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MuttleyLaff:
ERR ERRRR! Wrong. Smh.
Daejoyoung, I am sure you know what the meaning of Jesus is and also equally know what the meaning of Christ is, lol.

In addition, for someone to say: "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." doesnt sound like who isnt sure of who He is, lol

At least Peter said about Jesus: "You are, the Christ, the Son of the living God."



Lol, if only more christians properly brush up their bibles and truthfully read it, there'd be less christians.

You need to believe in more than those two, lol

l used "seem", because l am replying someone who doesn't even believe that jesus existed in the first place. So l used "seem" so as not to bring back that debate with him. l believe jesus knew who he was.

l am confused, why should l believe in something more than the kingdom of God ( something jesus talked about throughout his ministry)?

Also what do you mean by "lf many Christians read their bible, there would be less Christians today" ? you lost me here.

musicwriter:
If so, then you're contradicting yourself.

No messiah was promised to anybody. Its a legend.

No messiah came before. Its a white supeemacist story.

No Messiah is coming.

No l am not contradicting myself

The world has always needed a hero, someone, a leader, who can uplift their spirits and display power over sufferings, diseases, sicknesses, and perhaps even death. Humans have always been in search of the ideal world of happiness (the kingdom of God).

Jesus is the Messaiah and he has bought for himself a kingdom by the sacrifice of himself.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, еxcept a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

John 12v24

Jesus has given us his spirit, so that as his body( the new Israel) we would show what the kingdom of God should be like.

Daejoyoung:
No l am not contradicting myself

The world has always needed a hero, someone, a leader, who can uplift their spirits and display power over sufferings, diseases, sicknesses, and perhaps even death. Humans have always been in search of the ideal world of happiness (the kingdom of God).

Jesus is the Messaiah and he has bought for himself a kingdom by the sacrifice of himself.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, еxcept a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

John 12v24

Jesus has given us his spirit, so that as his body( the new Israel) we would show what the kingdom of God should be like.

Thousands of years bedore anybody heard of Jesus, there were already several hero characters who were born by a virgin, did miracles, walked on water, were killed by enemies, were crucified, died and resurrected. More than 10 "saviors" already did all that before your Jesus, namely; Horus, Dionysus, Mithra, Buddha, Quelzaoatl, Zoroaster, etc.

So, the Jesus story wasn't the first of such story. The story is older than Jesus. If you're looking for a Messiah, an African called Horus already saved you. Jesus is just a European plagiarism given to conquered people like you.

Daejoyoung:
l used "seem", because l am replying someone who doesn't even believe that Jesus existed in the first place. So l used "seem" so as not to bring back that debate with him

Not at all a good and/or valid reason to use "seem." Are you aware the damage that might be done to others reading, who now thinking to themselves, "ah, ho-oh. Seem? So this Jesus guy is an opportunist to the last, believing He was that promised one, when He really isnt" hmm?

Daejoyoung:
l believe Jesus knew who He was.

What and what makes you believe Jesus knew who He was?

Daejoyoung:
l am confused, why should l believe in something more than the kingdom of God (something Jesus talked about throughout his ministry)?

Hmm, I love how you said "something Jesus talked about throughout His ministry". Anyway, you might be pleased that the kingdom of God is here, because you believe there's equity, there's goodness, there's the right to non-discrimination on the grounds of sex/gender, there's righteousness, there's power, there's eternal life, there's hope, there's salvation, there's redemption, there's grace, there's forgiveness, there's agape love, there's etcetera in the kingdom of God, lol.

Daejoyoung:
Also what do you mean by "if many Christians read their bible, there would be less Christians today" ? you lost me here.

I wont worry myself over the comment, if I were you, because if not immediately now, sooner or later you'll get it.

musicwriter:
Thousands of years bedore anybody heard of Jesus, there were already several hero characters who were born by a virgin, did miracles, walked on water, were killed by enemies, were crucified, died and resurrected. More than 10 "saviors" already did all that before your Jesus, namely; Horus, Dionysus, Mithra, Buddha, Quelzaoatl, Zoroaster, etc.

So, the Jesus story wasn't the first of such story. The story is older than Jesus. If you're looking for a Messiah, an African called Horus already saved you. Jesus is just a European plagiarism given to conquered people like you.

ok if Horus did it, then he was also reflecting that idea. But Horus is not jesus, the so called similarities between Horus and jesus are exaggerated.
Whatever the case, Horus never said:

Come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden and l would give you rest.

MuttleyLaff:
Not at all a good and/or valid reason to use "seem." Are you aware the damage that might be done to others reading, who now thinking to themselves, "ah, ho-oh. Seem? So this Jesus guy is an opportunist to the last, believing He was that promised one, when He really isnt" hmm?

What and what makes you believe Jesus knew who He was?

Hmm, I love how you said "something Jesus talked about throughout His ministry". Anyway, you might be pleased that the kingdom of God is here, because you believe there's equity, there's goodness, there's the right to non-discrimination on the grounds of sex/gender, there's righteousness, there's power, there's eternal life, there's hope, there's salvation, there's redemption, there's grace, there's forgiveness, there's agape love, there's etcetera in the kingdom of God, lol.

I wont worry myself over the comment, if I were you, because if not immediately now, sooner or later you'll get it.

Well for the first time you have succeeded in losing me completely. l don't understand your reply this time, and you are not making it easy for my brain, lol. Anyway in the end l believe deeds are more important than what we believe or don't believe.

Daejoyoung:
ok if Horus did it, then he was also reflecting that idea. But Horus is not jesus, the so called similarities between Horus and jesus are exaggerated.
Whatever the case, Horus never said:

Come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden and l would give you rest.

That is what somebody who wasn't there said he said... And you just believed.. Define mumu.. Pleass

sonmvayina:
That is what somebody who wasn't there said he said... And you just believed.. Define mumu.. Pleass

That's the point, why didn't the followers of Horus ascribe that to Horus? For this man to have such an influence on his followers that Horus didn't have, tells me he must be greater than Horus in a way, it's just common sense.

Daejoyoung:
ok if Horus did it, then he was also reflecting that idea. But Horus is not jesus, the so called similarities between Horus and jesus are exaggerated.
Whatever the case, Horus never said:

Come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden and l would give you rest.

All the bible quotes were actually copied from older sayings by older saviours. Do unto others as you'll have them do unto you, reap what you sow, love thy God your God, thou shall not kill, thou shall not lie, come to me all ye that labour, I am the way the truth and life, love thy neighbor as yourself, No one cometh to the father exept by me, etc, were copied from older saviors into the bible and Koran.

The saying "no one cometh to the father except by me" was first claimed by Horus here in Africa and it was documented 5,000 years before anybody heard of Jesus. This's why the older books have to be outlawed by Rome once the bible was written.

Ask yourself; why would the Roman empire outlaw older books after writing the bible?

Daejoyoung:
That's the point, why didn't the followers of Horus ascribe that to Horus? For this man to have such an influence on his followers that Horus didn't have, tells me he must be greater than Horus in a way, it's just common sense.

So when Harry Potter said Professor Albus Dambuldore was the greatest sorcerer in the word, does he mean he is right?.. The unknown author of the gospels wrote it in their story does not mean it is true.. Or real.. It is just a story.

musicwriter:
All the bible quotes were actually copied from older sayings by older saviours. Do unto others as you'll have them do unto you, reap what you sow, love thy God your God, thou shall not kill, thou shall not lie, come to me all ye that labour, I am the way the truth and life, No one cometh to the father exept by me, etc, were copied from older saviors into the bible and Koran.

The saying "no one cometh to the father except by me" was first claimed by Horus here in Africa and it was documented 5,000 years before anybody heard of Jesus. This's why the older books have to be outlawed by Rome once the bible was written.

Ask yourself; why would the Roman empire outlaw older books after writing the bible?

Can you back up your claim sometimes, l challenge you to give me the similarities between Horus and Jesus from reputable sources. l am waiting. All those so called similarities are exaggerated. l have debunked these things several times here and it's tiring.

Also if you know anything about 1st century Judaism, then you would see how foolish it is for someone to invent a crucified messaiah, it just doesn't sell and it was a problem to the growth of early christianity. This is part of why scholars are convinced jesus existed and was truly crucified. This is why paul said the preaching of the cross may be foolishness to the gentiles and a stumbling block to the jews, but to us it is the power and wisdom of God.

Give me similarities between jesus and Buddha, Horus, and Mithrias.

Again l repeat: These claims are not accepted
generally from reputable historians on classical antiquity and they are outdated and false.

Also give me evidence of this quote from Horus, l'm waiting. Atheists accuse religious people of being dogmatic and not used to critical thinking, but these kind of arguments are silly and atheists like you are not willing to look at the evidence from the consensus of Historians who study it.

When you quote historical consensus and scholarly works on these matters, then l would take your claim more seriously.

Daejoyoung:
Well for the first time you have succeeded in losing me completely.

There's always a first time for everything, lol. You had a long run, keeping up, though, lol

Daejoyoung:
l don't understand your reply this time, and you are not making it easy for my brain, lol.

Daejoyoung, dont push it, dont force it, it will come naturally. It will surely happen, if its meant to, so let it just happen naturally, lol. Patience is a virtue.

Daejoyoung:
Anyway in the end l believe deeds are more important than what we believe or don't believe.

Deeds (i.e. actions) and believe (i.e. conviction/belief/faith) are twins, not separated at birth Daejoyoung

sonmvayina:
So when Harry Potter said Professor Albus Dambuldore was the greatest sorcerer in the word, does he mean he is right?.. The unknown author of the gospels wrote it in their story does not mean it is true.. Or real.. It is just a story.

of course it's a story, and a powerful story than that of Horus or Harry Potter. Obviously it has had more influence whether we like it or not.

Daejoyoung:
of course it's a story, and a powerful story than that of Horus or Harry Potter. Obviously it has had more influence whether we like it or not.

I am beginning to understand your style in writing and/how you construct your comments, the way you sometimes do. Take for example, someone not having knowledge in how you sometimes type, would be forgiven to think that you really believe, its a story, lol

MuttleyLaff:
I am beginning to understand your style in writing and/how you construct your comments, the way you sometimes do. Take for example, someone not having knowledge of how you sometimes type, would be forgiven to think that you really believe its a story, lol

lol you are smart.

Daejoyoung:
lol you are smart.

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I wanted to be smart
and be like you when growing up, lol

MuttleyLaff:
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I wanted to be smart
and be like you when growing up, lol

lol, learning from you baba

Daejoyoung:
Can you back up your claim sometimes, l challenge you to give me the similarities between Horus and Jesus from reputable sources. l am waiting. All those so called similarities are exaggerated. l have debunked these things several times here and it's tiring.

Also if you know anything about 1st century Judaism, then you would see how foolish it is for someone to invent a crucified messaiah, it just doesn't sell and it was a problem to the growth of early christianity. This is part of why scholars are convinced jesus existed and was truly crucified. This is why paul said the preaching of the cross may be foolishness to the gentiles and a stumbling block to the jews, but to us it is the power and wisdom of God.

Give me similarities between jesus and Buddha, Horus, and Mithrias.

Again l repeat: These claims are not accepted
generally from reputable historians on classical antiquity and they are outdated and false.

Also give me evidence of this quote from Horus, l'm waiting. Atheists accuse religious people of being dogmatic and not used to critical thinking, but these kind of arguments are silly and atheists like you are not willing to look at the evidence from the consensus of Historians who study it.

When you quote historical consensus and scholarly works on these matters, then l would take your claim more seriously.

Are you ready to read it in a book? Because its even in drawing!!

Everything from the bibles concept of heaven, hell, resurrection are all found in the book of coming forth by day and night a.k.a the book of the dead.

In the below drawing made several thousands of years before anybody heard of Jesus, Horus (the resurrected son of God Osiris) is seen holding a cross while taking a dead man through the gate of hell. The emblem of cross signified SALVATION before Jesus!!.

Fortunately, the dead man made it through the gate of hell and he is seen taking him to the father (Osiris/God) on his throne because it was said that he (Horus) is the way, the truth and life. No one cometh to the father (Osiris) except by him.

Its in drawing for all to see!!

NB: Should anybody need the full story in the book of the dead, email: kemeticphilosophy@gmail

Just a quickie.

The scenario I narrated above could be viewed in the 2 short video clips below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxm4D0GDod0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu80lggYeYs

Daejoyoung:
lol, learning from you baba

MuttleyLaff:
Jesu proceeded from God, just as your spoken or written words here on Nairaland proceeded from you, they always from the word go are you and they a full extension of you, so is Jesus Christ, the Word that became flesh by taking on human form, is God, is an extension of God.

Jesus Christ, who is the Word, proceeded from God. Jesus Christ is God projecting Himself out on earth as Jesus Christ. God and Jesus Christ are one. God is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is God. God had all this planned even before the foundation of the world, that He will come and appear on earth as Jesus Christ.

It is similar to, there is one H₂O, but when solid, its static and hard, when liquid, its fluid and flows, and when gaseous, its free, invisible, untouchable etcetera

Jesus was not created by God, rather God projected Himself out into Mary for Him to be birthed on earth, and come to legally exist as a human being on earth for the purpose and plan of redemption He needed to carry out

Jesus is the, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, as proven in John 1:1-2 above, and it cancels out anyone's earlier statement like in above quote, of Jesus being created by God. How can God create God, Himself, when God is already in existence, hmm? That's just impossicant, but God projecting Himself, isnt impossicant. Capisce?

That Jesus said that He proceeded out of God is a statement of fact. It doesnt anyway implies that His Deity has an origin nor does it take away from Him being Self Existent. Jesus is God aseity, period.

ERR ERRRR! Wrong. No. There's nothing like learning from you baba, lol.

Daejoyoung, MuttleyLaff is a human being just like you. Learn from the Spirit of Truth instead, the Spirit of Truth who goes out from the Father, the Helper, the Holy Spirit, He will guide you into all truth. He will teach you all things, lol. Smart people, in addition, always verify info by looking in the bible.

I have not seen a straight forward answer so far... If the saviour of the world concept was Brought to Nigeria by the igbos.. Will Yoruba believe the story and worship him as God, the binis too, Ijaw.... Etc, will our African brothers worship him....?.. We know that white people won't... "they will Tel us that God is not a man or human being and that their God hates human sacrifice so therfore ifeanyi Okeke can't be an acceptable sacrifice.. And atonement is a personal thing and involves a process of confessing and forsaking of one's evil ways... Bla Bla..... Would we worship him?

The Jesus character is an adaptation of various older religioussic characters from all across the globe i.e Apis, Buddha, Dionysus, Ela, Horus, Krishna, Merlin, Osiris, Romulus, Serapis e.t.c

Especially Horus the son of Isis and Osiris.

Pyramid Texts dated Horu's rule as Pharoah of KM.T c. 2400-2300 BCE.

Jesus was supposedly born on 0 B.C.E; obviously theres no such date as 0 B.C.E but thats their claim.

The similarities between the Jesus character and that of Horus are too numerous for it to be down to coincidence.

(1) Horus was miraculously conceived.

(2) His birth was accompanied by heavenly bodies

(3) His birth was attended by angelssic.

(4) His birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star).

(5) He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants who feared that the divine child would supplant his kingdom.

(6) Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the street at the time of winter solstice.

(7) Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer.

(8.) He was baptized in the River Eridanus

(9) The missions of Horus and Jesus were the same - the salvation of humanity.

(10) Horus worked miracles and wonders such as raising the dead and healing the sick, the deaf and the blind. e.t.c Horus was said to have "stilled the seas by his power"

(11) Horus was taken from the desert up a mountain by his arch rival Seth; where he was said to later resist temptation

"I am Horus in glory . . . I am the Lord of the Light . . . I am the victorious one . . . I am the heir of endless time . . . I, even I, am he that knoweth the path of heaven"

(12) Isis is the Graecinzed form of the KM.Tic goddess Au-Set, She is also called Meri. Jesus mother is called Mary.

Isis/Horus vs Mary/Jesus

"I am Horus, the Prince of Eternity"

"I am Horus who stepeth onward through eternity . . . Eternity and everlasting is my name"


These are extracts from the Book of Going forth by Day.

sonmvayina:
I don't need to hear about it... I don't need a book to tell me I have to respect my parents or elders.. It comes naturally..
In my village we don't even kill anybody no matter how grevious the crime is.. We banish or send to the evil forest.. So if Jesus was from my part of town.. He would have lived to a ripe old age..

Jesus, and the Bible, is not only about 'do not kill'. I've repeatedly said it is responsible for you knowing about a lot of the things you say here, and without it you would not even know about the Torah or be able to read even. Or do you not understand that the Bible is a collection of books, like a library for you to read and question and understand?

Please know that I am in complete agreement with you if your rant is against believing. But to not read it all? I doubt you'd be as intelligent as you are or know half the stuff your research has enabled you to understand if you hadn't read the Bible.

Most wouldn't know anything about their local history without it, not to talk of that of Rome, the Jews, or even Egypt. And you just need see how the nations that brought you it have developed to understand how beneficial it has been. Nigerians are walking across the Sahara Desert and swimming across the Channel to get to the heaven they created with it. You'd hear them call home a zoo.

But if you doubt me, see who has a longer life. I've added Japan so you know it's not Christianity that is responsible for living long, but learning, which the West did through Christianity and Japan through their religion, and which we as Nigerians are doing through religion evidenced by you using it as a topic to educate and enlighten me.

sonmvayina:
I have not seen a straight forward answer so far... If the saviour of the world concept was Brought to Nigeria by the igbos.. Will Yoruba believe the story and worship him as God, the binis too, Ijaw.... Etc, will our African brothers worship him....?..

The answer is yes, if what the Igbos bring to the Yorubas is seen to be superior to what the Yorubas already have.

Only stupid ignorant people would cling on to what is inferior. And no, I'm not saying what Yorubas have is inferior, just that those who brought us the religion you are so against were so much more superior in their propagating methods - deceit, guns, books, preachers, none of which we they brought these things to had and so were not able to resist them.

If Egypt had been so smart in propagating their knowledge, Osiris would likely be our god today and Horus would have shown us how to live eternally on earth perhaps. The smart nations know this. We were once British, but are now more America inclined with China hoping to Chinarise us while we refuse to Igborise or Yorubanise ourselves.

The main difference btw Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric ideologies vs African spirituality is that the former are malicious fakery whilst the latter is sacred.

Furthermore, research into World history allows the understanding that suggest 'religion' is a direct adaptation of African spirituality.

Africans are the first people in human history capable enough to perceive the concept of God.

That is to say, African spirituality is sacred.

African spirituality doesnt intend to propagate or proselytize.

Some aspects of African spirituality remains classified.

African history is the combination of secular and classified history.

African history is the only narrative that ought to be taught in our classrooms.

Amujale:
The main difference btw Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric ideologies vs African spirituality is that the former are malicious fakery whilst the latter is sacred.

Furthermore, research into World history allows the understanding that suggest 'religion' is a direct adaptation of African spirituality.

Africans are the first people in human history capable enough to perceive the concept of God.

That is to say, African spirituality is sacred.

African spirituality doesnt intend to propagate or proselytize.

Some aspects of African spirituality remains classified.

African history is the combination of secular and classified history.

African history is the only narrative that ought to be taught in our classrooms.

Where are the writings for this African history? Writings matter my friend. That is the staying power of the Abrahamic religions.
l am ready to read African spiritual books of old if you can provide me with them.

budaatum:
The answer is yes, if what the Igbos bring to the Yorubas is seen to be superior to what the Yorubas already have.

Only stupid ignorant people would cling on to what is inferior. And no, I'm not saying what Yorubas have is inferior, just that those who brought us the religion you are so against were so much more superior in their propagating methods - deceit, guns, books, preachers, none of which we they brought these things to had and so were not able to resist them.

If Egypt had been so smart in propagating their knowledge, Osiris would likely be our god today and Horus would have shown us how to live eternally on earth perhaps. The smart nations know this. We were once British, but are now more America inclined with China hoping to Chinarise us while we refuse to Igborise or Yorubanise ourselves.

I can't make or or tail of this your post...

sonmvayina:
I can't make or or tail of this your post...

At least you are honest. The following is an aside.

One problem I find most people have is we see through lenses. We think we see what is before us, but we actually look through the lenses of our (mis)conceptions and prejudices which distort how we see, so instead of seeing what's before us, we actually make what is before us look as we expect things to be. Religion is very faulty in doing this. Its like tinted glasses collouring reality.

Most of us have heard quite a lot about religion before we read the book of the religion, so instead of approaching it with a clean mind, we approach it primed and therefore see what we expect to see or what we've been told is there. Just imagine if you'd read a Bible without first being told about it, I bet 'believe' would not be your first response, nor your first concern. First, you'd want to understand what you are reading, and if you were interested, you'd want to find out more about the book, and if anyone told you to believe what you read you'd likely say they were mad and ask if they believed every book they read. Try virgin birth, for instance, or that a book was written by God and published in a printing press in heaven; why would that not sound absurd to you?

Unfortunately, many of us do not have this priviledge, having been born into religious families who feed us with it with our first meals, which unfortunately stops us being objective, and is why I think you "can't make head or tail of this your post". It isn't what you are used to hearing in these type of discussions, and does not fit in with your prepared arguments.

The solution is what Christ meant when he said 'unless one becomes as a child, one shall not enter the Kingdom of God'. It simply means one should get rid of one's preconceived ideas and see (as in seek to understand) things for what they are. Its very difficult, but possible for those who have the desire to not be blinded by their own subjectivity.

I, fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on how you see it), was not primed into religion. The first gods I ever heard of were Greek and Egyptian gods, and any lessons on them were taught objectively. Imagine my shock when I found gods were things people believed in! The thought of believing Homer's Oddyseus (a bible of the early Greeks) and stories about Osiris and Horus et al were just absurd to me, and Yahweh even more so, especially when told to me by people who believed rats actually talk because they'd seen Tom talk to Jerry on telly.

We do Christianity and Islam, which are both religions and primitive modes of education, because our forefathers who adopted them saw they were superior to our own ways of educating. Unfortunately for us, rather than see them as methods of education, we think the doctrines are the education itself, which they sort of are but there's much more to it than that. In my lifetime alone, I've seen us evolve from believing what we are told, to reading the book ourselves and then questioning what we read in order to understand.

I assure you that a time is coming when we would stop believing and understand instead, and then shall we take Yahweh to the bottom of the river and bash its head in just as many have done to Sango, Ogun, Odysseus, Osiris and Horus who are now dead gods. That's what education does to gods. It kills them and frees us from their tyranny, as taught in the lesson of the eyes of Adam and Eve opening when they ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil and did not die but opened their eyes and became their own gods.

Come to UK today and you'd see what I mean. You'd see lots of ancient churches, but with very few locals worshipping in them. We do yoga and town meetings in them instead, and that's in the ones not yet converted to pubs and residences, but go out on the streets and you'd think you are amongst angels.

Note how atheism, a rare thing just 30 years ago, is increasing in Nigeria. I can assure you that in time, Nigeria too would go the same way, though its unbelievable that we would ever abandon God, or rather, bring God down from faraway heaven and let God reside in our hearts and minds, and be understood for what its meant to make us become, which is godly, as in full of love, regard and respect for one another.

Forgive me if I've not made myself any clearer. As Christ showed, its not easy to make some things understood.

Daejoyoung:
Where are the writings for this African history? Writings matter my friend. That is the staying power of the Abrahamic religions.
l am ready to read African spiritual books of old if you can provide me with them.

Thank you very much. For this post and all your others.

Amujale:
Here are the names of some of the Roman aristocrats that authored the Christian bible in the first century.


.Flavius Josephus grandfather.

.Flavius Josephus

.Pliny

.Flavius Julianus

.Flavius Julius

.Flavius Arrianus also known as Appian

Emperors and Roman monachs that played major roles include:

Emperor Titus Flavius Vespasian also known as Emperor Vespasian.

Emperor Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus also known as Emperor Titus the son of Emperor Vespasian.

Emperor Titus Flavius Caesar Domitianus Augustus also known as Emperor Domittan the junior brother to Emperor Titus.

Emperor Flavius Valerius Aurelius Contantinus Augustus also known as Constantine (I)

Members of the family of the Ptlomey dynastic period i.e Ptlomey (I), Cleopatra e.t.c

You are confused.

sonmvayina:
If Jesus was a black Nigerian or Ghanaian, would African worship him?.. I know white people won't, so I am not going there...

If it was my village people from oshimili North local government area.. That brought a saviour concept to the rest of the world and Nigeria would we worship him as God?.... And our saviour... If his name was ifeanyi Okeke.. Would we?..

Yes we would Christianity is not because of race or gene or money nope

0mnivalent:
You are confused.

Lol digressing from the topic don't mind him