Ibime:


It is well known that you are one of the most clueless commentators here. You just regurgitate transfer rumours and put names on teamsheet like someone playing fantasy football with no knowledge of how the pieces fit together.

So you read transfer rumour and put Jorginho in a 2 man midfield with Kante. Where do you know Jorginho to be a lateral midfielder who plays in 2 man midfield. Jorginho can only play in triangular shape because he is solely about the triangles. A midfielder in a 2 man midfield has a different skill set including the ability to drive, travel with the ball and not rely solely on creating triangles. On top of that, na Kante and Jorginho you come partner in a 2 man midfield in a 4-4-2 as if teams do not build up attacking advantages from aerial knockdowns.

In a typical football match where midfielders will make 200 presses, you won't see the 20 times in that match Fabregas was unable to make his press effectively and quickly, causing Willian, Kante or Azpi to get dragged out of the man they are pressing to come and help, leaving overload on their side due to Fabregas lack of legs. You will only see the beautiful pass he made to Costa. The difference between what both of us see in the game is due to experience and knowledge of what a midfielder should be providing.

You really didn't need to start abusing him for having a different opinion from yours especially seeing as you have a very limited knowledge on the press resistance issue you are yapping about.

I grimaced softly when I saw your very limited definition of press resistance.
Do you even know what press resistance is?
It is simply the ability to resist high pressure from your opponent. The individual press resistance can be achieved via two ways; by dribbling or by passing..
Did you know that kovacic and kante are very good press resistant players despite being limited passers? This is because they easily evade pressure and maintain the ball when pressed by the opponent.

As a matter of fact, the concept of using press resistance players as DM's are fairly new or were very rare. It is Barça that introduced this concept by using xavi and busquet as DM's.
Makalele, matic and other renowned DM's were not really press resistant because their roles in their teams were very different.
Press resistant defensive midfielders are instrumental for teams that aim to recycle possession and keep the ball. That's why kloop doesn't care about this because he doesn't play a possession based football.

Please before lashing out at individuals like that, you yourself have to be adequately informed about the topic on which you speak.

Unlimited22:


I've wanted FBS out since 2018, but based on this evidence, he can stay while we shore up our defence. He doesn't have good outputs,which is where my issue is, but he always puts up a good defensive shift. And he'll be a good bench option. Just not as a starter.

Lol but damn it, this is just irritating to read.
How many wingers you know wey sabi defend, are creative and scores goal all at once? How you dey take watch football sef? On radio? Smh.
A player even Lampard says he respects yet you wanted him out? I've you ever played football in your life, Mr. Limited?

Willian will start in any team and not just because he is faster than most players even at 32, he is a very good player. How many players are like that?
It's just that Willian would prefer to stay in London, otherwise I'd say he should look after himself and max whatever his options are for the future.

Ibime:


Go and tell this to Monaco fans who want to chase him with sticks and stones. They will soon chase him to Ligue2. Every top club chased him away, now even farmers league want to chase him.

We are in 2020 and the nigga has been a bench warmer since 2015, and some mumu will still be thinking that is what Chelsea needs.

Same mumu that was defending Mikels right to be a starter at Chelsea when every manager has benched him since 2012. The same escort who you thought should be starting for Chelsea was chased to China where he relegated his team, to Championship to Turkish midtable to unemployment.

You know nothing about the defensive and possession side of midfield play, you just think someone throwing pass every now and then is good enough, when the same person will cost you two goals for every one he creates. Fabregas cannot defend, he cannot control midfield possession except against powderpuff opposition, he gets dispossessed easily in the press, and even if you think he is an AM, he cannot press or make up ground to join his attackers in big games. You are a monkey post analyst.

I don't have enough ammunition to fight this fabregas slander now.I will be back later

airmark:


Rudiger was/is and will always be a kponkpon defender. He is not meant for Chelsea's standard. He should be playing for Norwich.
Thank God, Lampard has put him where he belongs, while we shop for a better replacement for next season.

Rudiger should be employed as one of our scouts. It's appalling that this embarrassment of a defender, is who some touted as our best defender.

All these gifs are useless. There is no defender in the world who doesn't make errors. Only a beer parlour analyst like you would be bringing gifs to prove how a defender is poor.
I could just as well counter you with gifs or Rudiger making crucial tackles, head clearances and goal line clearances. The internet is filled with whatever particular content you want.

I have already pointed out to you how Rudiger played a crucial role in Germany winning the confederations cup and how a stable partnership between himself and Luiz gave us the third best defense in the league only for you to resort to posting a random Gif of him making an error. I could decide to flood here with errors of Ramos, John Terry, vidic and other top defenders. It doesn't mean they were terribly poor, it just shows that everybody makes a mistake.

timbros:


I wish I can like this post a thousand times.

Watch how fans will crucify this same Zouma tomorrow if he makes a single mistake.

Our impatience as fans here is something else!

Imagine! Fab4/Costa combination that delivered our last EPL trophy... Na the same Fabregas we dey rubbish here now. Na wao.

The way many of you people here use this word in terms of trophies annoys me.

What do you mean?

Na from bench Fabregas dey deliver trophy?


Where were Kante, Luiz, Hazard etc when Costa and Fabregas were delivering this trophy?

donjazet:


All these gifs are useless. There is no defender in the world who doesn't make errors. Only a beer parlour analyst like you would be bringing gifs to prove how a defender is proof.
I could just as well counter you with gifs or Rudiger making crucial tackles, head clearances and goal line clearances. The internet is filled with whatever particular content you want.

I have already pointed out to you how Rudiger played a crucial role in Germany winning the confederation cup and how a stable partnership between himself and Luiz gave us the third best defense in the league only for you to resort to posting a random Gif of him making an error. I could decide to flood here with errors of [b]Ramos, John Terry, vidic [/b]and other top defenders. It doesn't mean they were terribly poor, it just shows that everybody makes a mistake.

These are defenders at 27, with individual awards to back their performances up. A robotic Rudiger should never be mentioned among those greats.

Rudiger should go to Arsenal, where mediocrity is hailed. He shouldn't be given the role to lead our defence at Chelsea. We have standards here and thank God Lampard is doing the needful and not listening to ignorants like you.

You can't be making school boy's errors at world stage and be classed, a great defender. Chelsea need great defenders not half-baked ones like Rudiger, costing the team heavily with his brain farts.

I know you like mediocrity, i don't.

airmark:


That's what poor analysts call breaking a stubborn defence with dribbling skills. With time, you will understand football.

So you agree that you are a poor analyst then?

Ibime:


How old was Fabregas when he became a perennial bench fodder from 2016. His mate are still running midfield for Madrid and the likes. He never had legs. He was found out as an easy man to press halfway through our title run in 2014/15. He has been the same since he was a teenager. Nothing to do with age. He was a structural liability since youth. Jorginho is young now and still doesn't have legs.

You are still the same man on another day during your usual hazard insult that will tell us that it was Fabregas and Costa that already won us the trophy by December, even though we were on same points with City on New year's day.

A40:
Let Madrid do mistake and win this league let me see the clown that will mention Hidden Shakushaku's 1 goal and 3 assists as "important contributions"

If they win it, he certainly played his part..
Madrid b4 Hazard were a club in turmoil. A year after signing Hazard, they are enroute to be crowned champions. It's not rocket science

sylvalord:
So you agree that you are a poor analyst then?

Typical scummy, comprehension is always a problem. Lana1, pls explain my post to your brother.

Greatihex:
You are still the same man on another during your usual hazard insult that will tell us that it was Fabregas and Costa that already won us the trophy by December, even though we were on same points with City on New year's day.

Sincerely i remembered ibime's position back then, that Fabregas and Costa won the title for us, not Hazard.

airmark:

These are defenders at 27, with individual awards to back their performances up. A Rudiger Rudiger should never be mentioned among those greats.

Rudiger should go to Arsenal, where mediocrity is hailed. He shouldn't be given the role to lead our defence at Chelsea. We have standards here and thank God Lampard is doing the needful and not listening to ignorants like you.
You can't be making school boy's errors at world stage and be classed as a great defender. Chelsea need great defenders not half-baked ones like Rudiger, costing the team heavily with his brain farts.

I know you like mediocrity, i don't.

Another very foolish post.

There is a difference between pragmatism and useless ranting.
You, tell me the so called "world class" defenders you think are readily available for us now?
You keep rambling and ranting about Rudiger and i am telling you that he is not a terrible defender, he just needs a good partner and stability. I have used his previous positive enactments to prove this to you. Have you also looked at his stats?
It is also good compared to the other defenders currently in the league.

You just keep yapping about Rudiger, it's not like you have a better solution.

airmark:


Rudiger was/is and will always be a kponkpon defender. He is not meant for Chelsea's standard. He should be playing for Norwich.

Thank God, Lampard has put him where he belongs, while we shop for a better replacement for next season.

Rudiger should be employed as one of our scouts. It's appalling that this embarrassment of a defender, is who some touted as our best defender.

School boy error there

Abeg I need gif of fabregas pass to Costa in the match against Leicester city 15/16

donjazet:


You are like a reckless and shameful gambler, one who hides his face in ignominy when his ticket cuts but will come out making noises when only 2 out of your 20 slips enter.
Except this time, you haven't even won and you are gallivanting around.
[s]
Rudiger is a good defender. No defender will perform optimally in a team like ours that is always been chopped and changed.
I recall him playing very well with Luiz under sarri. I usually reference sarri because, under him we played the most scintillating attacking football I have ever seen at Chelsea [/s]

I stopped reading at that point. The boring Sarriball with 1million back passes is what u call scintillating??
After the first few games of the season, the chain smoker was found out and he had no plan B. Chelsea's play has never been that boring, EVER. Even the 2015/2016 that was dreadful, we played better attacking football.

Scintillating must have surely been given a new meaning. It's a good tin we are all seeing the scintillating football Juve play since they signed Sarri.

donjazet:

Another very foolish post.

There is a difference between pragmatism and useless ranting.
You, tell me the so called "world class" defenders you think are readily available for us now?
You keep rambling and ranting about Rudiger and i am telling you that he is not a terrible defender, he just needs a good partner and stability. I have used his previous positive enactments to prove this to you. Have you also looked at his stats?
It is also good compared to the other defenders currently in the league.

You just keep yapping about Rudiger, it's not like you have a better solution.

Rudiger needs a partner to stop his brain farts?

So his partner would have shouted at him not to kick the ball to corner against West ham, instead of kicking it to a more convenient area?

His partner would teach him how to attack aerial balls?

He will teach him how to mark attacker's stronger leg?

He will teach him how not to jump into a ball and get dribbled?

Did VVD, Koulibaly, Dias, Dunk etc, need a good partner before top clubs chased them?

You are insane.

A response was required from the team and it was delivered emphatically. I'm happy we played well. Kudos to Barkley, should have been man of the match. He was everywhere.
Mount was good too and Kante is still the president.
Willian, well, he has always been Willian. Very serious with his football. Contract or not, he has served the team well.

I can name countless of midfielders that can throw the flying tackles here and there,block anything blockable but how many can guarantee you accurate passes week in week out like fabregas does?

Not even ozil or kdb will do that

airmark:


Rudiger needs a partner to stop his brain farts?

So his partner would have shouted at him not to kick the ball to corner against West ham, instead of kicking it to a more convenient area?

His partner would teach him how to attack aerial balls?

He will teach him how to mark attacker's stronger leg?

He will teach him how not to jump into a ball and get dribbled?

Did VVD, Koulibaly, Dias, Dunk etc, need a good partner before top clubs chased them?

You are insane.

Rudiger at 27 needs an experienced partner to teach him the very basics of defending?? Very funny something...

It's just like Arsenal fans saying they need a top CB to be paired with Mustafi for his comical defending to stop when everyone knows Mustafi would still make his normal mistakes even if he is paired with prime Baresi..

popizaino:





School boy error there

Abeg I need gif of fabregas pass to Costa in the match against Leicester city 15/16

I was like wtf?

thorrvik55:


I stopped reading at that point. The boring Sarriball with 1million back passes is what u call scintillating??
After the first few games of the season, the chain smoker was found out and he had no plan B. Chelsea's play has never been that boring, EVER. Even the 2015/2016 that was dreadful, we played better attacking football.

Scintillating must have surely been given a new meaning. It's a good tin we are all seeing the scintillating football Juve play since they signed Sarri.

Don't blame us .
Some of us didn't get to see Chelsea under ancelloti in 09/10

thorrvik55:


Rudiger at 27 needs an experienced partner to teach him the very basics of defending?? Very funny something...

It's just like Arsenal fans saying they need a top CB to be paired with Mustafi for his comical defending to stop when everyone knows Mustafi would still make his normal mistakes even if he is paired with prime Baresi..

Imagine at 27.

I can even list epl defenders in Mings, Coady, Egan, Soyuncu, that will send the calamitous Rudiger to the bench at Chelsea.

thorrvik55:


I stopped reading at that point. The boring Sarriball with 1million back passes is what u call scintillating??
After the first few games of the season, the chain smoker was found out and he had no plan B. Chelsea's play has never been that boring, EVER. Even the 2015/2016 that was dreadful, we played better attacking football.

Scintillating must have surely been given a new meaning. It's a good tin we are all seeing the scintillating football Juve play since they signed Sarri.

Another word for donjazet is, Mediocrity.

thorrvik55:


I stopped reading at that point. The boring Sarriball with 1million back passes is what u call scintillating??
After the first few games of the season, the chain smoker was found out and he had no plan B. Chelsea's play has never been that boring, EVER. Even the 2015/2016 that was dreadful, we played better attacking football.

Scintillating must have surely been given a new meaning. It's a good tin we are all seeing the scintillating football Juve play since they signed Sarri.

It is your type that are inimical to a clubs growth. Your type who without the benefit of hindsight make rash judgements and decisions.

I'm sure that if you were a Liverpool fan, you would have called for jurgen kloop's sacking after his first season where he didn't qualify for Europe or the second where he barely made it and even lost a lot of finals.

There are coaches who need time to fully implement their structure and pattern on their teams and at the same time develop major players along the way.
Sarri was one of such, we could see glimpses of his vision in our games initially and it was good.

We ended the season in 2 major finals and finished with the 3rd best defense in the league. So, one could say there was even progress made, considering the fact that we went trophyless the season before and didn't qualify for UCL.

But your type who are perennially impatient and have slow memories would rather believe he was a failure.

donjazet:


It is your type that are inimical to a clubs growth. Your type who without the benefit of hindsight make rash judgements and decisions.

I'm sure that if you were a Liverpool fan, you would have called for jurgen kloop's sacking after his first season where he didn't qualify for Europe or the second where he barely made it and even lost a lot of finals.

There are coaches who need time to fully implement their structure and pattern on their teams and at the same time develop major players along the way.
Sarri was one of such, we could see glimpses of his vision in our games initially and it was good.

We ended the season in 2 major finals and finished with the 3rd best defense in the league. So, one could say there was even progress made, considering the fact that we went trophyless the season before and didn't qualify for UCL.

But your type who are perennially impatient and have slow memories would rather believe he was a failure.

Tell us his achievement s with Napoli that he had all the time in the world to fully implement his style with ?

airmark:


Another word for donjazet is, Mediocrity.

Everybody here knows that you are the most stupid, half-baked beer parlour analyst here.

Your shambolic record is there for all to see. What happened to the kryowiach, bellotti, coquelin and others who you touted as world beaters.

You will be making noise and be chest beating like a gorilla. Try to sound sensible for once.

popizaino:
I can name countless of midfielders that can throw the flying tackles here and there,block anything blockable but how many can guarantee you accurate passes week in week out like fabregas does?

Not even ozil or kdb will do that

KDB and fabregas in the same sentence

KDB's also tackles so...

popizaino:






Don't blame us .
Some of us didn't get to see Chelsea under ancelloti in 09/10

The nincompoop said Sarri played the most scintillating attacking football he ever saw in Chelsea.

No wonder Rudiger is great in his mumu eyes.

popizaino:




Don't blame us .
Some of us didn't get to see Chelsea under ancelloti in 09/10

I saw this and while it was nice, it was more like Liverpool today. A counter attacking team that was very direct just as he later did with Madrid.

But with sarri, you could see that for the first time we could have a good team structure that will be able to possess the ball efficiently and also create chances from all over the pitch, from defense to attack. This was unique for us.

I am not here to glorify sarri but incase you haven't noticed, I don't join the bandwagon in making my decisions.
I am picking the positives from last year but wholly condemning it as all of you would choose to do.

donjazet:


It is your type that are inimical to a clubs growth. Your type who without the benefit of hindsight make rash judgements and decisions.

I'm sure that if you were a Liverpool fan, you would have called for jurgen kloop's sacking after his first season where he didn't qualify for Europe or the second where he barely made it and even lost a lot of finals.

There are coaches who need time to fully implement their structure and pattern on their teams and at the same time develop major players along the way.
Sarri was one of such, we could see glimpses of his vision in our games initially and it was good.

We ended the season in 2 major finals and finished with the 3rd best defense in the league. So, one could say there was even progress made, considering the fact that we went trophyless the season before and didn't qualify for UCL.

But your type who are perennially impatient and have slow memories would rather believe he was a failure.

Lol.. You've changed the narrative. I guess you realized u goofed by making the statement below. You probably didn't think it through

donjazet:


I usually reference sarri because, under him we played the most scintillating attacking football I have ever seen at Chelsea

thorrvik55:


Lol.. You've changed the narrative. I guess you realized u goofed by making the statement below. You probably didn't think it through

I didn't change any narrative. You chose to understand my post the way you saw fit.

Go back to that post and you will see that I also stated the duration where we played so beautifully.

At a point, we had the longest unbeaten streak in Europe. I guess you've forgotten that.
I am responsible form post, how you choose to interpret it is left to you.

Some Chelsea fans no sabi ball I swear

- Jorginho good player

- Chelsea under Sarri played the best attacking football ( make Anceloti catch you)

- Rudiger @ 27 needs a good partner to stop making individual errors

Edopesin:


KDB and fabregas in the same sentence

KDB's also tackles so...

I get it kdb is probably the new kid on the bloc so his abilities are still very fresh in your memory but sorry to disappoint you those of us who don't forget easily remember fabregas as well doing even better than this those times against tougher opponent than kdb ever faced.