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No.

Joseph's $perm would have ruined everything.

For a perfect soul to be born, no presence of a male's $perm must be present in Mary.

God forbid that it should even be a negroe's $perm. It would have driven God crazy.

Funny opinions. The answer is No. Jesus must be born of a virgin. It's a prophesy come true guys, right from Isaiah 7: 14. Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
That was about 740 years before JESUS was born . but you see devil and humans were rather caught unawares till the prophesy was fulfilled.
God is not author of confusion.


Shallom

What kind of stupidity is this?

Daejoyoung:
Some people argue though that the translation of the word almah in Isaiah 7v14 is not virgin but maiden. The translation of the Hebrew bible to Greek about 200 years before christ may have translated it as virgin. That is their arguement, and l don't know enough yet to refute it, but someone here who is familiar with this arguement should bring in his/her own perspective.

Either way Merry Christmas to you all.

The sign of Isaiah 7:4 is for King ahaz, it was a sign that his kingdom will not be distorted.. And his lineage ended.. It has got nothing to do with jesus or Mary..
The woman in question was Isaiah" s wife.. She was about to give birth.. Meaning she was already pregnant when Isaiah was writing.. Context is key.

urchcoded:
Who's jesus's father? The person fvcked Mary, Jesus is the son of God

You lack understanding. If God can make man from clay, can he not also make man from nothing or something and place it in a woman's womb?
Use logic with wisdom bro.


Shallom

sonmvayina:
The sign of Isaiah 7:4 is for King ahaz, it was a sign that his kingdom will not be distorted.. And his lineage ended.. It has got nothing to do with jesus or Mary..
The woman in question was Isaiah" s wife.. She was about to give birth.. Meaning she was already pregnant when Isaiah was writing.. Context is key.

I see you don't understand. Even the Jews and prophets understood that God was referring to something in the distant future. Did the context mention isaiah wife?

Righteousness89:
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Foolish talk!

Ask yourself these Questions
1. Did u wake up by your power this Morning?
2. The Breathe you have in you, did u put it in yourself?
3. The fingers u used in typing , did you fix it yourself ?

You don't own yourself! You can't keep yourself!
You Have an Owner..
and that is GOD ALMIGHTY...

He can do whatever HE wills with you..

Don't be Foolish

As much as I agree with you, kindly note that man was given a free will and your permission(a worthy life) is required to be transformed.

Look! I stand at the door and knock. If you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in, and we will share a meal together as friends.--Revelations 3:20

If you keep yourself pure, you will be a special utensil for honorable use. Your life will be clean, and you will be ready for the Master to use you for every good work.--2 Timothy 2:21

afemgbosey:
I see you don't understand. Even the Jews and prophets understood that God was referring to something in the distant future. Did the context mention isaiah wife?

Yes, read Isaiah 8:18...the son was Isaiah son

sonmvayina:
The sign of Isaiah 7:4 is for King ahaz, it was a sign that his kingdom will not be distorted.. And his lineage ended.. It has got nothing to do with jesus or Mary..
The woman in question was Isaiah" s wife.. She was about to give birth.. Meaning she was already pregnant when Isaiah was writing.. Context is key.

So where actually is the prophesy? Because the post you refuted is quite a standard explanation.

midnighter:
So where actually is the prophesy? Because the post you refuted is quite a standard explanation.

Syria and the Northern kingdom where planning to kill King Ahaz and install somebody there as king, and King Ahaz was panicking so God sent Isaiah to him to assure him that their plan will fail.. God told him to ask for a sign, he said he would not.. So God went ahead and gave him the sign, a woman will give birth to a son, Isaiah was obviously pointing to the woman for king Ahaz to know, before the child knows to choose good and reject evil.. The two enemies will be defeated and destroyed..

If you read 1st King, that is exactly what happened.. Got it now?

midnighter:
So where actually is the prophesy? Because the post you refuted is quite a standard explanation.

That is the deception... There is none. God never said anybody was coming to die for sins.. For the problem of sin.. Read God's solution in 2nd chronicle 7 :14

Well in as much as I'll agree with u,that she was a vitreous woman,truth is, she was destined to be the mother of christ cos she was the wife of Joseph.there has been prophesies in the old testament, saying that the christ will come from the lineage of david,Joseph is from that lineage,and through fate ,he married mary.

midnighter:
Yes, I have seen that but my point is still valid.

Having a child out of wedlock doesn't mean that you're consigned to the dustbin but it doesn't mean that people who try to give birth in the order that God ordained should be derided.

People here keeping saying "God can use anybody" as if people who try to do the right thing are stupid.

Virgin or young maiden or whatever, pointing out a good quality in another person shouldn't make you flare and jump up to rubbish it unless you have an unresolved issue within yourself.

It looks like inferiority complex if you ask me. That you failed somewhere doesn't mean everybody should fail too so that you will feel better.

nB "you" here is an impersonal "you", not that I'm necessarily aiming my post at you

Virgin = good
Non virgin = not good



Isn't it understandable someone who didn't choose what you consider right would feel attacked?

When did God say he was sending his son to come and die for sins... Am I missing something?

internationalman:
so it was government by force then..

no self expression or free will..

so it has been teyed is started.... it is well

useless write up

femi4:
You are more knowledgeable than the translators. You were there when they ALL mistakenly translate "virgin" to "young woman"

Bravo! You ve mastered the Hebrew language via google

Illiterate slave.
Thats what you are.

*Pukes

Mindfulness:
Virgin = good
Non virgin = not good



Isn't it understandable someone who didn't choose what you consider right would feel attacked?

"Feel attacked" how? Even the OP told us that he stumbled, explained why he thought it was an error on his part and advised people not to follow in his footsteps as per any normal Christian advice so what's the problem?

It's not

virgin=good

Non-virgin = not good

It's

virgin = followed Gods commandment

Non-virgin= didn't follow God's commandment

And

Non-thief= followed Gods commandment

Thief= didn't follow God's commandment

If you know you broke the commandment you accept that you've failed in that particular instance and take whatever comes of it and move on.

You don't fly off the handle every time it's mentioned just to rubbish people who have managed to keep it because you feel bad about yourself.

Does a thief reserve the right to get angry every time they mention "Thou shalt not steal" Won't you tell the fellow to pipe down and stop making unnecessary noise?

There's a proverb in Igbo that says that an old lady gets touchy and agitated whenever dry bones are mentioned.

I notice that every time chastity is mentioned on here people quickly fly to discount and make jest of it just to console themselves and it's not right in my opinion.

midnighter:
You're talking outside of the point. You said that Mary was not special but Joseph.

You now changed to Joseph too is not special when you're the one who even brought out Joseph.

See confusion smh

That's the order.

Joseph was not chosen because he was special but because he was from the tribe of David.

Mary was chosen simply because Joseph decided to marry her. If Joseph decided to marry Ruth or Martha or Deborah etc, the person would have still been chosen.

midnighter:
"Feel attacked" how? Even the OP told us that he stumbled, explained why he thought it was an error on his part and advised people not to follow in his footsteps as per any normal Christian advice so what's the problem?

It's not

virgin=good

Non-virgin = not good

It's

virgin = followed Gods commandment

Non-virgin= didn't follow God's commandment

And

Non-thief= followed Gods commandment

Thief= didn't follow God's commandment

If you know you broke the commandment you accept that you've failed in that particular instance and take whatever comes of it and move on.

You don't fly off the handle every time it's mentioned just to rubbish people who have managed to keep it because you feel bad about yourself.

Does a thief reserve the right to get angry every time they mention "Thou shalt not steal" Won't you tell the fellow to pipe down and stop making unnecessary noise?

There's a proverb in Igbo that says that an old lady gets touchy and agitated whenever dry bones are mentioned.

I notice that every time chastity is mentioned on here people quickly fly to discount and make jest of it just to console themselves and it's not right in my opinion.

So now you are even comparing thieves to people who didn't choose to keep their virginity till marriage?

@bold
For every person who discounts virginity a 100 people insult those people women who do not subscribe to the view that sex is dirty. And they believe they are riding the moral high horse. The joke is that Mary wasn't even married when she got pregnant. You believe she conceived the Holy Spirit but I believe she was just enjoying herself.

Mindfulness:
So now you are even comparing thieves to people who didn't choose to keep their virginity till marriage?

@bold
For every person who discounts virginity a 100 people insult those people women who do not subscribe to the view that sex is dirty. And they believe they are riding the moral high horse. The joke is that Mary wasn't even married when she got pregnant. You believe she conceived the Holy Spirit but I believe she was just enjoying herself.

I am not comparing anybody. I am using them both as examples of where a commandment has clearly been broken to explain to you why emphasising the importance of chastity doesn't mean that you're condemning non-virgins or saying that they're bad people. Which they're definitely not!

Probably "thief" was too strong an example, I can accept that. But I wasn't comparing them.

I don't think it's right to insult those who don't subscribe to the view that sex isn't dirty either. But that's not what I'm seeing on the thread right now.

She wasn't married when she got pregnant because as I now understand it, the point was that a young maiden would conceive of the Holy Spirit and that implies that the person is unmarried.

midnighter:
I am not comparing anybody. I am using them both as examples of where a commandment has clearly been broken to explain to you why emphasising the importance of chastity doesn't mean that you're condemning non-virgins or saying that they're bad people. Which they're definitely not!

I don't think it's right to insult those who don't subscribe to the view that sex isn't dirty either. But that's not what I'm seeing on the thread right now.

She wasn't married when she got pregnant because as I understand it, point was that a young maiden would conceive of the Holy Spirit and that implies that the person is unmarried.

In other words, Jesus was born out of wedlock.

Mindfulness:
In other words, Jesus was born out of wedlock.

I don't understand the motivation behind your comments but if you think my knowledge is lacking somewhere you can go ahead and enlighten me. I don't mind being corrected if you can justify it with a reason.

Wherever your machinations are coming from is not my fault so if you're looking for holes in my comments it's your own problem.

Slawormir:
Damnnnnn niggarrr

How are we sure Mary was a virgin

Nobody is trying to convince you.

Mindfulness:
In other words, Jesus was born out of wedlock.

Have you ever stolen what belonged to you?

afemgbosey:
You lack understanding. If God can make man from clay, can he not also make man from nothing or something and place it in a woman's womb?
Use logic with wisdom bro.


Shallom

Do u even Kno dat dia is no historical proof dat any Jesus was born except the Bible.
And back to what u said if u were Joseph would u believe dis poo u just said. Well I think u might still believe u guys believe anything

sapientia:
That's the order.

Joseph was not chosen because he was special but because he was from the tribe of David.

Mary was chosen simply because Joseph decided to marry her. If Joseph decided to marry Ruth or Martha or Deborah etc, the person would have still been chosen.

So you're saying that the role was inherited by virtue of satisfying that particular requirement at that moment in time but you still don't get it because there must have been literally hundreds of people who also filled those criteria, yet Mary and Joseph were still chosen out of all those who were eligible.

koyyess:
No.

Joseph's $perm would have ruined everything.

For a perfect soul to be born, no presence of a male's $perm must be present in Mary.

God forbid that it who even be a negroe's $perm. It would have driven God crazy.

lolz

femi4:
Being a virgin is part of the sign

It validate the non Adamic nature of Jesus

Are you saying that virgins do not inherit the Adamic nature?

Listen, bro, the virginity or otherwise of Mary had nothing to do with Jesus's sinless nature.

Everyone was a virgin at one time or the other, but we were all born with Original Sin, even Mary.

The Roman Catholic Church try to change the narrative by claiming that Mary was also born immaculate (that is, without Original Sin), but there is no basis for this in Scriptures.

On the contrary, there is a verse in the Bible that counters this false teaching.

And Mary said: "My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior..." (Luke 1:46-47)

If Mary were sinless, why would she need a Savior?

In summary, Christ is sinless not because He came through a virgin, but because He is the Son of God incarnated in the womb of a human being. The womb does not matter. It could have been any womb.

midnighter:
I don't understand the motivation behind your comments but if you think my knowledge is lacking somewhere you can go ahead and enlighten me.

Wherever your machinations are coming from is not my fault so if you're looking for holes in my comments it's your own problem.

I didn't mean to upset you, sorry.

Mary was A hoe that's why she was chosen, how can a woman give birth Without impregnations? who was mary's husband or boyfriend? Was she still a virgin after giving birth to that gay Jesus? And why was Jesus never married? These are supposed to be the family Christians should copy? An unmarried Mary who gave birth to an umarried Jesus? what a Good example to follow? And so called christians are worshipping this Screw up fairytale family?


A very Messed up and disfunctional family Just like the Kardashians, i must say.