mannyiyke:
You lack facts. Didn't you see that it's oral pathologists that head that oral pathology laboratory of the University of Port Harcourt Teaching Hospital, while a medical laboratory scientist serves as a technologist there? Go to teaching hospitals and ask them who are the main (clinical) heads of medical laboratory science departments there. It's even the medical laboratory scientists that will show you the medical doctors who are the heads. A medical laboratory scientist is just a technical head.

Laboratory medicine (or pathology specifically) supersedes medical laboratory science. Histopathology, haematology, chemical pathology, clinical microbiology and immunology are all branches of pathology or laboratory medicine, not medical laboratory science.


Medical laboratory scientists are technologists. That's why their head is called a technical head, while medical doctors are the clinical heads. They used to bear medical laboratory technologists before.

All the departments you mentioned are under medical laboratory Science, https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_laboratory_scientist&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiuksDRhYjqAhVlMewKHcR0CRMQFjAAegQIDRAB&usg=AOvVaw0mvoU5cSFOwPZ7yvWoma5d, they are not technologist or technicians, because they already have one, MLT, with is a diploma course. Check each of the each of the various laboratory, be it chem. Path, histo. Etc and find out 90% of them are headed by a Scientists. I think the law was passed for them, 2015

Check federal neuro-psychiatric hospitals, Yaba, Lagos.https://www.fnphyaba.gov.ng/index.php/directorate/clinical/laboratory

Check Dr. O.M. Akinosun, of UCH, clinical HOD.2017 till date.

Medical Scientists are not technologist, and are not working for any body, but the hospital

mannyiyke:
They don't regulate all the laboratories. I knew the information before you sent it. Pathology laboratories are not the same as medical laboratory science laboratories. That has been the bone of contention for long. They're not pathologists.

The dental department didn't treat pathology cases then; they would refer them to states or hospitals that have oral pathology. After all, general hospitals in Lagos do refer people to LUTH, whether it's medical or dental case.

general pathology lab has been divided in to 5 labs. Unless if you are talking about the oral pathology laboratories. I modified my comments though

mannyiyke:
They don't regulate all the laboratories. I knew the information before you sent it. Pathology laboratories are not the same as medical laboratory science laboratories. That has been the bone of contention for long. They're not pathologists.

The dental department didn't treat pathology cases then; they would refer them to states or hospitals that have oral pathology. After all, general hospitals in Lagos do refer people to LUTH, whether it's medical or dental case.

Pathology laboratory have been divided into 5 main laboratories, unless you are talking about the oral pathology labs, which is a specialized histopathology lab, and some hospital like UCH named their histopathology labs, Pathology laboratory.

They won't send it somewhere else if they have the histopathology laboratory. Histopathologists can do it. My personal experience, we took an oral biopsy of a friend to histopathology lab, years ago.

Snowale:
In the whole UK, dentist are not called Doctors. You can search about it, some countries call dentists doctors, while others does not(only medical doctors and PhDs are referred to doctors).

Search B.Dent at Trinity college Dublin, you think it's all universities and countries in the world that accept D.Dent or DDS, many schools still offer B.Dent and not D.Dent, some other use B.Dsc. B.Dsc. search bachelor of dental Science or dental health science at University of Griffith check out Laura Waldie, and bachelor in dental Science in the university of Queensland., https://www.wits.ac.za/course-finder/undergraduate/health/dental-science/, that's university of witwatersrand, Johannesburg, chec out about their BDsc, eventhough Pharmacy and Dentistry hasn't been accepted in all university, soon it would be like vet and medicine. Pharm.D is a new department and it will take years for the all schools around the globe to follow the trend, D.Dent or DDS is very old, and many schools and have countries accepted it, but not totally all, I also believe every universities will also follow the trend soon. It's still a 5 years course in some schools from the strart just like Pharmacy. Optometry is also a 5 years course in many countries also, but as time goes on every countries world follow the trend.

Dentistry will always be a branch of medicine and will never be as broad as medicine and pharmacy. Everything you do must be related to a small portion of the body. You have just 5 main sub-departments, because you are a department yourselves. Any other sub-departments apart from this 5 are just micro departments that is more on paper than in real life.

And the last thing, if you think only human medicine graduates can become a medical director of an health care everywhere in the world because it's common in Nigeria, then you are not current. Pharm.D is a new program, and very soon, we would fight for CMD, now there are commissioner of health that are not medical doctors, abroad it's very common. With the new pharm.D and OD, be expecting good things coming from JOHESU, we will fight for more power. Check David Pryor of Atens-Limestone hospital, who is a Pharmacist, Check Stephanie Bloom of Chilton medical care and atlantic health system, Amy Price, A nurse, of Coosa valley medical center who is the Second in command, the CPO and CNO, the first in command is the CEO, Glenn C. Sisk who isn't a medical doctor. If you want me to continue I can, Abroad Pharmacist, optometrist, Nurses and other health care professionals are becoming medical director of hospitals and clinics. You think every country is like Nigeria, I believe Nigeria is changing, gradually all this things would change.

You don't get it, do you? Whether it's DMD, DDS, BDS, B.Dent., BDSc, they're all dental surgeons.
I told you earlier, in the UK, dental surgeons or surgeons in general don't use the Dr. title, rather the use Mr, Mrs, or Ms to their name.
Only physicians in the UK do use the Dr. title, and when they specialize, they drop the Dr. title and start using Mr, Mrs, or Ms.
So, when ever you are in the UK and your doctor gets referred to as a Mr, just know that you are in the best of hands because he is a specialist.
You speak of broadness, doesn't it occur to you that dentistry was broad enough to exist on it's own despite being a branch? Think about it. And you say "it only looks good on paper", you have forgotten (or rather, refuse to acknowledge) the tremendous impact that dentistry has made in people's life.
Go through the link yourself. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgeon
For the fact that I am not obligated to prove anything to you, I would leave you to your ignorance.

Snowale:
Pathology laboratory have been divided into 5 main laboratories, unless you are talking about the oral pathology labs, which is a specialized histopathology lab, and some hospital like UCH named their histopathology labs, Pathology laboratory.

They won't send it somewhere else if they have the histopathology laboratory. Histopathologists can do it. My personal experience, we took an oral biopsy of a friend to histopathology lab, years ago.

They do send it somewhere else to an oral pathology laboratory even if there's a general histopathology laboratory there, except an oral pathologist works in that general histopathology laboratory too. You don't actually know who is who in that general histopathology laboratory, yet you believed gullibly that it's general pathologists that carry out all the tests there. Until now, you never knew that oral pathology existed in Nigeria. So, you're wrong to presume that all the doctors in the general histopathology laboratory are all medical doctors. This is fallacious. Besides, dentists prefer having oral pathologists read and interpret oral biopsy samples, because they want to get the accurate result and offer the best treatment.

You took an oral biopsy of a friend to a histopathology laboratory? Which state did that happen? In which hospital was that diagnosis made? Was it a dentist that ordered for the investigation? What was the provisional diagnosis? What was the definitive diagnosis? I need more explanations and evidence.

Oral pathologists are histopathologists too. They all work on biopsied tissues. That's why the word "histo" is attached to that branch of pathology. Only two histopathologists work on the oral, maxillofacial and ENT regions. They're oral pathologists and head and neck pathologists. I'm not for or against either of them. My interest is to set the record straight.

Head and neck pathologists' focus is primarily on the ENT region. Although the functions of both of them are somewhow interrelated, however, they're also different. I even mentioned it earlier. In medicine, two or three specialties may be interrelated. Moreover, both of them passed through the same National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria and West African Postgraduate Medical College. Even an oral pathologist, by virtue of having rotated in general pathology during residency, can also read and interpret ENT slides. So, no general pathologist who subspecialized in other parts of the body (except in ENT), receives oral biopsy samples. Despite that, dentists prefer that oral pathologists read and interpret oral biopsy slides because he or she is more experienced in the oral and maxillofacial region and work there everyday. That's the importance of specialization and subspecialization in medicine.

Besides, our earlier argument was based on your erroneous comment that dentists cannot be pathologists too, especially in Nigeria, that it's on paper and not real, and that oral samples are wholly sent to general pathologists, and that I should google it. You later wrote that you didn't say that. Well, the truth of the matter is that numerous oral pathologists exist in Africa, not just Nigeria alone.

Since you know that pathology is divided into 5 main laboratories, then you should have known that medical laboratory science is not pathology (laboratory medicine). Name those five departments. Medical laboratory scientists are technologists to pathologists. From time immemorial, no medical laboratory science existed. It was doctors who created medical laboratory science, wrote its curriculum and started training medical laboratory scientists, so as to relieve stress.

Snowale:
general pathology lab has been divided in to 5 labs. Unless if you are talking about the oral pathology laboratories. I modified my comments though

Use of the word "general pathology" here means general histopathology or morbid anatomy or anatomic pathology. That general pathology you meant is simply called pathology, and general pathology or anatomic pathology specifically, is one of its branches (i.e. one of the branches of pathology).

Snowale:


All the departments you mentioned are under medical laboratory Science, https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_laboratory_scientist&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiuksDRhYjqAhVlMewKHcR0CRMQFjAAegQIDRAB&usg=AOvVaw0mvoU5cSFOwPZ7yvWoma5d, they are not technologist or technicians, because they already have one, MLT, with is a diploma course. Check each of the each of the various laboratory, be it chem. Path, histo. Etc and find out 90% of them are headed by a Scientists. I think the law was passed for them, 2015

Check federal neuro-psychiatric hospitals, Yaba, Lagos.https://www.fnphyaba.gov.ng/index.php/directorate/clinical/laboratory

Check Dr. O.M. Akinosun, of UCH, clinical HOD.2017 till date.

Medical Scientists are not technologist, and are not working for any body, but the hospital

They're branches of pathology, of which medical laboratory science was created to help those pathologists in each of those branches of pathology. Medical laboratory scientists are technologists to pathologists. They used to be called technologists until the name was modified to medical laboratory science, while the diploma course is still called medical laboratory technology.

Before, the highest qualification attained by medical laboratory scientists (or medical laboratory technologists then) was diploma (Higher National Diploma - HND), and that's why they bore medical laboratory technologists then. So, it can still be called medical laboratory technology, because like Nigerian pharmacists, they changed the name without improving their education.

Abroad some people still call them medical laboratory technologists. The diploma ones are now called medical laboratory technicians. They head those units as technical heads. That shows they're still technologists. You're not an insider. So, you lack this information.

Snowale:




Check Dr. O.M. Akinosun, of UCH, clinical HOD.2017 till date.

Akinosun is not a medical laboratory scientist. He's a medical doctor; he's a consultant chemical pathologist. Stop spreading fake information like wildfire here.

By this, you've even confirmed on your own that it's medical doctors that are the main (clinical) heads of medical laboratory science department in Nigeria.

Snowale:




Check Dr. O.M. Akinosun, of UCH, clinical HOD.2017 till date.

See the evidence that shows that Dr O.M. Akinosun is a medical doctor. He's not a medical laboratory scientist. I write with facts.

mannyiyke:
You lack facts. Didn't you see that it's oral pathologists that head that oral pathology laboratory of the University of Port Harcourt Teaching Hospital, while a medical laboratory scientist serves as a technologist there? Go to teaching hospitals and ask them who are the main (clinical) heads of medical laboratory science departments there. It's even the medical laboratory scientists that will show you the medical doctors who are the heads. A medical laboratory scientist is just a technical head.

Laboratory medicine (or pathology specifically) supersedes medical laboratory science. Histopathology, haematology, chemical pathology, clinical microbiology and immunology are all branches of pathology or laboratory medicine, not medical laboratory science.


Medical laboratory scientists are technologists. That's why their head is called a technical head, while medical doctors are the clinical heads. They used to bear medical laboratory technologists before.

In as Much as i understand your point,MLS is still part of Laboratory Medicine/Pathology.
MLS is coming from the Technical Angle while Doctors Come from the Clincal Angle.
I know because i have Seen it.
Nothing Supersedes the other. I am Judging from international Practice.
Remember in the UK both pass through Royal college of Pathology or the US with ASCP.
Forget about the politics in Nigeria.

In the US, PhD Medical Laboratory Scientist and Pathologist is at Par,but when Clincal skill is Needed,the Pathologist should take over especially in the Hospital Settings.i give it to them.
UNIZIK Teaching Hospital have MLSt as their HOD....So its not Always the Pathologist that are HODs of Pathology Lab.
With time everything will Normalize.
I am not Against Doctors and Never will be.
If i am interested in being Called a "doctor" i would have changed to Dentistry

Let's stop this Comparison

mannyiyke:
They're branches of pathology, of which medical laboratory science was created to help those pathologists in each of those branches of pathology. Medical laboratory scientists are technologists to pathologists. They used to be called technologists until the name was modified to medical laboratory science, while the diploma course is still called medical laboratory technology.

Before, the highest qualification attained by medical laboratory scientists (or medical laboratory technologists then) was diploma (Higher National Diploma - HND), and that's why they bore medical laboratory technologists then. So, it can still be called medical laboratory technology, because like Nigerian pharmacists, they changed the name without improving their education.

Abroad some people still call them medical laboratory technologists. The diploma ones are now called medical laboratory technicians. They head those units as technical heads. That shows they're still technologists. You're not an insider. So, you lack this information.

What you said is the truth except the Fact that there was no Improvement in Education and the curriculum.
Lets not start our own...
You know MLS Is always the Doctor's Headache

mannyiyke:
I didn't say that general pathologists don't read and interpret oral biopsy slides. I said that they're not good at it. They're mainly trained to read and interpret biopsy samples from other parts of the body. However, there are general pathologists who subspecialized as head and neck pathologists. But in the strict sense, oral pathologists are the main pathologists duly qualified to read and interpret oral biopsy slides, because he or she sees numerous oral biopsy samples more than general pathologists, and experience is the best teacher.

If a general pathologist does the work of an oral pathologist, why then did the Nigerian Army sponsor a dentist who is a lieutenant colonel to do a residency in oral pathology at UNTH Enugu? Stop saying what you're not sure of. Medicine needs accuracy, not guess work. That's why oral pathologists are trained to read and interpret oral biopsy slides, so as to avoid incorrect diagnoses.

Every secondary healthcare facility in Nigeria has a dental clinic. Let me ask you: have you seen neurosurgery, neurology, ophthalmology, obstetrics and gynaecology, paediatrics, urology, etc in primary tier government hospitals in Nigeria? They don't have those departments there. It's just a general medical practitioner that works there, and refers difficult cases to secondary and tertiary tier hospitals. Even neurology, neurosurgery, urology, and most times Opthalmology departments are not found in secondary tier hospitals. They're mainly domiciled in tertiary tier hospitals. On the contrary, all the general hospitals in Nigeria (which are secondary tier government hospitals) have dental clinics. It's then advanced in tertiary tier hospitals.

General pathologists are seriously involved in other parts of the body, and are not conversant with the oral and maxillofacial region. They do autopsy, receive samples from paediatrics, urology, O and G, neurosurgery, neurology, general surgery etc. So, it's not even wise to allow them to touch the oral region, to avoid confusion and misdiagnosis.

It's still the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria and the West African Medical College which regulate postgraduate medical education, that thought it wise to have both of them. So, you don't know better than they do.

A medical laboratory scientist is not a pathologist, and therefore, he or she cannot own a pathology lab. And no medical laboratory scientist knows how to read and interpret biopsy slides or even interpret radiographs. Making histopathology laboratory test diagnosis is much more than that. The pathologist has to combine medical history, radiographs, etc, with the reading and interpretation of biopsy slides. These guide him or her to deliver an accurate diagnosis. So, it's ignorant of you to think that. They're only employed as technologists in pathology laboratories.

I believe you are talking in the Nigerian Context because in the UK MLSt Read slides(Those with Advance Training oh).

Snowale:

Firstly, I never said medical laboratory Science, I sent you the link, check it yourself.http://web.mlscn.gov.ng/index.php/mlscn-mandate/, they regulates all medical laboratories.

Just the 2012, the consultant pathologist if your acclaoacc became 2, just 2. And in 2015, the residency program of the hospital started with a few dentists. Who have been doing the work before? General pathologist, and I will still say it again, in many hospitals, general pathologists does the job.

The law was passed 2015, all pathology laboratories, should be headed by a medical laboratory Scientists. So anything 2016 and below you will find out 90% of all labs in all hospitals are headed by a medical laboratory Scientists.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://ng.linkedin.com/in/onengiyeofori-ibama-b418a649&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwil7a7kgIjqAhXEzKQKHeoGABkQFjAEegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0tWXKwpWZJ87nBo9oe8_zZ
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://ng.linkedin.com/in/maudlyn-imoh-90a32b160&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwil7a7kgIjqAhXEzKQKHeoGABkQFjAFegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw0VxQ85yXar1h8TWAwWExlv

https://ni.linkedin.com/in/henry-aisagbonhi-bmls-mph-ghpcert-56176382

I sent you link of Uduth to check yourself if they have one, please if you can't give evidence for your claim, forget it. I'm not interested with what's in your head, I'm interested with what really happens

Which evidence again other than UDUTH has a dental and maxillofacial department in which oral pathology is domiciled, and NUC has approved that dentistry will commence there, after accreditation of facilities there? If you need the link where the VC of UDUSOK said it, I can send it to you.

Those laboratory scientists you mentioned are heads in those private and primary care hospitals, because consultant pathologists don't work there. Pathologists work in teaching hospitals and federal medical centres.

There's a state of the art dental hospital built by Amaechi in Port Harcourt. Before then, samples might have been sent there. Google it.

mannyiyke:
On the contrary, you're the illiterate. 98 percent of Nigerian pharmacists cannot produce a drug. Pathology is not a year course. After pathology lectures, medical students will do ward rounds and put it into practice. They'll do postings. They continue to do that till graduation. Even pharmacology is not a one-year course. The medical students do postings too in pharmacology, and put it into practice throughout their clinical years and beyond. But a pharmacist doesn't have a patient contact to really put pharmacology into practice, yet you want to claim that it's your course and that you know more about it. You're funny.

You just dey yarn okoto.
Saying Nigerian pharmacists cannot produce drugs is like saying Nigerian doctors cannot perform surgery. do you even think before you make up a statement? show me any pharmaceutical industry in Nigeria where Nigerian trained pharmacists don't produce drug, let me bust your lie.
are you even a doctor? medical students do posting in pharmacology, where?? is it not only 400l they do Pharm? baba you just dey peddle lies all over your post to prove cheap points.
so a pharmacist doesn't have a patient contact to practice the pharmacology they learn so those ones that work with patients in hospitals and community pharmacies, na biology them dey practice in patients? the ones in pharma industries use the knowledge of agric?
baba go and sleep, you just dey talk rubbish up and down.
you claim you studied medicine, you claim you studied dentistry, yen yen yen.

arinzos:

In as Much as i understand your point,MLS is still part of Laboratory Medicine/Pathology.
MLS is coming from the Technical Angle while Doctors Come from the Clincal Angle.
I know because i have Seen it.
Nothing Supersedes the other. I am Judging from international Practice.
Remember in the UK both pass through Royal college of Pathology or the US with ASCP.
Forget about the politics in Nigeria.

In the US, PhD Medical Laboratory Scientist and Pathologist is at Par,but when Clincal skill is Needed,the Pathologist should take over especially in the Hospital Settings.i give it to them.
UNIZIK Teaching Hospital have MLSt as their HOD....So its not Always the Pathologist that are HODs of Pathology Lab.
With time everything will Normalize.
I am not Against Doctors and Never will be.
If i am interested in being Called a "doctor" i would have changed to Dentistry

Let's stop this Comparison

You're the only person that said it the way it is. It's not others who tried to lie. However, there are some exceptions to what you said. In NAUTH, Nnewi you mentioned, doctors are still the clinical heads, while Medical laboratory scientists are the technical heads. I did my master's in the medical microbiology and parasitology department of NAUTH. I know Prof. Akujobi, Prof. F.E. Emele, Prof. Nneka Agbakoba and one other woman professor in Medical laboratory science at Okofia, Nnewi. They all taught me. Akujobi is the only medical doctor among them, and she's a consultant clinical microbiologist. During that time, she was the clinical head, while a medical laboratory scientist was the technical head.

As I have said earlier, I'm a medical student in a state university. Besides, you may not be interested in bearing doctor, but medical laboratory scientists have been agitating for MLSC.D. One thing I like about you is that you said the truth. Medical laboratory science is good. I even wanted to do AIMLS (that 2-year conversion programme for graduates of biological sciences) after my NYSC, but due to the problem in Jos then, I refused to do it. Jos and Ahmadu Bello University Teaching Hospital did the programme last, before MLSCN stopped it. Four of my coursemates did that 2-year programme, and are now practising medical laboratory scientists. I also did my industrial training in a medical laboratory science department of a teaching hospital, during my first degree, but I heard that MLSCN had stopped undergraduates of biological sciences from doing industrial training in medical laboratory science departments. I also saw then that the HOD through whom I sent my application said that he would send it to another person to approve. It was later that I discovered that the ones he sent it to were the CMAC and the clinical head. He was the technical head. So, I have great respect for medical laboratory science. Most of them here think I'm denigrating their professions. That's not my mission. I just wanted to speak the truth about them.

I used to denigrate dentistry until I discovered it's not what I thought. I began to praise the maxillofacial surgeons, oral pathologists, prosthodontists and consultants in oral medicine when I saw their giant strides. I saw what the maxillofacial surgeons did and are still doing to help children born with cleft lip and palate, and Nigerians suffering from ameloblastoma. I was surprised to discover that dentistry is very deep like that. Before I speak about any course, I must make in-depth findings about it. Every course is good, my brother. What I hate is distortion of facts. I'll not discuss this topic again because of you. You're good.

mannyiyke:
You're the only person that said it the way it is. It's not others who tried to lie. However, there are some exceptions to what you said. In NAUTH, Nnewi you mentioned, doctors are still the clinical heads, while Medical laboratory scientists are the technical heads. I did my master's in the medical microbiology and parasitology department of NAUTH. I know Prof. Akujobi, Prof. F.E. Emele, Prof. Nneka Agbakoba and one other woman professor in Medical laboratory science at Okofia, Nnewi. They all taught me. Akujobi is the only medical doctor among them, and she's a consultant clinical microbiologist. During that time, she was the clinical head, while a medical laboratory scientist was the technical head.

As I have said earlier, I'm a medical student in a state university. Besides, you may not be interested in bearing doctor, but medical laboratory scientists have been agitating for MLSC.D. One thing I like about you is that you said the truth. Medical laboratory science is good. I even wanted to do AIMLS (that 2-year conversion programme for graduates of biological sciences) after my NYSC, but due to the problem in Jos then, I refused to do it. Jos and Ahmadu Bello University Teaching Hospital did the programme last, before MLSCN stopped it. Four of my coursemates did that 2-year programme, and are now practising medical laboratory scientists. I also did my industrial training in a medical laboratory science department of a teaching hospital, during my first degree, but I heard that MLSCN had stopped undergraduates of biological sciences from doing industrial training in medical laboratory science departments. I also saw then that the HOD through whom I sent my application said that he would send it to another person to approve. It was later that I discovered that the ones he sent it to were the CMAC and the clinical head. He was the technical head. So, I have great respect for medical laboratory science. Most of them here think I'm denigrating their professions. That's not my mission. I just wanted to speak the truth about them.

I used to denigrate dentistry until I discovered it's not what I thought. I began to praise the maxillofacial surgeons, oral pathologists, prosthodontists and consultants in oral medicine when I saw their giant strides. I saw what the maxillofacial surgeons did and are still doing to help children born with cleft lip and palate, and Nigerians suffering from ameloblastoma. I was surprised to discover that dentistry is very deep like that. Before I speak about any course, I must make in-depth findings about it. Every course is good, my brother. What I hate is distortion of facts. I'll not discuss this topic again because of you. You're good.

We are good bro.
The truth is that i know about all these things and More before i chose MLS.
So i am not Regretting anything one bit.
I have My personal Opinon about what is Happening in the Health Sector.

I support the MLS.D Not because of the Doctor Attached to it but because of its Robust Curriculum and More.
Personally, I don't Support Consultancy for Other Health professional until they are able to get their own Postgraduate College to specially Train these Professionals.

But i cannot Clap For you when you Rubbish my Profession Okay

Most people in Medicine/Dentistry Feel others are inferior in knowledge etal.
I Told my Med Friends,if they Dust in Pathology i will take JAMB and Start Dentistry.
"I told them i will only listen to them when they come back as Pathologists" because they were not able to grab enough of it.

Students should Learn to know/Research what a Particular course could Offer.Its Limitations, Potentials,Advantages within and outside Nigeria,before Enrolling. So they don't end up Disappointed and frustrated.
We are in the Information age.....

Last Last just Make a Name for yourself, No Matter the course you Studied.

Robert129:


You just dey yarn okoto.
Saying Nigerian pharmacists cannot produce drugs is like saying Nigerian doctors cannot perform surgery. do you even think before you make up a statement? show me any pharmaceutical industry in Nigeria where Nigerian trained pharmacists don't produce drug, let me bust your lie.
are you even a doctor? medical students do posting in pharmacology, where?? is it not only 400l they do Pharm? baba you just dey peddle lies all over your post to prove cheap points.
so a pharmacist doesn't have a patient contact to practice the pharmacology they learn so those ones that work with patients in hospitals and community pharmacies, na biology them dey practice in patients? the ones in pharma industries use the knowledge of agric?
baba go and sleep, you just dey talk rubbish up and down.
you claim you studied medicine, you claim you studied dentistry, yen yen yen.

I didn't say that I completed dentistry. Stop misquoting me. I said that I was a dental student in a federal university. I had an issue. Then I changed to a state university close to me that doesn't offer dentistry and started medicine there. I'm still a medical student.

I meant clinical postings when I said that. During clinical postings, medical students look at drug prescriptions. They ask questions. When they get back home, they go back to their pharmacology textbooks or lecture materials, read them more and understand more. They do this throughout their medical career, not just in school. By this, their pharmacology knowledge increases. The reverse is the case for pharmacy students. They don't have patient-to-patient contact, and they don't get to practise regularly in real life. That's what i meant. Besides, pharmacology is both a branch of medicine and pharmacy. It's not a borrowed course. You can google it.

Most Nigerian-trained pharmacists cannot produce drugs, and most of them end up as marketers (medical sales reps). That's the simple truth. Go and verify if pharmacy students have contacts with patients. It's through clinical postings that doctor/student-to-patient contact is established.

Name hospitals in Nigeria where pharmacists have contact directly with patients. Hospital pharmacists in Nigeria stay in their pharmacies until drug prescriptions come to them. Go and make your findings and report what you saw. I didn't peddle any lie here. I just told you the simple truth. I don't want to argue about this again. You and I know that the practical aspect of pharmacy in pharmacy schools is poor. That's why the government should increase funding in education to cover that deficit. Pharmacy is good, but the way it's studied in Nigeria is not encouraging. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. End of discussion .

mannyiyke:
I didn't say that I completed dentistry. Stop misquoting me. I said that I was a dental student in a federal university. I had an issue. Then I changed to a state university close to me that doesn't offer dentistry and started medicine there. I'm still a medical student.

I meant clinical postings when I said that. During clinical postings, medical students look at drug prescriptions. They ask questions. When they get back home, they go back to their pharmacology textbooks or lecture materials, read them more and understand more. They do this throughout their medical career, not just in school. By this, their pharmacology knowledge increases. The reverse is the case for pharmacy students. They don't have patient-to-patient contact, and they don't get to practise regularly in real life. That's what i meant. Besides, pharmacology is both a branch of medicine and pharmacy. It's not a borrowed course. You can google it.

Most Nigerian-trained pharmacists cannot produce drugs, and most of them end up as marketers (medical sales reps). That's the simple truth. Go and verify if pharmacy students have contacts with patients. It's through clinical postings that doctor/student-to-patient contact is established.

Name hospitals in Nigeria where pharmacists have contact directly with patients. Hospital pharmacists in Nigeria stay in their pharmacies until drug prescriptions come to them. Go and make your findings and report what you saw. I didn't peddle any lie here. I just told you the simple truth. I don't want to argue about this again. You and I know that the practical aspect of pharmacy in pharmacy schools is poor. That's why the government should increase funding in education to cover that deficit. Pharmacy is good, but the way it's studied in Nigeria is not encouraging. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. End of discussion .

Stop lying, you're not a medical student. that one no even concern me.

How will you say pharmacists don't have patient to patient contact? who do they dispense the drugs to? they also assist doctors in wardrounds doing therapeutic drug monitoring, pharmacovigilance and advising patients which is very normal in the USA, UK and many other countries. But you doctors that are limited to hospitals will just start saying okoto. Thank God Pharm D has come to stay in Nigeria, una go hear am soon.
Pharmacy school curriculum is poor but they still cover their curriculum. and the pharmacists they produce are the one producing drugs in industries.

I repeat, mention the industries in Nigeria where foreign pharmacists produce drug, if you can't mention one with evidence then you're a big fat liar. because the industry I've been to, they are all Nigerian there from the production unit, to the quality control unit, to the sales unit.

Robert129:


Stop lying, you're not a medical student. that one no even concern me.

How will you say pharmacists don't have patient to patient contact? who do they dispense the drugs to? they also assist doctors in wardrounds doing therapeutic drug monitoring, pharmacovigilance and advising patients which is very normal in the USA, UK and many other countries. But you doctors that are limited to hospitals will just start saying okoto. Thank God Pharm D has come to stay in Nigeria, una go hear am soon.
Pharmacy school curriculum is poor but they still cover their curriculum. and the pharmacists they produce are the one producing drugs in industries.

I repeat, mention the industries in Nigeria where foreign pharmacists produce drug, if you can't mention one with evidence then you're a big fat liar. because the industry I've been to, they are all Nigerian there from the production unit, to the quality control unit, to the sales unit.

If you really want to know if I'm speaking the truth, then come to Ebonyi State University Medical School in Abakaliki, and you'll surely see me. Ebonyi State University doesn't even offer dentistry. Why should I lie that I'm a medical student if I am not? I'm not your type who defends your profession with lies. If you come to EBSU, you must surely see me. Besides, dentistry is a noble course. So, if I'm still in it, I'll be the first to say it here.

Pharmacists in Nigeria don't have pharmacist-to-patient contacts. You read my comment upside-down. Pharmacists in Nigeria stay in the hospital pharmacies, until doctors' prescriptions come to them. They dispense the drugs to patients when doctors' prescriptions come to them. Besides, most government hospitals in Nigeria don't always have most of the drugs prescribed by doctors. So, pharmacists will tell you that they don't have them and that you should go and buy them outside.

All those things you wrote like ward rounds, etc, are not done by pharmacists in Nigeria. So, it's in America that they do that.

You're ignorant if you think that doctors are limited to the hospital. Medicine is the most versatile profession in the world, unlike you pharmacists that have been turned to mere marketers in Nigeria, and cannot manufacture drugs in Nigeria. I'm ashamed of you people whenever you people mention that you're medical sales reps. What a disgrace!


Akuko! Foreign or foreign-trained pharmacists are the ones mainly in charge of the few drugs those local pharmaceutical companies do produce. Poorly trained Nigerian pharmacists are groomed by them before they can head drug production unit. Go to Emzor, Juhel, Novartis, GSK, etc and see for yourself. Stop living in fantasy. Most Nigerian-trained pharmacists are quacks. Name the industry you have been to, and give me its website. Let me verify it.

you are a myopic entity, it will take you a lifetime of 40 or more years to reach where a smart 5 years post grad pharm has reached. medicine is versatile, i laff in swahili , go work for nafdac,ndlea,customs like pharms na.... you wish,.....see this malaria and typhoid diagnosing quacks,,,,na even common EBSU you dey use make noise since ...your other inteelligent counterparts in U,I,UNIBEN,OAU,ABU and other correct schools know better ,,,,dem dey give pharms rep coz dey know the potential of being succesful is higher ,,,fact......you still dey 100 level and medicine still dey shark you so i no blame you. enter street and see the hustle doctors do just to get housemanship space not to talk of full time jobs while our pharms counterparts rake in cool cash with entrepreneurship mind but as a doctor you must be employed under someone.... so shut up KID

mannyiyke:
If you really want to know if I'm speaking the truth, then come to Ebonyi State University Medical School in Abakaliki, and you'll surely see me. Ebonyi State University doesn't even offer dentistry. Why should I lie that I'm a medical student if I am not? I'm not your type who defends your profession with lies. If you come to EBSU, you must surely see me. Besides, dentistry is a noble course. So, if I'm still in it, I'll be the first to say it here.

Pharmacists in Nigeria don't have pharmacist-to-patient contacts. You read my comment upside-down. Pharmacists in Nigeria stay in the hospital pharmacies, until doctors' prescriptions come to them. They dispense the drugs to patients when doctors' prescriptions come to them. Besides, most government hospitals in Nigeria don't always have most of the drugs prescribed by doctors. So, pharmacists will tell you that they don't have them and that you should go and buy them outside.

All those things you wrote like ward rounds, etc, are not done by pharmacists in Nigeria. So, it's in America that they do that.

You're ignorant if you think that doctors are limited to the hospital. Medicine is the most versatile profession in the world, unlike you pharmacists that have been turned to mere marketers in Nigeria, and cannot manufacture drugs in Nigeria. I'm ashamed of you people whenever you people mention that you're medical sales reps. What a disgrace!


Akuko! Foreign or foreign-trained pharmacists are the ones mainly in charge of the few drugs those local pharmaceutical companies do produce. Poorly trained Nigerian pharmacists are groomed by them before they can head drug production unit. Go to Emzor, Juhel, Novartis, GSK, etc and see for yourself. Stop living in fantasy. Most Nigerian-trained pharmacists are quacks. Name the industry you have been to, and give me its website. Let me verify it.

I EVEN SAW YOUR COMMENT WHERE YOU SAID WHO DG IS A DOCTOR
TO SHOW HOW MISINFORMED YOU HAVE BEEN

mannyiyke:
If you really want to know if I'm speaking the truth, then come to Ebonyi State University Medical School in Abakaliki, and you'll surely see me. Ebonyi State University doesn't even offer dentistry. Why should I lie that I'm a medical student if I am not? I'm not your type who defends your profession with lies. If you come to EBSU, you must surely see me. Besides, dentistry is a noble course. So, if I'm still in it, I'll be the first to say it here.

Pharmacists in Nigeria don't have pharmacist-to-patient contacts. You read my comment upside-down. Pharmacists in Nigeria stay in the hospital pharmacies, until doctors' prescriptions come to them. They dispense the drugs to patients when doctors' prescriptions come to them. Besides, most government hospitals in Nigeria don't always have most of the drugs prescribed by doctors. So, pharmacists will tell you that they don't have them and that you should go and buy them outside.

All those things you wrote like ward rounds, etc, are not done by pharmacists in Nigeria. So, it's in America that they do that.

You're ignorant if you think that doctors are limited to the hospital. Medicine is the most versatile profession in the world, unlike you pharmacists that have been turned to mere marketers in Nigeria, and cannot manufacture drugs in Nigeria. I'm ashamed of you people whenever you people mention that you're medical sales reps. What a disgrace!


Akuko! Foreign or foreign-trained pharmacists are the ones mainly in charge of the few drugs those local pharmaceutical companies do produce. Poorly trained Nigerian pharmacists are groomed by them before they can head drug production unit. Go to Emzor, Juhel, Novartis, GSK, etc and see for yourself. Stop living in fantasy. Most Nigerian-trained pharmacists are quacks. Name the industry you have been to, and give me its website. Let me verify it.

MUMU SHEY NA ONLY HOSPITAL DEY NII
COMMUNITY PHARMACY NKO
YOU NO GET SENSE ASWEAR

mannyiyke:
I didn't say that I completed dentistry. Stop misquoting me. I said that I was a dental student in a federal university. I had an issue. Then I changed to a state university close to me that doesn't offer dentistry and started medicine there. I'm still a medical student.

I meant clinical postings when I said that. During clinical postings, medical students look at drug prescriptions. They ask questions. When they get back home, they go back to their pharmacology textbooks or lecture materials, read them more and understand more. They do this throughout their medical career, not just in school. By this, their pharmacology knowledge increases. The reverse is the case for pharmacy students. They don't have patient-to-patient contact, and they don't get to practise regularly in real life. That's what i meant. Besides, pharmacology is both a branch of medicine and pharmacy. It's not a borrowed course. You can google it.

Most Nigerian-trained pharmacists cannot produce drugs, and most of them end up as marketers (medical sales reps). That's the simple truth. Go and verify if pharmacy students have contacts with patients. It's through clinical postings that doctor/student-to-patient contact is established.

Name hospitals in Nigeria where pharmacists have contact directly with patients. Hospital pharmacists in Nigeria stay in their pharmacies until drug prescriptions come to them. Go and make your findings and report what you saw. I didn't peddle any lie here. I just told you the simple truth. I don't want to argue about this again. You and I know that the practical aspect of pharmacy in pharmacy schools is poor. That's why the government should increase funding in education to cover that deficit. Pharmacy is good, but the way it's studied in Nigeria is not encouraging. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. End of discussion .

YOU ARE AN IDIOT

mannyiyke:
Explain how doctors intrude, please. To the best of my knowledge, no doctor has ever practised pharmacy, but pharmacists intrude into medicine, to the extent that they now have beds in their pharmaceutical shops where they treat patients as if they were doctors.

ILuvBreasts:
YOU ARE AN IDIOT

Don't mind that guy,it was when he mentioned Pharmacists don't go on ward rounds I knew I was agueing with an Ili informed and misinformed medical student whose highest achievements at 30+ is been in medical school

ILuvBreasts:
you are a myopic entity, it will take you a lifetime of 40 or more years to reach where a smart 5 years post grad pharm has reached. medicine is versatile, i laff in swahili , go work for nafdac,ndlea,customs like pharms na.... you wish,.....see this malaria and typhoid diagnosing quacks,,,,na even common EBSU you dey use make noise since ...your other inteelligent counterparts in U,I,UNIBEN,OAU,ABU and other correct schools know better ,,,,dem dey give pharms rep coz dey know the potential of being succesful is higher ,,,fact......you still dey 100 level and medicine still dey shark you so i no blame you. enter street and see the hustle doctors do just to get housemanship space not to talk of full time jobs while our pharms counterparts rake in cool cash with entrepreneurship mind but as a doctor you must be employed under someone.... so shut up KID

Your name says it all. You're senseless. I'm in my clinical years, slowpoke. Quack pharmacist! You people hate the truth.

I never said that the current WHO DG is a medical doctor. I said that the post is mainly for doctors. Besides, this is the first time a non-medical doctor was appointed as WHO DG.

Medicine is the same everywhere, irrespective of the school. It's the same NUC and MDCN that accredit and regulate it in EBSU and in those schools too. Even medical doctors can also head NAFDAC. Paul Orhii, a medical doctor, was its DG before. A medical doctor is ahead of pharmacists in those places you mentioned.

All those federal universities you mentioned are living in past glory. They're not better than state universities. I did my first degree in a federal university. So, I know that they're all the same. In fact, there's more infrastructural decay in those schools you mentioned. Take OAU for instance, its academic calendar is static. Its hostels are outdated. It lags behind a lot. EBSU medical school has a newly constructed state of the art teaching hospital. In the South East, EBSU Medical School is the second best state medical school after Abia State University (ABSU) Medical School.

Pharmacists are not good entrepreneurs; it's those non-pharmacists who passed through apprenticeship that are good entrepreneurs, and they own most of the pharmaceutical shops in Nigeria. You're just a marketer. It would have been better if you had studied marketing, instead of leaving pharmacy to work as marketers.

Period007:

Don't mind that guy,it was when he mentioned Pharmacists don't go on ward rounds I knew I was agueing with an Ili informed and misinformed medical student whose highest achievements at 30+ is been in medical school

You don't know me well to know my other achievements. When I was in UNN, I met a law student who was in his 50's, and the law programme was his first degree programme. He was offered admission via UTME. He was not yet married too, but he was highly determined and focused.

In UNN medical school then, I also saw very old guys who I thought were lecturers, but on the contrary, they were medical students.

Then in my current school (Ebonyi State University), I saw some of them who are in their 40's and 50's studying medicine with us. Some hold first degree like me, while some didn't go to university before. It's all different strokes for different folks.

Then in Maiduguri, a pharmacist also told me how he advised his friend who was into business to leave his business, and go back to school to study pharmacy, that he was not good at business, and being a brilliant guy when they were in secondary school, he should go back to school. The friend heeded the advice, even though he was in his 40's then. Today, he's a professor of pharmacy.

I've never seen in Nigeria when pharmacists do ward round. Give me the link. I don't hate pharmacy. I just said the truth. So, don't crucify me for airing my views. Let's end the argument. Every course is good. Una don win. I no get strength for the argument again. All I know is that I never lied about the true nature of pharmacy in Nigeria.

mannyiyke:
You don't know me well to know my other achievements. When I was in UNN, I met a law student who was in his 50's, and the law programme was his first degree programme. He was offered admission via UTME. He was not yet married too, but he was highly determined and focused.

In UNN medical school then, I also saw very old guys who I thought were lecturers, but on the contrary, they were medical students.

Then in my current school (Ebonyi State University), I saw some of them who are in their 40's and 50's studying medicine with us. Some hold first degree like me, while some didn't go to university before. It's all different strokes for different folks.

Then in Maiduguri, a pharmacist also told me how he advised his friend who was into business to leave his business, and go back to school to study pharmacy, that he was not good at business, and being a brilliant guy when they were in secondary school, he should go back to school. The friend heeded the advice, even though he was in his 40's then. Today, he's a professor of pharmacy.

I've never seen in Nigeria when pharmacists do ward round. Give me the link. I don't hate pharmacy. I just said the truth. So, don't crucify me for airing my views. Let's end the argument. Every course is good. Una don win. I no get strength for the argument again. All I know is that I never lied about the true nature of pharmacy in Nigeria.

Asks clinicians working in big federal/state teaching hospitals,FMCs and top hospitals if Pharmacists go on ward rounds

Period007:

Asks clinicians working in big federal/state teaching hospitals,FMCs and top hospitals if Pharmacists go on ward rounds

This pharmacist wrote that very few hospitals allow pharmacists to do ward round. That's why I said that I've not seen that. Maybe, in the future, more hospitals will key into that.

mannyiyke:
This pharmacist wrote that very few hospitals allow pharmacists to do ward round. That's why I said that I've not seen that. Maybe, in the future, more hospitals will key into that.

He wrote " few hospitals " and u were "quoting no hospital "