Fariq:


To me personally Amaechi is the man.

yes, I like ameachi, but ameachi candidacy will further divide the party.

osibanjo is the only way for APC to remain as a party.

both CPC led by buhari and acn led by tinubu will both work for osibanjo,

Kyase:

Over to PDP
but Amaechi is our candidate in APC

It is a fair enough choice let him walk the talk.

Jesusloveyou:
ameachi is the last person to get the ticket.

buhari will jettison zoning and handover to osibanjo,

osibanjo presidency is the only way, APC will remain as a party.

ameachi to be the candidate will further divide the party

we will see about that

sweetsell:

It is a fair enough choice let him walk the talk.

who should work the talk, oyegun or amaechi

Ex-chairman vs ex-chairman.

Okay, we have heard and believe all you have said.


After Tinubu has been removed, what next?

OfoIgbo:


That is fair.

If the APC won't zone their presidential ticket to the SE, then zoning is dead. The SW can't do the slot of the SE. Any region can go for it. Don't be fooled by all this southern turn crap. It is the SE turn, failing which zoning is dead.

But also bear in mind that in 1999, the SW was not strong at all in PDP, yet OBJ was chosen, in spite of the fact that SW had no major presence in PDP. In fact at the moment, an Igbo state is APC, so basically there is more Igbo presence in APC, than there was Yoruba presence in PDP, yet OBJ was still chosen.

If the APC powers that be, choose to give the flimsy reason that the SE doesn't have a strong presence in APC as an excuse to deny the SE a chance, then zoning is well and truly dead.

We will also not forget the part that Tinubu played in killing zoning in APC. All this while, he could have insisted on the presidency going to the SE, just the same way a huge chunk of non-Yoruba PDP chieftains supported the notion of a SW president in 1999.
Tinubu's greed may well cost the south the presidency, but we will wait and see. Thank God a sizeable chunk of Igbos are insisting on Biafra. Igbos have options. Something will definitely give

oyatz:
Okay, we have heard and believe all you have said.


After Tinubu has been removed, what next?

First of all, I am sure you know it wasn't Igbos that whittled down Tinubu's power and reach in APC. It was his political partners up north.
He did not learn from Ken Saro Wiwa or Adaka Boro or Abiola or Awolowo.

Look at the SE today. The SE is in a political alliance with the SS, and it is waxing strong and showing no sign of degrading. Yeah, everyone denigrated the Igbos for being on the loosing side after the 2015 general election, but today now that the dust is settling, did the SE or SS really loose? The simple answer is that they did not loose.

Today we have a somewhat dependable ally, and the SS political class can also boast of the same. Now the so-called victors of 2015 are no longer feeling quite victorious.

Buhari's people did what they did to Tinubu because they know that the SW is totally alone, and their actions of the past few days have proven how alone and lonely the SW political game really is.

You should also know that Buhari's people did what they did because they are aware of the presence of a much stronger and vibrant southern group i.e the SE/SS alliance. This southern group is far stronger than Tinubu's contraption, controlling about 10 states. Secondly this other southern group has the moral authority to seek the presidency of Nigeria to an extent that far outweighs the SW claim.
Tinubu left the SW totally exposed because of his greed, and people of good conscience have been shouting themselves hoarse for Tinubu to support a SE presidency come 2023, and all these fell on deaf ears.

Can you imagine how impossible it would have been for Buhari to do what he did two days ago, if Tinubu had endorsed the idea of a SE president, like two weeks ago.
Buhari would have been seeing fire right now, as such an action would have been seen as undermining the entire south, and an action meant to deny the south in general (but SE in particular) the presidency.

But what was done was done, without a whimper from the SE and SS, thus the SW is totally alone now, and about to loose this fight hopelessly in a way that will embolden Fulanis to commit more acts of humiliation against the SW. That is usually their way.

All that Tinubu and his political machinery can do now is to rebuild. Even if he were to endorse a SE candidate for APC or a northern candidate for PDP, it will no longer have the power it would have had, if he did it when he was still in control of influential organs of the APC. He has lost that, and any moves he now makes will seem like yet another ploy by him to insert himself in the presidency. He will be viewed with suspicion.

fergie001:


In other words, jettison ZONING

Not at all. He only gave life to South East aspirations. There’re still chances in Anambra 2021 and cross-carpet.
These are political issues. Watch out.

You have taken time to write a lengthy post about what you have said several times but didn't answer my question.



Now let me ask you again;

We have agreed that Tinubu is a bad person (possibly the cause of all the problems in Nigeria).

Now that he has been removed, what is next? Or what is the way forward sir?

OfoIgbo:


First of all, I am sure you know it wasn't Igbos that whittled down Tinubu's power and reach in APC. It was his political partners up north.
He did not learn from Ken Saro Wiwa or Adaka Boro or Abiola or Awolowo.

Look at the SE today. The SE is in a political alliance with the SS, and it is waxing strong and showing no sign of degrading. Yeah, everyone denigrated the Igbos for being on the loosing side after the 2015 general election, but today now that the dust is settling, did the SE or SS really loose? The simple answer is that they did not loose.

Today we have a somewhat dependable ally, and the SS political class can also boast of the same. Now the so-called victors of 2015 are no longer feeling quite victorious.

Buhari's people did what they did to Tinubu because they know that the SW is totally alone, and their actions of the past few days have proven how alone and lonely the SW political game really is.

You should also know that Buhari's people did what they did because they are aware of the presence of a much stronger and vibrant southern group i.e the SE/SS alliance. This southern group is far stronger than Tinubu's contraption, controlling about 10 states. Secondly this other southern group has the moral authority to seek the presidency of Nigeria to an extent that far outweighs the SW claim.
Tinubu left the SW totally exposed because of his greed, and people of good conscience have been shouting themselves hoarse for Tinubu to support a SE presidency come 2023, and all these fell on deaf ears.

Can you imagine how impossible it would have been for Buhari to do what he did two days ago, if Tinubu had endorsed the idea of a SE president, like two weeks ago.
Buhari would have been seeing fire right now, as such an action would have been seen as undermining the entire south, and an action meant to deny the south in general (but SE in particular) the presidency.

But what was done was done, without a whimper from the SE and SS, thus the SW is totally alone now, and about to loose this fight hopelessly in a way that will embolden Fulanis to commit more acts of humiliation against the SW. That is usually their way.

All that Tinubu and his political machinery can do now is to rebuild. Even if he were to endorse a SE candidate for APC or a northern candidate for PDP, it will no longer have the power it would have had, if he did it when he was still in control of influential organs of the APC. He has lost that, and any moves he now makes will seem like yet another ploy by him to insert himself in the presidency. He will be viewed with suspicion.

Kyase:
who should work the talk, oyegun or amaechi

Amechi of course.

oyatz:
You have taken time to write a lengthy post about what you have said several times but didn't answer my question.



Now let me ask you again;

We have agreed that Tinubu is a bad person (possibly the cause of all the problems in Nigeria).

Now that he has been removed, what is next? Or what is the way forward sir?

At least we are in agreement with the bolded point.

Anyway, jokes apart. I mentioned in my previous writeup that Tinubu and his people have to rebuild.
Maybe I have to spell out what I mean by this, but bear in mind REBUILDING can take different forms. It doesn't have to conform with my own way.

But let me put myself in Tinubu's shoes and suggest a few things he can do.
1. I will totally forget about being Nigeria's president (not in 2023 anyway)
2. To get into this sort of planning, you must eschew any form of greed. Just keep your eyes on the bigger picture and bigger goal, whatever it is
3. I will assess my strengths and weaknesses following the state of play, and come up with ways of morphing my weaknesses into strengths

Tinubu's major weakness is that he wishes to be Nigeria's president in 2023 at all cost.
Another of Tinubu's major weakness is that the SE and SS are not happy with the role he played in 2015
A minor weakness is that he is being perceived as a godfather, and SS and SE people loath godfathers. All his Iyaloja and Babaloja moves in Lagos are rubbing Igbos the wrong way in Lagos, and it is being unconsciously fed to the public, that that is his way, and he is bound to introduce that brand of politics in Nigeria, if he were to become the president.

The reality on ground is that the SE and SS will never vote for him, because his record has been entirely anti SE/SS, from opposing the GEJ presidency, using his media and his wealth, to undermining the effort of Igbos to cast their votes in Lagos state, to his babaloja/Iyaloja things in Lagos markets e.t.c.

As Reno Omokri rightly described the situation, Tinubu's hand is caught in a trap and all he has to do to free himself from this trap is to release whatever goodies he may think, is hidden inside the coconut shell. Tinubu has to abandon his quest for the presidency, or he will perpetually remain trapped, and they will perpetually toy with him, along with his SW people.

If I were Tinubu, I will still remain in APC, even though his power and reach are much reduced at the moment. But the reality is that his group is still the second most powerful group in APC, albeit whittled down. APC is still the ruling party. He mustn't forget that. But he can start to build new alliances within APC. The SE/SS alliance within APC is not that strong, but he can start from that. He can reach out to the middlebelt also. His alliance can start championing the SE presidency option, and restructuring.

From within APC, this alliance can start reaching out to like-minded blocs, such as the SE/SS alliance within PDP, the middlebelt crew within PDP and other progressives, that are pro-restructuring and feel it is the turn of the SE to produce the president.

The above will give him the moral high ground and make him near untouchable, after all he will still be a member of APC, and EFCC will be a little reluctant going after him, and will force the hand of APC to look for a SE candidate. Remember the international community will be observing proceedings and will be judging situations. The international community is far likely to support a move meant to usher in fairness, and if he is seen as one of the arrowheads of such a move, this will improve his international clout also.

But if you coneheads, still want to encourage him to take the slot that duly belongs to the SE, you will be forcing his hand deeper into the trap, and further making him, and the SW irrelevant in the scheme of things. Mark my words

Oyegun tenured was disaster ....He Created all these problems during his term......He was playing politics and never happy with the way Oshomole emerged as Chairman because of his second term ambition ......Oyegun created all these problems in all over the States.

fergie001:


In other words, jettison ZONING

If I understand the statement right he mean APC is tilting towards a Southern Candidate for 2023.

However he said the SE should have been made the candidate but they are not strong in APC. Hence he thinks the contest will be open to any zone (I thought: Within the South) that can perform in the post.

Looking at the politics, I am pretty sure Tinubu won’t contest coz there are lot of things against him due to the fact that he relegated a lot of people and they will be Looking for payback. Also the Muslim-Muslim issue. The SW needs someone that can win at least 85% of its vote, only Osinbajo or Fashola can pull that currently.

The best bet for him is to present Osinbajo. That will solve a lot of issue within APC and even the Yoruba caucus. The North knows Osinbajo is not that strong (so they can do with him) and Osinbajo has integrity so win high vote for APC in the SW in 2023.

Forget about Fayemi, Amosun and Akeredolu in the SW. Osinbajo on the ballot will thrash them and whatever treachery they want to come about.

If I were Tinubu, I won’t show my card yet. I will let people to be speculating that I will contest (So as to protect Osinbajo from the beam light of the enemies) and when it’s time for the show towards 2023, I will show my card.

LegendHero:

I said it since last year, that Tinubu won't contest.
There are a lot of people waiting to deal him a fatal blow.
Moreover, when a kingmaker leaves his responsibilities and try to be a King...he loses every privilege of a kingmaker.

Oyegun was cryptic...he has always been in the Fayemi/Amaechi Group.

The SE will vote the North to act as spoilers because they will feel they should have it.

The Amaechi people rather than a Tinubu having it will push for a Northern candidate, that's the fear. Osibanjo commands the respect of most of the Governors but Tinubu has a whole lot of influence on him.

Another caveat is...the North won't want to push a Christian candidate as Vice.....so its a Catch-22 situation.

I like Fashola....I have always liked him. If he is given the ticket..I will be pleased. Nonetheless, I believe the APC will always have a compromise candidate somehow.

They will sort it out once its election time, but a whole lot will depend on Buhari's disposition.

fergie001:

Yes, the SE by instinct might want to vote for North in APC but I can tell you they won’t, they will support the Tinubu caucus in APC because one of the current leader of APC in the East now is pro-Tinubu. Although Kalu wield more power but I think he can be bought or given a better deal. Will El-Rufai outspend Tinubu caucus in APC primaries if Buhari is neutral? Laelae

However about the SW, the problem of Tinubu will also be the problem of Fashola. They are both Muslims and they will find it hard to pick a Christian Northerners coz the core North won’t accept. Hence, Fashola is out of the equation.

The only option for Tinubu is to rally round behind Osinbajo when it’s time and form alliance with a strong Northerner as vice so they can put their all to wrestle the power from any bloc in the APC that tries giving the slot to the North.

Like you said, in as much as Buhari remain neutral, the likes of Amaechi/Fayemi won’t be able to survive a Tinubu caucus especially when they front Osinbajo.

Tinubu should keep letting the media beam their light on him, when it’s time, he should show his cards.

Jesusloveyou:
nonsense

It make sense bro

LegendHero:
.

That's what he has been doing. Taking the hits and protecting his choice.

Again, you know these politicians are pure poker-players.

Well, Osibanjo..I am not his greatest fan but I respect his humility and what is in HIS head.
My fear is I will not want someone who won't be in CONTROL.

If were Tinubu, i will run for the Presidency in 2023 and damn ANY consequences (death, defeat or imprisonment).


Certain things need to happen to deepen the democratic culture of Nigeria and to see if we truly want a country where there's equality of citizenship

ANY citizen of Nigeria aspiring to the high should not be cowed.

OfoIgbo:


At least we are in agreement with the bolded point.

Anyway, jokes apart. I mentioned in my previous writeup that Tinubu and his people have to rebuild.
Maybe I have to spell out what I mean by this, but bear in mind REBUILDING can take different forms. It doesn't have to conform with my own way.

But let me put myself in Tinubu's shoes and suggest a few things he can do.
1. I will totally forget about being Nigeria's president (not in 2023 anyway)
2. To get into this sort of planning, you must eschew any form of greed. Just keep your eyes on the bigger picture and bigger goal, whatever it is
3. I will assess my strengths and weaknesses following the state of play, and come up with ways of morphing my weaknesses into strengths

Tinubu's major weakness is that he wishes to be Nigeria's president in 2023 at all cost.
Another of Tinubu's major weakness is that the SE and SS are not happy with the role he played in 2015
A minor weakness is that he is being perceived as a godfather, and SS and SE people loath godfathers. All his Iyaloja and Babaloja moves in Lagos are rubbing Igbos the wrong way in Lagos, and it is being unconsciously fed to the public, that that is his way, and he is bound to introduce that brand of politics in Nigeria, if he were to become the president.

The reality on ground is that the SE and SS will never vote for him, because his record has been entirely anti SE/SS, from opposing the GEJ presidency, using his media and his wealth, to undermining the effort of Igbos to cast their votes in Lagos state, to his babaloja/Iyaloja things in Lagos markets e.t.c.

As Reno Omokri rightly described the situation, Tinubu's hand is caught in a trap and all he has to do to free himself from this trap is to release whatever goodies he may think, is hidden inside the coconut shell. Tinubu has to abandon his quest for the presidency, or he will perpetually remain trapped, and they will perpetually toy with him, along with his SW people.

If I were Tinubu, I will still remain in APC, even though his power and reach are much reduced at the moment. But the reality is that his group is still the second most powerful group in APC, albeit whittled down. APC is still the ruling party. He mustn't forget that. But he can start to build new alliances within APC. The SE/SS alliance within APC is not that strong, but he can start from that. He can reach out to the middlebelt also. His alliance can start championing the SE presidency option, and restructuring.

From within APC, this alliance can start reaching out to like-minded blocs, such as the SE/SS alliance within PDP, the middlebelt crew within PDP and other progressives, that are pro-restructuring and feel it is the turn of the SE to produce the president.

The above will give him the moral high ground and make him near untouchable, after all he will still be a member of APC, and EFCC will be a little reluctant going after him, and will force the hand of APC to look for a SE candidate. Remember the international community will be observing proceedings and will be judging situations. The international community is far likely to support a move meant to usher in fairness, and if he is seen as one of the arrowheads of such a move, this will improve his international clout also.

But if you coneheads, still want to encourage him to take the slot that duly belongs to the SE, you will be forcing his hand deeper into the trap, and further making him, and the SW irrelevant in the scheme of things. Mark my words

fergie001:

Your argument is valid. It’s important to have a president that will be in control.

Although with Osinbajo intellect and absolute power as a president, Tinubu won’t be able to do some things and it might be hard to have a control Osinbajo for so long.

LegendHero:


Your argument is valid. It’s important to have a president that will be in control.

Although with Osinbajo intellect and absolute power as a president, Tinubu won’t be able to do some things and it might be hard to have a control Osinbajo for so long.

And you forgot what happened to Fashola when he attempted that?
You forgot what happened to Ambode when he attempted that?

If there is any drawback I have with Prof, that's just it.

fergie001:

And you forgot what happened to Fashola when he attempted that?
You forgot what happened to Ambode when he attempted that?

If there is any drawback I have with Prof, that's just it.

Well if they reach that bright they’ll cross it.

That’s the only explanation.

oyatz:
If were Tinubu, i will run for the Presidency in 2023 and damn ANY consequences (death, defeat or imprisonment).


Certain things need to happen to deepen the democratic culture of Nigeria and to see if we truly want a country where there's equality of citizenship

ANY citizen of Nigeria aspiring to the high should not be cowed.

In that case, he can run. But he has already lost Abiola's northern votes you guys were banking on.

He will have to depend on Yoruba votes solely

LegendHero:


Well if they reach that bright they’ll cross it.

That’s the only explanation.

That's why I said I believe they will sort things out as a Party.

fergie001:

That's why I said I believe they will sort things out as a Party.

I just saw Tinubu statement now. That guy is so intelligent, he knows the word to say to calm situation and he purposely told the dissolved NWC that they can always re-contest when it’s time for the APC convention.

That word is heavy and they will only re-strategize and hold the power. Last last, they will have another Chairman but it will definitely be from the Tinubu camp.

One thing you can’t take away from Tinubu is his intelligence and political brilliance. He is a great asset to any party.

LegendHero:

He has been doing this a long time.

Time shall tell.....the best chess player wins. First, the Convention.

fergie001:

He has been doing this a long time.

Time shall tell.....the best chess player wins. First, the Convention.

Yes, one step at a time. The convention first.

What is your bet? Do you think Tinubu camp will have an edge or the other camp?

For me, looking at the current trend and political acumen of the players involved, I’m sure Tinubu camp will still get it.

LegendHero:


Yes, one step at a time. The convention first.

What is your bet? Do you think Tinubu camp will have an edge or the other camp?

For me, looking at the current trend and political acumen of the players involved, I’m sure Tinubu camp will still get it.

I can't stake o......It will start with the Zoning of offices....I believe if they intend to be just, it is to keep the same formula.
Normally, they should accommodate every faction.... CPC, ACN, Governor's block, et al.

One thing is sure, they will all have their choices in. Whether it remains in the SS will depend on Edo elections.
I wouldn't know the notion of a National Chairman whose State is even with the opposition now becoming Chair.

But I believe once Edo & Ondo is completed, then Zoning is stamped, the choices will narrow down.

fergie001:

I can't stake o......It will start with the Zoning of offices....I believe if they intend to be just, it is to keep the same formula.
Normally, they should accommodate every faction.... CPC, ACN, Governor's block, et al.

One thing is sure, they will all have their choices in. Whether it remains in the SS will depend on Edo elections.
I wouldn't know the notion of a National Chairman whose State is even with the opposition now becoming Chair.

But I believe once Edo & Ondo is completed, then Zoning is stamped, the choices will narrow down.

Nice reply. Have a nice night bro.

Help me say hi to family.

LegendHero:


Nice reply. Have a nice night bro.

Help me say hi to family.

Same here bro....keep safe o, Coro dey town.

OfoIgbo:


At least we are in agreement with the bolded point.

Anyway, jokes apart. I mentioned in my previous writeup that Tinubu and his people have to rebuild.
Maybe I have to spell out what I mean by this, but bear in mind REBUILDING can take different forms. It doesn't have to conform with my own way.

But let me put myself in Tinubu's shoes and suggest a few things he can do.
1. I will totally forget about being Nigeria's president (not in 2023 anyway)
2. To get into this sort of planning, you must eschew any form of greed. Just keep your eyes on the bigger picture and bigger goal, whatever it is
3. I will assess my strengths and weaknesses following the state of play, and come up with ways of morphing my weaknesses into strengths

Tinubu's major weakness is that he wishes to be Nigeria's president in 2023 at all cost.
Another of Tinubu's major weakness is that the SE and SS are not happy with the role he played in 2015
A minor weakness is that he is being perceived as a godfather, and SS and SE people loath godfathers. All his Iyaloja and Babaloja moves in Lagos are rubbing Igbos the wrong way in Lagos, and it is being unconsciously fed to the public, that that is his way, and he is bound to introduce that brand of politics in Nigeria, if he were to become the president.

The reality on ground is that the SE and SS will never vote for him, because his record has been entirely anti SE/SS, from opposing the GEJ presidency, using his media and his wealth, to undermining the effort of Igbos to cast their votes in Lagos state, to his babaloja/Iyaloja things in Lagos markets e.t.c.

As Reno Omokri rightly described the situation, Tinubu's hand is caught in a trap and all he has to do to free himself from this trap is to release whatever goodies he may think, is hidden inside the coconut shell. Tinubu has to abandon his quest for the presidency, or he will perpetually remain trapped, and they will perpetually toy with him, along with his SW people.

If I were Tinubu, I will still remain in APC, even though his power and reach are much reduced at the moment. But the reality is that his group is still the second most powerful group in APC, albeit whittled down. APC is still the ruling party. He mustn't forget that. But he can start to build new alliances within APC. The SE/SS alliance within APC is not that strong, but he can start from that. He can reach out to the middlebelt also. His alliance can start championing the SE presidency option, and restructuring.

From within APC, this alliance can start reaching out to like-minded blocs, such as the SE/SS alliance within PDP, the middlebelt crew within PDP and other progressives, that are pro-restructuring and feel it is the turn of the SE to produce the president.

The above will give him the moral high ground and make him near untouchable, after all he will still be a member of APC, and EFCC will be a little reluctant going after him, and will force the hand of APC to look for a SE candidate. Remember the international community will be observing proceedings and will be judging situations. The international community is far likely to support a move meant to usher in fairness, and if he is seen as one of the arrowheads of such a move, this will improve his international clout also.

But if you coneheads, still want to encourage him to take the slot that duly belongs to the SE, you will be forcing his hand deeper into the trap, and further making him, and the SW irrelevant in the scheme of things. Mark my words

Very dull analysis.
Just say the SE can't get the presidency themselves and need a Tinubu to get it for them. What a funny albeit emotional wishful thinking

We don't exist for today alone but for posterity.


The fear of POSSIBLE failures should not be a deterant of taking a decisive action.



The determination of the Late MKO Abiola to run to the Presidency and stood his ground till the very end changed the polical course of Nigeria.

The decision of Tinubu to contest for the presidential election regardless of the outcome will inspire future generations that they too can aspire for the highest office in the land irrespective of what any cabal wish or think and they will eventually succeed.


By the way, why are you not advicing Atiku Abubakar to withdraw from the race, clamour for a SE candidate and support restructuring or all these noble advices are only good for Tinubu?

OfoIgbo:


In that case, he can run. But he has already lost Abiola's northern votes you guys were banking on.

He will have to depend on Yoruba votes solely

Agboriotejoye:

Very dull analysis.
Just say the SE can't get the presidency themselves and need a Tinubu to get it for them. What a funny albeit emotional wishful thinking

Tinubu can't get it alone also. And unlike in 1999, no other power bloc is willing to partner with the SW to install Tinubu as the president. Not especially when the SE has not filed Nigeria in more than 50 years.

Tinubu's power ends in the sw