vululadilolo:


He is right though.

Being a Student is "better" than being an "Asylum seeker". However, being a "Refugee"( as in having your asylum claim/petition approved or at least granted some sort of protection similar to what Refugees receive) is in general "better" than being a Student.

As a "Refugee"( or assimilate), you can stay legally ( indefinitely?) in the country and you have access to all social benefits + free to work, travel or do whatever you want as long as it's lawful.

But, like he said, nowadays, most European countries hardly approve Asylum claims of Africans ( except in some specific cases such as homosexuality, human trafficking or the likes.). So most times, for Africans, seeking Asylum is a waste of time due to the fact that the chances of getting the status of Refugee- or assimilate- are very very slim. Unless they use that time ( it can take years) to seek for other alternatives(work or marriage but it's harder these days ) to get their "stay".

In short ( to me), for an African, it's better to travel to Germany as a Student( vs Asylum seeker except of course, there is a legitimate and full proof case of persecution ). At least with the education you receive, if you can't stay after your studies, you can migrate to other "developed" countries (Loads of Africans in Canada via Express Entry where once students in Europe with no possibility or fewer possibilities to stay in the countries where they studied).
You also have the time( for a genuine student at least) to plan what you are going to do after your studies. Heck even if you don't finish your studies, it's easier to get a visa as a student in another European ( Western country).

With Asylum, If they refuse( the probability of a refusal is close to 90%) your petition, due to what they call "Dublin Case", you can't claim Asylum somewhere else( at least not in Europe).

Of course, while they are reviewing your Asylum claims, in general, they feed, clothe or give you some stipends. You can even work but your life is somewhat "suspended".

Many Asylum seekers end up "trapped" or "illegal" unless they were able to change their status via another legal route( in a lot of cases via marriage but like I said earlier it's harder these days).

As I said earlier, being granted asylum as a Nigerian is almost impossible because Nigeria is deemed a safe country. Except you’re gay or have a strong story to tell. So in that case, comparing the chances of rejection to a student status is not valid.

We are talking about “Refugees” who have been granted Asylum in comparison to a student status. Not someone who is still applying for Asylum. Of course the chances of getting a student visa is higher than getting Asylum but that’s not my point. My point is on those who have been granted Asylum, not those who were rejected and have to find their way.

A refugee can also finish his studies and migrate to another developed country. Only thing is, he would lose his refugee status in the country that offered him protection, if he decides to leave. Just like a student would lose their student status if they decide to leave. This applies if the refugee does not have permanent residency or citizenship.

A refugee also has time to plan what they’re going to do with their future. Your statement: ”Heck even if you don't finish your studies, it's easier to get a visa as a student in another European ( Western country)”..... if you’re already a student in Germany, which visa do you need to study in another European country?

How is the life of a refugee “suspended” ? Pls tell me

Your focus seems to be about rejection and the risk of applying for Asylum. The information I offered is for those who may wish to consider applying for Asylum. Embassies reject visas every day but people are still applying for visa. People even pay school fees and their visas get rejected. I don’t know where this refugee scare is coming from.

It is common sense that anybody applying for Asylum should know that their application can be rejected. I also stated what they can do in case of rejection. Please stop infusing hopelessness and panic in people’s minds. Not everybody can be a student with student visa.

On a final note, my Asylum post was about how to apply, what to expect, and life as a refugee. I did not come here to tell you how someone’s brother is suffering after they’ve been rejected or how illegal immigrants are coping as aduro. I only offered information about application, for those who may be considering it.

I also pointed out how hard it is for Nigerians to be granted Asylum. Anybody with common sense should know that there’s a high chance of being rejected. I told you what you can do in case of rejection. Whatever choice you make is yours.

The point about a refugee status being better than a student status is my “personal” opinion like I said, and I backed it up with facts. If you want to argue it, also provide facts. Don’t just come here to tell me how people are suffering because of aduro and how they’re stranded or whatever. That is story for your village people. Provide facts based on the laws applicable to both refugee and student status.

Tomorrow we shall continue with other topics. Good night y’all

Danielhouston:
On a final note, my Asylum post was about how to apply, what to expect, and life as a refugee. I did not come here to tell you how someone’s brother is suffering after they’ve been rejected or how illegal immigrants are coping as aduro. I only offered information about application, for those who may be considering it.

Hello, Thanks for updating us on "Asylum in Germany" you really did an amazing job.

Please I want to make Enquiries about the Asylum process as you stated that you volunteered for a year.

1. Is the Asylum process worth it considering how most asylum seekers are being treated in refugee camps (I read some reports online)

2. If an Asylum seeker has legitimate reasons for seeking asylum in Germany, how long does the whole process take.

I look forward to your reply.

adecrownx:
if you wish to migrate using the asylum route, Kindly follow the advises this God-sent angel @Danielhouston is giving everyone and also check this link for statistics to know your chances as a Nigerian. https://www.worlddata.info/africa/nigeria/asylum.php

Thank you for this. Great article

Breezy99:


Hello, Thanks for updating us on "Asylum in Germany" you really did an amazing job.

Please I want to make Enquiries about the Asylum process as you stated that you volunteered for a year.

1. Is the Asylum process worth it considering how most asylum seekers are being treated in refugee camps (I read some reports online)

2. If an Asylum seeker has legitimate reasons for seeking asylum in Germany, how long does the whole process take.

I look forward to your reply.

I had to get up from my bed to reply your question because it is very important.

While I worked as a volunteer, I saw things that I was not happy about. There were human right violations and inhumane treatment of Asylum seekers in camps. That depends largely on the city. You would not compare Berlin to a village in Hessen. For the most part, Bavaria and Saxony had the most complaints. Especially for racist reasons.

If your camp is in a racist town, you’d likely face discrimination and hate from the residents in that town. Even sometimes, physical attacks. Also bad living condition which is below the standard in Germany. I once visited a refugee in a small town and I was annoyed by how long I had to walk to the camp. There was no bus going there and the camp was literally in the bush. I imagined how they had to walk that distance everyday to buy food or go to the train station.

However some of those stories are exaggerated. Some of the Asylum seekers feel so entitled and are violent. They would throw food back at the volunteers and cause trouble. Even the volunteers became scared for their lives.
Imagine someone who has escaped war and risked their life on the sea to get to Germany. They’d become fearless. That fearlessness can easily become aggression and lead to violence. This is also why special camps were created for LGBT people.

Their complaints were mostly bad food, dirty toilet, 5 people in one room, how long they have to be there, losing their dignity, how they’re being treated by security, etc. Truly, some securities are really mean to them.

Whether it is worth it, is a personal opinion. That is something you would have to decide for yourself. Would you stay in a camp for a period of time and live freely if you’re granted Asylum or would you rather go back to Nigeria? The choice is yours.

2. The process can take 3 months or even years. Now it is faster because there are less applications and quick rejections for those not eligible. If you’re eligible, it can be 3 to 6 months. It also depends on your city.
The ones who take years are people who were rejected and have to appeal. The appeals can take a long time. That is usually when some of them become escorts to make money and pay their lawyer. Your application can also take longer if you arrived without a passport and they have to verify your identity.

Savagethe21st:
can i pm you?

Ask your questions here, it will help others too.

Danielhouston:


I had to get up from my bed to reply your question because it is very important.

While I worked as a volunteer, I saw things that I was not happy about. There were human right violations and inhumane treatment of Asylum seekers in camps. That depends largely on the city. You would not compare Berlin to a village in Hessen. For the most part, Bavaria and Saxony had the most complaints. Especially for racist reasons.

If your camp is in a racist town, you’d likely face discrimination and hate from the residents in that town. Even sometimes, physical attacks. Also bad living condition which is below the standard in Germany. I once visited a refugee in a small town and I was annoyed by how long I had to walk to the camp. There was no bus going there and the camp was literally in the bush. I imagined how they had to walk that distance everyday to buy food or go to the train station.

However some of those stories are exaggerated. Some of the Asylum seekers feel so entitled and are violent. They would throw food back at the volunteers and cause trouble. Even the volunteers became scared for their lives.
Imagine someone who has escaped war and risked their life on the sea to get to Germany. They’d become fearless. That fearlessness can easily become aggression and lead to violence. This is also why special camps were created for LGBT people.

Their complaints were mostly bad food, dirty toilet, 5 people in one room, how long they have to be there, losing their dignity, how they’re being treated by security, etc. Truly, some securities are really mean to them.

Whether it is worth it, is a personal opinion. That is something you would have to decide for yourself. Would you stay in a camp for a period of time and live freely if you’re granted Asylum or would you rather go back to Nigeria? The choice is yours.

2. The process can take 3 months or even years. Now it is faster because there are less applications and quick rejections for those not eligible. If you’re eligible, it can be 3 to 6 months. It also depends on your city.
The ones who take years are people who were rejected and have to appeal. The appeals can take a long time. That is usually when some of them become escorts to make money and pay their lawyer. Your application can also take longer if you arrived without a passport and they have to verify your identity.

Thank you for replying this, I really appreciate it.

Smh at Nigerians shaming refugees. Talking about “I would never wish that on my worst enemy”.

There are Nigerians living without electricity, some have no running water, they fetch water from a well or from their neighbor’s house, graduates are frustrated without jobs, those with jobs are paid peanuts, people are hustling under hot sun for hours, police is harassing and killing young boys, armed robbers are robbing people with guns, some people went to LUTH with stomach pain and died there because of bad healthcare.
Yet you won’t wish being a refugee in Germany on your worst enemy?

Refugees in Germany live in a developed country, they can get education, travel the world, visit schengen countries without visa, get a good job, good healthcare, social amenities, even if they lose their job they can get unemployment benefits.

In my 7 years of living in Germany, I’ve never washed my clothes with my hands, I’ve never carried a bucket of water, I’ve never used kerosene to cook. That’s how easy life abroad can be. The little things we take for granted.

Students can proudly say they came on a student visa and study at a University. Compared to a refugee who would say he came with a boat and stayed in a camp. Meanwhile, an educated refugee can further his education or take up training and even get a better job than some students. Some refugees were doctors in their home country.

In the company I work, there are refugees working as data analyst, product analyst, customer care, marketers, sales rep. I came as a student and they’re my colleagues.

Just because Abubakar your neighbor did not succeed, does not mean other people should be hopeless.

Danielhouston:
Smh at Nigerians shaming refugees. Talking about “I would never wish that on my worst enemy”.

There are Nigerians living without electricity, some have no running water, they fetch water from a well or from their neighbor’s house, graduates are frustrated without jobs, those with jobs are paid peanuts, people are hustling under hot sun for hours, police is harassing and killing young boys, armed robbers are robbing people with guns, some people went to LUTH with stomach pain and died there because of bad healthcare.
Yet you won’t wish being a refugee in Germany on your worst enemy?

Refugees in Germany live in a developed country, they can get education, travel the world, visit schengen countries without visa, get a good job, good healthcare, social amenities, even if they lose their job they can get unemployment benefits.

In my 7 years of living in Germany, I’ve never washed my clothes with my hands, I’ve never carried a bucket of water, I’ve never used kerosene to cook. That’s how easy life abroad can be. The little things we take for granted.

Students can proudly say they came on a student visa and study at a University. Compared to a refugee who would say he came with a boat and stayed in a camp. Meanwhile, an educated refugee can further his education or take up training and even get a better job than some students. Some refugees were doctors in their home country.

In the company I work, there are refugees working as data analyst, product analyst, customer care, marketers, sales rep. I came as a student and they’re my colleagues.

Just because Abubakar your neighbor did not succeed, does not mean other people should be hopeless.

Bro ride on. You are such an inspiration.

I love your vibration Bro. It makes lot of sense. Well done!

Danielhouston:


Again, nonsense. Anybody who refuses to go to school, that is their choice. Also anybody who changes his name from Solomon to Abubakar, and says he’s from Congo, that is his choice. How does someone’s personal choice affect everybody else? Even a student who uses fake name or passport will have problem when applying for visa. So what’s your point?

So because someone refused to learn German, that should affect all refugees in Germany? What type of nonsense are you talking about?
Anybody who is not qualified for a professional job will not get it. Whether refugee or not. If you’re an illiterate with no degree, refugee will not make you work in a bank.

There’s no difference in Asylum benefits between Syrians and blacks. Refugee is refugee. Doesn’t matter how you came to Germany. If you are granted asylum as a refugee, your rights are the same as every refugee.

Justwise pls get this guy out of this thread. I accept other opinions but I don’t like misinformation just to start sh*t

Get down from that high horse. You are not the sole custodian of German immigration knowledge.

You can be right and wrong same with people who have dissenting opinions

AfonjaBoston:


Get down from that high horse. You are not the sole custodian of German immigration knowledge.

You can be right and wrong same with people who have dissenting opinions

Ok, what is your contribution to the thread? Pls share the information you know.

Danielhouston:


You will not find a black person working in the bank or at the front desk of a hospital. You’ll rarely and almost never see a black doctor. The day I went to a dentist in Berlin and my dentist was a black woman, I cried. She was smiling and crying as well. You rarely even see a black bus or train driver. Only a handful.

Lol...you're almost in mind with this statement. You are absolutely correct. In your opinion what do you think is the reason?

AfonjaBoston:


Get down from that high horse. You are not the sole custodian of German immigration knowledge.

You can be right and wrong same with people who have dissenting opinions

I have to agree with you on this.

Opening a thread does not mean your are the grand lord of the immigration system, everybody has different opinions of how things work.

DGodson99:


Lol...you're almost in mind with this statement. You are absolutely correct. In your opinion what do you think is the reason?

Racism

sexylassie2:


I have to agree with you on this.

Opening a thread does not mean your are the grand lord of the immigration system, everybody has different opinions of how things work.

If your opinion is not backed up by facts and what the law says, then it is useless information. We are not here to give opinions and spread lies. The information I shared is what the law says and what anybody going by the law will experience. This thread is not for people trying to do things the illegal way.

Danielhouston:


Racism

I don't think it is racism, the same way, you won't see a white govt worker in Nigeria, is the same way you won't see blacks as doctors and bank workers in Germany.

This is more than racism but economical power, we blacks should stop the victim mentality, first if all, it is not our country, don't expect equal opportunities, the German govt will first think about the German white citizens before a foreigner, btw, the foreigners are not the one voting in elections but the Germans. if all jobs are given to foreigners do you think the Germans will be happy.

In every society, the govt must think about its natives first before foreigners, a native must have economical, political and social power before a foreigner or else it will be disaster, it happens every where.

It is up to foreigners whether blacks, yellow or of any race to find its own path to success in a foreign country.

All the people showing up out of nowhere to criticize me, some of you don’t even live in Germany. If you’re going to attack me, pls also share the information you know and tell us your own version of the law.
Don’t just drop vile comments without telling us what you know.

Danielhouston:


If your opinion is not backed up by facts and what the law says, then it is useless information. We are not here to give opinions and spread lies. The information I shared is what the law says and what anybody going by the law will experience. This thread is not for people trying to do things the illegal way.

Yes, your opinion is back up with fact but don't you think other people's point of views will be needed.

No man is an island of knowledge

sexylassie2:


I don't think it is racism, the same way, you won't see a white govt worker in Nigeria, is the same way you won't see blacks as doctors and bank workers in Germany.

This is more than racism but economical power, we blacks should stop the victim mentality, first if all, it is not our country, don't expect equal opportunities, the German govt will first think about the German white citizens before a foreigner, the foreigners are not the one voting in elections but the Germans, if all jobs are given to foreigners do you think the Germans will happy.

In every society, the govt must think about its native first before a foreigner, a native must have economical, political and social power before a foreigner or else it will be disaster, it happens every where.

It is up to foreigners whether blacks, yellow or of an race to find its own path to success in a foreign country.

Smh I should have known you’re one of those. Your comment is embedded in self hate and ignorance. You’re one of those people who don’t have a clue but want to sound intelligent for attention.

Danielhouston:


Smh I should have known you’re one of those. Your comment is embedded in self hate and ignorance. You’re one of those people who don’t have a clue but want to sound intelligent for attention.

This not ignorance or self hate but the truth

Do you think it is racism when germans do not give visas to black people?

No i dont think so, there is a quota system for permitted number of foreigners in a country.

There needs to be a balance, foreigners can not exceed natives or else natives will lose economic, political and social power, every where in the world, it is like that.

Do you think, Nigeria will allow foreigners to occupy everywhere, no, natives will lose their power, it will cause backlash and strong anti foreigner sentiment.

This is just common sense

sexylassie2:


I don't think it is racism, the same way, you won't see a white govt worker in Nigeria, is the same way you won't see blacks as doctors and bank workers in Germany.

This is more than racism but economical power, we blacks should stop the victim mentality, first if all, it is not our country, don't expect equal opportunities, the German govt will first think about the German white citizens before a foreigner, the foreigners are not the one voting in elections but the Germans, if all jobs are given to foreigners do you think the Germans will happy.

In every society, the govt must think about its native first before a foreigner, a native must have economical, political and social power before a foreigner or else it will be disaster, it happens every where.

It is up to foreigners whether blacks, yellow or of any race to find its own path to success in a foreign country.

As much as I agree with you, you have to understand that's his opinion which doesn't make it necessarily right or wrong. I asked him that question because of his earlier comment which I found amusing...anyways have a good one

sexylassie2:


I have to agree with you on this.

Opening a thread does not mean your are the grand lord of the immigration system, everybody has different opinions of how things work.

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Comman carry your sister back to Uber thread oo

Richdee1:


Oh Sexy don land here again
chillex Felicity001, Babadee izzou
Comman carry your sister back to Uber thread oo

Lol

sexylassie2:


Yes, your opinion is back up with fact but don't you think other people's point of views will be needed.

No man is an island of knowledge

Chai... SMH! Do you even listen to what you're saying at all. you said yourself that his opinion is back up with facts which is how it is according to German's law. Now tell me why I need to listen to other people's point of views for goodness sake when it is based on their own sentiment alone and not what the law says? Just tell me why for goodness sake!

oyekan1997:


Chai... SMH! Do you even listen to what you're saying at all. you said yourself that his opinion is back up with facts which is how it is according to German's law. Now tell me why I need to listen to other people's point of views for goodness sake when it is based on their own sentiment alone and not what the law says? Just tell me why for goodness sake!

But he is not the only Nigerian in Germany.

Everybody should also give their opinion as long as it is backed by fact.

A given situation might have different point of view even with the same fact.

sexylassie2:


But he is not the only Nigerian in Germany.

Everybody should also give their opinion as long as it is backed by fact.

A given situation might have different point of view even with the same fact.

I see you’re a renowned troublemaker. There are other Nigerians in Germany who have contributed to this thread and I acknowledged and thanked them. They shared the right information. The ones who just showed up out of nowhere to spread misinformation and lies just to discourage people, are the ones I will not tolerate.

You on the other hand, you have nothing sensible to contribute than say stupid things to sound intelligent. You have not said one thing you know about Germany.

sexylassie2:


But he is not the only Nigerian in Germany.

Everybody should also give their opinion as long as it is backed by fact.

A given situation might have different point of view even with the same fact.

Then other Nigerians in Germany should come out with facts according to the law and dispute him if Daniel is actually lying. At least dem full this thread. C'est fini!

Sexylassie2 stick to gender war, please don't spoil this beautiful thread for us...

You are a well known gender war Lord on Romance and family section.

DanielHouston Please don't take that girl serious, you're doing a great job here.

My observation so far.

DanielHouston I have been following this thread right from the beginning, I must commend your efforts you always back up everything with facts, this thread is arguably the most detailed on NL travel section but I just think you should be lenient with your replies to fallacious comments.

Danielhouston:


I see you’re a renowned troublemaker. There are other Nigerians in Germany who have contributed to this thread and I acknowledged and thanked them. They shared the right information. The ones who just showed up out of nowhere to spread misinformation and lies just to discourage people, are the ones I will not tolerate.

You on the other hand, you have nothing sensible to contribute than say stupid things to sound intelligent. You have not said one thing you know about Germany.

Do not let your ego override you because of the likes, I didn't even abuse you for once.

Weren't you the one who criticise someone for giving a different point of view, you always bully those who disagrees with you.

I have been reading your thread and you act like you are the one who created the german immigration law and nobody can tell you otherwise, when others who are in Germany might have different point of view.

I know the next thing to call is the mod just like you did for others who didn't agree with you.