Rumxy:


I gave you a reputable list of all the well known pan africanists in history which also included the names of the people you mentioned but you decided to single out Zik maybe because he is a nigerian or not from your preferred ethnicity, I can't really tell but you can go read his biography maybe you might be more enlightened after that.


Note that I never said he was a saint but everybody has a good and bad side. Gracias

He was associated with that list but my point is, he wasn't prominent outside Nigeria.

Rumxy:


So far as Borno state politics is concerned, Tinubu is nobody there, the real godfather there is Ali Modu Sheriff. For Ondo case, pdp was already in tatters and it was obvious APC was going to win regardless of who emerges winner in the primaries. The real battle was in the primaries where Oyegun worked against Tinubu's interest that led to the emergence of Aketi. It was so obvious that APC would win that Mimiko has to agree to work for APC so that he would be given a soft landing and not be probed. Even if there was Tinubu's impact, it was almost insignificant considering the situation of things then.

About ondo state primary election, Tinubu had a very massive influence. He only overplayed himself. Too much smartness kills atimes. From Tinubu's camp alone, three leading candidates contested. Tinubu personally bankrolled Segun Abraham, he funded Borrofice's campaign through his wife(Remi Tinubu). Then Sola Oke was supported by Aregbesola on the instruction of Tinubu. Aketi narrowly won Segun Abraham with 11 votes then Oke and Borrofice with less than 100votes each. Tinubu's camp had more than 65% of the total votes from that election.

Why they didn't support a candidate remains one of the greatest Tinubu's political mistake. This he said without mincing words

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senatordave1:

Obj own ended in 2007 sir.there's no evidence that he controlled gej or yaradua.how come people he supported always lost elections even when pdp was in power? His inability to remove tinubu in 2003 showed tinubu's superiority.another chance came in 2007 and he failed.guy,tinubu left lagos,supported a candidate in ogun and bested obj.even obj daughter.how else do you want to compare na

Obj never ended in 2007, he had a very close relationship with the yaradua family because of Shehu Yaradua, I guess that was why he picked Umaru Yaradua to replace him. That he gave yaradua and Jonathan free hands and wasn't over bearing didn't mean that he didn't have influence in their governments. His influence ended when he fell out with Jonathan and tore his membership card therefore switching his allegiance to Buhari. There was no how Buhari would give him space to dictate anything in his government. Buhari's gov retired him politically.

Tinubu wasn't the only Governor that challenged OBJ then, Orji Kali also resisted him which led to Orji leaving PDP to form PPA and still retained his seat and even installed his successor under same PPA.

As for his state, yoruba in general never really revered him even up till now, so that was y he never had total control of SW.

Kenplay:
Wait oo… Out of the 36 states, how many of them does Tinubu have a say. If I can remember even in the SW he has no influence in Ekiti, Ondo and OYO. Then how do those illiterates just wake up and begin to give him and imaginary crown that doesnt even exist.

When will this dingbats realise that the Northern cabals used tinubu like a sanitary pad. This Northern Oligach has taken full controy and if Tinubu dare mess up will be dealt with.

How long will the SW stop living in dream land and realise that their 2023 ambition has a dark hope. How can a large group of people chose to be naive? The last time I check most Tinubu appointee has been booted from their job, e.g the guy in FIRS and others.

And lastly I will like to remind my SW brothers that politically they have made a grave mistake burning their southern bridge. Now if eventually a SW man pick the APC ticket in 2023 how can a win a divided north with and opposing south? How? How? How? .this are the question to be ask instead jumping around shouting Tinubu is the greatest bla bla. Let me also add this picture of who the SW is calling their messiah

Southern bridge never existed.

Awolowo lost in most Igbo states when he contested

Igbos didn't vote Abiola, instead, majority of their votes went to Tofa.

Again, Yorubas tried their luck in 1999 again by favouring Olu Falae, they didn't vote him but supported a northern candidate in Obj.

If on those three important occasions, your brothers didn't think of southern unity, why are you thinking about it now?

Yorubas were betrayed on those three occasions by their imaginary southern brothers.

Nexus25:


About ondo state primary election, Tinubu had a very massive influence. He only overplayed himself. Too much smartness kills atimes. From Tinubu's camp alone, three leading candidates contested. Tinubu personally bankrolled Segun Abraham, he funded Borrofice's campaign through his wife(Remi Tinubu). Then Sola Oke was supported by Aregbesola on the instruction of Tinubu. Aketi narrowly won Segun Abraham with 11 votes then Oke and Borrofice with less than 100votes each. Tinubu's camp had more than 65% of the total votes from that election.

Why they didn't support a candidate remains one of the greatest Tinubu's political mistake. This he said without mincing words

From what you explained above, can you confidently say that Tinubu made Akeredolu governor?

Rumxy:


Obj never ended in 2007, he had a very close relationship with the yaradua family because of Shehu Yaradua, I guess that was why he picked Umaru Yaradua to replace him. That he gave yaradua and Jonathan free hands and wasn't over bearing didn't mean that he didn't have influence in their governments. His influence ended when he fell out with Jonathan and tore his membership card therefore switching his allegiance to Buhari. There was no how Buhari would give him space to dictate anything in his government. Buhari's gov retired him politically.

Tinubu wasn't the only Governor that challenged OBJ then, Orji Kali also resisted him which led to Orji leaving PDP to form PPA and still retained his seat and even installed his successor under same PPA.

As for his state, yoruba in general never really revered him even up till now, so that was y he never had total control of SW.

You cant go around him being defeated in his state that he won in 2003 and 2007.sorry.it ends here.tinubu wins it

Rumxy:


From what you explained above, can you confidently say that Tinubu made Akeredolu governor?

No but in the end his party won.you can see tinubu's tactical superiority at play

kayfra:


He was associated with that list but my point is, he wasn't prominent outside Nigeria.

Wow at least I schooled in Ghana and most of my classmates talk about Zik of Africa as they call him. He might not be as popular as some of the names there but can you vouch that you have heard of some of those names before. Moreover when you die during a struggle, you tend to be more popular than those that attain old age though this is not factual anyway but we see it most times.

Rumxy:


From what you explained above, can you confidently say that Tinubu made Akeredolu governor?

Yes, election didn't end at the primary as alluded to in your earlier post. Mimiko was a political giant in the state, those of us in APC feared him. Tinubu collapsed his structure for Akeredolu to win the election.

Are you aware Akeredolu sacked about 5 of his commissioners nominated by Tinubu because of the fear of the next election? If Tinubu didn't contribute to his victory, would he had given Tinubu any slot?

Akeredolu has been parading Bourdillion since the beginning of this year trying to curry Tinubu's favour. You ask to what ends If BAT doesn't wield a significant influence?

The sacked commissioners? He went to explain himself

On Ekiti, Fayemi is a student of Tinubu's political college.

He made him governor. No matter what, Fayemi knows his root and recognises the role of BAT in his political voyage.

Nexus25:


Yes, election didn't end at the primary as alluded to in your earlier post. Mimiko was a political giant in the state, those of us in APC feared him. Tinubu collapsed his structure for Akeredolu to win the election.

Are you aware Akeredolu sacked about 5 of his commissioners nominated by Tinubu because of the fear of the next election? If Tinubu didn't contribute to his victory, would he had given Tinubu any slot?

Akeredolu has been parading Bourdillion since the beginning of this year trying to curry Tinubu's favour. You ask to what ends If BAT doesn't wield a significant influence?

The sacked commissioners? He went to explain himself

Tinubu had no choice than to collapse his structures with Aketi because he can't work against APC as he has already lost at the primaries. He is a good politician because to him the party comes first and he is not a vindictive politician. In politics, u can never win all. Some would rather sponsor a candidate from another party.
For mimiko, he became powerless after pdp lost at the centre and at the same time pdp had two factions, his annointed candidate and sheriff's candidate Jim oh Ibrahim. A divided house can never stand as we have seen this period as APC lost many states due to internal factions.
Giving Tinubu the commissioners slots does not mean that Tinubu contributed even 50% to his emergence.Sometimes things are done for peace to reign.

Nexus25:
On Ekiti, Fayemi is a student of Tinubu's political college.

He made him governor. No matter what, Fayemi knows his roots and recognises the role of BAT in his political voyage.

it all boils down to what I have been saying on this thread. I am not arguing about Tinubu's sagacity in the west. Before you term somebody greatest in Nigerian politics, the person should have follower ship in at least two thirds of the country not only your region. He doesn't control the hausa fulani, he doesn't control Igbos neither does he control Niger deltans so what's all the fuse about being greatest.

Rumxy:


Tinubu had no choice than to collapse his structures with Aketi because he can't work against APC as he has already lost at the primaries. He is a good politician because to him the party comes first and he is not a vindictive politician. In politics, u can never win all. Some would rather sponsor a candidate from another party.
For mimiko, he became powerless after pdp lost at the centre and at the same time pdp had two factions, his annointed candidate and sheriff's candidate Jim oh Ibrahim. A divided house can never stand as we have seen this period as APC lost many states due to internal factions.
Giving Tinubu the commissioners slots does not mean that Tinubu contributed even 50% to his emergence.Sometimes things are done for peace to reign.

Tinubu singlehandedly nominated the second and fourth citizens in the country.

Being the greatest is debatable but as the most strategic, advanced and sophisticated politician, no individual comes close in this republic

I do not think so...

But give the man some credits, he is good @ what he does.

Rumxy:



it all boils down to what I have been saying on this thread. I am not arguing about Tinubu's sagacity in the west. Before you term somebody greatest in Nigerian politics, the person should have follower ship in at least two thirds of the country not only your region. He doesn't control the hausa fulani, he doesn't control Igbos neither does he control Niger deltans so what's all the fuse about being greatest.

You are wrong, Edo is not west but he was instrumental to the emergence of Oshiomole.

Kogi is not west but he handpicked his boy(Faleke) from Lagos to deputise the late Audu

Kwara is not west but he used his otoge media creation to sweep the "Almighty " Saraki away from Kwara.

Bayelsa is not west but the sacked governor paid him homage the second day he was declared winner.

I just highlighted few of the instances, I could go on and on.

The real political players in Nigeria know his worth.

You think if was by mouth Buhari conceded to all Tinubu's request in the last election?

Nexus25:


You are wrong, Edo is not west but he was instrumental to the emergence of Oshiomole.

Kogi is not west but he handpicked his boy(Faleke) from Lagos to deputise the late Audu

Kwara is not west but he used his otoge media creation to sweep the "Almighty " Saraki away from Kwara.

Bayelsa is not west but the sacked governor paid him homage the second day he was declared winner.

I just highlighted few of the instances, I could go on and on.

The real political players in Nigeria know his worth.

You think if was by mouth Buhari conceded to all Tinubu's request in the last election?

Just say that anybody that contests under APC is Tinubu's boy. Are you okay now.

Nexus25:


Tinubu singlehandedly nominated the second and fourth citizens in the country.

Being the greatest is debatable but as the most strategic, advanced and sophisticated politician, no individual comes close in this republic

I will say most strategic.

Rumxy:


Wow at least I schooled in Ghana and most of my classmates talk about Zik of Africa as they call him. He might not be as popular as some of the names there but can you vouch that you have heard of some of those names before. Moreover when you die during a struggle, you tend to be more popular than those that attain old age though this is not factual anyway but we see it most times.

Ok. Let's give him minor props for making the list with zero impact

Kenplay:

You are truely an empty dunce. Now crawl back to the hole you came out from. gosh!!! Kids has taken over Nairaland.

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Knuckle dragger. You've run out of your 5MB quota. Now, run along

Rumxy:


Just say that anybody that contests under APC is Tinubu's boy. Are you okay now.

I have passed my message.

Thank you for your time.

Tinubu2023!!!

Nexus25:


You are wrong, Edo is not west but he was instrumental to the emergence of Oshiomole.

Kogi is not west but he handpicked his boy(Faleke) from Lagos to deputise the late Audu

Kwara is not west but he used his otoge media creation to sweep the "Almighty " Saraki away from Kwara.

Bayelsa is not west but the sacked governor paid him homage the second day he was declared winner.

I just highlighted few of the instances, I could go on and on.

The real political players in Nigeria know his worth.

You think if was by mouth Buhari conceded to all Tinubu's request in the last election?

Tinubu is powerful in APC no doubt but he can't have personal interest in all state elections. That someone wins under APC and goes to thank him as a national leader of the party doesn't mean that he installed the person like Bayelsa. He has a duty to support anybody contesting under Apc regardless of whether the person wins or not. It won't make sense ascribing every Apc victory to him.
Like I said earlier the real power and influence lies in the hands of Buhari and his cabal.

Rumxy:



it all boils down to what I have been saying on this thread. I am not arguing about Tinubu's sagacity in the west. Before you term somebody greatest in Nigerian politics, the person should have follower ship in at least two thirds of the country not only your region. He doesn't control the hausa fulani, he doesn't control Igbos neither does he control Niger deltans so what's all the fuse about being greatest.

He has links,tentacles and spread more than anyone else

kayfra:


Ok. Let's give him minor props for making the list with zero impact

No impact and he was among the major proponents of achieving Nigeria's independence. During that era,the major struggle for the few black intellectuals then was the liberation and emancipation of the black man. This was what all those people in that list fought for including Zik. For those in Africa then, the liberation came through Independence of their countries from the colonial masters while for those in USA and Europe, it came through enforcing social equality and ending racism.
The Mandela and Nkrumah that you are celebrating, is not because they fought for their countries independence? How is it different from Zik or is it because Zik wasn't sentenced to prison that you now downplay his roles.
Please let's learn to appreciate our own sometimes and study history more. thanks

Rumxy:


No impact and he was among the major proponents of achieving Nigeria's independence. During that era,the major struggle for the few black intellectuals then was the liberation and emancipation of the black man. This was what all those people in that list fought for including Zik. For those in Africa then, the liberation came through Independence of their countries from the colonial masters while for those in USA and Europe, it came through enforcing social equality and ending racism.
The Mandela and Nkrumah that you are celebrating, is not because they fought for their countries independence? How is it different from Zik or is it because Zik wasn't sentenced to prison that you now downplay his roles.
Please let's learn to appreciate our own sometimes and study history more. thanks

Herbert Macaulay laid the ground for all that fight. Zik was one of his mentees amongst others.

kayfra:


Herbert Macaulay laid the ground for all that fight. Zik was one of his mentees amongst others.

Zik started his struggle way back in the US together with people like Nkrumah. When he came to Africa, his first point of call was in Ghana where he continued the struggle using his newspapers. Down to Nigeria, Macaulay was the leader of the movement already when Zik joined his party. After his death, he became the leader of the struggle in Nigeria. Now ask yourself why didnt we hear Macaulay of Africa, Awolowo of Africa, Bello of Africa? This is because Zik was among those that fought for the liberation of the black man, Africa and Nigeria while his contemporaries then focused on Nigeria then and some even their tribes alone. Seeing him in that list is in no way accidental because his political teachings and ideologies extended across Africa. Little wonder he was the only advocate of One Nigeria among his peers. That is the essence of Pan-africanism.
We have over flogged this issue but it might benefit u to read more history books. Thanks

Rumxy:


Zik started his struggle way back in the US together with people like Nkrumah. When he came to Africa, his first point of call was in Ghana where he continued the struggle using his newspapers. Down to Nigeria, Macaulay was the leader of the movement already when Zik joined his party. After his death, he became the leader of the struggle in Nigeria. Now ask yourself why didnt we hear Macaulay of Africa, Awolowo of Africa, Bello of Africa? This is because Zik was among those that fought for the liberation of the black man, Africa and Nigeria while his contemporaries then focused on Nigeria then and some even their tribes alone. Seeing him in that list is in no way accidental because his political teachings and ideologies extended across Africa. Little wonder he was the only advocate of One Nigeria among his peers. That is the essence of Pan-africanism.
We have over flogged this issue but it might benefit u to read more history books. Thanks

He was not the only advocate,several other nationalists also joinedvin the struggle

senatordave1:

He was not the only advocate,several other nationalists also joinedvin the struggle

Of course he was not the only one but he was the most prominent among all of them then.

senatordave1:

But he's greater than saraki

When he becomes senate president we can have this debete again.For now The highest position Tinubu occupied is the office of the lagos state Governor

PaChukwudi44:

When he becomes senate president we can have this debete again.For now The highest position Tinubu occupied is the office of the lagos state Governor

Why become senate president? Is he in the senate? He has destroyed saraki politically boy

Rumxy:


Of course he was not the only one but he was the most prominent among all of them then.

He wasn't sir.all were promoting.he was not exceptional.see,whoever usually leads the fight for independence in any African country usually ends up leading the country.by 1960,Ahmadu bello was the most powerful figure.

See,there is nothing zik did that was particularly exveptional or new that others didnt.but there are several things awo did that zik didnt