₦airaland Forum

Goke7:
as long as you don't interfere in our politics, your investments are in tact. You've been lied to that you may leave empty handed. I understand your fears now. thought you guys are that brave , na Obalende sef

Lmao

totit:
I am glad you've resorted to childishness.

Like WTF!!! Where the fo*rk you got those trillions you were throwing around from, few days ago?? I knew you weren't just normal.

Audio house owner.

Whatever ogbeni!

I quoted people for the assets but you are too blind to see that.

I didn't put those figures myself...but you are too poor to image that people can own assets worth trillions outside their regions. You tremble in fear.

Is normal for you to react that way.

Redcrafton:
You don't understand. Lagos is special than kaduna, Kano, Ibadam, Enugu as Ogunlewe has said there is heavy federal investment there than Ibadan or Kaduna. Just like Abuja belongs to all.

I don't know why this is too difficult for you to understand and too painful to bear!

Lagos is not more special bruv, you guys cannot just remove your covetous eyes and not many yorubas adore Lagos like that. some folks prefer Ibadan and other SW or Nigerian cities to Lagos because of the less hustle, the igbos are the ones hallucinating over Lagos, even northerners just do their business here and go back to their place, Greed and covetousness is your problem. Very soon the real owners of Abuja would start the agitations for their land, its because they too are not too enlightened. Too much injustice in Nigeria with no clear cut social boundaries, this was the issue in Niger delta. No land in Nigeria is more special than others, its greed and lack of respect for social boundaries that is our problem. No city in Nigeria can belong to all, just do your business and move on, reason everyone goes to their village for christmas. Let's be truthful, hence we fight over nothing

Redcrafton:
Whatever ogbeni!

I quoted people for the assets but you are too blind to see that.

I didn't put those figures myself...but you are too poor to image that people can own assets worth trillions outside their regions. You tremble in fear.

Is normal for you to react that way.

Of course, you did but out of your imagination. Who in his or her right senses throw figure (trillions)around without any concrete fact.

And as for what you eyes couldn't believed you saw, here, the link to the file . Ntor.

http://libsysdigi.library.illinois.edu/ilharvest/Africana/Books2011-05/3064634/3064634_1898_lagos/3064634_1898_lagos_opt.pdf


Lets see if your eyes complain again.

Redcrafton:

Obalenda those days was neighbors to Ikoyi. At that time you might be farming kola nut in Ilubo- Oshogbo


I am not talking of empty handed of losing properties...but empty handed of not investing in other region than mine...as you guys do.

Are you not afraid to taking peoples properties?

You can only do that if Nigeria ceases to exist...and I know must of you hate the word separation despite your claim that you have everything...

I just told you am not from oshogbo but you can't stop lying, its in your dna, we have moved beyond those Obalende days, wetin dey there sef

Redcrafton:
You don't seem to be getting it.

Lagos was what it is because of the massive investment of all Nigerians to be what it is. Figure presented showed that you form the hitherlands of Oyo, Ekiti, Ondo and Osun started migrating to Lagos in from 1931s.

You must compensate other regions from the investment of the collective FG if anything happens.

Also all banks, embassies, oil companies, multilateral institutions will locate elsewhere.

Your seaport and airports will reduce their imports as most importers who are not from SW will use other ports.

In 50 or 100 years it will become a shadow of its self.

If you think I am wrong that Lagos was, because of sustained investment of all from the 1800s, why is Cotonou which has similar environment like Lagos, not as developed as Lagos?

It amazes how you guys go about this your 'audio' contribution to Lagos development. To start, which record showed the people of South West only started migrating into Lagos in the middle or even early 20th century. Do you know whom the Tinubu whom her supposed-image is at the Marina was? Did you know her state of origin? Do you know the relationship the Egbas shared with Badagry and Dahomey? What about the inter-trade activities between these three environments centuries before the colonization? What about the feud and battles between the dahomey and the Egbas? How were they migrating... i mean the route? How did the Yorubas spread across the West African regions?
I merely brought up the person of Tinubu to show the Westerners had already flooded Lagos centuries before your 1800. Many Obas had ruled and gone in the city as well. And oh, yeah! the city had been attracting traders all along. Even the Tinubu I mentioned came into Lagos from the Egbas for trading.
And don't think Lagos started and ended on the Island back then. what happens to the Olotos, the Alaketus, the Ojoras of the time? By that eighteenth and nineteenth centuries you mentioned, record had it that the Mainlands were attracting and experiencing commercial activities too. Farming was lucrative and many new-comers were stepping in. You can google the comprehensive history of Lagos before the Europeans to know more.
What compensation will you get if we split? Don't fool about, bro. Nobody'll stop any institution who intends to move while others who stays will be regarded as another foreign company like the African countries', the Westerners' and the Asians' already in the country. Whichever one that leaves only leave opportunity for another individual to take up the mantle in an already blosoming commercial environment. Banks would leave and more banks would be established. Whatever leave will have another in its place immediately because of the already viable commercial environment of the state.
And as per the ports, Lagos is already overwhelmed. That's why the state is going through a stress of creating another port in Lekki and proposing creating another in either of Badagry or Ikorodu. Yet, Lagos being Lagos would always attract serious port activity. When the Abuja Nnamdi Azikwe airport was being built, being the new Capital, some people were of the opinion that Lagos port would be relegated to the back burner until the reality stepped in. Lagos MMI remains the numero uno still and ask anybody, international airlines have to sometimes stop at MMI to fill some carriers because Lagos has more passengers on ground while they are half-empty from the starting-point.
When the other seaports were working in the eighties, did it take any shine off Lagos? I bet, the population of travellers and importers/exporters from the Yorubas and other landlock African countries who had been dealing and who may intend to deal with us should be enough to keep the state going fine. With the revival of Agriculture and other mineral resources in house, there should be good exportation and importation to keep going fine. So, how do you think because a region is spliting out, the whole world would collapse? Wake up bro, it ain't happening.

ps: I should be able to give you link to show you Lagos was in existence beyond your imagining 1800 or 1900 as quoted. But later.

Redcrafton:
Nothing settled it. Stop claiming what is not yours.

You don't still get it. When these were happening, you guys from the Oyo and Osun were nowhere to be found.

The Aros from the east migrated to Lagos before you started migrating by 1931. See pic.

Someone talked about New York. The Irish and others who migrated there are part of New York.

Redcrafton:
Ogbeni, New York belongs to all the people that migrated there. Including the Irish, the Germans, the Jews, the Italians. Nobody in his right senses will drag New York like you guys are doing Lagos. It is a shame. Why are you not dragging Ibadan you western capital?

The current Mayor of New York has German and Italian ancestry.

So stop wasting your time.

I thought you guys are enlightened?

The Germans, the English, the Irish, the Italians you talked about met an almost empty land save for few indigenes scattered around. And it's not just the New York, it's the way throughout the Americans but that doesn't make America or NewYork a German, Irish, Italian, an Engliah or French country/state. The only people who had stake threre now are all Americans with ancestral traces to wherever, Nigeria included. Any French who resides in America is just a resident until the authourity comfirms him/her a national. Same goes to the English, the Irish, the German, the Italian, the African (I keep putting the Aficans you omitted because they also won right to the country after the masters/slaves war of the seventeenth/eighteenth centuiries and majority of their great grand offsprings are even in the New York and other American states now code-named black Americans). The fact that these countries have ancestors who had claim to the nation of American doesn't mean their citizens have equal stake and claim. They have nothing. Some of the African countries are even under visa ban to America right now. That tells you what you need to know
The Edo people who settled at Isale Eko, the Oke-Ogun/few other westerners who settled at Ikorodu, the Brazilians/other South-Americans who settled in Isale Eko as well and many other settlers on the Mainland are now part of Lagos but that doesn't give any indigene of Edo, Oke-Ogun, South-Western States, Brazil, and/or other South American countries whose ancestral lineage or otherwise were among the early settlers any claim or stake in the state. Get it!
So as you can see, you guys are the actual ones not enlightened.

PHAYOL81:
The Germans, the English, the Irish, the Italians you talked about met an almost empty land save for few indigenes scattered around. And it's not just the New York, it's the way throughout the Americans but that doesn't make America or NewYork a German, Irish, Italian, an Engliah or French country/state. The only people who had stake threre now are all Americans with ancestral traces to wherever, Nigeria included. Any French who resides in America is just a resident until the authourity comfirms him/her a national. Same goes to the English, the Irish, the German, the Italian, the African (I keep putting the Aficans you omitted because they also won right to the country after the masters/slaves war of the seventeenth/eighteenth centuiries and majority of their great grand offsprings are even in the New York and other American states now code-named black Americans). The fact that these countries have ancestors who had claim to the nation of American doesn't mean their citizens have equal stake and claim. They have nothing. Some of the African countries are even under visa ban to America right now. That tells you what you need to know
The Edo people who settled at Isale Eko, the Oke-Ogun/few other westerners who settled at Ikorodu, the Brazilians/other South-Americans who settled in Isale Eko as well and many other settlers on the Mainland are now part of Lagos but that doesn't give any indigene of Edo, Oke-Ogun, South-Western States, Brazil, and/or other South American countries whose ancestral lineage or otherwise were among the early settlers any claim or stake in the state. Get it!
So as you can see, you guys are the actual ones not enlightened.

its a waste of time educating these illiterates, their trade is in lies which they pass from generation to generation, no matter how white is white and black is black, they will always claim its another colour, na their way. Entitlement mentality is their major problem

Redcrafton:
The number of property I and my siblings have in Lagos will shock you. We were born Lagosians at Obalenda area, We invest where we live. We are not clannish who will depart from where we have lived to our own towns empty handed, like you do.

idiot with many properties in obalende wrote OBALENDA. Many properties indeed

Redcrafton:
Lagos State belongs as much to the ethnic Igbo as to the Yoruba, Ijaw, Hausa, Fulani, Efik, Idoma, Urhobo, Itshekiri, Edo, and so on who live in it, pay tax, identify with it, and settle in it. That compact was made the moment Nigeria became a single nation, and a successor power to the old principalities who were subdued and who ceded their sovereignty for the new commonwealth of Nigeria .
It was pragmatic. The Igbo had the skill and the industry, and Lagos was the seat of the Federal Government of Nigeria and its major port. The Igbo have lived in Lagos since the 15th century when the Aro and other Igbo first settled in good number in a place we now call “Oyingbo” in the era of Benin and the Portuguese trade.
The arrival of Dr. Namdi Azikiwe to Lagos in 1937 from Accra after his studies in the United States, stimulated the political and cultural environment of Lagos as no other has before or after him. Zik literally resurrected the wizard of Kirsten hall from political death. Zik represented Lagos in the western house. The NCNC was the power in Lagos , and not the Action Group. The Igbo were prominent in the governance of Lagos in the Lagos City Hall .
The institutional development of Lagos – the railways, the ports and ship yards; the education and research facilities; the Banking and Commodities Exchange, the development of towns like Yaba, Surulere, Ebutta-Metta, Festac Town, Victoria Island, and now increasing the Ajah-Lekki axis, and of course, the ghettoes along the Orile-Badagry axis, have profound Igbo imprimatur. The circulation of the image of Lagos is to date best reflected in the cosmopolitan Igbo imagination of one of the greatest African writers of the 20th century, Cyprian Ekwensi, a thorough Lagosian if there was any. Igbo have built industries in Lagos and have been drivers of commerce and exchange.
Interestingly, I was born at plot number 8, Okoya Street , Idumagbo- Lagos, while the Ojukwu families were residing at number one to three on the same street. I grew up to know the father of Odumegwu Ojukwu. Chimbizie and Azuka grew up with us on the same street. Even the Chibeze small parking space at the end of Okoya Street is called Ojukwu. I later attended St. Patrick Primary School , Idumagbo, where I had very amiable classmates of Igbo origin in the persons of Azubike Ezenwa and Damian, Ihekuna, both now professors and doctors of today. They were brilliant, resourceful and friendly.
When we were playing bamboo and Tene Felele at Orikoriko at Onola playing ground, the Igbo participated actively. In the area of sports, school football and athletes, Igbo were dominant at Kings College, St. Gregory school, St. Finbars, Akoka, Igbobi College and Ahmadiyya College, Agege. Such boys, Njokwu, George Amu, Stephen Keshi, Henry Nwosu, Patrick Noquapor, Peter Anieke and Sammy Opone were dominant on the field of football, while Asiodu, Empire Kanu were prominent on the field of athletics.
Anytime we went to watch football match at Onikan stadium, my darling team, Stationery Stores and our adversary team I hated most was the E. C. N, where the centre forward, Paul Hamilton, the National Team, Fabian the captain who bit the dust. Our greatest captain was Duru, Oduah Onyenrekwa, Onyeador Onyeali and Opel, the greatest outside right Nigeria ever had, Cyril Azuluka. So, during my early life at primary school, the Igbo were always there and delightful to watch, both in athletes and on the football field.
When I listened to radio at that time, both the commentary and drama series, the Igbo were there for you. The likes of Chris Ndaguba, Ernest Okwonkwo, Ralph Okpara ‘Alawo Sekiseki the traveler’. The episode will end with – The script was written by Ralph Okpara and edited by Yemi Lijadu.
Anytime I visited where I was born today in Idumagbo at Lagos Island , the entire place is covered by Igbo traders in their thousands. They were never troublesome but decent and accommodating. They have virtually taken over all properties of the indigenes. They succeeded in developing all our properties, married to most of our children even from the royal families. There is no single house you will visit without an Igbo man selling wares there.
So, who is saying something else? Only the strangers in our midst will not notice participation of economic development in our state by the Igbos. Most houses and shops in Lagos Island have been purchased, developed and occupied by the Igbos. The value of their investments in Lagos Island alone is in trillions of naira.
Instead of deporting the Igbos, whose contributions to the development of Lagos state are immensurable, you must keep on praising and encouraging them to keep on developing Lagos State .
•Senator Adeseye Ogunlewe is a former Nigerian minister for Works and Housing.

Redcrafton:
Which 1889 article did you present?

Ogunlewe eve started the migration started far back in 15 century when you were still in distance Oshogbo before you started migrating enmass from 1931. Greedy as usual claiming what has been already developed. leaving you western capital in ruins.

I have given you evidence by your own people, Ogunlewe and Adetayo and you said I am imaging things?

Redcrafton:
Which 1889 article did you present?

Ogunlewe eve started the migration started far back in 15 century when you were still in distance Oshogbo before you started migrating enmass from 1931. Greedy as usual claiming what has been already developed. leaving you western capital in ruins.

I have given you evidence by your own people, Ogunlewe and Adetayo and you said I am imaging things?

I think you seems lost and greedy for wanting what doesn't belong to you. I may not offer you my time again after this; pardon me if that's too harsh. But then, to respond to your posts, while Zik came in, what rescue did he do to Lagos politics or any part of Lagos? What tangible political resurrection did Zik do to the state of Lagos? Was Lagos in disarray politically prior to his arrival? If yes, what happened and what were cause(s)? If no, how then did Zik rescue Lagos politics? Who was feeding you that thrash? My dear, Zik was just a politician, like the Sir Ahmadu Bello, Yar Adua, Obasanjo et all and and he'd done nothing worthier than any of those leaders of his time. Infact, but for time, I'd have gone deeper and you'd have seen the contributions of others that humbly belittle what you might've been fed SAVE LIES OF COURSE.
Yet, contributions of each and everyone of them finished around the IKOYI, Dordan Baracks, Obalende, from where they governed. It was until Mobolaji Johnson was able to secure governorship right that the Ikeja, the Surulere (of the time), the Lagos Mainland, the Third Mainland, the Idumotas and other notable development started springing up. Eventhough there were some the Federal Government supported the sate in finishing like the Third Mainland, most of these were facilitated through the purse of the state. And need I remind you that the contributions of non-yorubas will definitely amount to nothing other than like that of any foreigner should this 'One Nigeria' falter. Why? Bounderies! The American you brought as example belong to the Americans. No European, African, Asian can lay a claim or stake in it? Infact, anybody other than the Americans are subject to approval by the authourity before they enter the States. And even so, any of them can be deported (whether Italian, English, French, Irish etc), save only the Americans.
In this case, America never belong to the Irish, Italians, Germans or any other because they had early settlers on the American land in the olden days. America is Americans. Lagos is for Lagosians (the indigenes) and by extension, the Yorubas through regional position. Respect bounderies.

Goke7:
You guys are not developing Lagos, you are only benefiting, a lot of yorubas have lived and are still living in Warri, portharcourt, Kano, Kaduna, Jos, Bauchi, others and have done business and got properties like the igbos do in other places but do not claim to develop the place, stop overrating the businesses you do in Lagos, its for your benefit period. The developer mentality you guys have is wrong and a bad entitlement mentality. The northerners do so much than you guys in Lagos, Dangote and Bua companies investments dwarf whatever the igbos do in Lagos but northerners will never claim they develop Lagos.

Lagos owe you nothing and you are entitled to nothing, let's not deceive ourselves, what happens in America and other western nations cannot work here cos we have no agreement on how we want to live as Nigerians, we are just feeding off another unjustly and reason we have so many problems. That we have been tolerant and our SW politicians making silly mistakes in the past does not mean we are fools. You can continue to wallow in your lies and nothing will change, you guys will continue to be seen as strangers in our land. We are only civilized enough to be at peace but when you overstep your bounds to interfere in our political space, you will be resisted completely by whatever means and the whole world knows that.

You guys are actually the ones giving them the audacity to lay claim. What happens in America that can't happen here? Is what's happening in America suggesting the opposite of what we've been telling these lots? Do the Germans have a claim on the USA? Who among the Irish, the Italians, the British, the French has? Who among them are on the necks of the USA or Canada (another country with good settlers from the German, French and English/Brits) over land-ownership claim? Except exempted due to bilateral agreement which may exist between two countries, who among the citizens of these countries would enter into the USA/Canada without visa?
The guy"s even forgotten he's African, a Nigerian for that matter, whose ancestors unarguably also gained the right of being settlers after having initially gone through slavery and then, war. We have black Americans around to support this claim, so what's he waiting for? Why isn't he laying a claim to the USA? Why's the USA even banning some Africans from entering their country? If he think early settlement means ownership or claim on a land for fellow tribesmen/countrymen, why do the French needing a Visa? Why's he himself having to go through the embassy when he knows his ancestors had paved way for him? Why does the American needing embassies in Germany, Uk or France since by his permutation, they should be citizens by right?
Please, bro, when these guys talk, don't massage their ego. When this union breaks, I repeat like I've always said, he'll know the worth of their clans in Lagos. The real owners will manifest. Thanks for your time.

Goke7:
its a waste of time educating these illiterates, their trade is in lies which they pass from generation to generation, no matter how white is white and black is black, they will always claim its another colour, na their way. Entitlement mentality is their major problem

It becomes so shameful when you realised that the most educated among them still exude ignorance. They'll rather dwell on what their grand-parents who were less educated told them without seeking the right story from the right source. That's why you see most of their newscasters spewing rubbish that are tainted with half truth, half lies and illogical submissions. I just can't deal sometimes when listening or seeing what lies they continue to tell themselves all the time.
If not for our greedy politicians, I don't see why we shouldn't support a break up. I see us standing toe to toe with the South-Southerners if not doing better and that's if the SS quickly agree among themselves to put their differences behind them and work as one. Otherwise, we'll be miles beyond all other region in no time after the brake-up because most of our states had already defined their potentials which would be worked on and complimented.

PHAYOL81:
It becomes so shameful when you realised that the most educated among them still exude ignorance. They'll rather dwell on what their grand-parents who were less educated told them without seeking the right story from the right source. That's why you see most of their newscasters spewing rubbish that are tainted with half truth, half lies and illogical submissions. I just can't deal sometimes when listening or seeing what lies they continue to tell themselves all the time.
If not for our greedy politicians, I don't see why we shouldn't support a break up. I see us standing toe to toe with the South-Southerners if not doing better and that's if the SS quickly agree among themselves to put their differences behind them and work as one. Otherwise, we'll be miles beyond all other region in no time after the brake-up because most of our states had already defined their potentials which would be worked on and complimented.

only the SW can successfully form a country of their own and be self reliant, the SS cannot cos they speak too many different languages and cannot live together, the SE needs either the SS or the SW to really stand and no one is ready to accommodate their overbearing nature, the north too has so many tribes that can't stay together. Nigeria breaking up will cause so many problems and lead to another civil war cos some tribes who have entitlement mentality will suddenly realize they don't really have much to fall back on. I truly wish we can break up but mhen don't be fooled by some leeches wanting their own country, na blackmail to get more and grab from Nigeria, they have nothing to stand as a country of their own. How can you say you want a country of your own and another place that is so far geographically from your region at the same time, what a scam.

PHAYOL81:
I think you seems lost and greedy for wanting what doesn't belong to you. I may not offer you my time again after this; pardon me if that's too harsh. But then, to respond to your posts, while Zik came in, what rescue did he do to Lagos politics or any part of Lagos? What tangible political resurrection did Zik do to the state of Lagos? Was Lagos in disarray politically prior to his arrival? If yes, what happened and what were cause(s)? If no, how then did Zik rescue Lagos politics? Who was feeding you that thrash? My dear, Zik was just a politician, like the Sir Ahmadu Bello, Yar Adua, Obasanjo et all and and he'd done nothing worthier than any of those leaders of his time. Infact, but for time, I'd have gone deeper and you'd have seen the contributions of others that humbly belittle what you might've been fed SAVE LIES OF COURSE.
Yet, contributions of each and everyone of them finished around the IKOYI, Dordan Baracks, Obalende, from where they governed. It was until Mobolaji Johnson was able to secure governorship right that the Ikeja, the Surulere (of the time), the Lagos Mainland, the Third Mainland, the Idumotas and other notable development started springing up. Eventhough there were some the Federal Government supported the sate in finishing like the Third Mainland, most of these were facilitated through the purse of the state. And need I remind you that the contributions of non-yorubas will definitely amount to nothing other than like that of any foreigner should this 'One Nigeria' falter. Why? Bounderies! The American you brought as example belong to the Americans. No European, African, Asian can lay a claim or stake in it? Infact, anybody other than the Americans are subject to approval by the authourity before they enter the States. And even so, any of them can be deported (whether Italian, English, French, Irish etc), save only the Americans.
In this case, American never belong to the Irish, Italians, Germans or any other because they had early settlers on the American land in the olden days. American is Americans. Lagos is for Lagosians (the indigenes) and by extension, the Yorubas through regional position. Respect bounderies.

You guys are actually the ones giving them the audacity to lay claim. What happens in America that can't happen here? Is what's happening in America suggesting the opposite of what we've been telling these lots? Do the Germans have a claim on the USA? Who among the Irish, the Italians, the British, the French has? Who among them are on the necks of the USA or Canada (another country with good settlers from the German, French and English/Brits) over land-ownership claim? Except exempted due to bilateral agreement which may exist between two countries, who among the citizens of these countries would enter into the USA/Canada without visa?
The guys have even forgotten he's African, a Nigerian for that matter, whose ancestors unarguably also gained the right of being settlers after having initially gone through slavery and then, war. We have black Americans around to support this claim, so what's he waiting for? Why isn't laying a claim to the USA? Why's the USA even banning some Africans from entering their country? If he think early settling means ownership or claim on a land, why do the French needing a Visa? Why's he himself having to go through the embassy when he knows his ancestors had paved way for him? Why does the American needing embassies in Germany, Uk or France since by his permutation, they should be citizens by right?
Please, bro, when thses guys talk, don't massage their ego. When this union breaks, I repeat like I've always said, he'll know the worth of the clan in Lagos. The real owners will manifest. Thanks for your time.

the igbos only lay claim to places where they are tolerated, with all their shops in Kano, I have never seen igbos claiming or asking for anything in Kano, they are just cowards who only barks where there is very high level of tolerance. After calling Nigeria a zoo, they beg the same country they hate to come evacuate them when they are in trouble with any host Country where they are, I wonder why they can't claim developers in those countries they run into trouble with.

Goke7:
the igbos only lay claim to places where they are tolerated, with all their shops in Kano, I have never seen igbos claiming or asking for anything in Kano, they are just cowards who only barks where there is very high level of tolerance. After calling Nigeria a zoo, they beg the same country they hate to come evacuate them when they are in trouble with any host Country where they are, I wonder why they can't claim developers in those countries they run into trouble with.

Of course, TOLERANCE. That's the problem. I take it that you understand yoruba very well. The elders say this sage in this situation: "Ti Eru ba pe n'ile, ohun naa a maa b'awon bu alajobi'. They've been tolerated too much, that's why they think they're made.

As for your earlier post, I understand they may have it difficult to work together which is why I put the need (to work as one) as the only nemesis. How would they when they'll need to agree which of the states, between Rivers State or Cross River or even another, to put as the capital? Of course, they all have oil that should catapult them quickly into good development but with that come the need for food and other essential supplements. They will be fine with importation from both the West and the North for food and would have to dredge port(s) to serve them and their eastern neighbours especially for export, I think they would have to focus on industrialising their regions too. They will also need to create the market to push their commercial reputation up a good step. All these need focus, good policy, unity and good sense of direction. It'll take time too which means the whole region might not be able to wait so long while their general resources is expended on a front. If they try diversifying, the development gets longer but in the end, they will get there subject to crude oil remaining an essential world commodity. It may take 50 years, it may take 100years but they'll get there. By that time though, except the South-West are not serious, we should be miles ahead. With less population, Lagos should have improved on infrastructure and housing and regained its ancient days reputation that should be attracting many other Africans into it for greener pasture as of old, and as the giant of Africa.
The SS would develop individually albeit slower than collectively but they would still be the ones to challenge the South-West if their politicians throw away their greed and focus on development. That's just the way I see it.

ZombiePUNISHER:
Buhari is the problem of the country....

We need some one who can unify the country

We have never been this divided as a nation

How sane people still support this useless government baffles me

Don't get it twisted; we have never been UNITED!

Redcrafton:
Which 1889 article did you present?

Ogunlewe eve started the migration started far back in 15 century when you were still in distance Oshogbo before you started migrating enmass from 1931. Greedy as usual claiming what has been already developed. leaving you western capital in ruins.

I have given you evidence by your own people, Ogunlewe and Adetayo and you said I am imaging things?

Map of Lagos in 1883.

Ogunlewe was looking for vote, and to get that, he needed to deceive gullible ones.

See the last snapshot and see those who occupied Lagos. It says Portuguese, Aworis and other Yorubas. No other ethnic group was recorded.

forgiveness:
First of all, Ibadan is more cosmopolitan than both Jos and Kaduna.

Secondly, part of SW formed part of Abuja.

Thirdly, it was wrong in the first place for British to allocate lands to Yorubas in Jos. No Yoruba man will support and fight for land grabbing which tantamounts to injustice. Kudos to the Yorubas for given up the land.

Fourthly, every human being with his own philosophy. Yorubas philosophy is to achieve their goals and they have many ways to do that. Yorubas singlehandedly sponsored and used NADECO to fight against Abacha. Yorubas singlehandedly forced the whole country to present Yorubas as candidate in 1999. Yorubas were significant in ending the Civil war. Yorubas used press to kick PDP out of power. There's a saying that goes like this.... there are many ways to catch fish.

Hause Fulani knows the group to fear most. If you think Yorubas are cowards, good luck to you.

Before we can take you serious get back ilorin

AmuDimpka:
Before we can take you serious get back ilorin

Who took Ilorin?

AmuDimpka:
Before we can take you serious get back ilorin

Have you taken back your delta igbos

forgiveness:
First of all, Ibadan is more cosmopolitan than both Jos and Kaduna.

Secondly, part of SW formed part of Abuja.

Thirdly, it was wrong in the first place for British to allocate lands to Yorubas in Jos. No Yoruba man will support and fight for land grabbing which tantamounts to injustice. Kudos to the Yorubas for given up the land.

Fourthly, every human being with his own philosophy. Yorubas philosophy is to achieve their goals and they have many ways to do that. Yorubas singlehandedly sponsored and used NADECO to fight against Abacha. Yorubas singlehandedly forced the whole country to present Yorubas as candidate in 1999. Yorubas were significant in ending the Civil war. Yorubas used press to kick PDP out of power. There's a saying that goes like this.... there are many ways to catch fish.

Hause Fulani knows the group to fear most. If you think Yorubas are cowards, good luck to you.

Your wasting time exchanging with this one
He’s already on anti yoruba
Nothing you can say can change it

Redcrafton:
So people from Kwara and Kogi who speak Yoruba can claim Lagos?

Which book are you reading?

Inferiority is tearing you apart.

Actually yes
Lateef Jaksnde was the governor of Lagos
James Faleke of Lagos is from kogi

Yorubas are culturally united

Obamaofusa:
First, you are jealous of Ibadan because it ts the 4th economy in Nigeria while Anambra is the 16th economy with a very high external debt and paltry 19+ billion naira budget..

Secondly,like Azikiwe,like recent Igbos.
Azikiwe cried ..no man's land...until his mouth was dipped into the muddy land of alaigbo as a dead man.Too bad he couldn't carry...no man's land to Abakaleke.

You and the other chanters will go the same way as Azikiwe,then your children,your children children,etc .oh my!

Looooool

Akanbiedu:
Nice one.

Forget all the noise against Hausa-Fulani. All it takes to douse it is give Igbos their posiiton, VeePee. If you want to make it sweeter, relegate the Yorubas.

All the other idiots like Nowenuse trying to form alliance with Igbos will be thrown under the bus.

Na Naive Yorubas dey join the noise against Hausa-Fulani.

2 bottles

Covidodo:
Let me make something abundantly clear .

This is 2020 and the Yoruba Nation would never be blackmailed for our political choices again .

For almost 40years, the Yorubas played opposition politics untill 1999 when the death of Abiola and NADECO ushered us into the mainstream of Nigerian politics.

Infact we were called perpetual cry babies of Nigerian politics because we were always in the opposition. ( The great Obafemi Awolowo who is arguably the greatest Yoruba man in the history of Nigeria opposed the Hausa/Fulani untill his demise ) .
From the 1959 elections till the botched 1993 general elections , my forebears were in perpetual opposition to the Fulani hegemony politically .
Infact , Ladoke Akintola , a former premier of the defunct Western region became an enemy of his people due to his purported alliance with the core North . Today , the only thing left of the name Ladoke Akintola is the state owned university in Ogbomoso .

https://www.nairaland.com/695854/neither-speakership-nor-chairmanship-just#8562123

Go through that link and see that even as recent as 2011, we were in the political wilderness lamenting ( for a lack of better word)

Did the Hausa/Fulani start being your enemies in 2019 ?? Because the last time I checked the whole of the North bar Nassarawa and Taraba soundly rejected a Christian Minority from the ND and instead voted overwhelmingly for the Fulani Muslim Muhammadu Buhari in the 2015 general elections.

From 2007 till date ( over 12years ) , no Igbo man ( a majority tribe ) has been in the first 4 positions in this country while Northern minority Christians like Mark and Yakubu Dogara have been senate president and Speaker within that same period . ( I intentionally
Skipped Danjuma and Jack Gowon ).

Don't you think these situations were made possible as a result of the machinations of the Hausa/Fulani Muslim you always berate albeit hypocritically .

Ironically , many Northern minorities hold important positions in ACF and even parrot the born to rule agenda of the Hausa/Fulani more than the scions of Dan Fodio .
For example , Audu Ogbe, a Northern Christian was just elected to lead the Arewa consultative Forum .

Don't you think your so called disdain for the Hausa/Fulani is a bit hypocritical because what happens on the ground ( outside Nairaland) is totally different from the picture you always paint here ??

Perhaps the love-hate relationship between the Northern minorities and the Hausa/Fulani is too complicated for a bloody Southerner like me to understand

Nigeria is a jungle and it would take more than the cries of a hypocrite to set things right .

Conclusively, the great Yorubas are in no way scared of you and your folks as you are in no way a threat to our aspirations in every ramifications ( Politically , Educationally , Economically or Culturally ) .

You can see right through the hypocrisy

Redcrafton:
I know you are pained.
If your man didn't starve millions of people to death in an effort to make them return to Nigeria, your won't have all this pain. After the Biafrans had been chased back to the east, he ought to have stopped and let them be. But NO. He ensured that he had to use starvation, when he couldn't defeat the soldiers.By now Lagos would have been totally yours. But he was greedy targetting the oil in the former eastern region. The oil used to develop Lagos ( seaports, airports, rail system, roads, bridges etc) And now you want to have them all to your self. Ol boy you greedy..Oh....

Its not my fault. Its ONE NIGERIA folk. You can go and contest in Aba...you are welcome.

Awolowo staved you to stop you from invading yoruba land

Redcrafton:
You don't seem to be getting it.

Lagos was what it is because of the massive investment of all Nigerians to be what it is. Figure presented showed that you form the hitherlands of Oyo, Ekiti, Ondo and Osun started migrating to Lagos in from 1931s.

You must compensate other regions from the investment of the collective FG if anything happens.

Also all banks, embassies, oil companies, multilateral institutions will locate elsewhere.

Your seaport and airports will reduce their imports as most importers who are not from SW will use other ports.

In 50 or 100 years it will become a shadow of its self.

If you think I am wrong that Lagos was, because of sustained investment of all from the 1800s, why is Cotonou which has similar environment like Lagos, not as developed as Lagos?

But Cotonou is more developed than Igbo land

totit:
Audio lands, audio properties, audio houses. ...coming from somebody who belives ibo assets in lagos is worth 800trillion?

Like, WTF!!!

You have forgotten 99% of Lagos land belongs to them

Osaze007:
Have you taken back your delta igbos

Delta Igbo are Igbo of Delta and they have their land...and not ruled by anyone but Igbo

But ilorin land is gone from Yoruba ruled by fulani

AmuDimpka:
Delta Igbo are Igbo of Delta and they have their land...and not ruled by anyone but Igbo

But ilorin land is gone from Yoruba ruled by fulani

Delta land is ruled by Benin
Be rest assured if civil war happened in 17th century you will be bearing Ade or Adamu