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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 11:17pm On Dec 29, 2019

Daejoyoung:
1Sharon, l guess when you say fraudulent you are referring to this writing by josephus. lt is not fraudulent, only some added parts like Christ are considered fraudulent. But even if you reject this reference to jesus, the second reference to jesus is widely considered as authentic. So it doesn't change anything.

This is the reference to jesus from josephus l believe you are talking about:

About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.
Flavius Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews, Book 18, Chapter 3, 3[43] For Greek text see [2]

This is the more authentic version agreed on by majority of scholars:

At this time there appeared Jesus, a wise man. For he was a doer of startling
deeds, a teacher of people who receive the truth with pleasure. And he gained
a following among many Jews and among many of Gentile origin. And when Pilate,
because of an accusation made by the leading men among us, condemned him to the cross,
those who had loved him previously did not cease to do so. And up until this
very day the tribe of Christians (named after him) had not died out.

(per Meier, op. cit., page 61).

The quote above is the authentic quote from josephus after removing the added parts and considering all the manuscript evidence.
Also a couple of notes here:

1) The term wise man is a common language of josephus in his writing style. Christian's hardly used that term for jesus.
2)He blamed pilate and the Roman's for the crucifixion, Christians usually blamed jews for the crucifixion.
3) He referred to the Christians as "tribe of Christians ". Definitely this is a strange way for Christians to refer to themselves and is consistent with josephus who was a jew and not a Christian.

And many other things like he saying that jesus preached to gentiles is contradictory to the new testament. Also phrases like "receive the truth with pleasure " are part of Josephine writing style

The Christian bible is book of fiction manufactured by the Romans in the first century CE.

Most historians agree that Josephus invented the Jesus story using various typologies and plagiarisations from various concepts and philosophies from all around the globe.

Josephus was one of the Roman aristocrats that authored the Christian bible.

Historians have determined all the authors of the Christian bible and their names werent James, John, Luke, Mark, Mathew or Peter.

James, John, Luke, Mark, Mathew and Peter are all characters invented by the real authors of the Christian bible; the Romans.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 11:27pm On Dec 29, 2019

The blacksic Jesus character or the Nubian Jesus character to be precise, is tantamount to Horus the son of Isis and Osiris.

All the evidence affirms that the Jesus character is fake.

All the Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counterintuitive.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Daejoyoung: 11:28pm On Dec 29, 2019

Amujale:
The Christian bible is book of fiction manufactured by the Romans in the first century CE.

Most historians agree that Josephus invented the Jesus story using various typologies and plagiarisations from various concepts and philosophies from all around the globe.

Josephus was one of the Roman aristocrats that authored the Christian bible.

Historians have determined all the authors of the Christian bible and their names werent James, John, Luke, Mark, Mathew or Peter.

James, John, Luke, Mark, Mathew and Peter are all characters invented by the real authors of the Christian bible; the Romans.

Can you give me the name of these historians who say that? Because the last time l checked, your claim is way out of academia and only maintained by fanatical atheist bloggers and not from scholars of classical works and 1st century writings.
Oh l forgot, it is you again, so give me the name of the historian who say that josephus made up the jesus story ( which is impossible because we have writings from Paul and Mark dating back decades before josephus wrote antiquity of the jews).

You don't just come making wild claims here, you should back up your claims with sources like you see in the write up from both l and MJBOLT.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by sonmvayina(op): 11:45pm On Dec 29, 2019

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OP, I see your point. However, it would be irrelevant because however many people the Lord GOD - to Whom power belongs (Psalm 62:11) - purposes to come to Him and be saved, shall come to Him... regardless of what country the Lord JESUS CHRIST could come from.

"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." - Isaiah 55:11

"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." - Romans 10:17

You are quoting the Bible from this side, because you already know about it.. Assuming the white people never came to Africa looking for slaves and resources.. And you were Yoruba and the God you know is Eledumare and his sons.. And I an ibo from the Niger delta comes to you that my God CHUKWU sent his son to die for our sins, and you should worship him... Will you?

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 12:49am On Dec 30, 2019*

Daejoyoung:
Can you give me the name of these historians who say that? Because the last time l checked, your claim is way out of academia and only maintained by fanatical atheist bloggers and not from scholars of classical works and 1st century writings.
Oh l forgot, it is you again, so give me the name of the historian who say that josephus made up the jesus story ( which is impossible because we have writings from Paul and Mark dating back decades before josephus wrote antiquity of the jews).

You don't just come making wild claims here, you should back up your claims with sources like you see in the write up from both l and MJBOLT.

The Roman authors of the bible falsified their text in various different ways, the most commonly discovered by historians is the fact that they followed the trend of earlier regional religious concepts i.e the Greeks (Hellenistic) e.t.c

Lets assume a writer that is living in 2019, publishes a book and dates it 1005.

Now since the book was advertised as been published 1005 then, all the authors are supposed to have been living in 1005. That is what the Roman aristocrats did.

(a) The Roman aristocrats authored the Christian bible in the first century and made it seem to the reader that they are authors of an earlier period in time.

(b) The Romans fabricated all of their events.

(c) The Romans impersonated their own authors. They created a character as an author in their own book.

(c) They plagerised from various earlier philosophies from all accross the globe.

(d) The Romans attempt to bastardise real history .i e twisting past events

(e) The Romans impersonated their own characters.

(f) The Romans lied about almost everything.

(g) The Romans acquired all their contexual ideas and typologies from various philosophies from all accross the globe by nefarious means and as spoils of warmongery.

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 1:10am On Dec 30, 2019*

Daejoyoung:
Can you give me the name of these historians who say tha?.

Here are the names of some of the Roman aristocrats that authored the Christian bible in the first century.

.Flavius Josephus grandfather.

.Flavius Josephus

.Pliny

.Flavius Julianus

.Flavius Julius

.Flavius Arrianus also known as Appian

Emperors and Roman monachs that played major roles include:

Emperor Titus Flavius Vespasian also known as Emperor Vespasian.

Emperor Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus also known as Emperor Titus the son of Emperor Vespasian.

Emperor Titus Flavius Caesar Domitianus Augustus also known as Emperor Domittan the junior brother to Emperor Titus.

Emperor Flavius Valerius Aurelius Contantinus Augustus also known as Constantine (I).

Members of the family of the Ptolemy dynasty i.e Ptolemy (I), Cleopatra (VII) and all the other rogue rulers of the unauthorised Ptolemaic kingdom that existed during those days.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 1:13am On Dec 30, 2019

All the Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counterintuitive.

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 1:21am On Dec 30, 2019*

Christianity did not begin as a religion, but is actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.

The story of Jesus Christ was invented by first century Romans that used it as a system of mind control to subdue their poor citizens.

Most of The Old Testaments was stolen from more older philosophies from around the world, whilst the New Testament is full of fakery and forgeries.

Professor Bruno Bauer in his work of 1877 'Christ and the Caesars", stated that he had concluded that Romans authored the New Testament and that Flavian invented the Jesus character.

Historians have been able to determine those Roman Aristocrats that wrote every chapter of the New Testament name by name.

For example, the book of Mark was the first of the Gospels to have been written, and was done in a prototype form before it was later crafted into the form we are familiar with today. The earlier version was called " Ur Marcus" and is also known as 'Q' ( Quelle, German for the source)

The earliest version of Mark shows that this was written
at about the time of Claudius Caesar, by the grandfather of Arrius Piso. That version was apparently only a bare sketch and most probably did not give a name to the 'messiah'. That appears to have been done later by the person who actually played 'Jesus' in the Gospels - Arrius Piso.

The version you are familiar with was written about the year 73 C.E. by Arrius Calpurnius Piso also known by the name Flavius Josephus.

The Gospel of Luke and Acts of the Apostles was authored 80 - 100 CE, there's general agreement between most historians that these are the works of the same Roman aristocrat . This author was said to be an "amateur Hellenistic writer", who was versed in Greek rhetoric and rhetorical devices that was used to describe sea voyages.

For more information you will want to get yourself a copy of the booklet titled 'The True Authorship of the New Testament' by Abelard Reuchlin.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Daejoyoung: 7:55am On Dec 30, 2019

Amujale:
Here are the names of some of the Roman aristocrats that authored the Christian bible in the first century.

.Flavius Josephus grandfather.

.Flavius Josephus

.Pliny

.Flavius Julianus

.Flavius Julius

.Flavius Arrianus also known as Appian

Emperors and Roman monachs that played major roles include:

Emperor Titus Flavius Vespasian also known as Emperor Vespasian.

Emperor Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus also known as Emperor Titus the son of Emperor Vespasian.

Emperor Titus Flavius Caesar Domitianus Augustus also known as Emperor Domittan the junior brother to Emperor Titus.

Emperor Flavius Valerius Aurelius Contantinus Augustus also known as Constantine (I)

Members of the family of the Ptlomey dynastic period i.e Ptlomey (I), Cleopatra e.t.c

This is nothing but conspiracy theory.l said give me names of scholars on writings of antiquity that say all these, and you've provided none. l can make up my own conspiracy theory on anything, it proves nothing. Give me proof of scholars and historians in this field from top universities across the world, who are arguing this.
There are many scholars and historians of 1st century writings who are not Christians. So give me just one citation from them that support your claim. l mean experts of josephus and co, like Bart Ehrman, Meier, etc.
Anybody can make up conspiracy theories without sound scholarship and proof. I can also make up my own for you, so it proves nothing.

Sorry this is the age of information, and arguements don't stand these days by just conspiracy theories, l mean you can keep believing them but don't tout them as facts in a public forum like this, when there is whole field of science and scholarship dedicated to this and you ignore them for your own fake bloggers and Egyptiologist who are not experts in this area and are just making things up.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Daejoyoung: 8:21am On Dec 30, 2019*

Amujale:
Christianity did not begin as a religion, but is actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.

The story of Jesus Christ was invented as a system of mind control to subdue their poor citizens.

Most of The Old Testaments was stolen from more older philosophies from around the world, whilst the New Testament is full of fakery and forgeries.

Professor Bruno Bauer in his work of 1877 'Christ and the Caesars", stated that he had concluded that Romans authored the New Testament and that Flavian invented the Jesus character

Historians have been able to determine those Roman Aristocrats that wrote every chapter of the New Testament name by name.

For example, the book of Mark was the first of the Gospels to have been written, and was done in a prototype form before it was later crafted into the form we are familiar with today. The earlier version was called " Ur Marcus" and is also known as 'Q' ( Quelle, German for the source)

The earliest version of Mark shows that this was written
at about the time of Claudius Caesar, by the grandfather of Arrius Piso. That version was apparently only a bare sketch and most probably did not give a name to the 'messiah'. That appears to have been done later by the person who actually played 'Jesus' in the Gospels - Arrius Piso.

The version you are familiar with was written about the year 73 C.E. by Arrius Calpurnius Piso also known by the name Flavius Josephus.

The Gospel of Luke and Acts of the Apostles was authored 80 - 100 CE, there's general agreement between most historians that these are the works of the same Roman aristocrat . This author was said to be an "amateur Hellenistic writer", who was versed in Greek rhetoric and rhetorica devices that was used to describe sea voyages.

For more imformation you will want to get yourself a copy of the booklet titled 'The True Authorship of the New Testament' by Abelard Reuchlin.

You Wrote....Christianity did not begin as a religion, but is actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.

Assertions again without proof, Romans cannot create a religon that is so opposed to their gods and tells the world to worship a jew and the jewish god rather than Ceasar and Roman gods or even Hercules. lt makes no sense, this is why your claim does not hold water, try again.

You Wrote...The story of Jesus Christ was invented as a system of mind control to subdue their poor citizens.

No, it has been used as a system of mind control after Rome adopted it through Constantine in the 4th Century. Besides that, it has influenced our world so greatly in very positive ways as well, and l can give you a long list of that.

You Wrote..Most of The Old Testaments was stolen from more older philosophies from around the world, whilst the New Testament is full of fakery and forgeries.

Well this is partly true, but it doesn't mean jesus did not exist or that the entire bible was forged, that is where you are not willing to deal with scholarship and critical thinking on this.

You Wrote. .Professor Bruno Bauer in his work of 1877 'Christ and the Caesars", stated that he had concluded that Romans authored the New Testament and that Flavian invented the Jesus character

And he has been proven wrong today, we now know better due to archeological discoveries in the 20th century of some ancient writings, and so from the 1970's, mainstream scholars no longer say that jesus was a myth. This is outdated information you are touting.

You Wrote..For example, the book of Mark was the first of the Gospels to have been written, and was done in a prototype form before it was later crafted into the form we are familiar with today. The earlier version was called " Ur Marcus" and is also known as 'Q' ( Quelle, German for the source)

This is so wrong, l don't even know where to start. Anyone who knows anything about biblical scholarship knows that Mark and Q are different. Q is an hypothetical gospel from scholars that probably contained sayings of jesus used by both matthew and luke but not mark. So Q is not Mark and this is obviously wrong.

You Wrote...The earliest version of Mark shows that this was written
at about the time of Claudius Caesar, by the grandfather of Arrius Piso. That version was apparently only a bare sketch and most probably did not give a name to the 'messiah'. That appears to have been done later by the person who actually played 'Jesus' in the Gospels - Arrius Piso.

Give me proof for this claim, no you can't, because you and your theorists ( who are not scholars on classical works) just made this up from your asses as usual.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Daejoyoung: 8:25am On Dec 30, 2019*

For more imformation you will want to get yourself a copy of the booklet titled 'The True Authorship of the New Testament' by Abelard Reuchlin[/quote][/quote]Abelard Reuchlin was an essayist not a scholar of historical works.

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by oaroloye(m): 10:12am On Dec 30, 2019

SHALOM!

Daejoyoung:
ok let's get something straight. For the records, jesus was neither a white man nor a black man. He was from the middle east. Not specifically white or black.

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?

The First Humans were apparently Blacks- but this fact has been covered up by Racist White Supremacists.

Their egos just cannot stand the idea that the Chosen people- the true Hebrews- were Blacks, so they have l;ied to cover up The Truth.

The people calling themselves "JEWS" today were never in THE EXODUS.

[See: THE INTERNATIONAL JEW: The World's Most Foremost Problem, by Henry Ford.]

They are Oyinbo Converts to Judaism, who adopted it as their national Religion in the 9^th Century, and gradually manuevered themselves to completely hijack the Religion for themselves, and even participated in selling many of the REAL Hebrew peoples into Slavery.

Educational brainwashing has been used to rob younger generations of the rightful knowledge of their own History.

Daejoyoung:
lf your village people bring a saviour God that teaches self sacrificial love and the kingdom of God and then dies to give this kingdom a foundation, then l would believe in that saviour.

THEN YOU WOULD BE A FOOL, BECAUSE ONLY A MEMBER OF THE SOLE EXISTING COVENANT WITH GOD: THE CREATOR COULD SAVE THE SINNERS OF THE WORLD.

Daejoyoung:
The jesus story in the bible is like the joseph story. Joseph a wise man, was put in the pit by his brothers but rose out of the pit to save the world during the time of famine by giving the world corn from the most powerful kingdom in the world then( the kingdom of Egypt) where Joseph ruled from the throne, subordinate to only Pharaoh. So also jesus is the bread of life that gives the world the word of God to make their spirits come alive. Jesus is seated at the right hand of God, and rules with God.

YOSEF ONLY BECAUSE A SAVIOUR OF HIS PEOPLE, BECAUSE OF HIS GREAT-GRANDFATHER'S COVENANT WITH GOD.

Only if GOD has told you that Lord Yeshua is Saviour can you come unto him.

If you are not such a person as hears The Voice of God, you cannot come to Lord Yeshua.

We were supposed to have spent our teenage years learning to hear The Voice of God.

This is why 99% of Christians are embarassing failures.

They "put the cart before the horse:" they try to parade themselves as "Christians" first, and LATER try to learn- if at all- how to hear The Voice of God. They never recognize It when they hear It in their own minds, or from someone else's mouth.

It is pathetic.

Daejoyoung:
Also in the Jewish myth, when God told Abraham to sacrifice isaac, this made no sense because it would have ended the promise God made to Abraham to bless the world through the progeny of isaac, but Abraham reasoned that death was not a barrier because God is able to raise isaac from the dead, so also when jesus(the promised one) died, this was not a barrier to the promise, because jesus is still fulfilling the promise until this day, jesus through his death has conquered the world and gained more followers from every tribe, nation, and tongue, which he bought with his blood according to the book of Revelations.

That is the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham.

Believing that God is The Creator, Who never breaks His Promises makes sense.

God never makes a "senseless" request, nor issues "nonsense" Commands.

Anyone calling God's Word "nonsensical" cannot know God.

We must be careful how we talk about God.

We should also be careful how we talk about Lord Yeshua, and his Gospel.

Nothing is gained, in the long run, by EXAGGERATION.

The New Testament term "WORLD" does not mean the same thing as in modern English.

"World" in the Greek New Testament basically means "CIVILIZATION."

The Civilizations of the Earth seek to keep Humans from direct contact with God.

This is what Lord Yeshua overcame.

Anyone who follows his Instructions can achieve the same triumph over the "WORLD."

However, this cannot be done, should we deviate from ANY of his Sacred Instructions from God.

That would mean that the World has overcome us, and we that are the Slaves of the Controller of the World- namely, THE DEVIL.

Lord Yeshua did not CONQUER the World.

If he had, the World should have obeyed him thereafter.

What he did was to OVERCOME the World.

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Exjoker(m): 11:40am On Dec 30, 2019

MJBOLT:
nobody asked you for story,provide proof of jesus existence based on historical facts even the historians that lived during jesus supposed time did not write about him.

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Apart from being a religious book, the Bible is also historical book. Historians like John, Matthew, Mark and Luke documented the history of Jesus Christ. Can you name any historian apart from these men listed above here that lives in the same time period with Jesus Christ huh

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by MJBOLT: 11:49am On Dec 30, 2019

historical book filled with lies,contradictions and stories from other early religions and civilizations.mentioning fictional characters like luke,matthew,mark is not proof of jesus existence.i already mentioned 3 historians known to have lived during jesus time who did not mention jesus,show me proof of jesus existence outside the bible or keep off my mentions.

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Exjoker:
Apart from being a religious book, the Bible is also historical book. Historians like John, Matthew, Mark and Luke documented the history of Jesus Christ. Can you name any historian apart from these men listed above here that lives in the same time period with Jesus Christ?

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by budaatum: 2:01pm On Dec 30, 2019

Amujale:
For more imformation you will want to get yourself a copy of the booklet titled 'The True Authorship of the New Testament' by Abelard Reuchlin.

Pdf download The True Authorship of the New Testament' by Abelard Reuchlin

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by budaatum: 2:04pm On Dec 30, 2019

Daejoyoung:
This is nothing but conspiracy theory.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 2:36pm On Dec 30, 2019

Daejoyoung:
This is nothing but conspiracy theory.l said give me names of scholars on writings of antiquity that say all these, and you've provided none. l can make up my own conspiracy theory on anything, it proves nothing. Give me proof of scholars and historians in this field from top universities across the world, who are arguing this.
There are many scholars and historians of 1st century writings who are not Christians. So give me just one citation from them that support your claim. l mean experts of josephus and co, like Bart Ehrman, Meier, etc.
Anybody can make up conspiracy theories without sound scholarship and proof. I can also make up my own for you, so it proves nothing.

Sorry this is the age of information, and arguements don't stand these days by just conspiracy theories, l mean you can keep believing them but don't tout them as facts in a public forum like this, when there is whole field of science and scholarship dedicated to this and you ignore them for your own fake bloggers and Egyptiologist who are not experts in this area and are just making things up.

It has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus is a fictitious character that was invented by the Romans.

Furthermore, majority of the genuine modern day historians all agree that Josephus invented the Jesus story.

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by budaatum: 3:01pm On Dec 30, 2019

Amujale:
It has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus is a fictitious character that was invented by the Romans.

Furthermore, majority of the genuine modern day historians all agree that Josephus invented the Jesus story.

This is not true! It has obviously not "been proven beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus is a fictitious character that was invented by the Romans", and the "majority of the genuine modern day historians" do not all agree that Josephus invented the Jesus story!

You ruin your argument when you resort to the exact same behaviour you accuse the Bible authors of! You are asking to be believed without providing evidence (despite my assistance!).

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by musicwriter(m): 3:09pm On Dec 30, 2019*

sonmvayina:
If Jesus was a black Nigerian or Ghanaian, would African worship him?.. I know white people won't, so I am not going there...

If it was my village people from oshimili North local government area.. That brought a saviour concept to the rest of the world and Nigeria would we worship him as God?.... And our saviour... If his name was ifeanyi Okeke.. Would we?..

We would have worshiped him. Indeed, we already had Horus (a black virgin born, resurrected savior) in Africa, more than 5,000 years before anybody heard of Jesus.

But, you're right, white people didn't worship Horus when they arrived Africa, instead, when they arrived Africa for the first time (from 323 BC) they created a new Savior called Ptolemy, nicknamed Soteir, which means SAVIOR. This was later to evolve to Jesus (Sorteir) Christ.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 3:10pm On Dec 30, 2019*

Here's some of Ptolemy and Emperor Constantine (I) involvements:-

The Ecumenical Council that was held in Nicea 325 CE is the part of the overwhelming evidence that Jesus is a fictitious character.

The Romans invented the Jesus character in the first century CE.

Basically the Jesus started off as an ordinary character no different to one that preached a philosophy no different to that of Serapis Christus and as time went on the authors of the Christian bible has updated his characterisrics making him up on a continous bases until they arrived at their current character.

The Roman version of Christianity, the current version of Christianity was manufactured in the first century CE.

According to Roman history, the Council of Nicea also known as the Ecumenical Councils were legally convened assembles of the ecclesiastical dignitaries and so-called theological experts (of the government of Rome) for the express purpose of discussing and regulating matters of doctrine and discipline at the orders of Emperor Costantine (I).

Over 20 councils were convened between 325 and 1870 CE.

These Councils actually created authoritative decrees, they actually passed so-called 'laws' as to what is and what isnt, what one is allowed to think and what one isnt allowed to say.

What caused the Council of Nicea to convene in 325 CE ?

Well, that would have to take us back to KM.T. and the first European Pharaoh; Ptolemy the first also known as Soter (ca. 367-283 BCE).

Ptolemy the first became pharoah of Egypt due to an agressive invasion as per Alexander the Greek also known as Alexander of Macedon.

Through Ptolemy, came Soteriology.

Soteriology is the doctrine or the study of salvation.

Ptolemy insisted that the people of KM.T consecrate him as a god, similar to the way they did with their Pharoahs at the time; essentially to make him Pharoah and the people of KM.T turned him down.

Giving the reasons that he wasnt worthy, Ptolemy didnt belong in KM.T in the first place and that the only reason he was in the position he was, is because of Alexandra's unjust military campaign of invasion into their domain.

Ptolemy the first then took upon himself these self- proclaimations:

Meryamun
Setepenre

Ramensu Meryamun

Mery - beloved

Amun - god.

Meryamun means beloved by god.

Setepenre

Setepen - chosen

Re (Ra) - god.

Setepenre means chosen by god.

Ptolemy wasnt given these names, he took it upon himself.

He insisted that they make an image in his honour, the Egyptians didnt want anything to does with that type of thinking and then he began putting them to the sword until he found a group of sell-outs Coptic Egyptians in Memphis; and they consecrated him to the office of Pharoah and they made an image. And this image is called 'Serapis'

Probably using the combination of Apis and Osiris to create Serapis ca.350 BCE.

Serapis was taken out of Egypt to become the greco-roman god Serapis Christus ca. 135 BCE.

Ptolemy the firsr tried to incorporate the religion of the Greeks into Egypt; thereby creating a new god in honour of himself. i.e Serapis.

The current image of the Jesus character is actually Serapis, the image that was made in honour of Ptolemy the first.

Aries tried his best at the time to stop them, pointing out to the people that Serapis isnt a god, he's an image of a European imposter; and was one that was part of an evil invasion rather than a virtuous person.

The Nicean council lasted for two months and four days, 318 theological dignatries were hosted by Emperor Constantine (I) himself.

The Nicean creed was an unauthorized an unethical decree that was canonized by 318 Roman theologians at the Council of Nicea in 325 CE.

Anyone can get there hands on the Nicean creed, its the false narratives that the Roman Catholic church tells itself everyday.

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by musicwriter(m): 3:15pm On Dec 30, 2019

Daejoyoung:
ok let's get something straight. For the records, jesus was neither a white man nor a black man. He was from the middle east. Not specifically white or black.
lf your village people bring a saviour God that teaches self sacrificial love and the kingdom of God and then dies to give this kingdom a foundation, then l would believe in that saviour.

The jesus story in the bible is like the joseph story. Joseph a wise man, was put in the pit by his brothers but rose out of the pit to save the world during the time of famine by giving the world corn from the most powerful kingdom in the world then( the kingdom of Egypt) where Joseph ruled from the throne, subordinate to only Pharaoh. So also jesus is the bread of life that gives the world the word of God to make their spirits come alive. Jesus is seated at the right hand of God, and rules with God.

Also in the Jewish myth, when God told Abraham to sacrifice isaac, this made no sense because it would have ended the promise God made to Abraham to bless the world through the progeny of isaac, but Abraham reasoned that death was not a barrier because God is able to raise isaac from the dead, so also when jesus(the promised one) died, this was not a barrier to the promise, because jesus is still fulfilling the promise until this day, jesus through his death has conquered the world and gained more followers from every tribe, nation, and tongue, which he bought with his blood according to the book of Revelations.

That is the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham.

The promise to Abraham is a myth!. Please grow up!.

There was no Abraham, there was no promise to him, there was no God promising Abraham anything.

Its a story!!

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 3:17pm On Dec 30, 2019

musicwriter:
We would have worshiped him. Indeed, we already had Horus (a black virgin born, resurrected savior) in Africa, more than 5,000 years before anybody heard of Jesus.

But, you're right, white people didn't worship Horus when they arrived Africa, instead, when they arrived African for the first time (from 323 BC) they created a new Savior called Ptolemy, nicknamed Soteir, which means SAVIOR. This was later to evolve to Jesus (Sorteir) Christ.

Precisely, Soter was responsible for the invention of Serapis Christus.

Romans assimilated all of the Serapis Christus concepts and his image into their version of Christianity.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 3:19pm On Dec 30, 2019

All the Abrahamic religions are sophisticated tools of propaganda that have been manufactured as a means of mind control and brainwash.

There isnt one character or storyline inside of all of Abrahamic religious text that can lay claim to being original.

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Daejoyoung: 3:20pm On Dec 30, 2019

musicwriter:
The promise to Abraham is a myth!. Please grow up!.

There was no Abraham, there was no promise to him, there was no God promising Abraham anything.

Its a story!!

What's this one saying? and since when did myth equate to falsehood?

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by budaatum: 3:21pm On Dec 30, 2019

Amujale:
You are a liar and a faker now jog along.

Make me jog along, I beg you please.

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by musicwriter(m): 3:27pm On Dec 30, 2019

Daejoyoung:
The historians that lived in jesus time also did not write about any jew. We know about many jews of the first century today due to the writings of josephus who lived towards the end of the first century.
Caiaphas was the most important religous jew in the time of jesus but we have no contemporary writings about him until josephus, infact we have more records about jesus than about any jew from the first century as a whole.

The job of the historians were not to write about Jews, rather they were writing anything of interest. Below are historians that lived at the same time Jesus was supposed to have lived.

Livy
Born: 59 BC
Died: 17 AD
Profession: Historian
Full name: Titus Livius
Nationality: Roman

Philo
Born: 25 BC (Egypt)
Died: 50 AD
Full name: Philo Judaeus
Profession: Philosopher & author
Nephews: Tiberius Julius Alexander, Marcus Julius Alexander
Siblings: Alexander the Alabarch
Nationality: Egypt

Seneca
Born 4 BC
Died AD 65 (aged 68–69)
Profession: philosopher & poet
Nationality: Roman

Elder Pliny
Born: 23 AD
Died: August 25th, 79 AD
Full name: Gaius Plinius Secundus
Nationality: Roman
Children: Pliny the Younger

There are many of such great philosophers, poets, historians, leaders; being cited in history as living during the same time Jesus was supposed to have lived. Yet, none of them mentioned Jesus or a Messiah throughout their writings. These authors were like the newspapers of their day and they recorded every important event, but none of them said anything about Jesus.

How can a story of someone resurrecting from the dead not be of interest to anybody who lived in Jesus time? Tell me why not one historian of his time recorded his virgin birth, walking on water, resurrection, ascension into heaven. What could have been more important than a story of a man walking on water?

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 3:29pm On Dec 30, 2019

budaatum:
Make me jog along, I beg you please.

I've edited previous post, no need for uneccesary distractions.

African progress is more important to us than trivial stuff.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by sonmvayina(op): 3:30pm On Dec 30, 2019

So the only thing I have been able to deduce since is most of us don't even do any independent research.. We just wait for people to feed us with most times bull shit.. And all we do is just believe out of fear...
It is obvious that if the Jesus story originated from somewhere in delta state most people will not believe it..
The Jesus story has no foundation in the old testament or Judaism.. As no where did God ever said he was sending his son to come and die for sins... He already provided a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd Chronicles 7 :14

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by musicwriter(m): 3:34pm On Dec 30, 2019

Daejoyoung:
What's this one saying? and since when did myth equate to falsehood?

Yes, myth is not falsehood but they're not meant to be taken literally. Its a story teaching something else but which you have taken literally.

There was no God talking to any man called Abraham.

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by sonmvayina(op): 3:39pm On Dec 30, 2019

budaatum:
This is not true! It has obviously not "been proven beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus is a fictitious character that was invented by the Romans", and the "majority of the genuine modern day historians" do not all agree that Josephus invented the Jesus story!

You ruin your argument when you resort to the exact same behaviour you accuse the Bible authors of! You are asking to be believed without providing evidence (despite my assistance!).

Is there anywhere in the old testament that God said he was sending his son to come and die for sins?.. Be sincere.. If not where did the Jesus story come from.. Definitely not from the Jews or Judaism..

Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by Amujale(m): 3:46pm On Dec 30, 2019*

Daejoyoung:
.. give me names of scholars on writings of antiquity that say all these, and you've provided none. l can make up my own conspiracy theory on anything, it proves nothing. Give me proof of scholars and historians in this field from top universities across the world, who are arguinh this.

This isnt a conspiracy at all, instead this is the results of genuine historical facts.

The Jesus character was invented in the first century CE during the reign of the Flavians.

Especially, the Roman Emperor Titus Vespasianus Augustus often refered to as Emperor Titus.

Some historians go far as pointing out the fact that it isnt a coincidence that the biblical movement of the Jesus character mirrors the military campaign of Emperor Titus himself.

The Jesus character was invented in the first century CE.

One can as well research that oneself or watch the world reknowned historian Joseph Atwill disect an excerpt from 'The Flavian Signature' of his own book "Caesar's Messiah"

Statement by Joseph Atwill - excerpt from "The Flavian Signature"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omi6lN5b0Ic

In his lecture, Joseph Atwill shows us a comprehensive blue print on the typology the authors of Abrahamic religious text used during their invention of the Jesus character.

Proof Romans Invented the Jesus Character - The Flavian Signature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UqG8w7ezUQ

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Re: If Jesus Was Black,... by musicwriter(m): 3:53pm On Dec 30, 2019

Daejoyoung:
l'm not sure you are familiar with this topic at all, philo was more into philosophy and political matters and we don't get so much information about religous people at the time or even contemporary jews from his writings, we get them mainly from josephus.
Your criteria is wrong, we do not have contemporary writings about many historical people we know of today, not even the Ceasars. lt is usually after they are gone, sometimes decades and even hundreds of years.
ln the case of jesus, we have paul who narrates his story in Galatians in AD 51, and who knew peter and james ( the brother of jesus), and speaks to his readers about them as though the readers were already familiar with these characters from the Jerusalem church. lt means just few years after the death of jesus, we already have paul who converted and there's evidence of a church and churches.
The other characters you mention apart from philo, can you show me evidence those were contemporaries of jesus?

Paul never saw Jesus and nobody in history said he did. Everything by so called Paul was what he made up. He said so himself!!. Paul himself said that ''verily I tell you, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not according to man. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.'' Galatians chapter 1: 11-12.

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