nihilistjnr:


I've never implied that lobbying alone is the answer to oppression.

The point which I'm trying to make here is that political access is strongly required to effect change...and that level of access has to be purchased...it will not be given to you on the basis of a high quality shalaye, or the loudness of your noisemaking.

Fam, what I'm telling you is that money talks. That's my main argument. Anything else is really superfluous and tangential to my point

My frustration with you on this racism issue is how you are seriously underscoring the problem.
You can't give solutions to a problem if you do not fully understand the scope of the problem.

Your arguments skews the narrative to look like money alone will solve the problem which exposes a flawed taught process towards racism seeing as it is a global issue.

First of all, what is RACISM;
Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another

I really need you to look at the bolded and deeply understand it.

Sociologists have listed racism as the greatest single social aberration in the history of human society/humankind.

When we talk of racism, you begin to list other lesser forms of human problems like Nazism, anti-semitism or even common independence struggles found in small pockets around the globe.

Racism is a belief system that took hold around the entire world for centuries, it was not limited to a region, country or even continents.

You have a situation whereby other races saw a person with black skin as having a stunted mental capacity, as being unable to harbour feelings or emotions.

Till today, you have a common situation in different countries where you have 5 people of different races with same qualifications go for a job and the black person is the least favorite because the employee genuinely believes that the black person lacks the same mental acuity as the people of other races.

Nihilist, you are a smart guy, there is no doubt about that, but you limiting the racism issue to a problem which only money and power(whatever that means here) displays the very limited scope you have on RACISM. you really need to study it up.

A black person is treated differently in many South American countries like Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela etc.

A black person is treated differently in America and Canada.
A black person is treated differently even in his native African continent, cue in South Africa, Kenya, Zimbabwe etc.
A black person is treated differently in asia, like in China, Japan, Malaysia etc.
A black person is treated differently in Europe, like in Russia, Germany, many Eastern European countries etc.

RACISM IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON.

The black race is seen as inferior to all other races because this beliefs were taught and believed for a very very long time. I say again you do racism a great injustice when you compare it will other smaller social problems.
You don't see people killing Chinese or Indians simply because of their skin color.

What makes racism unique to others is that it is a global belief system.
The only belief system that can compare with racism in terms of scale is religion.

Both of us are atheists who do not believe in any particular religion so I reckon you can understand how difficult it is when you try to make other people shed beliefs that they have held dear all their lives. Beliefs shared by their parents and ancestors and their immediate society.

The stronghold that religion had was the same with the stronghold that racists ideology and beliefs also had for centuries.

The solution to the problem is continuous sensitization and awareness towards the issue. To be able to continue the global campaign on the dangers of racism.

We already have numerous black people in positions of power on a global stage. Spread across many countries in all continents. And also in the UN and other reputable international bodies.

As I said yesterday, African countries need to rise up too. Because racists look upon the plight of African countries and it reinforces their beliefs that the black man is incapable of self rule and basic organisation.
African countries need to unite. Racism affects the entire black race that makes up up-to 25% of the global population.
African countries need to unite and have one voice internationally for us to see the back of racism once and for all.

The African continent has the highest amount of natural resources on our soil, there you have your incentive and leverage. other people need us, we simply need to speak with one voice.

Please, you need to broaden your horizon and deeply understand this global menace called racism.

Good.

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donjazet:


My frustration with you on this racism issue is how you are seriously underscoring the problem.
You can't give solutions to a problem if you do not fully understand the scope of the problem.

Your arguments skews the narrative to look like money alone will solve the problem which exposes a flawed taught process towards racism seeing as it is a global issue.

First of all, what is RACISM;
Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another

I really need you to look at the bolded and deeply understand it.

Sociologists have listed racism as the greatest single social aberration in the history of human society/humankind.

When we talk of racism, you begin to list other lesser forms of human problems like Nazism, anti-semitism or even common independence struggles found in small pockets around the globe.

Racism is a belief system that took hold around the entire world for centuries, it was not limited to a region, country or even continents.

You have a situation whereby other races saw a person with black skin as having a stunted mental capacity, as being unable to harbour feelings or emotions.

Till today, you have a common situation in different countries where you have 5 people of different races with same qualifications go for a job and the black person is the least favorite because the employee genuinely believes that the black person lacks the same mental acuity as the people of other races.

Nihilist, you are a smart guy, there is no doubt about that, but you limiting the racism issue to a problem which only money and power(whatever that means here) displays the very limited scope you have on RACISM. you really need to study it up.

A black person is treated differently in many South American countries like Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela etc.

A black person is treated differently in America and Canada.
A black person is treated differently even in his native African continent, cue in South Africa, Kenya, Zimbabwe etc.
A black person is treated differently in asia, like in China, Japan, Malaysia etc.
A black person is treated differently in Europe, like in Russia, Germany, many Eastern European countries etc.

RACISM IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON.

The black race is seen as inferior to all other races because this beliefs were taught and believed for a very very long time. I say again you do racism a great injustice when you compare it will other smaller social problems.
You don't see people killing Chinese or Indians simply because of their skin color.

What makes racism unique to others is that it is a global belief system.
The only belief system that can compare with racism in terms of scale is religion.

Both of us are atheists who do not believe in any particular religion so I reckon you can understand how difficult it is when you try to make other people shed beliefs that they have held dear all their lives. Beliefs shared by their parents and ancestors and their immediate society.

The stronghold that religion had was the same with the stronghold that racists ideology and beliefs also had for centuries.

The solution to the problem is continuous sensitization and awareness towards the issue. To be able to continue the global campaign on the dangers of racism.

We already have numerous black people in positions of power on a global stage. Spread across many countries in all continents. And also in the UN and other reputable international bodies.

As I said yesterday, African countries need to rise up too. Because racists look upon the plight of African countries and it reinforces their beliefs that the black man is incapable of self rule and basic organisation.
African countries need to unite. Racism affects the entire black race that makes up up-to 25% of the global population.
African countries need to unite and have one voice internationally for us to see the back of racism once and for all.

The African continent has the highest amount of natural resources on our soil, there you have your incentive and leverage. other people need us, we simply need to speak with one voice.

Please, you need to broaden your horizon and deeply understand this global menace called racism.

You dey Naija dey tell me say me wey don dey UK over 10 years no understand racism?

Godx:

The real protestors have destroyed the police precinct. People who steal from stores are criminals, not protestors, and should be treated as such. Don't be blinded to think blacks are the only ones looting properties.

What did Trump say about those looting? Did he talk about only black looters?

popizaino:


You're always interested in polemics. What has religion got to do with what is been discussed here? You can read all the religious books in the world but that hasn't stopped you from being a confused human being. Reading through your jargons and knowing you still think Allah is an Arab God and Islam is an Arab culture makes you more dense than your great grandfather who accepted mirror in exchange of gold.

Tough

nihilistjnr:


You dey Naija dey tell me say me wey don dey UK over 10 years no understand racism?

It's not by country of residence, I have stated already that you are a smart guy but obviously you haven't really studied the problem of racism else you wouldn't give such vague opinion.

nihilistjnr:


You dey Naija dey tell me say me wey don dey UK over 10 years no understand racism?

Inside life.

He will soon tell you that na Peckham you dey, no be main UK.

airmark:


Inside life.

He will soon tell you that na Peckham you dey, no be main UK.

Imagine.

You can't support the theory of evolution and natural selection and complain about racism because those who are racist towards others justify their claims with these theories. Racialism has always been in existent right from the beginning of creation but it became heightened since Charles Darwin came with his theory and it was used as a tool to justify the oppression of blacks and other races (though I don't categorized humans into races I'm using the world race for conventional reason).

donjazet:


It's not by country of residence, I have stated already that you are a smart guy but obviously you haven't really studied the problem of racism else you wouldn't give such vague opinion.
There are 4 basic areas of study I have studied independently and assiduously for years. They are history of countries in general, various religious beliefs, reasons for variance of sexual orientations and racism.

So I believe I am well fortified enlightenment wise to speak on these issues.

Nah what you are is arrogant bruv.

I first stepped foot in UK in 1999, and have been resident here since 2006. I'm usually the only black guy in the room at work. My wife is white and I have two mixed race kids.

It's so weird to read you telling me that I did not understand racism, but you do, because you read about it.

Bruv you don't even live in Lagos.

Amoto94:


You can't support the theory of evolution and natural selection and complain about racism because those who are racist towards others justify their claims with these theories. Racialism has always been in existent right from the beginning of creation but it became heightened since Charles Darwin came with his theory and it was used as a tool to justify the oppression of blacks and other races (though I don't categorized humans into races I'm using the world race for conventional reason).

That is false. Evolution has nothing to do with racism.

eph12:

What did Trump say about those looting? Did he talk about only black looters?

ok

donjazet:


That is false. Evolution has nothing to do with racism.

It has everything to do with it

nihilistjnr:


Nah what you are is arrogant bruv.
I first stepped foot in UK in 1999, and have been resident here since 2006. I'm usually the only black guy in the room at work. My wife is white and I have two mixed race kids.
It's so weird to read you telling me that I did not understand racism, but you do, because you read about it.

Bruv you don't even live in Lagos.

What the fuck_ does living in lagos have to do with anything?
Knowledge has nothing to do with country of origin or residence my friend.

There are some black people who were even born there who are oblivious to the issue of racism. Most especially individuals who have been shielded from the pangs of racism.

You are the arrogant fellow who cannot dare to accept his limitation on a subject matter.

donjazet:


Knowledge has nothing to do with country of origin or residence my friend.

There are some black people who were even born there who are oblivious to the issue of racism. Most especially individuals who have been shielded from the pangs of racism.

You are the arrogant fellow who cannot dare to accept his limitation on a subject matter.

This is actually hilarious.

Amoto94:
It has everything to do with it

Then justify your statement. You can't just make such fallacious statement and leave it vague.

Offer proof of your statement.
How is the theory of evolution linked to racism?

nihilistjnr:




This is actually hilarious.

Take it as you will.. We agree to disagree.

DonJ blood too dey hot recently

nihilistjnr:


You dey Naija dey tell me say me wey don dey UK over 10 years no understand racism?

Na wetyn dey tire me for the guy matter.

Me I no dey form authority. I just dey say my piece and move on.

Ibime:
DonJ blood too dey hot recently

I no come understand my guy nihilist oo. I point out him error towards the racism matter, him begin dey yarn me lagos, no lagos matter

Abi na only lagos people dey go school, dey read book?

As a matter of fact sef, na the lagos I actually dey stay now. Simple look at my profile go show you.

odizeey:

Na wetyn dey tire me for the guy matter.

Me I no dey form authority. I just dey say my piece and move on.

I no even get time to follow am argue.

The guy thinks racism is something you read in a book.

nihilistjnr:


I no even get time to follow am argue.

The guy thinks racism is something you read in a book.

Nigga_, I'm quite surprised and disappointed with this your line of thought.

Are you trying to say for instance, that one cannot have an opinion on American politics if the person doesn't live there??

It's almost the same as saying one cannot have opinions about European football or issues if you haven't actually been there live!
Such shallowness and arrogance
All I'm seeing is a poor attempt at show off or something.
Nigga_ this is the 21st century where there are readily available sources of information. No information is constrained by distance or time.
I'm really surprised and disappointed by your reasoning here.

nihilistjnr:


I no even get time to follow am argue.

The guy thinks racism is something you read in a book.

Don J feels for his black brothers. Blood is thicker than water sha

donjazet:


I no come understand my guy nihilist oo. I point out him error towards the racism matter, him begin dey yarn me lagos, no lagos matter

Abi na only lagos people dey go school, dey read book?

As a matter of fact sef, na the lagos I actually dey stay now. Simple look at my profile go show you.

Guy, reading about the history of racism and living in the midst of those who are supposed to be racist are not the same thing.

Wetin Nihilist dey tell you be say you read too much and take what you read too literally. Don't think you are the only one to read up on the subject.

Roland17:
I have had my personal experiences but it is very important that I make it clear that I detest any argument that seeks to burden blacks especially African Americans as the cause of racism in America because it is an irrational and absolutely irresponsible narrative that continues to ensure racism in all aspects of life thrive.

Just because you have not experienced racism directly or indirectly in America or wherever does not mean it does not exist neither does it mean it is not a primary function of our society, heck the foundation of our country is premised on slavery/ racism. Let me assure you that if the opportunity avails itself, you will not be spared. This is not about a victim mentality by African Americans, it is the absolute truth and reality.

Make a clear case for your self but please and please stop ascribing the degradation of a particular race on the same people. There is absolutely no justification for racism, absolutely none!!!!I am tired of reading such disrespectful comments on this thread.

LMFAO....This is the same vibe I get when I read some people posts here about this issue. They are trying to word their opinion smartly but we can see all through their bullshits. They are blaming African Americans for the Racism they are facing in the country.

Ibime:


Guy, reading about the history of racism and living in the midst of those who are supposed to be racist are not the same thing.

Wetin Nihilist dey tell you be say you read too much and take what you read too literally. Don't think you are the only one to read up on the subject.

I respectfully disagree with the bolded.
there are some black illiterates or poor black people born in the UK who might be completely oblivious to the issue of racism. They might be experiencing forms of racism without knowing about it.

Or on the other hand, some very wealthy black people in the UK who may have heard of it but are privileged not to have experienced it by virtue of wealth and privilege.

I think I get the sense of the point you are making sha, that people experiencing it there are expected to have more knowledge on the issue, but nihilist's response and opinions on the issue points to the contrary and that's why I addressed him directly on this.

Ibime's uncle.

Many guys on social Media are complaining about the manslaughter charge on the cop and can't understand why he wasn't charged with first degree murder.

This is why it's important to be calculative and not get too emotive on an issue. There is no court that would convict that guy on first degree murder as it wasn't premeditated or planned. He was called to an incident, completely ruling out premeditation. 2nd degree murder charge is also likely to fail as it would be difficult to prove it was willful intention of causing death. Manslaughter charge is the only charge that will stick. If they can get the FBI to throw in some Civil rights charges, hopefully they can extend the guys prison time and deliver some modicum of justice. Also the guy is said to have been the subject of 18 investigations. FBI should trawl through these including his 3 shootings to see if they can compound his legal woes.

Ibime:
Many guys on social Media are complaining about the manslaughter charge on the cop and can't understand why he wasn't charged with first degree murder.

This is why it's important to be calculative and not get too emotive on an issue. There is no court that would convict that guy on first degree murder as it wasn't premeditated or planned. He was called to an incident, completely ruling out premeditation. 2nd degree murder charge is also likely to fail as it would be difficult to prove it was willful intention of causing death. Manslaughter charge is the only charge that will stick. If they can get the FBI to throw in some Civil rights charges, hopefully they can extend the guys prison time and deliver some modicum of justice. Also the guy is said to have been the subject of 18 investigations. FBI should trawl through these including his 3 shootings to see if they can compound his legal woes.

3rd degree murder fetches him 25 to 35yrs in the gaol.

donjazet:


I respectfully disagree with the bolded.
there are some black illiterates or poor black people born in the UK who might be completely oblivious to the issue of racism. They might be experiencing forms of racism without knowing about it.

Or on the other hand, some very wealthy black people in the UK who may have heard of it but are privileged not to have experienced it by virtue of wealth and privilege.

I think I get the sense of the point you are making sha, that people experiencing it there are expected to have more knowledge on the issue, but nihilist's response and opinions on the issue points to the contrary and that's why I addressed him directly on this.

Don't make assumptions. No doubt people experience racism but reading from books on the subject will only give you a heightened sense of it. If the book is about racism, then that's all the book will talk about. It won't tell you that people are human beings who enjoy companionship first and foremost. If I tell you my two black children were made sole heirs to a conservative supporting white woman in her late 50s who always complains about immigrants in her hometown of Folkestone, you won't believe it. And guess what, my wife only met her through work in 2010.

Expert17, abeg what is your view on racism in Scotland?

airmark:


3rd degree murder fetches him 25 to 35yrs in the gaol.

Good. They should easily prove the case and let the Judge hand out the maximum

DonJ, you need to always calm your nerves abeg. No price for anyone for winning arguments here on NL.