Viciheaka:

Yes we would Christianity is not because of race or gene or money nope

So if I come to you that ifeanyi Okeke was sent by God, and that fulani herdsmen killed him, but his death was actually for your sins.... And you have to give your life to him.. To be saved..

Would you?

sonmvayina:


So if I come to you that ifeanyi Okeke was sent by God, and that fulani herdsmen killed him, but his death was actually for your sins.... And you have to give your life to him.. To be saved..

Would you?

Which God are you exactly talking about?

sonmvayina:


So if I come to you that ifeanyi Okeke was sent by God, and that fulani herdsmen killed him, but his death was actually for your sins.... And you have to give your life to him.. To be saved..

Would you?

Yeah if I experience something powerful and higher than normal

Daejoyoung:

Where are the writings for this African history? Writings matter my friend. That is the staying power of the Abrahamic religions.
l am ready to read African spiritual books of old if you can provide me with them.

. The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop.

. The Book of Coming forth by Day by Maulana Karenga.

. The Book of Going forth by Day by Raymond O Faulkner.

. The Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilisation by Martin Bernal.

. A History of the African-Olmecs: Blacksic Civilisations of America from Prehistoric Times to the Present Era by Paul Barton.

.They Came Before Columbus: The African presence in Ancient America by Dr Ivan Sertima

. New Dimensions In African History by Dr Yosef Ben Jochannan and Dr Henrik Clarke.

Viciheaka:

Yeah if I experience something powerful and higher than normal

OK.. You don't really know what God is, do you?

CaveAdullam:
Which God are you exactly talking about?

CHUKWU... The creator of heaven and earth..

sonmvayina:


So if I come to you that ifeanyi Okeke was sent by God, and that fulani herdsmen killed him, but his death was actually for your sins.... And you have to give your life to him.. To be saved..

Would you?

I know the question was not for me, but, no, we wouldn't. We don't just believe anything willienillie! We will ask you to provide evidence for your claim, then we will test if your claim and the evidence is valid, and even then we might say good luck to you.

See example here.

Those who refuse to use their supposedly God given brains can be said to be worshipping satan!

Daejoyoung:

Where are the writings for this African history? Writings matter my friend.

Much of the material currently available have been salvaged by African historians working round the clock in order to ascertain the accuracy of their findings.

Furthermore, one has to understand that the reason behind the situation of the lack of tons and tons of books written by ancient African historians is due to the draconian policy of burning of books and literature sometimes the destruction of libraries on the continent adopted by both Christianity and Islam.

Nevertheless, modern day African historians arent phased as they have been able to methodically, analytically as well as making use of scientific techniques, reconstruct out of the available secular history all that was thought to have been destroyed by the liars and the fakers.


And now, African history is rightfully restored to its towering glory by the modern day pro-African academics, scholars and historians.

Our job is to mine these findings and make great use of them in order to make the world a better place for us and the coming generations.

0mnivalent:
....

All the authors of Abrahamic religious text are dubious and wholly untrustworthy.

sonmvayina:



OK.. You don't really know what God is, do you?

Well God generally is a supreme being with powers higher than that of man

Amujale:


All the authors of Abrahamic religious text are dubious and wholly untrustworthy.

Lol I love them

sonmvayina:


CHUKWU... The creator of heaven and earth..

Do you also mean the one Abraham of the Bible referred to as the possessor of Heaven and Earth?

Because many gods has being claiming chukwu since time immemorial, I just need to be sure the one you are talking about.

CaveAdullam:
Do you also mean the one Abraham of the Bible referred to as the possessor of Heaven and Earth?

Because many gods has being claiming chukwu since time immemorial, I just need to be sure the one you are talking about.

If you have been following my post.. You will know..
I have always maintained that there is only one power In the world, hence it is called a universe.. It is the name of that power that is different.. Igbos calls it, CHUKWU, Yoruba calls it Eledumare, Benin calls it Osanobua, Romans calls it Jupiter, the Jews calls it Hashem, the Babylonian calls it Marduk.. Etc.. The stories about God are all man's creation.. They make use of element and symbols of the culture or custom in other to pass this message.. Must of us has forgotten that we are all Gods just having a human experience.. In other to make this experience worthwhile we need to set rules and boundaries for ourselves... Hence the Jews came up with the Torah.. We igbos have our own omenani or omenala....
The God of Abraham is also the God of we igbos...

Viciheaka:

Yeah if I experience something powerful and higher than normal

What would you define as something powerful and higher than normal?

Amujale:


All the authors of Abrahamic religious text are dubious and wholly untrustworthy.

I never knew people could be this dumb... if all abrahamic religious texts are dubious and wholly untrustworthy, then tell me the texts that are trustworthy.
oh! islamic texts? ptolemy's? or aristotle's?
you will be a very Big F@@l if you make mention of any of the above three.
stop decieving yourself man.
the Bible is no fiction, common sense could have told you that.

stop the foolish crap about religious origins and channel your energy into something else, yea, what would make you productive in monetarily.

sonmvayina:



If you have been following my post.. You will know..
I have always maintained that there is only one power In the world, hence it is called a universe.. It is the name of that power that is different.. Igbos calls it, CHUKWU, Yoruba calls it Eledumare, Benin calls it Osanobua, Romans calls it Jupiter, the Jews calls it Hashem, the Babylonian calls it Marduk.. Etc.. The stories about God are all man's creation.. They make use of element and symbols of the culture or custom in other to pass this message.. Must of us has forgotten that we are all Gods just having a human experience.. In other to make this experience worthwhile we need to set rules and boundaries for ourselves... Hence the Jews came up with the Torah.. We igbos have our own omenani or omenala....
The God of Abraham is also the God of we igbos...

So do you accept the old testament then in totality as a literal truth? for example that God commanded the stoning of a man for picking sticks on the sabbath? this is just a question.
Also if you believe Chuckwu is the supreme God, and he is thesame God of Abraham, then why do you have gods like ahmadioah?

0mnivalent:


I never knew people could be this dumb... if all abrahamic religious texts are dubious and wholly untrustworthy, then tell me the texts that are trustworthy.
oh! islamic texts? ptolemy's? or aristotle's?
you will be a very Big F@@l if you make mention of any of the above three.
stop decieving yourself man.
the Bible is no fiction, common sense could have told you that.

stop the foolish crap about religious origins and channel your energy into something else, yea, what would make you productive in monetarily.

He would tell you only African texts he read about from 20th Century historians are trustworthy.
That one obviously does not know the difference between history and religion/spirituality, so don't bother about him, it would be a waste of your time.

Daejoyoung:

So do you accept the old testament then in totality as a literal truth? for example that God commanded the stoning of a man for picking sticks on the sabbath? this is just a question.
Also if you believe Chuckwu is the supreme God, and he is thesame God of Abraham, then why do you have gods like ahmadioah?

The sabbath is a day for families to interact with each other no distraction, that does not mean if your child is sick you can't look for firewood to boil the dogonyaro leaves... End of the day wisdom is the judge.. Who told you amadioha is a god?.. Amadioha is thunder and lightening, personified . Which will correspond to sango or Thor...the Bible calls them the sons of God.. Which includes Esu, which some people has equated to the devil, Ogun (God of Iron), which will correspond to mercury in Roman religion...
The Yoruba calls them irumole, hope I am not mistaken... They are what the Christian calls angels or demons..

sonmvayina:



The sabbath is a day for families to interact with each other no distraction, that does not mean if your child is sick you can't look for firewood to boil the dogonyaro leaves... End of the day wisdom is the judge.. Who told you amadioha is a god?.. Amadioha is thunder and lightening, personified . Which will correspond to sango or Thor...the Bible calls them the sons of God.. Which includes Esu, which some people has equated to the devil, Ogun (God of Iron), which will correspond to mercury in Roman religion...
The Yoruba calls them irumole, hope I am not mistaken... They are what the Christian calls angels or demons..

ok so my question is: you believe chuckwu is thesame character as Yahweh in the Hebrew Bible?

Daejoyoung:

ok so my question is: you believe chuckwu is thesame character as Yahweh in the Hebrew Bible?

Yaweh is not the Hebrew God, yaweh is one of the sons of Enlil...
The Hebrew God has another name. Hashem, they don't normally call the name as per the commandment "thou shall not take the name of the Lord in vain".. The name is only used in prayers and it MUST be inside the temple.. Any other time they use Lord or Lord God to differentiate him from his sons.. And other gods... So if I understand you correctly CHUKWU is the same God as the God of the old testament.. Yes it is... God is consciousness personified...

sonmvayina:


Yaweh is not the Hebrew God, yaweh is one of the sons of Enlil...
The Hebrew God has another name. Hashem, they don't normally call the name as per the commandment "thou shall not take the name of the Lord in vain".. The name is only used in prayers and it MUST be inside the temple.. Any other time they use Lord or Lord God to differentiate him from his sons.. And other gods... So if I understand you correctly CHUKWU is the same God as the God of the old testament.. Yes it is... God is consciousness personified...

yeah l wasn't really fixated on the name, l am talking about the personality.
lf you believe chuckwu is thesame old testament character, whom you say is consciousness personified, do you believe he was only the God of the Israelites in times of old? or you believe he was also God in some other nations at least?

Daejoyoung:

yeah l wasn't really fixated on the name, l am talking about the personality.
lf you believe chuckwu is thesame old testament character, whom you say is consciousness personified, do you believe he was only the God of the Israelites in times of old? or you believe he was also God in some other nations at least?

He has always been God everywhere... But while other people go through his "sons".. The Jews don't.."
"do not have any other God BEFORE me ".. Reason they gave was that they were his chosen people.. He was their God and they were his people Deuteronomy 32:8-9...that is not to say that some people in other places don't worship him directly.. People like Nebochanezr and Cyrus where all God's Messiah..
The Israelites worshipped other gods and usually fell out of favour with their God.. Reason being that some of them don't know him.. Read Isaiah 45:1-10..they went after the baals and asherahs which is the sons and daughters of Enlil.. When they do they received punishment from Hashem.. He either allows their neighbours to over run them or send them on exile or sends famine and diseases... Just to chastise them and bring them back to him self..

sonmvayina:


He has always been God everywhere... But while other people go through his "sons".. The Jews don't.."
"do not have any other God BEFORE me ".. Reason they gave was that they were his chosen people.. He was their God and they were his people Deuteronomy 32:8-9...that is not to say that some people in other places don't worship him directly.. People like Nebochanezr and Cyrus where all God's Messiah..
The Israelites worshipped other gods and usually fell out of favour with their God.. Reason being that some of them don't know him.. Read Isaiah 45:1-10..they went after the baals and asherahs which is the sons and daughters of Enlil.. When they do they received punishment from Hashem.. He either allows their neighbours to over run them or send them on exile or sends famine and diseases... Just to chastise them and bring them back to him self..

ok so this Hashem, do you agree with all he supposedly did in the old testament?

Also the phrase "Do not have any other God besides me" presupposes that there are other gods. ls it that Hashem is the only God worthy of worship and there are other lesser gods, or that there is only one God and the god is Hashem?

Daejoyoung:

ok so this Hashem, do you agree with all he supposedly did in the old testament?

Also the phrase "Do not have any other God besides me" presupposes that there are other gods. ls it that Hashem is the only God worthy of worship and there are other lesser gods, or that there is only one God and the god is Hashem?

There is only one God... One power in the Universe... What ever happens whether good or bad, he is responsible for both.. It is the name that is different.. CHUKWU, olodumare, Marduk, Osanobua, Ra, vishnu.. Etc.. Others are laws and principles within God..

sonmvayina:


There is only one God... One power in the Universe... What ever happens whether good or bad, he is responsible for both.. It is the name that is different.. CHUKWU, olodumare, Marduk, Osanobua, Ra, vishnu.. Etc.. Others are laws and principles within God..

So you accept that God did all those things attributed to him in the old testament then, ok interesting.

Daejoyoung:

So you accept that God did all those things attributed to him in the old testament then, ok interesting.

Noooo, don't get me wrong... They are all allegory and metaphorical stories.. Not literal... You are supposed to read the story and learn the messages in it......

See my thread. The letter killeth.

Thanks

sonmvayina:


The God of Abraham is also the God of we igbos...

Do you believe in the dealings that occurred between this God and Abraham?

CaveAdullam:
Do you believe in the dealings that occurred between this God and Abraham?

They are allegorical stories.. You are expected to read it and learn the spiritual messages hidden in it.. The story of Abraham and God is about faith, trust and love.. Much like the story of Oromila and Eledumare somehow somebody posted here some time ago....
God is not a man or human being... So we can't communicate with God the way we communicate with humans... The ONLY way to communicate with God is through an Oracle... If you are conversant with Yoruba or igbo movies, when the king sends people to meet the babalawo or dibia, he usually answers with parables... It is those parable that the Jews built into stories... That you now read and call the word of God... Every body has one... I see no reason why we should elevate a foreign story over our own... The Jews can use David and Goliath for their own story and we can use Ikenna and ifeanyi.. At the end of the day the hidden message is that the God inside of you is greater than the obstacle in front of you... Do you understand?

0mnivalent:

... if all abrahamic religious texts are dubious and wholly untrustworthy, then tell me the texts that are trustworthy.

All the Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counterintuitive.

It's important to note that the Abrahamic religions comprise of Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

Cease fixation on the fakery and falsehood and concentrate our focus on real history.

Real history is trustworthy.

African history is proven to be true and trustworthy.

African history is the universal standard to which all other concepts and understandings are derived.

Africans discovered the concepts of literacy.

Africans discovered the concepts of numeracy.

All the major intellectual and technological breakthroughs in human history begins with the African, all the other scientist, scholars and academics built their knowledge and academia out of these.

Therefore, one should appreciate that generically, our continent is the major intellectual realm and centre of excellence and splendor for the entire planet Earth.

Hence, one should ask the sounding question.

Why?

Why is it that all the world are falling over themselves to learn, study and store our intellect, our legacy?

Yet, we are being taught to neglet real history and instead be engaging in their (The Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentrics) fakery and falsehood.

For example, studying African history allows one the understamding that sending humans to outter space is ultimately achieved through the intellectual capacity of the African.


That is to say, studying African history increases one's intellectual capacity.

Amujale:


All the Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counterintuitive.

It's important to note that the Abrahamic religions comprise of Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

Cease fixation on the fakery and falsehood and concentrate our focus on real history.

Real history is trustworthy.

African history is proven to be true and trustworthy.

African history is the universal standard to which all other concepts and understandings are derived.

Africans discovered the concepts of literacy.

Africans discovered the concepts of numeracy.

All the major intellectual and technological breakthroughs in human history begins with the African, all the other scientist, scholars and academics built their knowledge and academia out of these.

Therefore, one should appreciate that generically, our continent is the major intellectual realm and centre of excellence and splendor for the entire planet Earth.

Hence, one should ask the sounding question.

Why?

Why is it that all the world are falling over themselves to learn, study and store our intellect, our legacy?

Yet, we are being taught to neglet real history and instead be engaging in their (The Arabian fundamentaliast and Eurocentrics)fakery and falsehood.

For example, studying African history allows one the understamding that sending humans to outter space is ultimately achieved through the intellectual capacity of the African.


That is to say, studying African history increases one's intellectual capacity.

l understand your zeal for Africa, but then where did we go wrong? When isaac Newton was inventing calculus in the 17th century, what were our fathers doing?
lf science and knowledge comes from Africa, then even before the white man came, we should have invented things like calculus, gunpowder, machines, printing press, computers, etc.
lt seems the knowledge of the west became superior to ours at some point, wouldn't you agree?

Daejoyoung:

l understand your zeal for Africa, but then where did we go wrong? When isaac Newton was inventing calculus in the 17th century, what were our fathers doing?

Great question.

Isaac Newton did give credit to Imhotep and the KM.Tic Scientific community in some of his write ups.

Isaac Newton was obsessesed with KM.Tic scientists. i.e Imhotep.

Isaac Newton spent so many years in Egypt that we simple stopped counting so as not to jinx him.


According to African history, these were the period that denotes some of the lowest points, the Arabian slavetrade was about fizzling away and had caused great famine, displacements and all the agents associated with the Islamic crazy wars and Arabian fundamentalist warmongery.

Then, at that critical moment, the Eurocentrics brought their pranks and tricks, they would use their missionaries to escalate delicate feuds, create false propaganda so as to create conflict.

Then after the conflicts are settled, they attacked; they colude with neighbouring communities to attack the winning side.

These were the days leading to Colonisation and the Transatlantic slavetrade.

Instead of Isaac Newton, acknowledge Imhotep and the KM.Tic scientist instead, treat Isaac Newton as an afterwards scientist. A great scientist that wasnt successfull in crediting Africans in the correct way and in the correct places on his fantastic works.

Study African history with the guidance and expertise of genuine African and pro-African historians.

Daejoyoung:

lf science and knowledge comes from Africa, then even before the white man came, we should have invented things like calculus, gunpowder, machines, printing press, computers, etc.

Eurocentric leaders became super power out of brute force and not intellect per se.

Isaac Newton learnt his methods from the KM.
Tic Scientistssic. i.e Imhotep.

Gunpowder is a Chinese invention.

The brain of the African is that which brought about much of the concepts behind Computers. i.e IBM, the Internet e.t.c

All these one would readily learn during our studies of history.