raumdeuter:


How long did those play at the top for them to be mentioned as the greatest even Ronaldo played for more than 2 seasons to be acknowledged as the best

But a defender who couldnt make his teams world cup squad in 2014, who was still playing in Southampton just over 2 seasons ago is already the greatest defender even seen

Na you try pass

2014 is like 5 years ago. Mbappe wasn't known in 2014 but he is now the second most expensive player that should tell a lot.

In 2014, Bruyne wasn't what he is today neither was Mane or Salah so, rest..

raumdeuter:


How long did those play at the top for them to be mentioned as the greatest even Ronaldo played for more than 2 seasons to be acknowledged as the best

But a defender who couldnt make his teams world cup squad in 2014, who was still playing in Southampton just over 2 seasons ago is already the greatest defender even seen

Na you try pass

You misrepresent people's opinions just so they can sound absurd. Quote where you have seen me say VVD is the greatest defender ever seen...

patrickmuf:
What exactly do you mean by other variables change? Ramos, Pique, Vidic, Terry, Baresi, Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro etc all played for big teams with world class team mates so why are you cynically trying to use it against him?

Any player can peak at any time but when that peak coincides with other things then those things will have to factor into that peak.

Maldini could have been average at 20 years but if he was playing for the same Milan team and coach and then at 23 became the best, the variables will not be huge co-factors of his greatness. Test this theory with Ramos.

In VVDs case, many things changed at the same time.

pkasso:
The other guy beat me to it. I was also confused by the German RB. Matip has German citizenship but i don't think he is the one.

Emre can
The right back position got me confused too, hardly do we see a German RB in EPL

Eruditor:


VVD is not being judged by his achievements over the past 5 years is he?

It is majorly about 2018/19 and 2019/20. That is not enough sample space to justify some of the praises he gets especially when we consider that other variables changed and coincided with his own meteoric rise for e.g, he moved to a better team with better players and with a better coach.

I agree with your point, but football is a game where emotions rule over stats. Some players have cemented their legendary status in just few games, go through their stats and the hype doesn't make sense, go through the stats of some players and you'd be wonder why people dont talk about these players.
In a few years vvd0hype will die down, but for now let our emotions carry the day.x

Eruditor:


Any player can peak at any time but when that peak coincides with other things then those things will have to factor into that peak.

Maldini could have been average at 20 years but if he was playing for the same Milan team and coach and then at 23 became the best, the variables will not be huge co-factors of his greatness. Test this theory with Ramos.

In VVDs case, many things changed at the same time.

Before Pepe, Ronaldo and Mourinho, how effective was Ramos? Was he as highly rated as he was/is now?

Someone is trying to twist the debate here. Oga, show us where anybody here claimed Vvd is the greatest defender of all time. We only said he is currently the best

Must you always turn amala?

thorrvik55:


Those guys dying in Kano, covid-19 tests were not run on them b4 they died/were buried so how can u be so sure about the number of deaths that were lassa fever related, typhoid related and the ones that were covid19 related?

I am not sure about what portions go to whatever disease. That was my point. Also, COVID-19 deaths are not like heart attacks. They are not instantaneous or sporadic. There is a gradual degradation process.

With the amount of tests being run daily, those figures NCDC parade about are just a tip of the iceberg.

Increasing testing capacity means nothing as long as the death rate stays the same. Testing negative for COVID-19 today does not prevent you from contracting the virus on your way back from the testing centre.

Just so u know, no one here claimed every single death in Kano was covid19 related @ the bolded.

Note: all THE deaths. Not all deaths. The 'THE' deaths shows I was referring to the numbers currently emanating from there.

spillo1:

You actually have a point. I remember most top sides were ready to pay 60/70million for him before going to Liverpool.

Liverpool struck the bargain of the decade. Even at that fee of 75million they underpaid for Van dijk. His mere signing calmed down a defence that always leaked in goals like basket.

patrickmuf:
Before Pepe, Ronaldo and Mourinho, how effective was Ramos? Was he as highly rated as he was/is now?

Ramos has been at RM since 2005 right? We have seen him long enough since none of those players and coach came before 2009. If he survived RM prior to the heydays, then he was good enough long before those players/coach showed up.

iamoyindamola:

Emre can
The right back position got me confused too, hardly do we see a German RB in EPL

Yes o! Na true. I totally forgot about Can. The guy was an utility player at Liverpool. I think he even played CB at one point under Rodgers.

Emmynator:

I agree with your point, but football is a game where emotions rule over stats. Some players have cemented their legendary status in just few games, go through their stats and the hype doesn't make sense, go through the stats of some players and you'd be wonder why people dont talk about these players.
In a few years vvd0hype will die down, but for now let our emotions carry the day.x

He is definitely around top 3 CBs in the world today, no arguments from me. Only just showing that some people have overhyped him.

raumdeuter:


So when you now compare to players who have been at the top for 10yrs plus like Ramos

At the top of what?
vvd is changing the standard for a top defender, just as lord ororo and messi changed the standard for wingers. he just needs to stay there a few more years.
20-15 years ago a winger dropping hazard's numbers (with his skillset ofcourse) will be considered great by you but ororo changed the narrative.
Ramos have been in spotlight but when someone shows that defending can be done better, we have to pay attention.z

thorrvik55:


Every sensible human being knows this.. As a self-acclaimed Erudite, don't tell me that's the best u could come up with

All those snide remarks are unnecessary.

I have to be sure someone even understands my post before I present factual posers.

raumdeuter:


People on this forum has said VVD is the best defender in EPL history, We have had people comparing him to Maldini

Quote them and tell them whatever you want to ridicule them . But please don't quote me with things I never wrote or add hyperbole to things I wrote in my posts. Thank you.

Eruditor:


He is definitely around top 3 CBs in the world today, no arguments from me. Only just showing that some people have overhyped him.

Agreed, but who will talk sense to extremists? surely not another extremist.

airmark:


I will drop it as promised bro. I will tag you.

Okay. But I'd prefer you stay.

airmark:


I will drop it as promised bro. I will tag you.

Daddy airmark you better tag me as well. I need to see the ogbomosho goal you scored

patrickmuf:
You misrepresent people's opinions just so they can sound absurd. Quote where you have seen me say VVD is the greatest defender ever seen...

Maybe you should have stayed out of it because I am addressing those who claimed VVD is the best defender the EPL has ever seen if you are prodded futher now, you will chicken out claiming you dont have time for back and forth

patrickmuf:
Before Pepe, Ronaldo and Mourinho, how effective was Ramos? Was he as highly rated as he was/is now?

He was effective enough to have won the world cup and Euros before Mourinho

Emmynator:

At the top of what?
vvd is changing the standard for a top defender, just as lord ororo and messi changed the standard for wingers. he just needs to stay there a few more years.
20-15 years ago a winger dropping hazard's numbers (with his skillset ofcourse) will be considered great by you but ororo changed the narrative.
Ramos have been in spotlight but when someone shows that defending can be done better, we have to pay attention.z

And how long did Ronaldo and Messi do it for before they could effectively be called the greatest? Ronaldo as a winger scored 30 plus goals in Man Utd yet no one called him the greatest ever after his season at Man Utd, No one even called him the best winger ever in the history of the EPL

Godx:

Quote them and tell them whatever you want to ridicule them . But please don't quote me with things I never wrote or add hyperbole to things I wrote in my posts. Thank you.

Were you one of those who argued he was better than Vidic? And Vidic is the best defender in the EPL he didnt just do it for 1 season

iamoyindamola:
The German right back was who?

Emre Can

Someone just suggested the remaining games in the EPL should be played as penalty shootouts

It sure would make things interesting. . and faster. The league should be completed in less than 2 days by following this ingenious advice Guys, what do you think?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/8377970_vandijk_jpeg2f186b264d9785b6d18b13559c9703b2

Godx:

Quote them and tell them whatever you want to ridicule them . But please don't quote me with things I never wrote or add hyperbole to things I wrote in my posts. Thank you.

I will quote one of them

Godx:

Ramos is and has always been a wack defender . Van Dijk is the epitome of a defender made in the lab. He has everything in the locker, power, pace, strength, acceleration, tackling, heading, speed, passing, positioning,
leadership, communication, organisation, etc He is a beast.

Expert17:


Boateng was a Joke before joining Bayern- Munich/Bundesliga

Gnabry was a joke before joining Bayern-Munich/Bundesliga

Lol let's assume this is even remotely true. What were their ages when they joined Bayern?

raumdeuter:


Maybe you should have stayed out of it because I am addressing those who claimed VVD is the best defender the EPL has ever seen if you are prodded futher now, you will chicken out claiming you dont have time for back and forth

Do you see anyone by the name of Jamie Redknapp or Kompany here on NL? Why not take it up with the aforementioned guys on social media instead of making noise here?

pkasso:
Someone just suggested the remaining games in the EPL should be played as penalty shootouts

It sure would make things interesting. . and faster. The league should be completed in less than 2 days by following this ingenious advice Guys, what do you think?

Romero will replace De gea as no 1...

Norwich will remain in EPL

pkasso:
Do you see anyone by the name of Jamie Redknapp or Kompany here on NL? Why not take it up with the aforementioned guys on social media instead of making noise here?

OK

A40:
Lol let's assume this is even remotely true. What were their ages when they joined Bayern?

They have played for like 3-4 different clubs bfor joining Bayern.

Age is not a criteria here

raumdeuter:


Were you one of those who argued he was better than Vidic? And Vidic is the best defender in the EPL he didnt just do it for 1 season

Don't ask me anything. Go and look for those that talked about vidic and how umtiti won the champions league at Barca.