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Mbakuthegreat:
You are ignorant.... Companies are already moving from China due to high labour costs to Africa. Countries like India and Pakistan has been the attraction after chinas increase of labour cost but so has African countries such as Ethiopia which has had alot of foreign investment and has helped its GDP growth to almost 100 biljon now. Ethiopias population isn't necesary more educated than Nigerias but foreigns feel its investment friendly with a big population meaning bigger market.

So, that thing that makes China go to countries like India and Pakistan and Ethiopia that are investment friendly, is, in you very unignorant opinion, not their superior education levels that enables them ro organise and that Nigeria lacks?

You said it rightly, But Few successful Nigerians means nothing when you will see in foreign newspapers a story related to Drugs, Scam, Prostitution rings activities of Nigerian immigrants.
There are so many Nigerian bad fishes abroad they overshadows every good positive Nigerian. In foreign lands if you are Black you are Nigerian (Unless you show them your passport) and due to this we all are seen like this.

Yes Nigerians have huge diaspora be it India, China, Uk, Malaysia, Korea etc, Image of Nigerian passport is so tarnished by these criminals that a good Nigerian Student, hardworking expects have to suffer, when any flight from Nigeria lands they deploys additional Sniffer dog squad, Anti Narco Agents, Passport vigilant teams at New Delhi, Mumbai, Shanghai, Kula lampur etc. And People blame Nigerian embassy for incompetency, I think Nigerian diplomatic staff has seen so much of this saga in foreign lands that they are not interested to serve a good Nigerian as well. Key point is that If We are Black and lives abroad we are all Nigerian in Locals eyes.

Ikinternational:
Straight no chaser. Truth is often bitter

Africa is at least 100 yrs behind Europe/U.S.A

In 2020, light is uncommon. Bad roads is common.
In 2020, you will still see mud houses in Africa
In 2020, Africans still fetch water
In 2020, Africans still don't know how to practice sanitation
In 2020, poor Africans still have not accepted the idea of family planning

Throw in visionless leaders n bad leadership coupled with no technological innovation, why wouldn't the world look down on us.

And based on how some Nigerians are excelling in renowned fields abroad, you know we're highly capable. That's the sad part

budaatum:
So, that thing that makes China go to countries like India and Pakistan and Ethiopia that are investment friendly, is, in you very unignorant opinion, not their superior education levels that enables them ro organise and that Nigeria lacks?

Haha
Okay they don't have the requisite brain or IQ to be organized and develop.

Now just try and make the environment investment friendly. They said no!

I think the only solution should be to separate people (both rich and poor) that want to remain retrogressive from those who want to move forward with huge wall of barrier between them.

Officialgarri:
There's only one reason

Africa has contributed nothing to the world

Western world see us the same way we look at a Fulani herder when he sits next to you in a public transport

In your mind, you'd be like ; where's he going to?
Can't he trek? Only God knows when last he took his bath!

Africa is a bug In the ass to the world.

budaatum:
So the problem is that we are collectively too ignorant to organise?

Didnt you comprehend what i just said? The difference between Africa and Europe is that in Africa we have the most ignorant people in power while our educated ones are busy working for europeans. We keep on losing.

budaatum:
So, that thing that makes China go to countries like India and Pakistan and Ethiopia that are investment friendly, is, in you very unignorant opinion, not their superior education levels that enables them ro organise and that Nigeria lacks?

Are you stupid? Companies moving in India and Pakistan are looking for cheap labour to manufacture easy stuff, most education based jobs are still in China. A lot of western clothes manufacturing companies are in Pakistan and India and they are even hiring children to do their job, do you believe these poor childrens are genius? How superior is Ethiopias education than the Nigerian, if it even is? Again top education based jobs will continue to remain in western countries and china for a long while, but jobs that anyone, even your illiterate tribesman can do with some training are moving into countries with cheap labour.... I shouldn't have to explain this.....

@Ugwuoke347

I was wondering, is it the Igbos who are in Sicily selling their own women?

Africans are hated because they are disorganized, lack common sense, lack critical and logical reasoning ability, less curious (he waits for the white man to provide for him and tell him what to do), lacks investigative skills, low self confidence before a white man, etc
But all these traits makes Africans look more foolish to a typical white man.

An African man will sell his future and entire generation for less.
Alot. So many reasons for them to hates us!
Not to talk of black Americans that plays the racists game when they are supposed to be smarter, go to school, trash gangster lifestyle, and prove the whites wrong.

Bemuda:
Africans are hated because they are disorganized, lack common sense, lack critical and logical reasoning ability, less curious (he waits for the white man to provide for him and tell him what to do), lacks investigative skills, low self confidence before a white man, etc
But all these traits makes Africans look more foolish to a typical white man.

An African man will sell his future and entire generation for less.
Alot. So many reasons for them to hates us!
Not to talk of black Americans that plays the racists game when they are supposed to be smarter, go to school, trash gangster lifestyle, and prove the whites wrong.

Would you say we lack all these things you listed is because we have not learnt to do better yet?

In my own opinion I think the reason why Africa is backward stems from the leaders left by colonial masters to take care of African countries after they left.

Nigeria as a case study had it own share of corrupt leaders at first but measures to checkmate this corrupt leaders laid the foundation for more greedy and empty leaders to occupy leadership positions.

Nigeria has been a reference point for any African country and other continent to view Africa.

The undoing of Nigeria is forcing about more than 5 tribes able to make a country in a confined territory to scamper for scarce resources. Nigeria couldn't manage itself so other African countries.

The tide is changing, in years to come some African countries will breakthrough leaving the ignorant ones to stay in their naivety.

In Biafra, Africa died. This quote was not to say that Biafra liberation could have produced the best country in Africa, NO but Nigeria decimation could have lead to a competative Africa.

Mbakuthegreat:
@Ugwuoke347

I was wondering, is it the Igbos who are in Sicily selling their own women?

And there he goes
baring his fangs at last.
Good to see you are just another
tribal extremist on the loose.
Your pan Africanist posturing
is a farce, to say the least.
Go cleanse yourself well,
Mr Odunmbaku.

Yujin:
This is why I'm ready to fight and die if need be to extricate my people from this Nigeria. Some unambitious people want us all to suffer the same fate. Tufiakwa! I'll never agree to that. This is essentially what IPOB is all about.

Keep firing up your zeal.
Biafraland shall need it
as soon as it is time to march.

Ugwuoke347:
And there he goes
baring his fangs at last.
Good to see you are just another
tribal extremist on the loose.
Your pan Africanist posturing
is a farce, to say the least.
Go cleanse yourself well,
Mr Odunmbaku.

Oga, first of all im not Nigerian but east african. My question is genuin, i just saw a documentary about Nigerian mafia taking over sicily but through selling their own women to europeans which is the most disgusting thing i've ever seen, and as an african there isn't anything more disgusting to me than seing african women being exploited like this by her own men whom should protect her. I'm was asking for you to set things clear whether it was Igbo men selling Igbo women. I dont have anything toward igbos, infact from what i've seen they are also some of the most successful nigerians living abroad. I also recently saw a documentary about Nigerian civil war which taught me more about the igbo situation. Link here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JCvIvb8PpY

@Ugwuoke347

oga notice me.

I think block stupidity has volumes to say about it.

Mbakuthegreat:
@Ugwuoke347

oga notice me.

Oh, forgive me, Mr Odunmbaku.
I should have replied before now.


I got your point.

That you are of East African origin is a falsity.
That you are completely devoid of prejudices
is subject to doubt.
That you are a bright mind is clear as crystal.
That you are disenchanted with how things are with Black Africans goes without saying.
That this thread you created is throwing up different perspectives and views on the matter under discussion is, to say the least, commendable.
It is good and gladdening to see that there is a crop of young Black Africans who have raised their mind and consciousness above the din and noise of common place distractions.
You may very well number among such.
By their fruits they are known.
I must say that the exchanges here have been
very fruitful and quite thought-provoking.
You started it all.
Thanks a bunch for that, Mr Odunmbaku.

Ugwuoke347:
Oh, forgive me, Mr Odunmbaku.
I should have replied before now.


I got your point.

That you are of East African origin is a falsity.
That you are completely devoid of prejudices
is subject to doubt.
That you are a bright mind is clear as crystal.
That you are disenchanted with how things are with Black Africans goes without saying.
That this thread you created is throwing up different perspectives and views on the matter under discussion is, to say the least, commendable.
It is good and gladdening to see that there is a crop of young Black Africans who have raised their mind and consciousness above the din and noise of common place distractions.
You may very well number among such.
By their fruits they are known.
I must say that the exchanges here have been
very fruitful and quite thought-provoking.
You started it all.
Thanks a bunch for that, Mr Odunmbaku.

Oga dont talk in riddles, wise people talk so others understand them.

Mbakuthegreat:
Oga dont talk in riddles, wise people talk so others understand them.

Now, that's not fair to say
I spoke in riddles.
I do not see any riddle in what I said.
Please, point out any part
that feels like a puzzle to you,
and I will put it differently.
I was thinking I was clear enough.
Come on, don't pretend
to have difficulties
understanding English speech.
I gave you good rating and commendation.
The least you could do is to thank me.
That's a basic demand of courtesy.
Be civil and socially polite, Mr Odunmbaku.

Mbakuthegreat:
Oga, first of all im not Nigerian but east african. My question is genuin, i just saw a documentary about Nigerian mafia taking over sicily but through selling their own women to europeans which is the most disgusting thing i've ever seen, and as an african there isn't anything more disgusting to me than seing african women being exploited like this by her own men whom should protect her. I'm was asking for you to set things clear whether it was Igbo men selling Igbo women. I dont have anything toward igbos, infact from what i've seen they are also some of the most successful nigerians living abroad. I also recently saw a documentary about Nigerian civil war which taught me more about the igbo situation. Link here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JCvIvb8PpY

Its NIGERIAN WOMEN THAT SELL THEIR FELLOW WOMEN NOT NIGERIAN MEN,the men just tag along for the money,if Nigerian women didnt sell their fellow women the men wouldnt do it,its the women that prey on their fellow women.besides,those tribes in italy are mostly benin(the Great Edo kingdom which was destroyed) not igbos

Ugwuoke347:
Now, that's not fair to say
I spoke in riddles.
I do not see any riddle in what I said.
Pease, point out any part
that feels like a puzzle to you,
and I will put it differently.
I was thinking I was clear enough.
Come on, don't pretend
to have difficulties
understanding English speech.
I gave you good rating and commendation.
The least you could do is to thank me.
That's a basic demand of courtesy.
Be civil and socially polite, Mr Odunmbaku.

You write as if you are writing a poem, its not wise, a simple conversation is nice. Now i'm asking, what are the measures being done to protect Nigerian women in Sicily? My initial question was whether if those nigerian men were igbos.

babasolution:
Its NIGERIAN WOMEN THAT SELL THEIR FELLOW WOMEN NOT NIGERIAN MEN,the men just tag along for the money,if Nigerian women didnt sell their fellow women the men wouldnt do it,its the women that prey on their fellow women.besides,those tribes in italy are mostly benin(the Great Edo kingdom which was destroyed) not igbos

Oga please dont talk nonsense, there are plenty of documents in papper form and video on youtube showing nigerian women being pimped by nigerian men... Lets say if its true that its nigerian women doing it, how could you as men lets your wives love-vendor out your daughters like that to european men? Dont you have anyself respect and pride? Nonsense.

Mbakuthegreat:
You write as if you are writing a poem, its not wise, a simple conversation is nice. Now i'm asking, what are the measures being done to protect Nigerian women in Sicily? My initial question was whether if those nigerian men were igbos.

You want me to speak in
pedestrian tongue.
No, sir.
My speech is clear enough.
I prefer to arrange sentences in verse.
And that's still for the sake of clarity.
Because one can easily locate
and pick out a line or lines for reference.
That is a matter of style.
You are being mischievous
by saying it is not "wise".
You will have to rewire your
your appreciation of diverse
possibilities of use of language.


Now to your question.
I am wondering why
I should be burdened
with such a question.
Sicily is an Italian city.
The city has a mayor.
It is the job of Italian government
to see to law and order in it's territory.
I am not part of any government.
It is also the duty of Nigerian government
to cowork with Italian government
to curb trafficking of Nigerian girls in Italy.

Mbakuthegreat:
Oga please dont talk nonsense, there are plenty of documents in papper form and video on youtube showing nigerian women being pimped by nigerian men... Lets say if its true that its nigerian women doing it, how could you as men lets your wives love-vendor out your daughters like that to european men? Dont you have anyself respect and pride? Nonsense.

Oga its the women doing it,its an open secret here in Nigeria,those foreign media dont understand the workings behind the whole thing,they just show women as victims and men as the oppressors,but they dont understand that its deeper than that,even in the video you claimed to watch about Nigerian mafia in sicily,it was clearly shown that the women were the pimps,also,like i said previously,this is majorly done by a particular tribe in Nigeria called Edo,for whatever reason they are inclined to it,everyone in Nigeria knows the Edo(benin city) girls as wayward and whores,i dont really know why they fell to such a state,given that the Edo kingdom was one of the greatest African kingdoms,but since the british decimated their city,they have been struggling to reestablish themselves although they have some of the wealthiest people in Nigeria,their women have built an infamous reputation as whores and prostitutes even locally here in Nigeria before they extended it abroad, my thinking is that probably after the decimation by the british,their economy was destroyed and maybe the women had to survive by prostitution as is most times the case for women in war torn nations,since they not so populous like the hausa,igbo etc,they couldnt get good representation in politics and therefore lower economic potential,but like the igbos,they are also very enterprising,many of them are some of the richest people in Nigeria.,most of these girls are street girls from very poor homes,girls who have grown up from the streets right from childhood,most without fathers,children born to single mothers or in polygamous homes in villages who their fathers are hardly aware of.So they are very vulnerable and exploited by experienced women.By the way they are many of such girls locally here,its not about servicing european men.The Nigerian men/leaders of the older generation have completely decimated the lives of most nigerian youths,if we had our way these things will never happen,but the mentally colonised wicked generation of our fathers have destroyed the country,the only hope is that they change their ways or a terrible war is imminent in Nigeria,warm ups have already been made by nigerdelta militants and now bokoharam,but the mother of all will soon break out in Nigeria if there is no changes soon.

babasolution:
Oga its the women doing it,its an open secret here in Nigeria,those foreign media dont understand the workings behind the whole thing,they just show women as victims and men as the oppressors,but they dont understand that its deeper than that,even in the video you claimed to watch about Nigerian mafia in sicily,it was clearly shown that the women were the pimps,also,like i said previously,this is majorly done by a particular tribe in Nigeria called Edo,for whatever reason they are inclined to it,everyone in Nigeria knows the Edo(benin city) girls as wayward and whores,i dont really know why they fell to such a state,given that the Edo kingdom was one of the greatest African kingdoms,but since the british decimated their city,they have been struggling to reestablish themselves although they have some of the wealthiest people in Nigeria,their women have built an infamous reputation as whores and prostitutes even locally here in Nigeria before they extended it abroad, my thinking is that probably after the decimation by the british,their economy was destroyed and maybe the women had to survive by prostitution as is most times the case for women in war torn nations,since they not so populous like the hausa,igbo etc,they couldnt get good representation in politics and therefore lower economic potential,but like the igbos,they are also very enterprising,many of them are some of the richest people in Nigeria.,most of these girls are street girls from very poor homes,girls who have grown up from the streets right from childhood,most without fathers,children born to single mothers or in polygamous homes in villages who their fathers are hardly aware of.So they are very vulnerable and exploited by experienced women.By the way they are many of such girls locally here,its not about servicing european men.The Nigerian men/leaders of the older generation have completely decimated the lives of most nigerian youths,if we had our way these things will never happen,but the mentally colonised wicked generation of our fathers have destroyed the country,the only hope is that they change their ways or a terrible war is imminent in Nigeria,warm ups have already been made by nigerdelta militants and now bokoharam,but the mother of all will soon break out in Nigeria if there is no changes soon.

thank you for the throughout explanation.

Mbakuthegreat:
Are you stupid? Companies moving in India and Pakistan are looking for cheap labour to manufacture easy stuff, most education based jobs are still in China. A lot of western clothes manufacturing companies are in Pakistan and India and they are even hiring children to do their job, do you believe these poor childrens are genius? How superior is Ethiopias education than the Nigerian, if it even is? Again top education based jobs will continue to remain in western countries and china for a long while, but jobs that anyone, even your illiterate tribesman can do with some training are moving into countries with cheap labour.... I shouldn't have to explain this.....

Instead of asking if others are stupid and peppering your posts with juvenile insults which just show you yourself are the stupid one here, why don't you just do some research for a change and find out how much those countries you mention spend on education per person and compare it to African countries?

You mentioned Pakistan and India, two countries with nuclear power! Are you aware that nuclearization is a product of education, and nations can't even buy it if they they lack proper knowledge of it? They can try, of course, but would end up with lemons since they can't adequately access what they are buying.

That said, Africans are not hated all over the world, but going by how you have conducted yourself here, I am absolutely certain you are more likely to be hated all over the world than liked, because if you conduct yourself in a way that is uncivil you most certainly will be hated and its not because you are African but because you lack manners.

Have you visited any of above stated countries?
Forget about India (That is in different class and within 8,9 years going to rule the world along with China and US).
Firstly Pakistan makes fabrics not clothes on large scale No western company is moving to Pakistan. Update yourself and go to IMF website and see Pakistan is on verge of collapse and running on IMF program, Secondly there are not big apparel manufacturer from west, Most of them from Asia, Western brands just give them contract ordered. India infect discouraging apparel industries and dont want low end , low skill jobs in country. that is why you will see Indian fabric , apparel manufacturer installing factories in Africa (Mostly Ethiopia and few Rwanda)


I suggest you leave your village for once and visit something nearby, if get a chance visit Hawasa Industrial Park (Addis Abbaba). 90% of the companies in that Ethiopian park are from China and India.
You will see how they are training the workforce, Last year a High end Fabric maker Raymond send 40 Ethiopian School Graduate to India for technical training course. Now those 40 Ethiopian youth are trained.

Mbakuthegreat:
Are you stupid? Companies moving in India and Pakistan are looking for cheap labour to manufacture easy stuff, most education based jobs are still in China. A lot of western clothes manufacturing companies are in Pakistan and India and they are even hiring children to do their job, do you believe these poor childrens are genius? How superior is Ethiopias education than the Nigerian, if it even is? Again top education based jobs will continue to remain in western countries and china for a long while, but jobs that anyone, even your illiterate tribesman can do with some training are moving into countries with cheap labour.... I shouldn't have to explain this.....

rationalhuman:
Have you visited any of above stated countries?
Forget about India (That is in different class and within 8,9 years going to rule the world along with China and US).
Firstly Pakistan makes fabrics not clothes on large scale No western company is moving to Pakistan. Update yourself and go to IMF website and see Pakistan is on verge of collapse and running on IMF program, Secondly there are not big apparel manufacturer from west, Most of them from Asia, Western brands just give them contract ordered. India infect discouraging apparel industries and dont want low end , low skill jobs in country. that is why you will see Indian fabric , apparel manufacturer installing factories in Africa (Mostly Ethiopia and few Rwanda)


I suggest you leave your village for once and visit something nearby, if get a chance visit Hawasa Industrial Park (Addis Abbaba). 90% of the companies in that Ethiopian park are from China and India.
You will see how they are training the workforce, Last year a High end Fabric maker Raymond send 40 Ethiopian School Graduate to India for technical training course. Now those 40 Ethiopian youth are trained.

Its astonishing how someone with low IQ can come here trying to be smart.... Western companies are in countries such as India, Bangladesh and Pakistan manufacturing textiles and garments to supply europe due to cheap labour. Is your reading comprehension so low that you though i was talking about high tech companies moving into Pakistan? And didn't i write that the a lot of companies from China are moving into Ethiopia? Low IQ is killing Africa.

budaatum:
Instead of asking if others are stupid and peppering your posts with juvenile insults which just show you yourself are the stupid one here, why don't you just do some research for a change and find out how much those countries you mention spend on education per person and compare it to African countries?

You mentioned Pakistan and India, two countries with nuclear power! Are you aware that nuclearization is a product of education, and nations can't even buy it if they they lack proper knowledge of it? They can try, of course, but would end up with lemons since they can't adequately access what they are buying.

That said, Africans are not hated all over the world, but going by how you have conducted yourself here, I am absolutely certain you are more likely to be hated all over the world than liked, because if you conduct yourself in a way that is uncivil you most certainly will be hated and its not because you are African but because you lack manners.

This is what is wrong with africa, africans who dont know what they are talking about. You do not know what respect is that is why you are unable to comprehend that Africans are disrespected all over to world. Even in the African continent africans are disrespected and being enslaved by Arabs in Mauretania, Lybia and Sudan, and being called Kaffirs on the streets by white people in S.A, being denied service by chinese in Nigeria and being punished by their chinese employers in nigeria and kenya... But you want to tell me you know what respect is... You do not know the difference between liking someone and respecting someone, smart people dont care about being liked but respected. All over the world you will see individual africans whom are liked by their european, chinese friends etc. that doesn't mean that africans in that same countries are respected as a group by those same people. Infact that is where the term '' you are not like the other africans/blacks'' come from when europeans, non africans refer to their african friend that they like. Comprehension will be your limitation here.

And Pakistan, do you know that when Pakistan started their nuclear program 1972 they had a literacy rate of 22 % and 2018 they had 63 %? Their nuclear program had nothing to do with how the educated the average pakistani is, and i can assure you the average pakistani was very ignorant in term of education in 1972. The difference is that they had people whom were educated and they specialised on those people to advance their nuclear project. Nigeria has some of the smartest people in U.K and U.S who can achieve nuclear just like the Pakistani did but the difference is that Nigerian leaders dont know how to utulize its human resources, this is why all those educated Nigerians who could be helping Nigeria become a world power are instead helping other world powers by giving them their knowledge.

And you know, the text was writen by Mawuna Koutonin, read it again and try to comprehend it and hopefully low IQ will stop being a limitation eventually.

Mbakuthegreat:
This is what is wrong with africa, africans who dont know what they are talking about. You do not know what respect is that is why you are unable to comprehend that Africans are disrespected all over to world.

Someone advised you to get out of your village. I suggest you take that person's advise!

I am African. I have travelled a bit, and only idiots disrespect me like you seem to be doing on this very thread. And in my own opinion, if I go about being disrespectful and rude and insult people just because their views differ to mine as you have repeatedly done on this thread, I should expect to be disrespected and hated too.

Perhaps take responsibility for the disrespect you get instead of believing we all are disrespected. We are not! Many of us are held in the highest esteem. If you respect yourself and others you are more than likely to be respected in return.

Bangladesh is garment hub, Name 2 of top 5 companies those are from west. Majority are local companies working on contract orders from global brands like H&M, Peter England, Van Hussain etc

Mbakuthegreat:
Its astonishing how someone with low IQ can come here trying to be smart.... Western companies are in countries such as India, Bangladesh and Pakistan manufacturing textiles and garments to supply europe due to cheap labour. Is your reading comprehension so low that you though i was talking about high tech companies moving into Pakistan? And didn't i write that the a lot of companies from China are moving into Ethiopia? Low IQ is killing Africa.

budaatum:
Someone advised you to get out of your village. I suggest you take that person's advise!

I am African. I have travelled a bit, and only idiots disrespect me like you seem to be doing on this very thread. And in my own opinion, if I go about being disrespectful and rude and insult people just because their views differ to mine as you have repeatedly done on this thread, I should expect to be disrespected and hated too.

Perhaps take responsibility for the disrespect you get instead of believing we all are disrespected. We are not! Many of us are held in the highest esteem. If you respect yourself and others you are more than likely to be respected in return.

You keep on proving my point over and over again that you have too low IQ to comprehend what you read. You being liked by the people you meet has nothing to do about respecting africans as groups. Your low IQ must be limiting you to notice the reason why africans are the onces targeted in China and not europeans is because europeans are respected as a group. Again, low IQ is the biggest issue of africa.