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Walk with GOD while you're still alive in order to get the Heavenly recognition before you transit to the other realm of eternity because once any man dies, that is the end of mercy and grace.

Don't think when a man dies and anybody starts praying over his dead body that GOD should grant him a place in Heaven when all he laboured for while on earth was to make it to Hell.

The mercy any dead can get is for them to walk with GOD while they're still alive, for if they have a separation with GOD while they're alive, Hell is their abode once they die because they will have separation with GOD when they die as well.

So praying for the dead to get GOD'S mercy after they die, meanwhile when they're alive they don't know GOD is a waste of time. Such prayers don't answer.

Because if they're not sealed by the HOLY SPIRIT, with the eternal life of JESUS CHRIST in them, it's useless praying for such to enter heaven.
Know the truth now, not later.

1 John 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

MistadeRegal:
Walk with GOD while you're still alive in order to get the Heavenly recognition before you transit to the other realm of eternity because once any man dies, that is the end of mercy and grace.

Don't think when a man dies and anybody starts praying over his dead body that GOD should grant him a place in Heaven when all he laboured for while on earth was to make it to Hell.

Eternity comes through Jesus Christ.... He is eternal life itself. And before Jesus Christ, the Old Covenant law applied to those who were descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. So, where in the bible does it suggest that ALL of Mankind has eternity bestowed on them from before the arrival of Jesus Christ?
Also, did Jesus Christ promise eternal life then to all of mankind or just to those who accept Him?

Kobojunkie:
Eternity comes through Jesus Christ.... He is eternal life itself. And before Jesus Christ, the Old Covenant law applied to those who were descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. So, where in the bible does it suggest that ALL of Mankind has eternity bestowed on them from before the arrival of Jesus Christ?
Also, did Jesus Christ promise eternal life then to all of mankind or just to those who accept Him?

Can I ask you a question, what is the old convenant and the new convenant. you keep saying this things

delkuf:
Can I ask you a question, what is the old convenant and the new convenant. you keep saying this things

God made two contract agreements between Himself and men, and these agreements are documented in the Bible. They are at the center of His relationship with man.

OLD Covenant : This agreement is documented beginning from Exodus 17 through to Deuteronomy 30 where it is ratified between God and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, AND Jacob. No other people are included in this agreement, and the condition for obtaining the promise in this agreement is obedience.
The old Covenant came with a yoke of about 613 Commandments, about 20 blessings, more than 30 curses, a burden that is borne by every person in the land, and a promise of eternal life in the land of Canaan. Only those whose ancestors line go back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob could partake of this covenant. The seal of the Old Covenant was circumcision of the flesh.

Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20 (ERV)
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15. “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.
16. I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own.
17. But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen, if you are led away to worship and serve other gods,
18. you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.

19. “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live.
20. You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

This agreement is an everlasting agreement between God and the people of Israel (descendants of Abraham, Isaac, AND Jacob) - no other people/persons are covered under that agreement. Also It cannot be changed or done away with.

New Covenant : God Himself, through His Word(Jesus Christ), made yet another agreement with man. Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the New Covenant (The Grace and Truth of God), and only those who accept Him can partake of Him. The details of the New Covenant are found throughout the Gospels and are detailed in the Life examples, Teachings, and most importantly, WORDS(Truth) that is Jesus Christ. The condition for acceptance of this Covenant is also Obedience(God does not change).

This agreement comes with a yoke of about 46 commandments, each person carrying his own cross (burden, not someone else's), approximately 17 blessings, approximately 30 curses, and the promise of everlasting life beginning right here on earth, and eventual entry into the kingdom of God for those who make it. Every human being on the planet is eligible for this covenant, however, there are 7 commandments stipulated in other for one to truly "accept" Jesus Christ, the New Covenant. The seal of the New Covenant is God Himself, through His Spirit.

Compared to the Old Covenant, the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, comes with an easy yoke, and a light burden. And He, Jesus Christ, is gentile and humble at heart.

Matthew 11 vs 27-30 (ESV)
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27. All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28. Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

The details of the New Covenant were concluded when Jesus Christ said, on the cross, "It is finished". He gave us all the commandments that were considered part of the New Covenant, and what was left was the fulfillment of Prophecy to free mankind from the burden of sin and death, as well as ensure that His New Covenant reached my ears and your ears- His great commission set this in motion.
The Spirit of God, the seal, arrived approximately 4 months(120 days) later to fully ratify the New Covenant with man.

Ecclesiastes 9:4

For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion."

Kobojunkie:
God made two contract agreements between Himself and men, and these agreements are documented in the Bible. They are at the center of His relationship with man.

OLD Covenant : This agreement is documented beginning from Exodus 17 through to Deuteronomy 30 where it is ratified between God and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, AND Jacob. No other people are included in this agreement, and the condition for obtaining the promise in this agreement is obedience.
The old Covenant came with a yoke of about 613 Commandments, about 20 blessings, more than 30 curses, a burden that is borne by every person in the land, and a promise of eternal life in the land of Canaan. Only those whose ancestors line go back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob could partake of this covenant. The seal of the Old Covenant was circumcision of the flesh.

This agreement is an everlasting agreement between God and the people of Israel (descendants of Abraham, Isaac, AND Jacob) - no other people/persons are covered under that agreement. Also It cannot be changed or done away with.

New Covenant : God Himself, through His Word(Jesus Christ), made yet another agreement with man. Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the New Covenant (The Grace and Truth of God), and only those who accept Him can partake of Him. The details of the New Covenant are found throughout the Gospels and are detailed in the Life examples, Teachings, and most importantly, WORDS(Truth) that is Jesus Christ. The condition for acceptance of this Covenant is also Obedience(God does not change).

This agreement comes with a yoke of about 46 commandments, each person carrying his own cross (burden, not someone else's), approximately 17 blessings, approximately 30 curses, and the promise of everlasting life beginning right here on earth, and eventual entry into the kingdom of God for those who make it. Every human being on the planet is eligible for this covenant, however, there are 7 commandments stipulated in other for one to truly "accept" Jesus Christ, the New Covenant. The seal of the New Covenant is God Himself, through His Spirit.

Compared to the Old Covenant, the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, comes with an easy yoke, and a light burden. And He, Jesus Christ, is gentile and humble at heart.

The details of the New Covenant were concluded when Jesus Christ said, on the cross, "It is finished". He gave us all the commandments that were considered part of the New Covenant, and what was left was the fulfillment of Prophecy to free mankind from the burden of sin and death, as well as ensure that His New Covenant reached my ears and your ears- His great commission set this in motion.
The Spirit of God, the seal, arrived approximately 4 months(120 days) later to fully ratify the New Covenant with man.

Where in the Bible is the 76 commandment of the new convenant stated and 17 blessings and 30 curses. And do you know through the Christ we are descendants of Abraham

delkuf:
Where in the Bible is the 76 commandment of the new convenant stated and 17 blessings and 30 curses.

There are about 46, not 76 commandments. As I mentioned, the Covenant is embodied in the life, teaching and words of Jesus Christ. So if you read the book of Matthew, beginning from chapter 5 through to Matthew 27 vs 50(where Jesus dies), you should find the information you seek.
Below are some of the new Covenant blessings

Matthew 5 vs 2-11 (ESV)
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2. And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
3. “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4. “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5. “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
6. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7. “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons[a] of God.
10. “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11. “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Below are some of the curses/woes included..

Matthew 23 vs 13-27
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13. “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.[d]
15. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell[e] as yourselves.
16. “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’
17. You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred?
18. And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ 19. You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20. So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21. And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it.
22. And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.
23. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.
24. You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
25. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.
27. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.
28. So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous,
30. saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’
31. Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
32. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers.
33. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?
34. Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town,
35. so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,[f] whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.
36. Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

delkuf:
And do you know through the Christ we are descendants of Abraham

You will have to show me where God said this, or where Jesus Christ stated this. After all, if this were true, it should be included in the details of the New Covenant that He embodied, should it not?

delkuf:
Where in the Bible is the 76 commandment of the new convenant stated and 17 blessings and 30 curses. And do you know through the Christ we are descendants of Abraham

Here are the 7 commandments for accepting Jesus Christ, the New Covenant.

Obedience is the key into the Kingdom of God. Acceptance means obedience to His commandments. No one can become a follower of Jesus Christ simply by wishing for it. Jesus required that those who choose to follow Him do the work that He commands they first do i.e. Obey that which He has stipulated. The New Covenant, Jesus Christ, is the Grace and Truth of God that God sent you, and Obedience is the key!

1. Be prepared to abandon parents, brother, sister, children, spouse, in-laws, e.t.c.
2. Abandon all that you know/believe, have, and all that you are
3. Bear your own burden (not someone else's cross- not even your family's or children's)

Matthew 10 vs 34-39
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34. “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace. I came to bring trouble.[h]
35. I have come to make this happen:
‘A son will turn against his father.
A daughter will turn against her mother.
A daughter-in-law will turn against her mother-in-law.
36. Even members of your own family will be your enemies.’
37. “Those who love their father or mother more than they love me are not worthy of me. And those who love their son or daughter more than they love me are not worthy of me.
38. Those who will not accept the cross that is given to them when they follow me are not worthy of me.
39. Those who try to keep the life they have will lose it. But those who give up their life for me will find true life.

4. Become a child again in your thinking and your actions

Matthew 14 vs 23-24
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23. Then he said, “The truth is, you must change your thinking and become like little children. If you don’t do this, you will never enter God’s kingdom.
24. The greatest person in God’s kingdom is the one who makes himself humble like this child.

5. Be prepared to lose life(reputation, career, control, property, etc.)

Matthew 16 vs 24-27
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24. Then Jesus said to his followers, “If any of you want to be my follower, you must stop thinking about yourself and what you want. You must be willing to carry the cross that is given to you for following me.
25. Any of you who try to save the life you have will lose it. But you who give up your life for me will find true life.
26. It is worth nothing for you to have the whole world if you yourself are lost. You could never pay enough to buy back your life.
27. The Son of Man will come again with his Father’s glory and with his angels. And he will reward everyone for what they have done.

6. Desire above all to find and enter the Kingdom of God and also walk the path of righteousness, with God as your guide every step
7. Let go of all control you have over your life and circumstances, allowing God to take care of your every need

Matthew 6 vs 25-34
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25. “So I tell you, don’t worry about the things you need to live—what you will eat, drink, or wear. Life is more important than food, and the body is more important than what you put on it.
26. Look at the birds. They don’t plant, harvest, or save food in barns, but your heavenly Father feeds them. Don’t you know you are worth much more than they are?
27. You cannot add any time to your life by worrying about it.
28. “And why do you worry about clothes? Look at the wildflowers in the field. See how they grow. They don’t work or make clothes for themselves.
29. But I tell you that even Solomon, the great and rich king, was not dressed as beautifully as one of these flowers.
30. If God makes what grows in the field so beautiful, what do you think he will do for you? It’s just grass—one day it’s alive, and the next day someone throws it into a fire. But God cares enough to make it beautiful. Surely he will do much more for you. Your faith is so small!
31. “Don’t worry and say, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’
32. That’s what those people who don’t know God are always thinking about. Don’t worry, because your Father in heaven knows that you need all these things.
33. What you should want most is God’s kingdom and doing what he wants you to do. Then he will give you all these other things you need.
34. So don’t worry about tomorrow. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Tomorrow will have its own worries.

Kobojunkie:
Here are the 7 commandments for accepting Jesus Christ, the New Covenant.

Obedience is the key into the Kingdom of God. Acceptance means obedience to His commandments. No one can become a follower of Jesus Christ simply by wishing for it. Jesus required that those who choose to follow Him do the work that He commands they first do i.e. Obey that which He has stipulated. The New Covenant, Jesus Christ, is the Grace and Truth of God that God sent you, and Obedience is the key!

1. Be prepared to abandon parents, brother, sister, children, spouse, in-laws, e.t.c.
2. Abandon all that you know/believe, have, and all that you are
3. Bear your own burden (not someone else's cross- not even your family's or children's)


4. Become a child again in your thinking and your actions

5. Be prepared to lose life(reputation, career, control, property, etc.)



6. Desire above all to find and enter the Kingdom of God and also walk the path of righteousness, with God as your guide every step
7. Let go of all control you have over your life and circumstances, allowing God to take care of your every need

Which Bible translation are you using. And you interpreted this list as the Lord Jesus Christ commandment

delkuf:
Which Bible translation are you using.

I believe these are from ERV since it is written in common English language as used today.

delkuf:
And you interpreted this list as the Lord Jesus Christ commandment

What do you mean?
Are you referring to this command"So I tell you, don’t worry about the things you need to live—what you will eat, drink, or wear. Life is more important than food, and the body is more important than what you put on it."?
Or this command "What you should want most is God’s kingdom and doing what he wants you to do. Then he will give you all these other things you need."?
Or any of the others in between?

Kobojunkie:
I believe these are from ERV since it is written in common English language as used today.
What do you mean?

All this things you wrote, the Lord Jesus Christ didn't say they are commandment. It is you that is tagging it as a commandment. And I have problem that of the not bringing peace but trouble. that word trouble is not appropriate. I use to read the new living translation but there was lot of misinterpretation. So I stop Reading it. And Bible translation apart from King James version is nothing. Write that same Bible verse in King James version you will see it is a whole different thing. One piece of advice, stop reading erv, nlt version of the Bible

delkuf:
All this things you wrote, the Lord Jesus Christ didn't say they are commandment. It is you that is tagging it as a commandment. And I have problem that of the not bringing peace but trouble. that word trouble is not appropriate. I use to read the new living translation but there was lot of misinterpretation. So I stop Reading it. And Bible translation apart from King James version is nothing. Write that same Bible verse in King James version you will see it is a whole different thing. One piece of advice, stop reading erv, nlt version of the Bible

A better advice is that you learn that language evolves over time, but the word of God does not change with language. You are reading from King James because you were probably one of those fed the lie that it is an accurate translation or something. But King James is not exempt as far as errors and mistakes in the translations of the words of men contained in it.
That said, this is the same passage pulled from the King James translation

Matthew 6 vs 25-34
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25. Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
26. Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
27. Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
28. And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29. And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
31. Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32. (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Notice that the commands are still there...

Kobojunkie:
A better advice is that you learn that language evolves over time, but the word of God does not change with language. You are reading from King James because you were probably one of those fed the lie that it is an accurate translation or something. But King James is not exempt as far as errors and mistakes in the translations of the words of men contained in it.
That said, this is the same passage pulled from the King James translation

Notice that the commands are still there...

Am not saying that King James version is totally correct, but at least is better compare to this version you are reading. let's take up. Write that passage of the Bible where erv said that Jesus has not come to bring peace but trouble, write the version of King James and let's see the difference

delkuf:
Am not saying that King James version is totally correct, but at least is better compare to this version you are reading. let's take up.

No it isn't better to compare in anyway. As long as you have books written by human hands, there will always be errors in its translations - even in reading what is written, many are bound to unconsciously insert their personal delusions/ideas(they call it "special interpretation" between the lines. The Spirit of God does not give any type of "special interpretation" as far as even the Bible is concerned and there is no scripture to back up that claim.

Since the book is written and present in Human language, What I have found as best practise, as is same with any other book out there, is to pick the translation that is in the language you are best able to comprehend, and try to let the book read itself to you, rather than you reading extra meanings into what is written.

delkuf:
Write that passage of the Bible where erv said that Jesus has not come to bring peace but trouble, write the version of King James and let's see the difference

ok

Matthew 10 vs 34-39
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34. “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

So, do you notice any difference?

Kobojunkie:
No it isn't better to compare in anyway. As long as you have books written by human hands, there will always be errors in its translations - even in reading what is written, many are bound to unconsciously insert their personal delusions/ideas(they call it "special interpretation" between the lines. The Spirit of God does not give any type of "special interpretation" as far as even the Bible is concerned and there is no scripture to back up that claim.

Since the book is written and present in Human language, What I have found as best practise, as is same with any other book out there, is to pick the translation that is in the language you are best able to comprehend, and try to let the book read itself to you, rather than you reading extra meanings into what is written.
ok
So, do you notice any difference?

You see the Lord Jesus Christ cannot bring trouble. And the Bible is not the same as any other book. This is where I don't believe you

Brachaa, I know you want to defend your brother

delkuf:
You see the Lord Jesus Christ cannot bring trouble. And the Bible is not the same as any other book. This is where I don't believe you

Can you please expand on what you are saying there?

delkuf:
Brachaa, I know you want to defend your brother

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How was your day?

Brachaa:
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How was your day?

My day was good. All thanks to God

Kobojunkie:
Can you please expand on what you are saying there?

Explain what. That the Bible is not the same as other book or what

delkuf:
Explain what. That the Bible is not the same as other book or what

What in the world? If your mind cannot handle that the book is written in human language and is to be comprehended the same way you would any other book written in human language, then fine. That is what I know to be my truth. The point is those who tell you there are special interpretations as far as human language is concerned are liars and decievers all.

That said, you asked me to quote the same verses in the King James Version for you to see if the commandments are the same. So, what is your verdict? Did the commandments change or something?

Kobojunkie:
What in the world? If your mind cannot handle that the book is written in human language and is to be comprehended the same way you would any other book written in human language, then fine. That is what I know to be my truth. The point is those who tell you there are special interpretations as far as human language is concerned are liars and decievers all.

That said, you asked me to quote the same verses in the King James Version for you to see if the commandments are the same. So, what is your verdict? Did the commandments change or something?

Do you want it to be written in arabic before you know that it is not the same as other book. It may be written in human language and by humans, but it is not the same as other books. My verdict is that the Lord Jesus Christ did not bring trouble. King James version said sword. I will not agree that the Lord Jesus Christ brings trouble to the world, no.

delkuf:
My verdict is that the Lord Jesus Christ did not bring trouble. King James version said sword. I will not agree that the Lord Jesus Christ brings trouble to the world, no.

So anyone who does not come in Peace, and brings a sword, did not bring trouble? OK.

So what about the actual commandments that He stipulated? what about those?

Kobojunkie:
Again, That said, you asked me to quote the same verses in the King James Version for you to see if the commandments are the same. So, what is your verdict? Did the commandments change or something?

Didn't you read my verdict. read again slowly

delkuf:
Didn't you read my verdict. read again slowly

So anyone who does not come in Peace, and brings a sword, did not bring trouble? OK.

So what about the actual commandments that He stipulated? what about those?

Kobojunkie:
So anyone who does not come in Peace, and brings a sword, did not bring trouble? OK.

So what about the actual commandments that He stipulated? what about those?

To me those are not commandment. read deutronomy 28 and see commandment

delkuf:
To me those are not commandment. read deutronomy 28 and see commandment

Ok. So does that also mean you will not obey them since they are not "commandments" in the style represented in Deuteronomy 28?

Kobojunkie:
Ok. So does that also mean you will not obey them since they are not "commandments" in the style represented in Deuteronomy 28?

I will obey them. I will always do want the Lord Jesus Christ said

delkuf:
I will obey them. I will always do want the Lord Jesus Christ said

It is always a good idea to look up the dictionary meaning of words you have issues with.

com·mand·ment
/kəˈman(d)mənt/

a divine rule, especially one of the Ten Commandments.
"the Sabbath had to be kept as ordered in the Fourth Commandment"

a rule to be observed as strictly as one of the Ten Commandments.
"she had followed her mother's commandments for long enough"

Jesus Christ gave us several rules/commandments, and we all know we are called to obey those rules

delkuf:
I will obey them. I will always do want the Lord Jesus Christ said

By the way, I and still expecting you to show scriptural evidence of Jesus Christ or God declaring that by following Jesus Christ, we are made descendantsof Abraham. I am interested in learning where that teaching comes from.

Kobojunkie:
By the way, I and still expecting you to show scriptural evidence of Jesus Christ or God declaring that by following Jesus Christ, we are made descendantsof Abraham. I am interested in learning where that teaching comes from.

Go read gal 3:14/29. Read 29 slowly because I know you will want to jump into conclusion

delkuf:
Go read gal 3:14/29. Read 29 slowly because I know you will want to jump into conclusion

I asked you where Jesus Christ Himself, the definition of the New Covenant, the Grace of God to us, includes the suggestion that we become of Abraham when we are saved. Or even where God Himself said that His New Covenant will make this so.

Any other account means nothing until it is validated against the word of God -the word recorded as being from God Himself.