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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by DownChelsea(f): 7:21pm On Feb 25, 2020
Vacora:


Sounds like the Lexus LX570 with all the works. Lovely car, I prefer that to a G Wagon anytime.
it competes with (and is arguably better than) the bmw x7, and the g wagon.

However, the g wagon na empty barrel.

If you want to enjoy real luxury from a mercedes suv, the mercedes gls class is the king and flagship of all mercedes SUVs
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by AmuDimpka: 2:09am On Feb 26, 2020
erico2k2:

Dnt 4get Ubar, they made toyota brand sell from North America to Europe, person nor fit drive Prius in peace, them go just dey stop U anyhow like taxi

Here Toyota is sn Uber car ! It's s car for the masses not a bucket market car like Benz
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by AmuDimpka: 2:09am On Feb 26, 2020
maynation:

Lol.
I haven't seen any that has those specs but s/he may be saying the truth sha.

Lol
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by AmuDimpka: 2:10am On Feb 26, 2020
DownChelsea:


You have missed the drift.

Everything was clear from the onset.

Toyota as a company is more bluechip than mercedes . Fact!
Toyota makes mainstream(toyota), luxury(lexus) and ultra luxury(century). Fact.
The difference between toyota mainstream cars and the lexus cars are too evident in every category of class, luxury and refinement. Fact

Nobody would compare mercedes to toyota(I mean the normal toyota mainstream cars) fact.

Lexus had put every player in the luxury business on its toes. Fact

Lexus cars are obviously not toyota(mainstream cars) in disguise. Fact

Literally understanding the topic of this thread would always result in an answer that favours the toyota company. Fact

You have misunderstood the facts. Fact

You have refused to listen and learn. Fact.

A lexus car, similarly priced with a mercedes car would offer options that the mercedes car could only dream of... fact

Even Lexus can't even be compared to Benz to an extent because in Benz their reputation precede them ....
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by Nobody: 4:02am On Feb 26, 2020
AmuDimpka downchelseapost=86960905:


Even Lexus can't even be compared to Benz to an extent because in Benz their reputation precede them ....
Both of you should get a room.
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by AmuDimpka: 4:06am On Feb 26, 2020
Smartchoiice:

Both of you should get a room.
...and make love ! If she is a real lady
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by DownChelsea(f): 9:06am On Feb 26, 2020
AmuDimpka:


Even Lexus can't even be compared to Benz to an extent because in Benz their reputation precede them ....
sorry to disappoint you.

Even when mercedes cars are being made, the engineers know they have lexus, bmw, volvo, audi, lincoln, cadilac, tesla and other luxury brands to compete with.

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by DownChelsea(f): 9:08am On Feb 26, 2020
AmuDimpka:


Here Toyota is sn Uber car ! It's s car for the masses not a bucket market car like Benz
would you do your business with something as unreliable as mercedes benz?

Only a fool would
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by yungboss(m): 10:11am On Feb 26, 2020
DownChelsea:
sorry to disappoint you.

Even when mercedes cars are being made, the engineers know they have lexus, bmw, volvo, audi, lincoln, cadilac, tesla and other luxury brands to compete with.
Lexus was built to compete in the luxury market, Mercedes being the benchmark. Mercedes is still ahead of lexus, I think there's no questioning that. Mercedes does it with finesse of performance. No matter how appointed the lexus is, its still viewed as an offshoot of Toyota. For example, the Rx300 and the 1st gen Highlander share about the same 3litre engine. Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Porsche are in the same category, from Germany too. Lexus is from a background with a different philosophy from the companies mentioned. Lexus is without a doubt very excellent.
I think the first lexus was built in 1989 but before then Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, Audi and some other European automobile companies had already made a strong mark in the business. It's okay if lexus is trying to snatch off top spots, but the truth is, it will be difficult.
Ask yourself this, what lexus sedan stands today to knock the 2019 s65 amg (v12 biturbo) off that spot, in terms of luxury & performance in one package? Even the s63? Lexus has that reliability edge no doubt, but alot of folks who drive those automobiles do not give so much thoughts towards reliability, for the fact that they are wealthy, they do it for prestige...

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by AmuDimpka: 10:57am On Feb 26, 2020
DownChelsea:
would you do your business with something as unreliable as mercedes benz?

Only a fool would



Whatever you are taking is potent. Trust me don't change your dealer. ..he is giving you the finest weed

Keep comparing kiosk Toyota with Benz
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by AmuDimpka: 10:59am On Feb 26, 2020
yungboss:

Lexus was built to compete in the luxury market, Mercedes being the benchmark. Mercedes is still ahead of lexus, I think there's no questioning that. Mercedes does it with finesse of performance. No matter how appointed the lexus is, its still viewed as an offshoot of Toyota. For example, the Rx300 and the 1st gen Highlander share about the same 3litre engine. Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Porsche are in the same category, from Germany too. Lexus is from a background with a different philosophy from the companies mentioned. Lexus is without a doubt very excellent.
I think the first lexus was built in 1989 but before then Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, Audi and some other European automobile companies had already made a strong mark in the business. It's okay if lexus is trying to snatch off top spots, but the truth is, it will be difficult.
Ask yourself this, what lexus sedan stands today to knock the 2019 s65 amg (v12 biturbo) off that spot, in terms of luxury & performance in one package? Even the s63? Lexus has that reliability edge no doubt, but alot of folks who drive those automobiles do not give so much thoughts towards reliability, for the fact that they are wealthy, they do it for prestige...

S/he is incorrigible
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by DownChelsea(f): 11:14am On Feb 26, 2020
yungboss:

Lexus was built to compete in the luxury market, Mercedes being the benchmark. Mercedes is still ahead of lexus, I think there's no questioning that. Mercedes does it with finesse of performance. No matter how appointed the lexus is, its still viewed as an offshoot of Toyota. For example, the Rx300 and the 1st gen Highlander share about the same 3litre engine. Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Porsche are in the same category, from Germany too. Lexus is from a background with a different philosophy from the companies mentioned. Lexus is without a doubt very excellent.
I think the first lexus was built in 1989 but before then Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, Audi and some other European automobile companies had already made a strong mark in the business. It's okay if lexus is trying to snatch off top spots, but the truth is, it will be difficult.
Ask yourself this, what lexus sedan stands today to knock the 2019 s65 amg (v12 biturbo) off that spot, in terms of luxury & performance in one package? Even the s63? Lexus has that reliability edge no doubt, but alot of folks who drive those automobiles do not give so much thoughts towards reliability, for the fact that they are wealthy, they do it for prestige...
thank God you have agreed with alot of my key points in this write up.


Back to the topic of this thread. Let me ask you personally. Considering what you know about the “TWO COMPANIES”.

In Toyota and Mercedes, which is a “BETTER COMPANY”?

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by christopher123(m): 11:46am On Feb 26, 2020
DownChelsea:
the lexus es is the on par with the 5series(not in price oo) but in class.

BUT.

Actually the 5series doesn’t look at the es, it looks at the gs instead.

It’s the gs that the 5series and e class see as their main competition
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by yungboss(m): 12:26pm On Feb 26, 2020
DownChelsea:
thank God you have agreed with alot of my key points in this write up.


Back to the topic of this thread. Let me ask you personally. Considering what you know about the “TWO COMPANIES”.

In Toyota and Mercedes, which is a “BETTER COMPANY”?

Difficult to give a rounded, all-inclusive response.
Most Toyota cars are reliable, user-friendly, docile, cheap to-run, economy cars that cover many aspects of automobile transportation. These qualities make them attractive to the common people. For this reason alone Toyota sells more cars than Mercedes. It is a strategy which they have used to outsell many other brands in the automobile market and this is their focus.
Looking at it from luxury perspective, I guess Mercedes and BMW sell more cars every year than lexus.
There is so much to the question "Toyota and Mercedes which is a better company?"

You can look at it from these lines:

In terms of annual income declared, Toyota.
Number of cars sold, Toyota.
Prestige and comfort, Mercedes.
In the sports and performance, Mercedes.
Brand image, maybe Mercedes.
Reliability, Toyota.
Safety, Mercedes.
Luxury, Mercedes.

Compared to Toyota, Mercedes has a bigger budget in research, design and development for their products, I think the german automobile companies generally do. They design the cars to please the driver behind the steering wheel.

(Toyota confirmed that in the joint Supra project they had with BMW).
Toyota, on the other hand may not be bothered about the 'feel' or driver enthusiasm factor, but simplicity and efficiency they would care more about.

Alot more indices to consider. I own both these products so i see them as two different cars, Good for their own purpose. The W204 c350 is one of the best cars on the highway, it is comfortable and fast, much faster than my Toyota Matrix. But the aircon system in the benz is finicky compared to that of the matrix, the latter is indestructible. But It makes no sense to compare a matrix to a w204 c350...

So for me, there is no clear cut answer, a little bias will tip towards Mercedes because as a customer, their products appeal to my sense of personality and attraction towards automobile.

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by DownChelsea(f): 12:30pm On Feb 26, 2020
yungboss:


Difficult to give a rounded, all-inclusive response.
Most Toyota cars are reliable, user-friendly, docile, cheap to-run, economy cars that cover many aspects of automobile transportation. These qualities make them attractive to the common people. For this reason alone Toyota has sold more cars than Mercedes. It is strategy which they have used to outsell many other brands and this is their focus.
Looking at it from the luxury perspective, I guess Mercedes and BMW sell more cars every year than lexus.
There is so much to the question- Toyota and Mercedes which is a better company-
You can look at it from these lines:

In terms of annual income declared, Toyota (sale of many small 'easy' cars)
Number of cars sold, Toyota.
Prestige and comfort, Mercedes.
In the sports and performance, Mercedes.
Brand image, maybe Mercedes.
Reliability, Toyota.
Safety, Mercedes.

Compared to Toyota, Mercedes spends more in research, design and development of their products, I think the german automobile companies generally do. They design the cars to please the driver behind the steering wheel.

(Toyota confirmed that in the joint Supra project they had with BMW).
Toyota, on the other hand may not be bothered about the 'feel' or driver enthusiasm factor, but simplicity and efficiency they would care more about.

Alot more indices to consider. I own both these products so i see them as two different cars, Good for their own purpose. The W204 c350 is one of the best cars on the highway, it is comfortable and fast, much faster than my Toyota Matrix. But the aircon system in the benz is finicky compared to that of the matrix, the latter is indestructible. But It makes no sense to compare a matrix to a w204 c350...

So for me, there is no clear cut answer, a little bias will tip towards Mercedes because as a customer, their products appeal to my sense of personality and automobile attraction.


you can’t speak as a consumer.
Cos the question ab-initio was is respect of the “corporate entities” themselves.

That the Toyota company is a superior/better (or bigger) corporate entity is something that is not in doubt.

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by yungboss(m): 12:38pm On Feb 26, 2020
DownChelsea:
you can’t speak as a consumer.
Cos the question ab-initio was is respect of the “corporate entities” themselves.

That the Toyota company is a superior/better (or bigger) corporate entity is something that is not in doubt.

"Superior/Better" in what area if i may ask? Break it down
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by DownChelsea(f): 1:20pm On Feb 26, 2020
yungboss:


"Superior/Better" in what area if i may ask? Break it down
it’s too simple, for google not to be of help. You know what to do
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by yungboss(m): 1:42pm On Feb 26, 2020
DownChelsea:
it’s too simple, for google not to be of help. You know what to do
Please paste a link here of that reliable site/report, which states that Toyota is a better company than Mercedes.
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by christopher123(m): 1:47pm On Feb 26, 2020
yungboss:

Please paste a link here of that reliable site/report, which states that Toyota is a better company than Mercedes.
Reliability and trust come from actions in the right direction, nothing else.

Since the beginning, Mercedes-Benz engineers have devoted each minute of their time to a moment they hope never happens.

It's like being ready for the worst because they make the best anyway.

In the process, they’ve set benchmarks that the rest of the automotive industry follows to this day. Mercedes-Benz vehicles are designed to protect you in ways that you might have never imagined — and with the hope that you’ll never have to.

Innovation has always fueled the passion of Mercedes-Benz engineers to pioneer safety technologies. They’ve made history for introducing many of the safety features that are now commonplace in the industry. Below are just a few of the milestones that have made their debut on a Mercedes-Benz vehicle.

1951 – The crumple zone
1971 – A patent for the airbag
1978 – Antilock Braking System (ABS)
1985 – Electronic traction control
1997 – Automatic child-seat recognition
1998 – Side curtain airbags
2005 – Night view assist
2012 – Surround-view system
It's not to say that others couldn't have figured it out, but Mercedes-Benz did it first.

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by christopher123(m): 1:51pm On Feb 26, 2020
It's not just about its brand name for considering its expensive cars in the market.

Mercedes deals with the one's safety first then it's power.Mercedes have great innovations that increases its valve and preference than the other companies.

Mercedes done soo many innovation that one can never think. Mercedes provides surety and security while driving their cars. With safety and power Mercedes have luxurious interior in it.

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by yungboss(m): 2:03pm On Feb 26, 2020
christopher123:
It's not just about its brand name for considering its expensive cars in the market.

Mercedes deals with the one's safety first then it's power.Mercedes have great innovations that increases its valve and preference than the other companies.

Mercedes done soo many innovation that one can never think. Mercedes provides surety and security while driving their cars. With safety and power Mercedes have luxurious interior in it.
The issue is, I don't know what the lady has in mind. She made reference to Toyota being the better company, not referring to any standards of assessment. She made reference to Google, and Google makes reference to various sites and no clear cut definitive answer.
I wonder how one could make a general comment without any reference, the Op's question is the root of this controversy...

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by djon78(m): 3:51pm On Feb 27, 2020
yungboss:

The issue is, I don't know what the lady has in mind. She made reference to Toyota being the better company, not referring to any standards of assessment. She made reference to Google, and Google makes reference to various sites and no clear cut definitive answer.
I wonder how one could make a general comment without any reference, the Op's question is the root of this controversy...



What's Toyota's market capitalization versus Mercedes?

Toyota is number one automaker in the world while Mercedes is ranked number 9.

Toyota is a bigger company based on revenue and profits.

There are way more people driving Toyota's to Mercedes.

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by AmuDimpka: 6:02pm On Feb 27, 2020
djon78:




What's Toyota's market capitalization versus Mercedes?

Toyota is number one automaker in the world while Mercedes is ranked number 9.

Toyota is a bigger company based on revenue and profits.

There are way more people driving Toyota's to Mercedes.


People seff

So Toyota is the number one automaker doesn't make their products best..

Is Toyota better than Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini....these firms produce for niche market unlike Toyota that produces for everyone

Just like Benz....Benz isn't a car for everyone . Toyota is a car for everyone

Understand the concept of niche market

Because you sell 20 bags of pure water doesn't make pure water better than Eva or nestle bottled water


Understand this concept

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by djon78(m): 1:25pm On Feb 28, 2020
AmuDimpka:



People seff

So Toyota is the number one automaker doesn't make their products best..

Is Toyota better than Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini....these firms produce for niche market unlike Toyota that produces for everyone

Just like Benz....Benz isn't a car for everyone . Toyota is a car for everyone

Understand the concept of niche market

Because you sell 20 bags of pure water doesn't make pure water better than Eva or nestle bottled water


Understand this concept


You didn't answer my question.
Benz is in niche market what's there market capitalization versus Toyota?

From market capitalization you understand how vast the scope of each is.

Example amazon, Apple, Microsoft and google all have there market capitalization in the trillion dollars segment.

Toyotas market capitalization is about $300billion while Mercedes capitalization is not up to $50billion.

Toyota is a much bigger company in comparison to Mercedes.

You are talking about niche marketing, Toyotas marketing strategy is different from Mercedes. They are in every segment of the market even the niche market that's why Lexus was made to compete in the segment of Mercedes market.

So I don't see any basis someone comparing the two business wise. Toyota are excellent with there strategy and at what the do that's why they are number one automaker in the world.

They have bigger capitalization
They have bigger revenues
They have bigger profit
They are the market leader number 1

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by clearcutz(m): 4:16pm On Feb 28, 2020
djon78:



You didn't answer my question.
Benz is in niche market what's there market capitalization versus Toyota?

From market capitalization you understand how vast the scope of each is.

Example amazon, Apple, Microsoft and google all have there market capitalization in the trillion dollars segment.

Toyotas market capitalization is about $300billion while Mercedes capitalization is not up to $50billion.

Toyota is a much bigger company in comparison to Mercedes.

You are talking about niche marketing, Toyotas marketing strategy is different from Mercedes. They are in every segment of the market even the niche market that's why Lexus was made to compete in the segment of Mercedes market.

So I don't see any basis someone comparing the two business wise. Toyota are excellent with there strategy and at what the do that's why they are number one automaker in the world.

They have bigger capitalization
They have bigger revenues
They have bigger profit
They are the market leader number 1

You sabi. grin

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by AmuDimpka: 7:33pm On Feb 28, 2020
djon78:



You didn't answer my question.
Benz is in niche market what's there market capitalization versus Toyota?

From market capitalization you understand how vast the scope of each is.

Example amazon, Apple, Microsoft and google all have there market capitalization in the trillion dollars segment.

Toyotas market capitalization is about $300billion while Mercedes capitalization is not up to $50billion.

Toyota is a much bigger company in comparison to Mercedes.

You are talking about niche marketing, Toyotas marketing strategy is different from Mercedes. They are in every segment of the market even the niche market that's why Lexus was made to compete in the segment of Mercedes market.

So I don't see any basis someone comparing the two business wise. Toyota are excellent with there strategy and at what the do that's why they are number one automaker in the world.

They have bigger capitalization
They have bigger revenues
They have bigger profit
They are the market leader number 1


Bigger doesn't mean quality
.....okay to make you happy

Toyota is bigger than Benz
Bigger than BMW
Niger than Ferrari
Bigger than Lamborghinis
Bigger than Aston Martin
Bigger than Rolls Royce


Are you happy now ?

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by djon78(m): 2:10pm On Feb 29, 2020
AmuDimpka:


Bigger doesn't mean quality
.....okay to make you happy

Toyota is bigger than Benz
Bigger than BMW
Niger than Ferrari
Bigger than Lamborghinis
Bigger than Aston Martin
Bigger than Rolls Royce


Are you happy now ?


Whatever you like say

But number 1 automaker in the world is
Toyota

You talk about quality
Quality may mean different thing to a customer
It's a customer that determines the quality he expects
That's where customer satisfaction icomes to play
But for millions of Toyota's customers purchasing there products worldwide
Yes it's quality to them
As long as there wants are satisfied

The results/patronage speaks for itself

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by 9icetoo(m): 6:03pm On Feb 29, 2020
AmuDimpka:


Bigger doesn't mean quality
.....okay to make you happy

Toyota is bigger than Benz
Bigger than BMW
Niger than Ferrari
Bigger than Lamborghinis
Bigger than Aston Martin
Bigger than Rolls Royce


Are you happy now ?
Quality begets reliability.
You can't separate them.
Low quality results to low reliability. High quality begets high reliability.
Do not mistake quality for luxury. They are two totally different things.

Don't get it twisted.

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by Nobody: 6:07pm On Feb 29, 2020
9icetoo:

Quality begets reliability.
You can't separate them.
Low quality results to low reliability. High quality begets high reliability.
Do not mistake quality for luxury. They are two totally different things.

Don't get it twisted.

You're making a mistake.
Durability= Mercedes Benz (non debatable)
Reliability= Toyota (very debatable)

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by yungboss(m): 8:49pm On Feb 29, 2020
9icetoo:

Quality begets reliability.
You can't separate them.
Low quality results to low reliability. High quality begets high reliability.
Do not mistake quality for luxury. They are two totally different things.

Don't get it twisted.

I'm sure you know that what you stated is not entirely correct?

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Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by AmuDimpka: 12:09am On Mar 01, 2020
9icetoo:

Quality begets reliability.
You can't separate them.
Low quality results to low reliability. High quality begets high reliability.
Do not mistake quality for luxury. They are two totally different things.

Don't get it twisted.



We don hear


Toyota is the best in the whole world....are you happy now
Re: Is Toyota A Better Company Than Mercedes? by AmuDimpka: 12:11am On Mar 01, 2020
9icetoo:

Quality begets reliability.
You can't separate them.
Low quality results to low reliability. High quality begets high reliability.
Do not mistake quality for luxury. They are two totally different things.

Don't get it twisted.


We don hear

But I would take Toyota serious wig their kiosk when they win the highest competition in cars which is Formula 1 racing

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