This is what we were meant to believe but indeed it was all made up stunt, to elevate the yorubas history ,

Oduduwa also happened to have not also existed but initially worship as a god
The yorubas had brought the myth of his existence into life in other to unite the yoruba into one political canopy......

yorubas accepted the fact they paid tribute to the oba of benin but disagreed to the fact they paid tribute to oyo for political acknowledgement was false


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36 views and yet no reply are the yorubas admitting oyo was really a lie

gregyboy:
This is what we were meant to believe but indeed it was all made up stunt, to elevate the yorubas history ,

Oduduwa also happened to have not also existed but initially worship as a god
The yorubas had brought the myth of his existence into life in other to unite the yoruba into one political canopy......

yorubas accepted the fact they paid tribute to the oba of benin but disagreed to the fact they paid tribute to oyo for political acknowledgement was false


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cite ur source first before I respond to u.

[quote author=Moneywomen17 post=89333574] cite ur source first before I respond to u. [/quote


JOURNAL ARTICLE
The Heritage of Oduduwa: Traditional History and Political Propaganda among the Yoruba
R. C. C. Law

[quote author=gregyboy post=89354746][/quote] according to what u posted. It said Benin was the first kingdom to gain independence from oyo then other followed. Which means Benin was under oyo for sometime before it gain independence. Do u agree with this.

Moneywomen17:
according to what u posted. It said Benin was the first kingdom to gain independence from oyo then other followed. Which means Benin was under oyo for sometime before it gain independence. Do u agree with this.

And that statement was also rebuked by the author

You yorubas should learn to be humble

gregyboy:



And that statement was also rebuked by the author

where was it rebuked. It merely stated Benin gain independence faster a long time ago

gregyboy:
You yorubas should learn to be humble

u Benin’s should borrow sense.

Moneywomen17:
where was it rebuked. It merely stated Benin gain independence faster a long time ago

the article says Oyo's claim of authority over Benin is absurd.. since u don;t understand what the statement means I will explain; It means nobody or scholars believes Oyo was ever powerful than Benin kingdom.

davidnazee:


the article says Oyo's claim of authority over Benin is absurd.. since u don;t understand what the statement means I will explain; It means nobody or scholars believes Oyo was ever powerful than Benin kingdom.

Leave d mumu

The screenshot tells thier manipulation into oduduwa ancestory

gregyboy:
This is what we were meant to believe but indeed it was all made up stunt, to elevate the yorubas history ,

Oduduwa also happened to have not also existed but initially worship as a god
The yorubas had brought the myth of his existence into life in other to unite the yoruba into one political canopy......

yorubas accepted the fact they paid tribute to the oba of benin but disagreed to the fact they paid tribute to oyo for political acknowledgement was false


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gomojam
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Baby Ibadan is as ruthless as ever. Go baby! Go baby!! Go baby!!!

gayboy, why did you leave me out of this long list of mentions??

Afraid of something??

gregyboy:
36 views and yet no reply are the yorubas admitting oyo was really a lie

They admit nothing. The reason they didn't reply you is that you are so blind to see that, you attach evidence that shows supremacy of even Ọ̀yọ́ over Benin not to even mention Ilẹ̀ ìfẹ́ itself.

Sewgon79:


They admit nothing. The reason they didn't reply you is that you are so blind to see that, you attach evidence that shows supremacy of even Ọ̀yọ́ over Benin not to even mention Ilẹ̀ ìfẹ́ itself.

This statement is 100% correct. @Gregyboy was not ready to learn, but rather argued blindly to the extent that he never realized he was even providing more evidence of Yoruba's relevance in the civilisation of the south in general including their small Benin Kingdom. Even the King and the bonified royal families know they are blue bloods of the Yorubas.

Hence, most of us decided to ignore his baseless rants. In Geology, there is a law that state that -

'the present is the key to the past'

Even what is happening now regarding the economic and political powers of the Yorubas in the south can be related to what' has been happening in the past, including pre and post Oduduwa era.

geosegun:


This statement is 100% correct. @Gregyboy was not ready to learn, but rather argued blindly to the extent that he never realized he was even providing more evidence of Yoruba's relevance in the civilisation of the south in general including their small Benin Kingdom. Even the King knows he is a blue blood of the Yorubas.

Hence, most of us decided to ignore his baseless rants. In Geology, there is a law that state that -

'the present is the key to the past'

Even what is happening now regarding the economic and political powers of the Yorubas in the south can be related to what' has been happening in the past, including pre and post Oduduwa events.

Please my brother, read what Benin people says about their Ọba and some error in past and that is going on.

The Dangers of Crowning the wrong Prince as Oba

Our traditions, culture and customs are willed to bring peace, truth and light to our land. Our lives are guided both by the spirits and the physical, they are one. Inseparable they weave the destiny of a people far beyond our imagination, the mysteries cannot be unfolded at a glance but once the imbalance occurs by an act considered evil it must take its full course, many pay with their lives even before it can be corrected.

The Binis have for some time now lived as though they have been cursed, Robberies, killings, kidnapping, prostitution, incest and much more, all considered abominations and crimes. The gods and our ancestors must be angry. The one trusted to cleanse the land is the one who leads, he alone bears the burden to find solution, but not without consulting his council, the wise ones and the oracle. The stubbornness of a fly they say allows it to be buried with the coffin. Even though many had suspected where the problem comes from, most were not sure until the battle of the Ogiamien and the Oba Palace began about a year ago.

We are talking about the bond made centuries ago now broken.

The first of such bond is the return of the remains of the Oba to Ile-Ife and to obtain permission for the installation of the new Oba of Benin broken by Oba Akenzua II and continued until now. Benin currently owes them three (3) kings.

Second, the Late Oba Erediauwa allegedly slept with his own blood sister by name Princess Comfort Ikuoyewen Eweka the daughter of Oba Eweka II and had Princes Eheneden and Aghatise Erediauwa. This is an abomination because the daughter of an Oba cannot produce an Oba of Benin. It has never happened in the history of Benin. This is a taboo and an abomination in Bini as incest (sexual intercourse between persons so closely related that they are forbidden by law to marry also: the statutory crime of such a relationship) is not permitted. Once a child is born outside of wedlock and the proper traditional rights cannot be performed including the payment of dowry the child is considered illegitimate.

Third, the refusal for Prince Eheneden, the illegitimate and sacrilegious son of Oba Erediauwa though the first son born to him to honor the Ekiokhagba Treaty and imprisoned the Ogiamien of Utantan and brutalized the Ogiamien Royal Family. The Ekiokhagba Treaty was bond between Ogiso Erebo and Oba Eweka I and has existed and is honored by the crown Prince before he is installed and coronated as the next Oba.

The King must be Kind, compassionate, wise as well being a warrior. He must bring peace, good will and prosperity to his people. However, this does not ring true for Prince Eheneden. His half siblings have suffered his wrath over time. Three that come to mind which happened recently is

When he ordered, the first princess, Theresa Erediauwa out of her home, throwing her belongings into the streets like a tenant and common criminal, disgracing her before the kingdom.
Did nothing to intervene when Prince Ekpen Erediauwa’s land was taken away from him unjustly, and crushing his political will.
And asking Prince Omoregbe Erediauwa to remove the sculpture of his late mother, Queen Esther from the five junction.
He allowed himself become a political tool to destroy his own people, and sold out many times for a plate of porridge.

Recently, he drove away palace chiefs asking them to bring their sons in their stead, also an abomination, since a son cannot take over the title of his father until the final burial ceremony is performed.

He also committed a taboo and an abomination by committing incest, he slept with many of his own blood relations, including the daughter of Prince Festus Eweka, who had two children for him. Recently she was seen in a rage outside the palace for not been allowed to see him. As for the second wife she is the daughter of Eweka too.

These are not the makings of a king. We have a common adage, “Whom the gods want to destroy they first make mad.

And to make it worse, in the Nations Newspaper online on May 25, 2016 published, “Edo State Government has withdrawn a letter earlier issued on the Oba of Benin, saying it was issued in error.

In a retraction signed by the Secretary to State Government, Prof Julius Ihonvbere, dated May 25, 2016, the government stated: “In deference to the revered age-long tradition and respect for the sensibilities of the people of the great Benin Kingdom, the Government of Edo State hereby withdraws a letter issued on 24th May 2016 entitled: “Appointment of His Royal Highness Edaiken N’Uselu, Crown Prince Eheneden Erediauwa as the Oba of Benin.””

All these are bad signs and omen of what is to come.

The true Crown Prince is Ada Erediauwa if Benin is to be at peace. And for the Ogiamien Royal family to rest, Peace must be pursued by the Oba Palace through talks and not violence, and the Ekiokhagba Treaty honored as it has always done for centuries now.

Let the Oracle speak now in truth for the Bini People.

Ogiamien ghato kpere, Ise.

Sewgon79:


Please my brother, read what Benin people says about their Ọba and some error in past and that is going on.

The Dangers of Crowning the wrong Prince as Oba

Our traditions, culture and customs are willed to bring peace, truth and light to our land. Our lives are guided both by the spirits and the physical, they are one. Inseparable they weave the destiny of a people far beyond our imagination, the mysteries cannot be unfolded at a glance but once the imbalance occurs by an act considered evil it must take its full course, many pay with their lives even before it can be corrected.

The Binis have for some time now lived as though they have been cursed, Robberies, killings, kidnapping, prostitution, incest and much more, all considered abominations and crimes. The gods and our ancestors must be angry. The one trusted to cleanse the land is the one who leads, he alone bears the burden to find solution, but not without consulting his council, the wise ones and the oracle. The stubbornness of a fly they say allows it to be buried with the coffin. Even though many had suspected where the problem comes from, most were not sure until the battle of the Ogiamien and the Oba Palace began about a year ago.

We are talking about the bond made centuries ago now broken.

The first of such bond is the return of the remains of the Oba to Ile-Ife and to obtain permission for the installation of the new Oba of Benin broken by Oba Akenzua II and continued until now. Benin currently owes them three (3) kings.

Second, the Late Oba Erediauwa allegedly slept with his own blood sister by name Princess Comfort Ikuoyewen Eweka the daughter of Oba Eweka II and had Princes Eheneden and Aghatise Erediauwa. This is an abomination because the daughter of an Oba cannot produce an Oba of Benin. It has never happened in the history of Benin. This is a taboo and an abomination in Bini as incest (sexual intercourse between persons so closely related that they are forbidden by law to marry also: the statutory crime of such a relationship) is not permitted. Once a child is born outside of wedlock and the proper traditional rights cannot be performed including the payment of dowry the child is considered illegitimate.

Third, the refusal for Prince Eheneden, the illegitimate and sacrilegious son of Oba Erediauwa though the first son born to him to honor the Ekiokhagba Treaty and imprisoned the Ogiamien of Utantan and brutalized the Ogiamien Royal Family. The Ekiokhagba Treaty was bond between Ogiso Erebo and Oba Eweka I and has existed and is honored by the crown Prince before he is installed and coronated as the next Oba.

The King must be Kind, compassionate, wise as well being a warrior. He must bring peace, good will and prosperity to his people. However, this does not ring true for Prince Eheneden. His half siblings have suffered his wrath over time. Three that come to mind which happened recently is

When he ordered, the first princess, Theresa Erediauwa out of her home, throwing her belongings into the streets like a tenant and common criminal, disgracing her before the kingdom.
Did nothing to intervene when Prince Ekpen Erediauwa’s land was taken away from him unjustly, and crushing his political will.
And asking Prince Omoregbe Erediauwa to remove the sculpture of his late mother, Queen Esther from the five junction.
He allowed himself become a political tool to destroy his own people, and sold out many times for a plate of porridge.

Recently, he drove away palace chiefs asking them to bring their sons in their stead, also an abomination, since a son cannot take over the title of his father until the final burial ceremony is performed.

He also committed a taboo and an abomination by committing incest, he slept with many of his own blood relations, including the daughter of Prince Festus Eweka, who had two children for him. Recently she was seen in a rage outside the palace for not been allowed to see him. As for the second wife she is the daughter of Eweka too.

These are not the makings of a king. We have a common adage, “Whom the gods want to destroy they first make mad.

And to make it worse, in the Nations Newspaper online on May 25, 2016 published, “Edo State Government has withdrawn a letter earlier issued on the Oba of Benin, saying it was issued in error.

In a retraction signed by the Secretary to State Government, Prof Julius Ihonvbere, dated May 25, 2016, the government stated: “In deference to the revered age-long tradition and respect for the sensibilities of the people of the great Benin Kingdom, the Government of Edo State hereby withdraws a letter issued on 24th May 2016 entitled: “Appointment of His Royal Highness Edaiken N’Uselu, Crown Prince Eheneden Erediauwa as the Oba of Benin.””

All these are bad signs and omen of what is to come.

The true Crown Prince is Ada Erediauwa if Benin is to be at peace. And for the Ogiamien Royal family to rest, Peace must be pursued by the Oba Palace through talks and not violence, and the Ekiokhagba Treaty honored as it has always done for centuries now.

Let the Oracle speak now in truth for the Bini People.

Ogiamien ghato kpere, Ise.

Ignorance would not kill you, lol i just wanted to ignore this writeup before......


Let me give you a brief understanding on benin

And the person that wrote this is trying to get sympathy from the people that dont know the custom of benin.....
It is not a taboo for the oba of benin to marry from the royal family it has always been a norm even in ancients past, modernization made it incest, an oba marrying from the royal family helped in strengthen the royal bloodline, they also can marry outsider too, they are some past, incidence that happened in benin that it was requested the oba marry from his royal bloodline
That is cousin, to keep the ogiso dynasty strong, the oba also is allowed to marry outsiders too,
It is a thing of joy if the cousin of the oba gives birth to the first born, the people would be happy that a strong blue blood is going to rule, unlike a prince from commoners

Again when a particular oba dynasty is done, like the present oba EwuareII dynasty if it has ended his own particular family has no business to any royal entity or even to be called prince, to the benins they would be seen little above the commoners, the ewuare11, family completely packs out from the palace and the new king emerge with his family,

That is the crown prince packs in as a the new king while is own father family packs out completely from the palace, in the ancient, it mostly involves a tuggle of war to resolve this, any of the brother that emerge the other must packout for the other


The ogiamien treaty was never involving ife, anyone who is making a remark to it, he is using the myth for his advantage, the true history was never involving ife.......

Note again....

Oba marrying or impregnating is distance cousin or any of his cousin is bounded by royal custom, it has always been happening, it is only allowed in the royal dynasty alone and not to commoners
, this is to secure the royal bloodline, almost every dynasty in the world did this one way or the other even the British dynasty and the Egyptian dynasty...... To secure their bloodline

Stupid yorubas are masturbation on our history,
Claiming the oba as yoruba by all means

gregyboy:




Ignorance would not kill you, lol i just wanted to ignore this writeup before......


Let me give you a brief understanding on benin

And the person that wrote this is trying to get sympathy from the people that dont know the custom of benin.....
It is not a taboo for the oba of benin to marry from the royal family it has always been a norm even in ancients past, modernization made it incest, an oba marrying from the royal family helped in strengthen the royal bloodline, they also can marry outsider too, they are some past, incidence that happened in benin that it was requested the oba marry from his royal bloodline
That is cousin, to keep the ogiso dynasty strong, the oba also is allowed to marry outsiders too,
It is a thing of joy if the cousin of the oba gives birth to the first born, the people would be happy that a strong blue blood is going to rule, unlike a prince from commoners

Again when a particular oba dynasty is done, like the present oba EwuareII dynasty if it has ended his own particular family has no business to any royal entity or even to be called prince, to the benins they would be seen little above the commoners, the ewuare11, family completely packs out from the palace and the new king emerge with his family,

That is the crown prince packs in as a the new king while is own father family packs out completely from the palace, in the ancient, it mostly involves a tuggle of war to resolve this, any of the brother that emerge the other must packout for the other


The ogiamien treaty was never involving ife, anyone who is making a remark to it, he is using the myth for his advantage, the true history was never involving ife.......

Note again....

Oba marrying or impregnating is distance cousin or any of his cousin is bounded by royal custom, it has always been happening, it is only allowed in the royal dynasty alone and not to commoners
, this is to secure the royal bloodline, almost every dynasty in the world did this one way or the other even the British dynasty and the Egyptian dynasty...... To secure their bloodline

Stupid yorubas are masturbation on our history,
Claiming the oba as yoruba by all means

The truth, they say, is bitter...

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This nut head named greyhead is back looking for attention.

Lazy greyboy,from all of your post ,I perceived that you have a deep hatred for yorubas,but you know what? Yorubas are great, Oyo was mighty, Benin was a small village compared to Oyo, Yoruba's struck fear into the hearts of your anscenstor, they are wise, they are cunning they are ancient, the more you hate Yoruba the more they get stronger,choose your mates like those delta minor tribes,yorubas aren't your mate