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Re: . by Abia1stboy: 2:48pm On Feb 02, 2020
1956: Queen Elizabeth II And Prince Philip Meet His Majesty Obi Okosi Of Onitsha


The Queen of England and the Prince Consort meets the Obi of Onitsha, His Majesty Obi Okosi, in Onitsha during the British royals' tour of Nigeria in 1956. With them is the great Zik of Africa, Nnamdi Azikiwe.

No other part of igbo land had such privilege because they had neither king, nor organized traditional government.

Re: . by Nobody: 2:51pm On Feb 02, 2020
ChinenyeN:
So you’re one of the Anambra puritans who think you gave pre-existing groups of people civilization? Hehe. This is who I’m supposed to happily share unity with?

We will desecrate your culture if we like. Sit there and froth at the mouth.
And you will happily share unity with us. Erase your fears and bitterness you've been exhibiting here against the said puritans.

We only need the right thing to be done. This is igbo culture and it must supritend over all others.
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 2:53pm On Feb 02, 2020
MelesZenawi:
And you will happily share unity with us. Erase your fears and bitterness you've been exhibiting here against the said puritans.

We only need the right thing to be done. This is igbo culture and it must supritend over all others.
I’m bored of you Anambra puritans. Go and make your own pure Igbo culture elsewhere and leave the rest of us to enjoy our autonomy and inter-group affiliations. Thanks.
Re: . by Nobody: 2:54pm On Feb 02, 2020
MelesZenawi:
For those using Eze as prefix not old and long standing tradition we know.

Eze is more prominent in Imo/Abia/Rivers/ebonyi/Enugu....



More like these states doesn't really have culture at all...
Those states maintained the pre colonial Igbo culture while yours copied alien monarchy that has no relationship with Igbo worldview.
Chinua Achebe is an authority in Igbo customs and through his books the whole world know Igbo culture. In our government text books and in the archives or Nigeria the Igbo's are known as non-centralized ethnicity.
Why not go tell the white man you have Kings?
Re: . by pazienza(m): 2:55pm On Feb 02, 2020
UdechiHD is right.
Ndiigbo never had kingdoms.
The key feature of kingdoms is that lands belong to the king and their people were the subjects of the king, we were a land of free people and were no subjects to any one.
Ndiigbo never had such. What we had were Okpala ukwus, who held Ofo and servered as representative of the people with their permission.
Land in Igboland always belonged to families(Umunna) and the Okpalaukwu only represented the clan and did not dictate to them.

The Obis of Nnewi were merely decorated Okpalaukwus with the Igwe of Nnewi being their leader.

Igbo enwe eze and Igbo ama eze represent who our people are.
Re: . by okpalaAnambra: 2:56pm On Feb 02, 2020
Abia1stboy:
1956: Queen Elizabeth II And Prince Philip Meet His Majesty Obi Okosi Of Onitsha


The Queen of England and the Prince Consort meets the Obi of Onitsha, His Majesty Obi Okosi, in Onitsha during the British royals' tour of Nigeria in 1956. With them is the great Zik of Africa, Nnamdi Azikiwe.

No other part of igbo land had such privilege because they had neither king, nor organized traditional government.
Nonsense..there is nothing like Igbo..wake up,
Re: . by Nobody: 2:57pm On Feb 02, 2020
ChinenyeN:
I’m bored of you Anambra puritans. Go and make your own pure Igbo culture elsewhere and leave the rest of us to enjoy our autonomy and inter-group affiliations. Thanks.
As far as Igbo is concerned. We must keep watch. Ngwa is an Igbo sub-group. Abaribe represents ndigbo well and had title of nwadiohanma ngwa. So we must keep watch over all.

Igbo culture should not be descrated by mere illogical few.
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 2:59pm On Feb 02, 2020
MelesZenawi:
As far as Igbo is concerned. We must keep watch. Ngwa is an Igbo sub-group. Abaribe represents ndigbo well and had title of nwadiohanma ngwa. So we must keep watch over all.

Igbo culture should not be descrated by mere illogical few.
*asnụ udhe* yawn. Like I said, go do your puritan business elsewhere. The rest of us are too busy enjoying our autonomy and inter-group affiliations.
Re: . by Nobody: 2:59pm On Feb 02, 2020
UdechiHD:
Those states maintained the post colonial Igbo culture while yours copied alien monarchy that has no relationship with Igbo worldview.
Chinua Achebe is an authority in Igbo customs and through his books the whole world know Igbo culture. In our government text books and in the archives or Nigeria the Igbo's are known as non-centralized ethnicity.
Why not go tell the white man you have Kings?
And we. Told the whiteman that our king is mourning and will meet him in due time.

Any other illogical reasoning from you?
Re: . by IDENNAA(m): 3:01pm On Feb 02, 2020
People can practice what they want to but my duty as onye Anambra is to protect and advance my culture, simply. This brings me to ask this question again, what is the essence of Igbo Izugbe ?
Re: . by Nobody: 3:01pm On Feb 02, 2020
ChinenyeN:
*asnụ udhe* yawn. Like I said, go do your puritan business elsewhere. The rest of us are too busy enjoying our autonomy and inter-group affiliations.
Once again you are on a lone mission and a lone voice. grin
Re: . by Nobody: 3:02pm On Feb 02, 2020
ChinenyeN:
*asnụ udhe* yawn. Like I said, go do your puritan business elsewhere. The rest of us are too busy enjoying our autonomy and inter-group affiliations.
Lone voice
Re: . by Nobody: 3:03pm On Feb 02, 2020
pazienza:
UdechiHD is right.
Ndiigbo never had kingdoms.
The key feature of kingdoms is that lands belong to the king and their people were the subjects of the king, we were a land of free people and were no subjects to any one.
Ndiigbo never had such. What we had were Okpala ukwus, who held Ofo and servered as representative of the people with their permission.
Land in Igboland always belonged to families(Umunna) and the Okpalaukwu only represented the clan and did not dictate to them.

The Obis of Nnewi were merely decorated Okpalaukwus with the Igwe of Nnewi being their leader.

Igbo enwe eze and Igbo ama eze represent who our people are
.
Re: . by Abia1stboy: 3:03pm On Feb 02, 2020
okpalaAnambra:
Nonsense..there is nothing like Igbo..wake up,
Who is this clown? Show us one king in the whole of Igbo land that ever hosted the Queen of England

Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 3:05pm On Feb 02, 2020
IDENNAA:
People can practice what they want to but my duty as onye Anambra is to protect and advance my culture, simply. This brings me to ask this question again, what is the essence of Igbo Izugbe ?
Izugbe was supposed to the literary standard that everyone would adhere to. It was supposed to quiet the dialects and grow the centralized language, but it ultimately failed.
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 3:06pm On Feb 02, 2020
MelesZenawi:
Lone voice
You still can’t shut me up though, Puritan.
Re: . by Abia1stboy: 3:09pm On Feb 02, 2020
King control kingdom. King oversees kingdom.
Re: . by Nobody: 3:11pm On Feb 02, 2020
pazienza:
[s]UdechiHD is right.
Ndiigbo never had kingdoms.
The key feature of kingdoms is that lands belong to the king and their people were the subjects of the king, we were a land of free people and were no subjects to any one.
Ndiigbo never had such. What we had were Okpala ukwus, who held Ofo and servered as representative of the people with their permission.
Land in Igboland always belonged to families(Umunna) and the Okpalaukwu only represented the clan and did not dictate to them.

The Obis of Nnewi were merely decorated Okpalaukwus with the Igwe of Nnewi being their leader.

Igbo enwe eze and Igbo ama eze represent who our people are. [/s]
You opinion is as worst as even to term it wrong. If you don't know anything about people's tradition, then keep shut and stop showcasing your Ignorance.

The obis in nnewi dates as far as back as the town itself, so don't drive here with your inconsequential reasoning.

Till this day the igwe stands strong and high.


What a useless submission. Don't think. Everyone has that time to agree to your unending useless submission.


The ruling class system has been and To this day the king holds their powers. And functions.


Trying to sound right to suit your followers.
Re: . by Nobody: 3:16pm On Feb 02, 2020
IDENNAA:
People can practice what they want to but my duty as onye Anambra is to protect and advance my culture, simply. This brings me to ask this question again, what is the essence of Igbo Izugbe ?
Igbo Izugbe once called Isoma-Igbo has evolved overtime and would continue evolving.

It is not perfect, has faults but has come to stay. Igbo Izugbe was a British experiment to ease communication barrier that impeded colonialism in the east. Bonny and Onitsha were the testing ground of Isoma-Igbo and was used to spread Christianity and colonial rule in Igboland.

When next you want to question Igbo-Izugbe, maybe you'll need to visit Bishop Crowther and the likes of Oraka in their graves to question their motive.

And the answer they'll give you is this:

"If the Yoruba's accepted Oyo Yoruba without questioning me and the Nupe's accepted Bida Nupe without questioning me, because it helped to unite this fragmented groups into one strong ethnicity, why then should you the enemies of your Igbo tribe question my motives. Why don't you improve on what bounds you together, unite into one common goal and reach for the skies".


This is for the Omanbala, Ngwa, Ika, Ndokwa and Ikwerre separatist asking the motives of Igbo Izugbe and the above is what late Bishop Crowther will tell you.
Re: . by Abia1stboy: 3:24pm On Feb 02, 2020
Lies

Igbo Izugbe was the coinage of several dialects to become what could be general igbo language.

Onitsha had and still has a distinct sweet dialect that flows with ease. No wonder the colonists used it in their literature translation as a standard igbo language.

Onitsha doesn't speak igbo izugbe. Onitsha has it's own sweet dialect.

Re: . by Abia1stboy: 3:28pm On Feb 02, 2020
Even till date British recognises only these kings- Obi of Onitsha, Ooni of Ife, Oba of Benin, Sultan of Sokoto

This picture was taken recently when Prince Charles visited Nigeria

Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 3:35pm On Feb 02, 2020
Man, you guys don't know anything. Izugbe is not Isuama. Izugbe is not Union (which combined disparate lects). Izugbe is a wholly artificial standard provided by the SPILC from the 1980s. C'mon Umu Igbo! For the sake of your Christian God.
Re: . by Nobody: 3:36pm On Feb 02, 2020
Abia1stboy:
Lies

Igbo Izugbe was the coinage of several dialects to become could be general igbo language.

Onitsha had and still has a distinct sweet dialect that flows with ease. No wonder the colonists used it in their literature translation in igbo language.

Onitsha doesn't speak igbo izugbe. Onitsha has it's own sweet dialect.
Yet Onitsha people allowed Isoma-Igbo to be used as testing ground in the villages. Had the Onitsha people convinced Bishop Crowther to use their dialect for central Igbo, it would have saved us a lot of stress. And my children and I and millions of other Igbos would be better of today. At least we woukd be speaking the general Onitsha dialect same way the Yoruba's now speak the Oyo dialect. But here we are today stressing ourselves learning a conglomerate of dialect called Igbo-Izugbe.

So if the Onitsha people accepted the Isoma-Igbo and helped Crowther and others improve on it to what is known as Igbo-Izugbe, are we to say no to it? I'm asking you cry babies.

Igbo-Izugbe same as Igbo bu Igbo has come to stay in Nigeria and future Biafra grin. Everything in life happens for a reason and in the case of Ndigbo it's for a positive reason.
Re: . by Abia1stboy: 3:38pm On Feb 02, 2020
Queen of England equally visited Oba of Benin, Sultan, Ooni as well as Obi of Onitsha when she first visited Nigeria in 1956. Obi of Onitsha represents the East, Ooni of Ife for the West, Sulta for the north and Oba of Benin for the midwest

Re: . by Nobody: 3:39pm On Feb 02, 2020
Abia1stboy:
Lies

Igbo Izugbe was the coinage of several dialects to become could be general igbo language.

Onitsha had and still has a distinct sweet dialect that flows with ease. No wonder the colonists used it in their literature translation in igbo language.

Onitsha doesn't speak igbo izugbe. Onitsha has it's own sweet dialect.
Yet Onitsha people allowed Isoma-Igbo to be used as testing ground in their villages. Had the Onitsha people convinced Bishop Crowther to use their dialect for central Igbo, it would have saved us a lot of stress. And my children and I and millions of other Igbos would be better of today. At least we would be speaking the general Onitsha dialect same way the Yoruba's now speak the Oyo dialect. But here we are today stressing ourselves learning a conglomerate of dialect called Igbo-Izugbe. The question now remains, whose fault is it?

So if the Onitsha people accepted the Isoma-Igbo and helped Crowther and others improve on it to what is known as Igbo-Izugbe, are we to say no to it? I'm asking you cry babies. Who helped propagate christian missionary activities and colonial rule in the whole of Alaigbo? Are the Onitsha people not the ones.

Igbo-Izugbe same as Igbo bu Igbo has come to stay in Nigeria and future Biafra grin. Everything in life happens for a reason and in the case of Ndigbo it's for a positive reason.
Re: . by Abia1stboy: 3:40pm On Feb 02, 2020
Stop posting rubbish. Show us the report where your inferior isoma was used in Onitsha. I am showing you historical evidence. Give us evidence or shut up

Re: . by IDENNAA(m): 3:42pm On Feb 02, 2020
pazienza:
UdechiHD is right.
Ndiigbo never had kingdoms.
The key feature of kingdoms is that lands belong to the king and their people were the subjects of the king, we were a land of free people and were no subjects to any one.
Ndiigbo never had such. What we had were Okpala ukwus, who held Ofo and servered as representative of the people with their permission.
Land in Igboland always belonged to families(Umunna) and the Okpalaukwu only represented the clan and did not dictate to them.

The Obis of Nnewi were merely decorated Okpalaukwus with the Igwe of Nnewi being their leader.

Igbo enwe eze and Igbo ama eze represent who our people are.
Igbo didnt have king in the sense of monarchy but the case of Eze Nri was unique because he wilded both cultural influence and spiritual control and tributes were paid to him. Eze Nri is chosen directly from the descendants of Eri.
Re: . by Nobody: 3:44pm On Feb 02, 2020
Abia1stboy:
Stop posting rubbish. Show us the report where your inferior isoma was used in Onitsha. I am showing you historical evidence. Give us evidence or shut up
Chino you should be lucky that I'm giving you these historical lessons free of charge. People pay for these, you know.

However, I hope your mindset has been changed for the better. grin
Re: . by IDENNAA(m): 3:46pm On Feb 02, 2020
UdechiHD:
Igbo Izugbe once called Isoma-Igbo has evolved overtime and would continue evolving.

It is not perfect, has faults but has come to stay. Igbo Izugbe was a British experiment to ease communication barrier that impeded colonialism in the east. Bonny and Onitsha were the testing ground of Isoma-Igbo and was used to spread Christianity and colonial rule in Igboland.

When next you want to question Igbo-Izugbe, maybe you'll need to visit Bishop Crowther and the likes of Oraka in their graves to question their motive.

And the answer they'll give you is this:

"If the Yoruba's accepted Oyo Yoruba without questioning me and the Nupe's accepted Bida Nupe without questioning me, because it helped to unite this fragmented groups into one strong ethnicity, why then should you the enemies of your Igbo tribe question my motives. Why don't you improve on what bounds you together, unite into one common goal and reach for the skies".


This is for the Omanbala, Ngwa, Ika, Ndokwa and Ikwerre separatist asking the motives of Igbo Izugbe and the above is what late Bishop Crowther will tell you.
Igbo Izugbe is nothing but a weakly manufactured Igbo to hoist an identity that never existed. Igbo Izugbe must be trashed !
Re: . by Nobody: 3:48pm On Feb 02, 2020
Abia1stboy:
Queen of England equally visited Oba of Benin, Sultan, Ooni as well as Obi of Onitsha when she first visited Nigeria in 1956. Obi of Onitsha represents the small lands on banks of the niger East, Ooni of Ife for the West, Sulta for the north and Oba of Benin for the midwest
Lol! Obi of Onitsha mili for the small lands at the bank of the Niger.
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m):
Isuama standard was in use outside of the present Nigeria among freed slaves. The reason why Isuama took prominence among freed slaves was because the Isu group of slaves outnumbered members from other groups who had been sold into captivity. Crowther attempted to use Isuama to spread Christianity in Aboh, but found out that he could not communicate with the natives and was laughed at. He abandoned Igbo and focused on Yoruba.

Onitsha was the next in line and became the first non-diaspora literary Igbo standard.
Re: . by Nobody: 3:52pm On Feb 02, 2020
IDENNAA:
Igbo Izugbe is nothing but a weakly manufactured Igbo to hoist an identity that never existed. Igbo Izugbe must be trashed !
Must be trashed in your bed room. First go to ABS Awka and stop them, before gallivanting like an unexploded canon. grin
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