donjazet:

lastly, fabregas might be washed up now due to aging legs,

How old was Fabregas when he became a perennial bench fodder from 2016. His mate are still running midfield for Madrid and the likes. He never had legs. He was found out as an easy man to press halfway through our title run in 2014/15. He has been the same since he was a teenager. Nothing to do with age. He was a structural liability since youth. Jorginho is young now and still doesn't have legs.

Ibime:


How old was Fabregas when he became a perennial bench fodder from 2016. His mate are still running midfield for Madrid and the likes. He never had legs. He was found out as an easy man to press halfway through our title run in 2014/15. He has been the same since he was a teenager. Nothing to do with age. He was a structural liability since youth. Jorginho is young now and still doesn't have legs.

How do you want thunder to fire you for this thing you posted

donjazet:
Many of us here just continue to be swayed by emotions and the typical short term memories that plague football fans.

ohh, today, christensen and zouma are now the better options, because of one game. While still forgetting that this same rudiger has been instrumental to the last 3 trophies we have won. Today, we praise his him, tomorrow we condemn him, just like you are doing right now for zouma and christensen, rather than clamour for a sustained stabilized partnership in our defense.

See how you guys are now rubbishing jorginho, the same player that was sought after by many top clubs like madrid and mancity. he was bought because the club keyed into the sarri project but unfortunately did not give the project time to materialize, as usual. Jorginho is a player highly proficient with the ball whose technique was immense. there is a reason guardiola chased after him vociferously. imagine guardiola having jorginho as a player.
Its just very unfortunate we dont have a system that would have best utilized jorginho's skills. he has already shown how immense he could be with a system suited to his ability, with napoli.

For those complaining about hudson, you guys are still easily forgetting how good hudson was with sarri before injuries derailed his progress. he was one of the most promising talent out there and bayern were ready to do anything to get him, he leveraged that situation to get a better deal, who wouldn't? but to start laying abuses at him when he hasnt even gotten enough chances yet to prove himself exposes that impatient mentality that we are famed for. This is exactly the same mistakes we made with KDB, salah, lukaku and other very good players who we have had. that impatience to do away with talented players who have current impediments. hudson is one for the future. save your bile for someone else.

lastly, fabregas might be washed up now due to aging legs,but make no mistake, he was one of the most creative players in europe at his peak.
fabregas and costa were the ultimate players responsible for our league win under mourinho lest you forget. its not fair to him to rubbish such an established player just because he began to dwindle at the twlight of his career.
we need to stop being soo quick and rash in our judgement. many fans are too quick to judge from emotions and that is wrong. enough said.

Not sure he has won any individual award in his career. Maybe he won it in church.

Instrumentalist Rudiger.

Lana1:
2 goals and 0 assists in his last 12 games. But, he can at least drimbble and win penalties. Shaku shaku and activity forming is a natural endearment for you.

That's what poor analysts call breaking a stubborn defence with dribbling skills. With time, you will understand football.

iamoyindamola:

How do you want thunder to fire you for this thing you posted

The day Arsenal became a failure club was the day they replaced men who cover every aspect of midfield like Gilberto and Vieira with structural liabilities like Fabregas

OJURONGBE1:



I shared the same sentiment few days ago
Greenwood is a joy to watch and he's not even 20yet
Everything he has done this season put what Odoi has managed over two season to bed .
He scores fantastic goals, dribble and has a quick feet.
If he continues like that, he would be a gem.

Come to think of it ,how come united were able to get Bruno Fernandez for £50m while we paid £50 and £40m for Jorginho&Kovacic who offered next to nothing in our games ?

Odoi 2 seasons how?

And when did Bruno and Jorginho and Kovacic start playing the same position

Apart from they are different kinds of players

Hmm, ok oh

Ibime:


He is still too slow to play AM. Another CM behind will have to be the one making runs into the box to join the attackers, leaving the midfield open.

Ontop of that, he will destroy any attempt at high press cos he can't keep up, making it easy for opponents to beat the press and attack your midfield.

His only hope was to convert into a deep Pirlo role but he is not press resistant. As soon as you press him, he gives up the ball and opponents are running straight at your defence.

I don't know how anyone will be harking back to Fabregas who every manager from Barcelona to Chelsea benched back to back for these reasons.

Only a monkey post analyst like Popizaino who is myopic to only see the great passes will not see the full picture and concentrate only on the passes. Left to Popizaino, our midfield 3 today would be Mikel, Fabregas and Mata

come to think of it, this press resistance you guys keep posting. Anyway, was pirlo "press resistant"


If press resistance is opposing players rushing a player, I recall Jorginho facing such as Napoli, and holding the ball effectively or releasing the pass quickly. Well then EPL took a toil on him.

Or when you speak of a player you just mention their performance in a short period or their playing period?

BlueAngel444:
come to think of it, this press resistance you guys keep posting. Anyway, was pirlo "press resistant"


If press resistance is opposing players rushing a player, I recall Jorginho facing such as Napoli, and holding the ball effectively or releasing the pass quickly. Well then EPL took a toil on him.

Or when you speak of a player you just mention their performance in a short period or their playing period?

Press resistance is ability to half-turn away from pressing players without mistake. Pirlo had it, but Xavi was the best. Other good players with half-turn from a different mould include Makelele and Dembele.

Fabregas has a half-turn but he's not great at it. Jorginho has no half-turn, he just plays the ball back to defence when you press him, or he loses it.

To Timbros and his brother donjazet, these are opinions on your Rudiger last season. Don't come and sell a dummy to us, that it was after injury that he became sh1t. He was never Chelsea's standard from the get go.

Ibime:


The day Arsenal became a failure club was the day they replaced men who cover every aspect of midfield like Gilberto and Vieira with structural liabilities like Fabregas

Where's the primary duty of fabregas

donjazet:
Many of us here just continue to be swayed by emotions and the typical short term memories that plague football fans.

ohh, today, christensen and zouma are now the better options, because of one game. While still forgetting that this same rudiger has been instrumental to the last 3 trophies we have won. Today, we praise his him, tomorrow we condemn him, just like you are doing right now for zouma and christensen, rather than clamour for a sustained stabilized partnership in our defense.

See how you guys are now rubbishing jorginho, the same player that was sought after by many top clubs like madrid and mancity. he was bought because the club keyed into the sarri project but unfortunately did not give the project time to materialize, as usual. Jorginho is a player highly proficient with the ball whose technique was immense. there is a reason guardiola chased after him vociferously. imagine guardiola having jorginho as a player.
Its just very unfortunate we dont have a system that would have best utilized jorginho's skills. he has already shown how immense he could be with a system suited to his ability, with napoli.

For those complaining about hudson, you guys are still easily forgetting how good hudson was with sarri before injuries derailed his progress. he was one of the most promising talent out there and bayern were ready to do anything to get him, he leveraged that situation to get a better deal, who wouldn't? but to start laying abuses at him when he hasnt even gotten enough chances yet to prove himself exposes that impatient mentality that we are famed for. This is exactly the same mistakes we made with KDB, salah, lukaku and other very good players who we have had. that impatience to do away with talented players who have current impediments. hudson is one for the future. save your bile for someone else.

lastly, fabregas might be washed up now due to aging legs,but make no mistake, he was one of the most creative players in europe at his peak.
fabregas and costa were the ultimate players responsible for our league win under mourinho lest you forget. its not fair to him to rubbish such an established player just because he began to dwindle at the twlight of his career.
we need to stop being soo quick and rash in our judgement. many fans are too quick to judge from emotions and that is wrong. enough said.

this is like the best and most intelligent post so far.

That's how one mufu quoted me and said there's no height in midfield and as such the team will finishe 8 because Jorginho is there, in mind o was like so it's Magic or Bakayoko he wants in our midfield or who.

honestly well I don't think some people can change. The way posts seem to sound so certain and critical like .... Mehn

KDB even improved the defensive side of his game, I can imagine what Jorginho would have turned to in Pep's hand considering the players that improved under him.

If some are managers eh, players career will just wreck. Most comments here are for fun, trolling so I am glad to find something worth reading. Fans can flip sha.

I recall when Fabregas improved defensively, but his usually fatigue during the season loss of form.

The same Odoi came back from injury and was benching Pulisic. I just wish our players can maintain their form, like Lampard has been saying.

It's so funny when I read Chelsea fans say Willian should be given contract extension

iamoyindamola:

Where's the primary duty of fabregas

Till today nobody knows. Too slow to play CAM, too press irrrestitant to play CM. He decided to sit back in DM and become a liability that any team can attack through. Teammates meanwhile have to overcompensate the gaps he leaves and leave their men to come and close spaces everytime someone drifts past him. The one year I saw him play very well as a CAM was 2007 or so. After that, football quickened up and he is too slow to play there in modern football so he decided to become a defensive liability.


I will never forget how PSG with 10 men bullied him in UCL in 2014/15. Nigga could not even carry his team past the halfway line against 10 men. Matuidi and Berratti physically locked him in a cage like Atum did to Jehovah. No wonder he had Chelsea completely impotent in UCL and 2 of the 3 years he was a starter, we were beset by midfield weakness and could not make top 4.

Ibime:


Press resistance is ability to half-turn away from pressing players without mistake. Pirlo had it, but Xavi was the best. Other good players with half-turn from a different mould include Makelele and Dembele.

Fabregas has a half-turn but he's not great at it. Jorginho has no half-turn, he just plays the ball back to defence when you press him, or he loses it.

did you watch Jorginho in Napoli, or early in the season.

I recall one commentator saying Jorginho has to pass side ways because of the limited options Chelsea players provide him to pass. They weren't opening for a pass, so he had to pass to those available. Most of Jorginho passes compared to other DMs were forward passes.

Sometimes the kind of players one has around them affects how they play, either better or poorly. I remember how badly pirlo played and performed before Conte.

Ibime:


Till today nobody knows. Too slow to play CAM, too press irrrestitant to play CM. He decided to sit back in DM and become a liability that any team can attack through. Teammates meanwhile have to overcompensate the gaps he leaves and leave their men to come and close spaces everytime someone drifts past him.

I will never forget how PSG with 10 men bullied him in UCL in 2014/15. Nigga could not even carry his team past the halfway line against 10 men. Matuidi and Berratti physically locked him in a cage like Atum did to Jehovah. No wonder he had Chelsea completely impotent in UCL and 2 of the 3 years he was a starter, we were beset by midfield weakness and could not make top 4.

is Toni Kross press resistant?

BlueAngel444:
is Toni Kross press resistant?

Yes

BlueAngel444:
did you watch Jorginho in Napoli, or early in the season.

I recall one commentator saying Jorginho has to pass side ways because of the limited options Chelsea players provide him to pass. They weren't opening for a pass, so he had to pass to those available. Most of Jorginho passes compared to other DMs were forward passes.

Sometimes the kind of players one has around them affects how they play, either better or poorly. I remember how badly pirlo played and performed before Conte.

Good press resistance is receiving the ball on half-turn when someone is on your back and you spin away from them and face forward rather than passing back to defenders. Jorginho cannot spin away from anybody, that's why he passes back. The whole point of press resistance is that your only passing options are backward so you need to spin the player. Jorginho can't do that.

BlueAngel444:
did you watch Jorginho in Napoli, or early in the season.

I recall one commentator saying Jorginho has to pass side ways because of the limited options Chelsea players provide him to pass. They weren't opening for a pass, so he had to pass to those available. Most of Jorginho passes compared to other DMs were forward passes.

Sometimes the kind of players one has around them affects how they play, either better or poorly. I remember how badly pirlo played and performed before Conte.

The stuff about limited options is so true. One major reason Jorginho has had to be passing sideways is lack of movement from his attackers. Then, they will just be circulating the ball.
Especially last season, the way teams negated Chelsea was to allow Chelsea have the ball and sit back, because then the players would just be circulating passes instead of making more runs in behind.

Ibime:


Good press resistance is receiving the ball on half-turn when someone is on your back and you spin away from them and face forward rather than passing back to defenders. Jorginho cannot spin away from anybody, that's why he passes back. The whole point of press resistance is that your only passing options are backward so you need to spin the player. Jorginho can't do that.

I've seen him do that a good number of times actually.

Word of the day: Press Resistant

Let Madrid do mistake and win this league let me see the clown that will mention Hidden Shakushaku's 1 goal and 3 assists as "important contributions"

BlueAngel444:

That's how one mufu quoted me and said there's no height in midfield and as such the team will finishe 8 because Jorginho is there, in mind o was like so it's Magic or Bakayoko he wants in our midfield or who.

It is well known that you are one of the most clueless commentators here. You just regurgitate transfer rumours and put names on teamsheet like someone playing fantasy football with no knowledge of how the pieces fit together.

So you read transfer rumour and put Jorginho in a 2 man midfield with Kante. Where do you know Jorginho to be a lateral midfielder who plays in 2 man midfield. Jorginho can only play in triangular shape because he is solely about the triangles. A midfielder in a 2 man midfield has a different skill set including the ability to drive, travel with the ball and not rely solely on creating triangles. On top of that, na Kante and Jorginho you come partner in a 2 man midfield in a 4-4-2 as if teams do not build up attacking advantages from aerial knockdowns.

You know nothing about midfield play my guy. If I say something about midfield it's from experience of many years of playing there and decades of watching midfield and understanding midfielders roles. Any weakness I pinpoint in Chelsea midfield, managers will finally agree with me when they have an opportunity to make a transfer. From pointing out Fabregas weakness in our midfield halfway through our title run, Conte came later and sat him down. From pointing out Mikel and Ramires unsuitability all those years ago, again managers saw them out when they had the opportunity. Even the Bakayoko I begged Chelsea not to sign that he receives the ball blindly and will lose it often. Within weeks, he was exposed and shipped out at season end. We can even go back to when the debate on this board was Mata vs Oscar and I said they are both weaknesses and DeBruyne is the best candidate. Even as recently as 3 weeks ago when you were foolishly building Chelsea future team with Jorginho at the centre, I told you Jorginho is a structural weakness and should not have any future at Chelsea. 3 weeks later, Lampard has locked him in cage like Atum. You keep commentating like a fan, I will continue to give you the managers perspective. The same perspective that had Fabregas riding bench to Monaco and Mikel riding bench for years all the way to China.

In a typical football match where midfielders will make 200 presses, you won't see the 20 times in that match Fabregas was unable to make his press effectively and quickly, causing Willian, Kante or Azpi to get dragged out of the man they are pressing to come and help, leaving overload on their side due to Fabregas lack of legs. You will only see the beautiful pass he made to Costa. The difference between what both of us see in the game is due to experience and knowledge of what a midfielder should be providing.

BlueMann:

I've seen him do that a good number of times actually.

You have to do it perfectly 99% of the time if you are to be a deep lying regista. He does not have it.

popizaino:



Like simeoni abi?

Diego is more of a DM, he'll av idea of how defense should be

A40:
Let Madrid do mistake and win this league let me see the clown that will mention Hidden Shakushaku's 1 goal and 3 assists as "important contributions"

Raumdeuter, take this your dog to Real Madrid's thread. We are discussing Chelsea here.

airmark:
To Timbros and his brother donjazet, these are opinions on your Rudiger last season. Don't come and sell a dummy to us, that it was after injury that he became sh1t. He was never Chelsea's standard from the get go.

You are like a reckless and shameful gambler, one who hides his face in ignominy when his ticket cuts but will come out making noises when only 2 out of your 20 slips enter.
Except this time, you haven't even won and you are gallivanting around.

Rudiger is a good defender. No defender will perform optimally in a team like ours that is always been chopped and changed.
I recall him playing very well with Luiz under sarri. I usually reference sarri because, under him we played the most scintillating attacking football I have ever seen at Chelsea, especially the first half of the season. Sarri had a stable defense partnership and it worked quite well for the most part. if I recall vividly, we had the 3rd best defense in the league, after Liverpool and mancity.

Rudiger showed how good he was on the ball.
I also remember how good he was for the German national team when they won the confederations cup few years ago.

I'm not saying he is the best defender out there. I'm saying he is better than most. Unless Chelsea is buying a world class center back like vvd or varane. We can succeed with him. He just needs a very good partner.

You pointing out a random post that criticizes him is just useless, that can also be a rant after a bad game. I could just as easily dig out old posts of Chelsea fans here criticizing John Terry or Barça fans criticizing puyol and pique after bad games. Go to the beginning of this thread and see such after Barça lost to us in UCL.

People will always rant emotionally after a loss. It's down to a matured mind to calm down and accept the fact that good players will always have bad days.

Meanwhile, tell me how your Krakowiak, coquelin and bellotti are faring?

It's high time sensible people made more posts on this thread getting tired and bored of the same old crap posted in new ways by the same old farts

BlueAngel444:
It's high time sensible people made more posts on this thread getting tired and bored of the same old crap posted in new ways by the same old farts

you re genius bro

This thread needs some restructuring..

Same old shiits, just a different day

airmark:


Raumdeuter, take this your dog to Real Madrid's thread. We are discussing Chelsea here.

Shut up your foolish mouth apoche cra cra. Shame no gree you post again after I showed you Morata actually has a better goal per minute ratio than your baby daddy Belloti.

donjazet:


[s]You are like a reckless and shameful gambler, one who hides his face in ignominy when his ticket cuts but will come out making noises when only 2 out of your 20 slips enter.
Except this time, you haven't even won and you are gallivanting around.

Rudiger is a good defender. No defender will perform optimally in a team like ours that is always been chopped and changed.
I recall him playing very well with Luiz under sarri. I usually reference sarri because, under him we played the most scintillating attacking football I have ever seen at Chelsea, especially the first half of the season. Sarri had a stable defense partnership and it worked quite well for the most part. if I recall vividly, we had the 3rd best defense in the league, after Liverpool and mancity.

Rudiger showed how good he was on the ball.
I also remember how good he was for the German national team when they won the confederations cup few years ago.

I'm not saying he is the best defender out there. I'm saying he is better than most. Unless Chelsea is buying a world class center back like vvd or varane. We can succeed with him. He just needs a very good partner.

You pointing out a random post that criticizes him is just useless, that can also be a rant after a bad game. I could just as easily dig out old posts of Chelsea fans here criticizing John Terry or Barça fans criticizing puyol and pique after bad games. Go to the beginning of this thread and see such after Barça lost to us in UCL.

People will always rant emotionally after a loss. It's down to a matured mind to calm down and accept the fact that good players will always have bad days.

Meanwhile, tell me how your Krakowiak, coquelin and bellotti are faring?[/s]

Rudiger was/is and will always be a kponkpon defender. He is not meant for Chelsea's standard. He should be playing for Norwich.

Thank God, Lampard has put him where he belongs, while we shop for a better replacement for next season.

Rudiger should be employed as one of our scouts. It's appalling that this embarrassment of a defender, is who some touted as our best defender.

donjazet:


You are like a reckless and shameful gambler, one who hides his face in ignominy when his ticket cuts but will come out making noises when only 2 out of your 20 slips enter.
Except this time, you haven't even won and you are gallivanting around.

Rudiger is a good defender. No defender will perform optimally in a team like ours that is always been chopped and changed.
I recall him playing very well with Luiz under sarri. I usually reference sarri because, under him we played the most scintillating attacking football I have ever seen at Chelsea, especially the first half of the season. Sarri had a stable defense partnership and it worked quite well for the most part. if I recall vividly, we had the 3rd best defense in the league, after Liverpool and mancity.

Rudiger showed how good he was on the ball.
I also remember how good he was for the German national team when they won the confederations cup few years ago.

I'm not saying he is the best defender out there. I'm saying he is better than most. Unless Chelsea is buying a world class center back like vvd or varane. We can succeed with him. He just needs a very good partner.

You pointing out a random post that criticizes him is just useless, that can also be a rant after a bad game. I could just as easily dig out old posts of Chelsea fans here criticizing John Terry or Barça fans criticizing puyol and pique after bad games. Go to the beginning of this thread and see such after Barça lost to us in UCL.

People will always rant emotionally after a loss. It's down to a matured mind to calm down and accept the fact that good players will always have bad days.

Meanwhile, tell me how your Krakowiak, coquelin and bellotti are faring?

Even fellow Chelsea fans know Airmark is a deranged he-goat.

A40:
Shut up your foolish mouth apoche cra cra. Shame no gree you post again after I showed you Morata actually has a better goal per minute ratio than your baby daddy Belloti.

Have you appologised for lying that Morata only played 22 matches this season? Ajakaja40.