MrPRevailer:


The Bible's Old testament is the Jewish book. While the New Testament is an extension of the Jewish book/religion.

Everything written about the prophesied Messiah in the O.T was fulfilled by Jesus Christ which have birth to the new testament. The books of N.T were written by the disciples and apostles.

Example, the book of Corinthians, Colossians, Thessalonians were Apostle Paul's letter to the churches in those regions. Book of Peter was Peter's letters to the church. Book of Revelation was John's Revelation to the church (after he was cast to exile into the Wilderness of Patmos).

believing ti e ni yen

That is your belief does not make it true .

Who wrote it?
You are just echoing a lot of hearsay and rumours.

We gave our own stories about our history and origin in Africa why should we throw them away and embrace Jewish stories that have nothing to do with us? Is that not foolishness?

0m0nnakoda:
believing ti e ni yen

That is your belief does not make it true .

Who wrote it?
You are just echoing a lot of hearsay and rumours.

We gave our own stories about our history and origin in Africa why should we throw them away and embrace Jewish stories that have nothing to do with us? Is that not foolishness?

What if I told you, everything they taught about man's history is a LIE?

The birth place of Jesus, all the locations are real. Most Jews till today still hold Jesus as a great prophet but never the Son of God. Jesus Christ is real. They also hold the history of the death/executions of Jesus apostles for crime of blasphemies.

MrPRevailer:



What if I told you, everything they taught about man's history is a LIE?

The birth place of Jesus, all the locations are real. Most Jews till today still hold Jesus as a great prophet but never the Son of God. Jesus Christ is real. They also hold the history of the death/executions of Jesus apostles for crime of blasphemies.

You are free to tell me any rubbish your imagination can conjure and I am equally free to put it in the trash where it belongs

sonmvayina:


Lol...that's where new souls are created....I am not talking about sex..your last statement contradict your point.

How is it a contradiction?
The woman's womb forms the babies, not without the sperm.

MrPRevailer:


How is it a contradiction?
The woman's womb forms the babies, not without the sperm.

We are Gods...God is a spirit right?..so we are spirits dwelling within a body made from dust..the purpose is to eneble us have an "earthly experience"..at death the spirit returns back to the source(God )and the body returns to the Earth from where it was taken..read Ecclesiastes 12:7 or Psalm 104:29-31

The spirit is contained within the sperm while the woman eggs forms the body..

sonmvayina:


So which part of the Bible have you read..?..have you read the entire book of job?

Yeah i have
Over and over

odinson1:


Yeah i have
Over and over

What do you understand about it?

sonmvayina:


What do you understand about it?

That it was just a story written by a primitive goat herder millennial ago

0m0nnakoda:
You are free to tell me any rubbish your imagination can conjure and I am equally free to put it in the trash where it belongs

What imaginations. Are you weary because I told you Bible is backed with solid history?

Or that what you were taught as Man's history (Evolution) is a lie?
Where are the humanoid giants and alien races in the Evolution theory which teaches that humanity evolved from plaktons and ameobas?
The Smithsonian Institute took away thousands of evidences. And only recent times admitted to it's crime against humanity. Yes, the same institute that has pushed Evolution as truth for more than a century.

odinson1:


That it was just a story written by a primitive goat herder millennial ago

Lol...yeah,might be..but did you learn anything from it ?

MrPRevailer:


What imaginations. Are you weary because I told you Bible is backed with solid history?

Or that what you were taught as Man's history (Evolution) is a lie?
Where are the humanoid giants and alien races in the Evolution theory which teaches that humanity evolved from plaktons and ameobas?
The Smithsonian Institute took away thousands of evidences. And only recent times admitted to it's crime against humanity. Yes, the same institute that has pushed Evolution as truth for more than a century.

Did you swallow a recording.?

What the hell are you talking about?

odinson1:


YOU DON'T SEE AIR YET YOU DON'T DOUBT IT...
So I got a PM yesterday and this fellow sought to know how I can be so foolish to not believe in the existence of God. He said to me, "That I can't see air doesn't in any way void its existence.... Trying to understand God before believing his existences will fry your brain....so these guys only retire to their belief as they find it impossible to comprehend God."
I promised to answer him in a comment on this thread and here it is:
You can't "SEE" air, but you can observe it. There are many many tests to observe air. Scientists have observed air so well, they even know its make-up.
Evidence doesn't mean "SEE". It means "SENSE" by any means replicable: human senses or even with the help of technology.
Now no one alive and healthy today has ever SENSED God in a universally replicable manner.
For there to be a goat in a well, it's not enough for Olamide alone to see/hear it. He should also be able to demonstrate to Chidinma by telling him what steps he took to sense the goat, so that Chindinma can sense it himself and also show Audu.
If you are the only one who can sense the presence of this goat, then it's most likely all in your head (hallucination).
If you believe something so so so much and you managed to convince yourself it's there, guess what, your brain starts to see it in everything. But, my friend, it's still all in your head (delusion).
What religion has managed to do is get a whole lot of people deluded. They start seeing god in everything - they woke up today (must be god). Almost got hit by a car (God saved). Passed exam (God blessed). Didn't pass exam (God testing)... This is mass delusion my brother.

Hmmmmmmmm that's is thoughtful of you Sir!

It's not about seeing God facialy but evidence of his existence as it affects the human society positively, right?

So let's go;

God is LOVE according to the Bible {1John 4:8} so when all other people finds it so difficult to come together as one family, his own worshipers will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {John 17:20-23} Jehovah's Witnesses are evidence of this fact!

None of them carry weapons for any reason whatsoever, even if it means dying because they want to prove that disputes can't be finally resolved through Violence! {Matthew 26:52}
So no military or paramilitary man is in their midst!

They strongly believe in the existence of God to guide them in life so they don't practice Politics (devils dirty game) yet they have the most peaceful Organization on this planet! Isaiah 2:2-4

They believe there must be discipline if we want well organized and orderly arrangement, so they separated themselves from people who don't want to be controlled, that's why they're different in any society you find them! 2Corinthians 6:14-16

When 80% of marriages end up in divorce Jehovah's Witnesses stick to their marriage vows no matter the situation or what others say! Mark 10:9

When juvenile delinquencies is everywhere Jehovah's Witnesses have the most peace loving youths throughout the earth! Romans 12:18; James 3:7

When people oppress their neighbours and pretend as if they don't have any business with people around them, Jehovah's Witnesses takes the pain during rain and sunshine to go visit people in their neighbourhood to make new friends! Matthew 10:3-11

When all other people put there trust (believe) in money, Jehovah's Witnesses fully believe in their God! Luke 13:16

If you agree with them they'll make you a brother {Matthew 12:46-49} but if you disagree with them they'll find common grounds to see how they can relate with you as well meaning neighbours! Mark 12:31

So with all of these happening in my own eyes and i have witnessed it several times, getting to strange lands only to be embraced and treated like i'm home simply because i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses {John 13:34-35;17:20-23} i need no further evidence to be convinced that their God "JEHOVAH" is real! Deuteronomy 6:4

That's why i asked your friend if he has had a selfie with air, of course he can't doubt the existence of air after seeing all it's BENEFITS, Just as i can't easily forget all the benefits of being one of God's own people!

Thanks!

Maximus69:


Hmmmmmmmm that's is thoughtful of you Sir!

It's not about seeing God facialy but evidence of his existence as it affects the human society positively, right?

So let's go;

God is LOVE according to the Bible {1John 4:8} so when all other people finds it so difficult to come together as one family, his own worshipers will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {John 17:20-23} Jehovah's Witnesses are evidence of this fact!

None of them carry weapons for any reason whatsoever, even if it means dying because they want to prove that disputes can't be finally resolved through Violence! {Matthew 26:52}
So no military or paramilitary man is in their midst!

They strongly believe in the existence of God to guide them in life so they don't practice Politics (devils dirty game) yet they have the most peaceful Organization on this planet! Isaiah 2:2-4

They believe there must be discipline if we want well organized and orderly arrangement, so they separated themselves from people who don't want to be controlled, that's why they're different in any society you find them! 2Corinthians 6:14-16

When 80% of marriages end up in divorce Jehovah's Witnesses stick to their marriage vows no matter the situation or what others say! Mark 10:9

When juvenile delinquencies is everywhere Jehovah's Witnesses have the most peace loving youths throughout the earth! Romans 12:18; James 3:7

When people oppress their neighbours and pretend as if they don't have any business with people around them, Jehovah's Witnesses takes the pain during rain and sunshine to go visit people in their neighbourhood to make new friends! Matthew 10:3-11

When all other people put there trust (believe) in money, Jehovah's Witnesses fully believe in their God! Luke 13:16

If you agree with them they'll make you a brother {Matthew 12:46-49} but if you disagree with them they'll find common grounds to see how they can relate with you as well meaning neighbours! Mark 12:31

So with all of these happening in my own eyes and i have witnessed it several times, getting to strange lands only to be embraced and treated like i'm home simply because i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses {John 13:34-35;17:20-23} i need no further evidence to be convinced that their God "JEHOVAH" is real! Deuteronomy 6:4

That's why i asked your friend if he has had a selfie with air, of course he can't doubt the existence of air after seeing all it's BENEFITS, Just as i can't easily forget all the benefits of being one of God's own people!

Thanks!

Can you demonstrate " God " without referencing your Bible?

If you want to reference your bible then we must interrogate its origin. Who wrote it and how do we know this?
People believed they would be able to fly rockets to the moon they did not demonstrate that by quoting the bible

Many believe the bible is fiction can you disprove that
There are all kinds of religious claims why is the bible more reliable?

0m0nnakoda:


Can you demonstrate " God " without referencing your Bible?

If you want to reference your bible then we must interrogate its origin. Who wrote it and how do we know this?
People believed they would be able to fly rockets to the moon they did not demonstrate that by quoting the bible

Many believe the bible is fiction can you disprove that
There are all kinds of religious claims why is the bible more reliable?

I never quoted the Bible for you so forget about the Bible or it's origin.

I did for other guy to see the evidence of the invisible spirit that's doing wonders in the midst of those who trust (believe) him!

You've not answered my question Have you ever seen air, perhaps taken a selfie with air?
So who taught you that air exists?

And please don't forget to tell me the history or biography of your teacher who taught you air exists!

Maximus69:


I never quoted the Bible for you so forget about the Bible or it's origin.

I did for other guy to see the evidence of the invisible spirit that's doing wonders in the midst of those who trust (believe) him!

You've not answered my question Have you ever seen air, perhaps taken a selfie with air?
So who taught you that air exists?

And please don't forget to tell me the history or biography of your teacher who taught you air exists!

Your questions are foolish and not worth a response.

0m0nnakoda:

Your questions are foolish and not worth a response.

Perhaps yours are wise!

After pointing to the achievements of God's people in this crooked generation, you're still demanding for a demonstration?

Well according to a first century writer

FAITH is the assured expectation of things hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld!

If you believe in air due to it's effect, well you must be the wisest intellectual on this planet demanding for a demonstration of what you and everyone around you can feel!

Maximus69:


Perhaps yours are wise!

After pointing to the achievements of God's people in this crooked generation, you're still demanding for a demonstration?

Well according to a first century writer

FAITH is the assured expectation of things hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld!

If you believe in air due to it's effect, well you must be the wisest intellectual on this planet demanding for a demonstration of what you and everyone around you can feel!

I never claimed there is air. There is no onus on me to prove there is air.

Those who claim there is a God have a responsibility to prove it

You may invite Patience Jonathan to help you

0m0nnakoda:

I never claimed there is air. There is no onus on me to prove there is air.

Those who claim there is a God have a responsibility to prove it

Great!

So let me assist you there, your heart and lungs will stop functioning without air!

Your cooking gas will not light a fire without air!

Well for your information birds, butterflies and other flying creatures are able to move without being dragged to the earth surface because of air!

Try asking for more information about the existence of air!

Maximus69:


Great!

So let me assist you there, your heart and lungs will stop functioning without air!

Your cooking gas will not light a fire without air!

Well for your information birds, butterflies and other flying creatures are able to move without being dragged to the earth surface because of air!

Try asking for more information about the existence of air!

We are not talking about that why not bring in football, Suya or coronavirus

Can you stop derailing and pull your thoughts together

0m0nnakoda:

We are not talking about that why not bring in football, Suya or coronavirus

Can you stop derailing and pull your thoughts together

I simply explained that heaven is real and it's the home of higher intelligent powerful unseen beings (spirits).

But you asked "what is spirit"

That's what led us to the air discussion remember?

And about grammar, it's neither mine nor yours, it's just a borrowed means of communication between two persons from different ethnic group and nothing more!

The Sky you see is a Canopy. The Heavens are above the Sky. God lives in GodSphere.

@OmOnnakoda!

All you need is use your brains to figure out what is happening around you my friend.

Depending on other people's brains is detrimental to your mental health.

For instance you quoted a fellowman (Stephen Hawkins) and expect everyone around you to subscribe to what that one resolved in his own heart.

You're now trying to make others look stupid only to end up sounding stupid yourself!

Imagine after i've presented EVIDENCE of the presence of intellect spirit beings controlling humans to do what seems impossible in our society, you degraded so low saying "i did not say air exists" just to argue in support of Stephen Hawkins write-up, how does that sound to you?

Stephen Hawking was stupid

StandardJohn:
Heaven or hell, God or no God, just do good. Thats my own. Have a blessed day.

What's good

This doesn't make any sense, the computer is just a machine but doesn't seem to have self awareness or a kind of understanding and consciousness. lt just processes things from CPU and performs instructions or data given to it.
The human brain is exactly like the computer, but humans do not only have brains as it seems, they also have a kind of self awareness not present in computers, animals come close in that aspect, but humans are so distinct in this, that I do not think evolution all by itself can account for that. There must be something still mysterious about the human mind, that makes it function like a computer but also beyond that.

Daejoyoung:
This doesn't make any sense, the computer is just a machine but doesn't seem to have self awareness or a kind of understanding and consciousness. lt just processes things from CPU and performs instructions or data given to it.
The human brain is exactly like the computer, but humans do not only have brains as it seems, they also have a kind of self awareness not present in computers, animals come close in that aspect, but humans are so distinct in this, that I do not think evolution all by itself can account for that. There must be something still mysterious about the human mind, that makes it function like a computer but also beyond that.

What has awareness got to do with heaven
You need to provide a working definition of what you mean by awareness so we can debate that further

The fact humans have it whatever it means does not prove there is heaven.

omonnakoda:

What has awareness got to do with heaven
You need to provide a working definition of what you mean by awareness so we can debate that further

The fact humans have it whatever it means does not prove there is heaven.

I think you just read the headline alone, read the article. I am responding to the reason he gave in the article. His premise is weak.

Daejoyoung:
the computer is just a machine

Daejoyoung:
The human brain is exactly like the computer,

Oh dear, whilst your assertion about the human brain is entirely unevidenced, it's pretty idiotic to contradict your own assertion, in the same post you made it.

Daejoyoung:
I do not think evolution all by itself can account for that.

Who cares what you think, are you remotely qualified to make sweeping assertions about a scientific theory? Have you publish any research to support your assertion in a worthy peer reviewed journal? You don't need to answer, as the answer is self evidently no.

Daejoyoung:
There must be something still mysterious about the human mind, that makes it function like a computer but also beyond that.

You are just trying to use a god of the gaps polemic. Species evolution through natural selection is an observed scientific fact, that is supported by ALL the objective evidence. You don't get to just add unevidenced assertions to a scientific theory based on gaps in our knowledge, and claiming unexplained magic is involved. Occam's razor applies.

As a matter of fact, your starting point should be to first demonstrate objective evidence for a deity before you are qualified to attempt this strawman non-sequitur non-argument you're using to try and evade the burden of proof your belief in a deity incurs.

Tamaratonye5:


Oh dear, whilst your assertion about the human brain is entirely unevidenced, it's pretty idiotic to contradict your own assertion, in the same post you made it.


Who cares what you think, are you remotely qualified to make sweeping assertions about a scientific theory? Have you publish any research to support your assertion in a worthy peer reviewed journal? You don't need to answer, as the answer is self evidently no.


You are just trying to use a god of the gaps polemic. Species evolution through natural selection is an observed scientific fact, that is supported by ALL the objective evidence. You don't get to just add unevidenced assertions to a scientific theory based on gaps in our knowledge, and claiming unexplained magic is involved. Occam's razor applies.

As a matter of fact, your starting point should be to first demonstrate objective evidence for a deity before you are qualified to attempt this strawman non-sequitur non-argument you're using to try and evade the burden of proof your belief in a deity incurs.

The human brain is an advanced computer software, but humans are more than just living brains.

As to your second point, if I publish a research paper on it, or get a theist who has published a research paper on it, would you believe it then?

oh my, I never used any God of the gaps polemic. I didn't even mention God in my reply, so why make unnecessary fallacies?

I only made an assertion, which is self evident, humans are more complex than working machines like computers. Humans do not have only the brain( which is an advanced computer software) but it also seems there is something extraordinary about humans.

Daejoyoung:

The human brain is an advanced computer software, but humans are more than just living brains.

As to your second point, if I publish a research paper on it, or get a theist who has published a research paper on it, would you believe it then?

oh my, I never used any God of the gaps polemic. I didn't even mention God in my reply, so why make unnecessary fallacies?

I only made an assertion, which is self evident, humans are more complex than working machines like computers. Humans do not have only the brain( which is an advanced computer software) but it also seems there is something extraordinary about humans.

Seems ?

And that is to?


The same brain?

It seems to humans that there is something extraordinary about them?

Define extraordinary please?

omonnakoda:


Seems ?

And that is to?


The same brain?

It seems to humans that there is something extraordinary about them?

Define extraordinary please?

There is something extraordinary about you, you have a spark of mind not present in animals or just computer machines, or am I wrong?

Daejoyoung:

There is something extraordinary about you, you have a spark of mind not present in animals or just computer machines, or am I wrong?

I don't know what you mean by extraordinary
So if there is something extraordinary then that proves there is God?