they have heard and what was popular in their own community.

The Bible was not written on hearsay

GrayBeard:
Fair, tempered, reasoned and enlightened response.

Thank you Sir

tstx:
You didn't even bother to address the question he raised.. you just went straight into foolery... Ride on

He answered it na.

God can choose to do whatever he wants with whoever he wants.

And that includes Mary.

ksam:
Joseph is the real Niga here, for tolerating his virgin wife to be disvirgin

There was no loss of virginity

jesusjnr:
Would Mary Have Been Chosen To Be The Mother Of Jesus If She Wasn't A Virgin?

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I believe Mary was one of the rarest gems that humanity has ever produced, for she had a great heart and a very deep understanding of the things of God.

That said, the truth remains that all such human qualities which contributed to making her the special woman she was, wouldn't have sufficed for her to be chosen by God to become the mother of Jesus, had she had lost her virginity to premarital sex.

And that doesn't mean that God wouldn't have forgiven her for doing so if she'd genuinely repented, for God would forgive her quite alright, however He wouldn't be able to choose her to become the mother of Jesus, because the mother of Jesus was meant to be a virgin until marriage.

So that's how Mary could have missed out on the exclusive blessing and privilege of carrying the only begotten Son of God in her womb.

But thank God, she didn't lose her virginity to premarital sex, as she had preserved it until the day of her marriage, hence was she able to partake of that exclusive blessing of God that no other woman ever had:

Luke 1:28 (KJV)

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

So Mary was called "highly favored" and "blessed amongst women" by the archangel Of God, because the kind of blessings and favor she had received from God was a very high one, which no other person could ever have. But she wouldn't have gotten such a blessing and favor from God if she hadn't preserved her virginity to her marriage, to show that there are some extent of blessings and favor that only those keeps their virginity till marriage have a chance of partaking of.

And that instance of Mary was just an illustration, for this message is not just meant for the women, but also applies to the opposite sex, because I myself preaching this message, am not a woman, but yet my greatest regret in life, is not being like Mary and those who were able to preserve their virginity till marriage.

And don't tell me that God had forgiven me of all my sins because I very well know that and am eternally grateful for that, but why it's yet a regret to me is that i am not going to be able to get back my virginity which I lost. Because virginity is the only thing that can never be recovered when lost to the devil. And that is exactly what happens whenever one loses his virginity to premarital sex.

So even though I have given my everything to God, it still pains me that I couldn't give God my virginity and use it to glorify Him, and that it is with the devil.

What makes it pain me the most is that God really tried for me, because even when I was just a church goer, and wasn't yet saved, there were glaring signs that God was trying hard prevent me from defiling myself. So despite being a ladies guy, and having a best friend was a womanizer, I was still a virgin, as God somehow was just putting spanner in all my plans and efforts to lose it.

But then I wouldn't listen, as I kept trying to taste the thing that my friends had been saying was so sweet, and made me feel I was really missing out on, so God eventually removed His Hand and let me have what I so craved. And to be honest when I finally did, I was like, "Was that it?"

And what did I gain? I gained the loss of my virginity to the devil, and the worst part is that it wasn't too long after that, I repented and surrendered my life to Jesus. So I was that close and about twenty one years old. Aarrrgghh!!!

It was after I began to walk with God that I got to realize why God tried so hard to help me preserve my virginity, but by then it was already too late for the deed had been done.

So although I'm now walking with God at the level of Spirit, where it is all about God, and by the signs God is still going to use me to a rare degree for the work of His kingdom, i am not going to forget that I lost my virginity to the devil, for that is a regret that i'm going to live with for the rest of my life.

That is actually one of the things which inspires me to do everything I possibly could to ensure that the devil doesn't have anything else of me, and that he so dearly pays for the evil he has inflicted upon mankind. So that regret does help to keep me on my toes, because I have already lost my virginity to the devil, so I can't afford to lose any thing else.

Moreover since I lost my virginity to the devil and can't get it back, I am going to do everything I possibly could God helping me, to ensure that the devil loses as many virginities as possible to God.

Therefore this message is for those who yet have their virginity in their hands, even if they haven't yet repented and are not saved.

You have an opportunity to give God something I couldn't give to Him, so don't waste it. Because everything else you lose to the devil now while you're still unsaved, you could possibly recover once you're saved, but once you lose your virginity to the devil, it is gone forever, because you would never be able to recover it.

Therefore ensure that regardless of what you lose to the devil while yet in the world, that you don't lose your virginity. So that when you eventually come back to God who is your heavenly Father and your Creator, you would still be able to glorify Him with your virginity, which is something I'm not able to do myself, but may have been very different if someone had told me what I'm telling you.

And I'm not saying that It's not going to be easy, but what I'm saying is that with God nothing shall be impossible, so that with God's help you surely can.

God bless.

Well she was actually favored and it wasn't by accident that she was chosen. It has to do with several decades and centuries of preparations including several incarnations. Her parents Joachim the Essene hierophant and Anna were special too in the scheme of Cosmic events that led to birth of Mary. To avoid this your concern she was placed under care of another chosen but much older man and a widower Joseph the carpenter a fellow Essene too with special instructions given. At age 13 according to the Jewish calendar in use then she conceived via the holy spirit and then incarnate messiah was made manifest through her. Joseph himself was surprised at such and hence wants to prove his innocence. But angel Gabriel appeared to explain events to him.
Just do a little bit of research u will understand the manifestation of Cosmic laws at play here.
Just read the Mystical life of Jesus and 5he Aquarian gospel of Jesus The Christ of the Piscean age. U may understand better.

CSTR2:
He answered it na.
God can choose to do whatever he wants with whoever he wants.
And that includes Mary.

Then we have no freewill.

jesusjnr:
Would Mary Have Been Chosen To Be The Mother Of Jesus If She Wasn't A Virgin?

---

I believe Mary was one of the rarest gems that humanity has ever produced, for she had a great heart and a very deep understanding of the things of God.

That said, the truth remains that all such human qualities which contributed to making her the special woman she was, wouldn't have sufficed for her to be chosen by God to become the mother of Jesus, had she had lost her virginity to premarital sex.

And that doesn't mean that God wouldn't have forgiven her for doing so if she'd genuinely repented, for God would forgive her quite alright, however He wouldn't be able to choose her to become the mother of Jesus, because the mother of Jesus was meant to be a virgin until marriage.

So that's how Mary could have missed out on the exclusive blessing and privilege of carrying the only begotten Son of God in her womb.

But thank God, she didn't lose her virginity to premarital sex, as she had preserved it until the day of her marriage, hence was she able to partake of that exclusive blessing of God that no other woman ever had:

Luke 1:28 (KJV)

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

So Mary was called "highly favored" and "blessed amongst women" by the archangel Of God, because the kind of blessings and favor she had received from God was a very high one, which no other person could ever have. But she wouldn't have gotten such a blessing and favor from God if she hadn't preserved her virginity to her marriage, to show that there are some extent of blessings and favor that only those keeps their virginity till marriage have a chance of partaking of.

And that instance of Mary was just an illustration, for this message is not just meant for the women, but also applies to the opposite sex, because I myself preaching this message, am not a woman, but yet my greatest regret in life, is not being like Mary and those who were able to preserve their virginity till marriage.

And don't tell me that God had forgiven me of all my sins because I very well know that and am eternally grateful for that, but why it's yet a regret to me is that i am not going to be able to get back my virginity which I lost. Because virginity is the only thing that can never be recovered when lost to the devil. And that is exactly what happens whenever one loses his virginity to premarital sex.

So even though I have given my everything to God, it still pains me that I couldn't give God my virginity and use it to glorify Him, and that it is with the devil.

What makes it pain me the most is that God really tried for me, because even when I was just a church goer, and wasn't yet saved, there were glaring signs that God was trying hard prevent me from defiling myself. So despite being a ladies guy, and having a best friend was a womanizer, I was still a virgin, as God somehow was just putting spanner in all my plans and efforts to lose it.

But then I wouldn't listen, as I kept trying to taste the thing that my friends had been saying was so sweet, and made me feel I was really missing out on, so God eventually removed His Hand and let me have what I so craved. And to be honest when I finally did, I was like, "Was that it?"

And what did I gain? I gained the loss of my virginity to the devil, and the worst part is that it wasn't too long after that, I repented and surrendered my life to Jesus. So I was that close and about twenty one years old. Aarrrgghh!!!

It was after I began to walk with God that I got to realize why God tried so hard to help me preserve my virginity, but by then it was already too late for the deed had been done.

So although I'm now walking with God at the level of Spirit, where it is all about God, and by the signs God is still going to use me to a rare degree for the work of His kingdom, i am not going to forget that I lost my virginity to the devil, for that is a regret that i'm going to live with for the rest of my life.

That is actually one of the things which inspires me to do everything I possibly could to ensure that the devil doesn't have anything else of me, and that he so dearly pays for the evil he has inflicted upon mankind. So that regret does help to keep me on my toes, because I have already lost my virginity to the devil, so I can't afford to lose any thing else.

Moreover since I lost my virginity to the devil and can't get it back, I am going to do everything I possibly could God helping me, to ensure that the devil loses as many virginities as possible to God.

Therefore this message is for those who yet have their virginity in their hands, even if they haven't yet repented and are not saved.

You have an opportunity to give God something I couldn't give to Him, so don't waste it. Because everything else you lose to the devil now while you're still unsaved, you could possibly recover once you're saved, but once you lose your virginity to the devil, it is gone forever, because you would never be able to recover it.

Therefore ensure that regardless of what you lose to the devil while yet in the world, that you don't lose your virginity. So that when you eventually come back to God who is your heavenly Father and your Creator, you would still be able to glorify Him with your virginity, which is something I'm not able to do myself, but may have been very different if someone had told me what I'm telling you.

And I'm not saying that It's not going to be easy, but what I'm saying is that with God nothing shall be impossible, so that with God's help you surely can.

God bless.

Stop digging into what you know nothing about @ Op for God works in mysterious ways

Religion is a kind of tricky stuff since it's just base on beliefs and no actual fact! but then again you have 2.7+ billion Christians who believe in this stuff, notice the keyword here is belief arguing with people like this is always a waste of time

parksg:
The Bible was not written on hearsay

Some of it were. Even Luke would agree with me here. Luke was not a witness to what he wrote, he had to interview people and gather materials.
Also it is believed that Mark was a secretary of peter and his content was mainly written based on Peter's testimony.

femi4:
There is no miracle in a young woman conceiving but a miracle exist in a VIRGIN given birth. The miraculous birth is KEY here

Is 7:14

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. NIV

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. KJV

All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’). NLT

You are not listening.

The Hebrew word used in the Isaiah verse you have quoted above is "Almah" - that word means "young woman". It does not mean virgin. That is a mistranslation -

Read:

Almah (עַלְמָה ‘almāh, plural: עֲלָמוֹת ‘ălāmōṯ), from a root implying the vigour of puberty,[1] is a Hebrew word for a young woman of childbearing age.[2] Despite its importance to the Christian tradition of the virgin birth of Jesus, scholars agree that it has nothing to do with virginity.[2] It occurs nine times in the Hebrew Bible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almah

The word which translates as virgin is actually "betulah" and that word is not used with respect to Mary.

Daejoyoung:
Yeah so Matthew was reading from the septuagint. ln my belief ( and l might be wrong) no one truly knew much about the birth of jesus as at the time the gospels were written probably because Mary must have died when they were writing, as well as the siblings of jesus and as at then there were probably different traditions on the birth narrative. Mark doesn't even bother about the birth of jesus, and for john, jesus already existed from the beginning. Matthew and Luke were trying to write an all round biography, and could only write down what they have heard and what was popular in their own community.

Perfectly on point, thank you.

Marry wasn't the only virgin in that village or town at that time so it's her destiny.

tstx:
Then we have no freewill.

You have a freewill to a point at which God's sovereignty overrides it.

Which means, God allows you to do whatever you want until when he needs something done urgently.

And then your free will become irrelevant.

Fortunately or unfortunately, God does not exercise his sovereignty most of the time.
He lets you do you 99% of the time.

CSTR2:
You have a freewill to a point at which God's sovereignty overrides it.

Which means, God allows you to do whatever you want until when he needs something done urgently.

And then your free will become irrelevant.

Fortunately or unfortunately, God does not exercise his sovereignty most of the time.
He lets you do you 99% of the time.

How can an omniscient God get into urgent situations? ? ?
Abeg reason am wella.

parksg:
There was no loss of virginity

Olodo.
I pray make ya wife yarn you dis same kain tori, say you no nack am, but Holy Ghost give am belle.

GrayBeard:
How can an omniscient God get into urgent situations? ? ?
Abeg reason am wella.

The idea of urgently does not really explain it well.
Urgently in this term means God needs to intervene at this point in the grand scheme of things.

He already knows he will do this thing at a point in time and then he does it.
It doesn't mean it is an unplanned event.

For example, God already told Adam about the coming of Jesus thousands of years before he came.

God told Abraham that his descendants would needed to be delivered from slavery in Egypt with a strong hand, hundreds of years before it happened.

In fact, At that point in time when God was telling Abraham that prophecy, his wife Sarah was barren at over 80 years old.

CSTR2:
The idea of urgently does not really explain it well.
Urgently in this term means God needs to intervene at this point in the grand scheme of things.

He already knows he will do this thing at a point in time and then he does it.
It doesn't mean it is an unplanned event.

For example, God already told Adam about the coming of Jesus thousands of years before he came.

God told Abraham that his descendants would needed to be delivered from slavery in Egypt with a strong hand, hundreds of years before it happened.

In fact, At that point in time when God was telling Abraham that prophecy, his wife Sarah was barren at over 80 years old.

And if all this is true, what does that tell you?
That your life and the world are just a reality show for God to play around with, not so?

Sanguine:
Mary did not choose herself to be the 'mother' of Christ. And she definitely was not the only virgin
in town at that time.
She must have lived a life totally
concecrated to God for God to have deemed her worthy. One can be a virgin and live a frivolous and ungodly life, ask the five foolish virgins.

uninformed mindz believes their lives are been controlled by spirit

Sanguine:
Mary did not choose herself to be the 'mother' of Christ. And she definitely was not the only virgin
in town at that time.
She must have lived a life totally
concecrated to God for God to have deemed her worthy. One can be a virgin and live a frivolous and ungodly life, ask the five foolish virgins.

But the five foolish virgins never existed na

Most people didn't read the article. This your write-up sha.

MYTH

When you Africans wake to the fact that these stories were fabricated mythological folklores??. Its all fake plagiarized stories as told by roman Catholic. Religion is man made. God or gods were made by man in their own image and likeness hence gods have the attributes of mankind being favoritism, war mongering, human sacrifices, jealousy, unforgiving, forgetfulness and imperfections. Grow up peeps!!.

GrayBeard:
You are not listening.

The Hebrew word used in the Isaiah verse you have quoted above is "Almah" - that word means "young woman". It does not mean virgin. That is a mistranslation -

Read:

Almah (עַלְמָה ‘almāh, plural: עֲלָמוֹת ‘ălāmōṯ), from a root implying the vigour of puberty,[1] is a Hebrew word for a young woman of childbearing age.[2] Despite its importance to the Christian tradition of the virgin birth of Jesus, scholars agree that it has nothing to do with virginity.[2] It occurs nine times in the Hebrew Bible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almah

The word which translates as virgin is actually "betulah" and that word is not used with respect to Mary.

You are more knowledgeable than the translators. You were there when they ALL mistakenly translate "virgin" to "young woman"

Bravo! You ve mastered the Hebrew language via google

GrayBeard:
And if all this is true, what does that tell you?
That your life and the world are just a reality show for God to play around with, not so?

No.
Most of what happens on earth is a consequence of man's free will.

God has to maintain a balance that is why he already plans major corrective actions in place at specific points in human history.

Jesus had to come because Adam would sin of his own free will.

God Already planned to deliver the Israelites from slavery in Egypt because their grand father Jacob would go there in the first place on his own free will.
And on and on and on.

God knows what man will do and has the fore knowledge to plan corrective actions.
And it is not everytime God does corrective actions during the course of human history.
Most times, man lives with the consequences.
Global warming is a consequence that God is not going to interfere with until Christ comes.

Preventing man from taking those harmful life choices would have been against the free will he gave us.

Mary was not in any way better than other women in Israel at that time. The scriptures says she was FAVOURED. This was.irrespective of what she did or didn't do. In fact, Mary as well as other people living before the coming of grace through Christ were sinners.