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Re: Man City Showed "Blatant Disregard" To UEFA But Didn't Break FFP Rules - CAS by delvinmayan: 2:27pm On Jul 29, 2020
Mtola8:
It ain't it bro, so many clubs arent happy cause they have being restricted and have always considered FFP even at the detriment of the clubs growth.

Some clubs have to sell their best players to balance the book while others have to sign cheaper players, some clubs couldn't get their preferred player cause they feel getting him will mean they have breached FFP.

So many clubs(Roma, Sevilla, Dortmund, even Barcelona needs to sell presently before buying) will start breaking the rule and at such will only be fined!! They will prefer being fined than losing their best players or targeted player.
You are quite wrong. FFP is all about spending what you earn. Most clubs spend regardless and incur debt which is what FFP really should be about. To understand better, you need to understand amortization.

Most clubs you mentioned have been affected by Covid 19, not FFP. The deal Barcelona did with Juventus regarding the exchange of Arthur and Pjanic should tell you all you need to know as well.
Re: Man City Showed "Blatant Disregard" To UEFA But Didn't Break FFP Rules - CAS by Mtola8: 2:58pm On Jul 29, 2020
delvinmayan:
You are quite wrong. FFP is all about spending what you earn. Most clubs spend regardless and incur debt which is what FFP really should be about. To understand better, you need to understand amortization.

Most clubs you mentioned have been affected by Covid 19, not FFP. The deal Barcelona did with Juventus regarding the exchange of Arthur and Pjanic should tell you all you need to know as well.
You only read to reply!!
Barcelona needs to offload one of there top players(coutinho/dembele) in other to buy another top player, Chelsea haven't being on signing spree in a long time cause they need to sell before or after buying. They are only able to sign big this time cause of the hazard sale, morata and other fringe players. Also cause of the transfer ban.

I know all about FFP, teams like Roma has being affected badly. Seeing the penalty for breaching the rule is a fine, most clubs will breach it and happily get fined.

Arsenal were also unable to renew the contract of Ramsey cause of wage bill
Re: Man City Showed "Blatant Disregard" To UEFA But Didn't Break FFP Rules - CAS by Cityfirstborn(m): 3:05pm On Jul 29, 2020
Mtola8:
You only read to reply!!
Barcelona needs to offload one of there top players(coutinho/dembele) in other to buy another top player, Chelsea haven't being on signing spree in a long time cause they need to sell before or after buying. They are only able to sign big this time cause of the hazard sale, morata and other fringe players. Also cause of the transfer ban.

I know all about FFP, teams like Roma has being affected badly. Seeing the penalty for breaching the rule is a fine, most clubs will breach it and happily get fined.

Arsenal were also unable to renew the contract of Ramsey cause of wage bill
Always stick to what you know, Cas said man city didn't breach any Ffp, they were only fined because they didn't cooperate with Uefa during the investigation, of which if I am in man city position I won't cooperate cos uefa didn't give them a fair hearing and were basing their allegation on a mere leaked mail which is inadmissible in court...FFP is a hoax and a plan by the traditional elite team to stop the growth of emerging clubs...if I buy a club there is no way I will not invest provided I follow the right channel for it.
Re: Man City Showed "Blatant Disregard" To UEFA But Didn't Break FFP Rules - CAS by Tobechuckwu(m): 3:14pm On Jul 29, 2020
Mtola8:
It ain't it bro, so many clubs arent happy cause they have being restricted and have always considered FFP even at the detriment of the clubs growth.

Some clubs have to sell their best players to balance the book while others have to sign cheaper players, some clubs couldn't get their preferred player cause they feel getting him will mean they have breached FFP.

So many clubs(Roma, Sevilla, Dortmund, even Barcelona needs to sell presently before buying) will start breaking the rule and at such will only be fined!! They will prefer being fined than losing their best players or targeted player.
I think u are wrong on this bro. Barca didn't sell any of their best player oooo, Coutinho wasn't useful in Barça lineup, he had on loan. Who did they sell to buy Antonio Greizman? Arthur deal was an exchange nd he wasn't that useful to Barça. They spent over 350m euros on 3 players alone, UEFA will never see that oooo.
Dortmund is a selling team we all know that nd they made big profit on Dembele.
UEFA is biased towards Man City that's the truth. Real Madrid nd Barça started this stuff way back, but who's UEFA to fine them.
Do u know how much Man Utd had spent for the past seasons? What about Liverpool?
Go nd check top 20 most expensive players, u will get to know that just one of them is from Man City.
Re: Man City Showed "Blatant Disregard" To UEFA But Didn't Break FFP Rules - CAS by Mtola8: 3:25pm On Jul 29, 2020
Tobechuckwu:
I think u are wrong on this bro. Barca didn't sell any of their best player oooo, Coutinho wasn't useful in Barça lineup, he had on loan. Who did they sell to buy Antonio Greizman? Arthur deal was an exchange nd he wasn't that useful to Barça. They spent over 350m euros on 3 players alone, UEFA will never see that oooo.
Dortmund is a selling team we all know that nd they made big profit on Dembele.
UEFA is biased towards Man City that's the truth. Real Madrid nd Barça started this stuff way back, but who's UEFA to fine them.
Do u know how much Man Utd had spent for the past seasons? What about Liverpool?
Go nd check top 20 most expensive players, u will get to know that just one of them is from Man City.
They invested Neymar's money to get coutinho and dembele. They sold Malcom and got few cash for coutinho's loan which cover De jong's fee. They might have also being selling some of their youth players which doesn't make headlines.
Mancity never bought one player for a huge fee but if you check all their signings, it turns out they spent more. Spent like 250Million £ on their defence alone.
Re: Man City Showed "Blatant Disregard" To UEFA But Didn't Break FFP Rules - CAS by Mtola8: 3:27pm On Jul 29, 2020
Cityfirstborn:
Always stick to what you know, Cas said man city didn't breach any Ffp, they were only fined because they didn't cooperate with Uefa during the investigation, of which if I am in man city position I won't cooperate cos uefa didn't give them a fair hearing and were basing their allegation on a mere leaked mail which is inadmissible in court...FFP is a hoax and a plan by the traditional elite team to stop the growth of emerging clubs...if I buy a club there is no way I will not invest provided I follow the right channel for it.
Read and you would see where they said UEFA didn't have enough proof and as that mancity were fined for not Cooperating at first.
Re: Man City Showed "Blatant Disregard" To UEFA But Didn't Break FFP Rules - CAS by PrinzJaay: 9:30pm On Jul 29, 2020
Slawormir:
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Re: Man City Showed "Blatant Disregard" To UEFA But Didn't Break FFP Rules - CAS by Elsiedaniels(f): 10:07pm On Jul 29, 2020
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Re: Man City Showed "Blatant Disregard" To UEFA But Didn't Break FFP Rules - CAS by delvinmayan: 1:03am On Jul 30, 2020
Mtola8:
You only read to reply!!
Barcelona needs to offload one of there top players(coutinho/dembele) in other to buy another top player, Chelsea haven't being on signing spree in a long time cause they need to sell before or after buying. They are only able to sign big this time cause of the hazard sale, morata and other fringe players. Also cause of the transfer ban.

I know all about FFP, teams like Roma has being affected badly. Seeing the penalty for breaching the rule is a fine, most clubs will breach it and happily get fined.

Arsenal were also unable to renew the contract of Ramsey cause of wage bill
Bros, calm down. Your assertion is wrong. Clubs made over £500 million profit last season and UEFA points to FFP as being the catalyst. One thing you don't understand is how accounting for clubs work. It's evident in what you have said here. Any club can get any player they want provided they have the funds. Herein lies the problem, on their books, they amortize the player's fee, depending on how much they spent to sign the player. Essentially they spread the .Oney over the amount of years the player signs the contract they offer him. Meaning they can beat FFP, question is where they get the money from as FFP dictates that buying a player, you must pay the full amount. So such clubs go into debt, borrowing such money. Which brings me to the Barcelona issue, they do not need to sell to fund new players. They have actually spent a lot and are looking to taking an 800 million Euro loan. Selling Coutinho, they won't get more than 50 million and as it is, his contract years is winding down, so how do they recoup to spend big again. Same goes for Dembele. Which is why I mentioned the deal of them selling Arthur and buying Pjanic. Cooking their books. And they probably won't be fined for it cos it's not against FFP.

On Chelsea not going on a spending spree, you are dead wrong. But I am not going to argue with you. About Ramsey, every club has its wage bill and PL rules only allow a certain amount of increment in it. Arsenal can afford to give him whatever wages he wanted but was he worth it? Ozil is a perfect example of giving huge wages to players in Arsenal.

Now to FFP being just a fine, you are also dead wrong. City was punished in 2014 if I recall with a fine and a reduced matchday squad, Galatasaray were banned for a season in 2016, Trabzonspor were also banned. Any club willing to test FFP can go ahead, but know that City proved they were innocent
Re: Man City Showed "Blatant Disregard" To UEFA But Didn't Break FFP Rules - CAS by afolayan22(m): 6:29am On Jul 30, 2020
ogbiwa:
Manchester City showed a "blatant disregard" to Uefa's investigation into potential Financial Fair Play (FFP) breaches, says the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas), even though it found "no conclusive evidence that they disguised funding from their owner as sponsorship".

Last month, Cas overturned City's two-year ban from European competition and the club's fine was also cut from 30m euros (£26.9m) to 10m euros.

While City were criticised for a "severe breach" by failing to co-operate with Uefa, the club did provide Cas with all of the emails that had formed the basis of Uefa's charges.

Cas' written findings said the panel found "no adverse inferences" could be drawn from City's failure to produce evidence.

The club said it co-operated "in the face of a shifting and still unparticularised case involving allegations of fraud and conspiracy" and the reason Uefa knew about the disputed transactions is because the club co-operated and "explained those transactions in great detail".

The club added it was not required to comply with every demand made of them by Uefa, just those "proper" and "reasonable" requests that were "relevant" to decision-making.

Earlier this month, Cas overturned the two-year ban, saying that most of the alleged breaches of FFP rules were either not established or time-barred.

The club were however punished for failing to cooperate with Uefa's process after failing to provide substantial amounts of evidence until they took the case before Cas.

Uefa began its investigation into City after German newspaper Der Spiegel published leaked documents in November 2018 alleging City had inflated the value of a sponsorship deal, misleading European football's governing body.

Reports alleged City - who have always denied wrongdoing - deliberately misled Uefa so they could meet FFP rules requiring clubs to break even.

"The panel is of the view that Uefa by no means filed frivolous charges against City but based on the evidence the panel cannot reach the conclusion that disguised funding was paid to City," the report, released on Tuesday, said.

It added: "City's failure to co-operate with the investigation is a severe breach and City are to be seriously reproached."

The documents also reveal that in March 2020 nine Premier League clubs filed an application for intervention to Cas "opposing any possible application by City" to be allowed to play in Europe next season pending an appeal decision. This was before the Cas hearing.

However, as City never made such an application, it was never processed. The nine Premier League clubs who made the application were Arsenal, Burnley, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man United, Newcastle, Tottenham and Wolves.

In its report, Cas said Uefa maintained the club "on countless occasions refused to answer questions, refused to provide documents, refused to arrange for the attendance of requested persons and - ultimately - it even instructed its own expert witness not to answer specific questions".

However, Cas said it only found two specific requests in which City failed to comply with its duty of co-operation.

Uefa said the case represented "the most serious, sophisticated, deliberate and fundamental attempt to circumvent and violate basic financial fair play principles". It said the "attitude of the club" should also be considered, given it gave "demonstrably incorrect information and continues to change its explanations".

It added the "evidence on record is overwhelming" and consists of the Football Leaks Documents and accounting evidence.

However, Cas said the burden of proof lay with the governing body and the majority of its panel found Uefa did not satisfy such burden.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53571659

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