₦airaland Forum

bezimo:
Is was a question you couldnt answer which would have justified if you and your type useless reasoning justifying CAMA..but because you couldnt answer you divert to frivolities..una dey very stupid.Moral responsibility my foot..na church be una problem for this country una no see useless failing govt policies and increased poverty and insecurity..na church be de problem..reoprobrate devils..should I be suprised..mtchww

luluman:
You dey mad. The law is not only applicable to churches, how much your own worship center worth?

Tango123:
The first line of that quote said copied. So what exactly is ur problem. Did i say i read it?

Pity

na2016:
Until you start using your brain to read and talk critically, you will keep beleiving that China shall one day take over Nigeria.
Unitil then, you will keep beleiving what so ever Winners and co chun out for you to beleive against this administration. let me
tell you that if your christianity is not even checked by acts like this by the government, in the next 10 years, you will have more unbeleivers in Nigeria than christians because of the false doctrine being preached

TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

Goke7:
How many churches do AGM [Annual General meetings] or you think churches are exempted? Apart from very few churches like Baptist and other very old churches, how accountable are churches to their members who donate these funds? Look here, human beings are the ones in church and leading these churches and not spirits where we can assume that all they are doing is right. Or you are not aware that money laundering is happening within our churches.

You don't need government to audit the account of the church you pay tithes to,you as a church member can demand for it and if its refused,you walk and move to a church that present its account monthly or quarterly...

The world has changed bruv, gone are the days we can just assume that our GOs are always right, reason when there is a scandal, it's always grave. Checks and balances are now needed as any registered church is also a civil organization that sue and can be sued.

Tango123:
So answer the question

Whi regulates BRIPAN

In principle, the law is not bad. The problem is Nigeria and its sectional and sectarian implementation. That is what u dont get

We all see how dss and efcc is used as attack dogs for political interests. People are concerned, and rightly so, that this new law will be used in a partisan and sectarian manner. After all, like all major appointments, Buhari will sectionalise qnd sectarianise the implementation of the law. That is the issue

So, answer my question. Who will regulate BRIPAN. Who is to ensure that this law is not used for sectional and sectarian interests

Dont tell me to trust fg because we see what they do with police, efcc, army, dss. So i dknt trust them.

I dont hold brief for any religious organisation, muslim or Christian. I just believe that private money is private. U can follow the money as is already done, tru efcc, tru banks.

Openbusiness:
Me Chairman sir, the people know wassup, they are just pretending. They have always been against the Church in secret but they have gotten bolder now and they have been dying for the chance when they no longer have to pretend they have a mission to subdue the Church in Nigeria. And when i say Church, I don't mean all those old Anglican and Methodist, Catholics etc parishes. Those ones were subdued a long time ago and are merely existing as decorations. The guys they want to subdue are the new generation type of Churches. The ones like Oyedepo and Oyahkilome, and MFM and Chosen, TB Joshua etc. The ones giving the devils ruling this country sleepless nights with their fiery prayers and unending crusades. The ones who are dreamers and achievers that embark on incredible projects like Private Universities and own investments and own private jets and shaking up the town making good things happen and winning souls like crazy. He dey pepper dem. They want the youths to be going from one shrine to another doing juju and serving idols like majority of d political class, butnthe youth are turning up for Jesus by the thousands week in week out. These "stupid" Christians are too bold and daring, they are just pushing into every corner. They must be stopped. That's where we are today. Persecution is expected. No be new thing. The only painful part is to see some so called Christians who are just so stupid and daft to the point they will blindly support those who are trying to put them in chains. [/b]For months, they shut down churches but open markets that are 1 million times more rowdy and more populated. Some mumu Christians said it was good, they don't need to go to Church before they can serve God. But they missed the point. The point is they intentionally trampled on religious freedom. Ok na, [b]keep ceding and giving up your fundamental rights of religous freedom to the enemy. Later when they ban you from reading Bible, be happy and say that you don't need to read Bible before u worship God...... mtchwwwwwww. That's what happens when people don't know history. The freedoms we have today people paid with their blood to secure it for us and we just gonna throw it away like Esau threw his birthright away and said it doesn't matter. He didn't know the value of his birthright, same way we don't know the value of the religious freedom we are enjoying. There was a time in this world Christians had to meet in underground caves, when Christians couldn't identify themselves publicly as Christians for few of being killed. It was hell. In some parts of the world like China etc, religous freedom is not guaranteed. Muslims are being oppressed and killed, Christianity is forbidden. Internet broadcasts IP transmissions are blocked, u can't even watch on the internet. Yet we have religious freedom here but some Christian people are rejoicing that this freedom I gradually being attacked inch by inch. Give d devil one kilometer, he will travel a distance of 1000 light-years. Freedom is the most abused word in this world. Just because it is called "Freedom" doesn't mean it is "Free". Freedom is never free. People paid with their lives and blood for it. So any freedom u are enjoying, just know that some brave men and women maybe decades or centuries or millenniums ago paid the ultimate sacrifice so others coming after them can enjoy it. The religous freedoms we have must not be given up, otherwise our ancestors that gave their lives so we can have it, we are telling them to their faces and to their graves, that they died for nothing. May that never happen under my watch. I will rather die a free man knowing you couldn't take my freedoms away from me, than live as a willing free prisoner who is free to explore life only within the boundaries of the box his oppressors have put him inside. His hands and legs are free but his mind has been chained. No, not me!

TonyeBarcanista:
Those against CAMA Amendment are either ill-informed or mischievous.

In sane societies like USA, South Africa, UK, Europe, Australia etc, there are agencies that regulate religious organisations, CSOs and NGOs. Why should Nigeria's be different?

Some people said it is a fight against the church, and I ask, which Church?

If the Bible is right, the Church is the congregation of believers. It is not a building or religious organisation. And believers don't need any formal nomenclature or organisation to worship. The Bible says where two or three are gathered, CHRIST is present. The Bible never said people should establish organisations, neither did the early Christians establish organisations.

Now let's look this....

A man wakes up on a faithful morning, he approaches CAC (Government) to register his organisation, which he names XYZ Church

He lists himself, his wife, Kids or associates as Trustees

He gets certificate from the government to operate...

Yet, he argues with the government that they have no right to regulate the activities of the same organisation that he went to government to register.

He shouts persecution, war against the church and God.

Meanwhile, he is the final authority and CEO in the religious organisation, and won't hesitate to show the exit door to anyone that questions his authority.

The irony is that he abides to similar laws abroad...


As much as I'm not a fan of this administration, I support this CAMA... Although Nigeria politicians are useless

FACT:

FG or any other government cannot regulate the "Church" (congregation of believers). Even the Roman government couldn't regulate the Church.

However, government can only regulate religious organisations (formal organizations) that are registered with the government in line with the constitutional mandate.

The rule is simple, don't register your organisation with government if you don't want to be regulated... Same way you don't register your business and NGO with government if you don't want their regulation...

aribisala0:
How is that my business here?

What is my business with that?

Who regulates Oloshos on ALlen avenue?

adekolaelect:
No the law is simple why Registered under an Agency you don't want to disclose you financial activities to? If you don't want to be accountable by any agency Don't Register.

Empiree:
And now you would say your are "Christlike" but your utterances are opposite of that. See highlight?. You lied. If church member "offer" money why does pain pastors so much when criticised for taking tithes?. Why do they mandate tithes on members?. Adeboye even said members will not make heaven if tithes are not paid. Guy, why you dey lie now. Jesus is not pleased with you for lying. We all know tithe payment is a do or die

adekolaelect:
you are fantastically mad by not knowing that Religions Churches and Mosques is not for money profits making venture as you practice .sense is far from you by asking what my own worship center worth as if it is a business venture . stupid Religious bigot .

Kingspin:
What concern you if I pay tithes? Are you paying tithe?

Don't tell me how I use my money because I have not bomb anybody.


Go to the mosque where they don't pay tithe.

Empiree:
Now, let me tell you what you dont understand. It is govt responsibility to oversee any organization revenue. Money taken from citizens is accounted for. This is govt responsibility around the world. Therefore, churches must be taxed unless where tax relief is given. What govt is trying to do is regulation. It is for your own good but many Nigerians are not used to law and order. If mosques also have revenue they must comply to govt directive. But you think I am being lopsided.

Kingspin:
You tell nonsense.

I didn't read beyond 2nd line

Empiree:
this is indication that you aren't ready to learn for fear of proper being educated. Many Nigerians are used to lawlessness. Govt is trying to do the right thing but you clowns are complaining

Kingspin:
You and your government have no sense.

That is why killing innocent people don't matter to you.

Tell your government to focus on useful things.
No power, no roads, no job( poverty country) no healthcare, in fact, no government in Nigeria.

A country where government act like animals.
They are animals.

tope777:
Only the dead sign a devilish bill against God.

...do the math.

luluman:
And you are morally, religiously & politically a brainless to dabble into a matter between govt & churches when nobody put your mouth. Once again, you be mumu. Ode

adekolaelect:
humm

post=93102418:
I really do not understand this government o.. are you saying God should give you his financial records.. I know some dumb dumb would come and attack me now ..
Anyway come and buy kids Educational Tablets for your your children to help them stay ahead of their peers view my profile now

luluman:
Better to keep your silence on matters that concern you less. Dont come to nairaland & rant.

adekolaelect:
but Nairaland is a place to display your stupidity and lack of morality .

luluman:
Face the numerous problems facing your life & leave church matter alone.

adekolaelect:
though you are right that may be the last source hope of your income .sorry it is not abt church but rule of law.look for another source of income before the law is fully implemented which may be the end to the era of living expensive life on the gullibility of people.

iboboyswag:
we would not buy if you hold this kind view. I imagine the sort of information that would be on the tablets you sell. Shior!

luluman:
All the Same, Our source of income, gullibility of people & church are still none of your business. I repeat : FACE YOUR OWN LIFE. Did anybody complain to you? Abi are you so jobless?

adekolaelect:
this one has been frustrated very well .take it easy we will tell Bubu to soft the pedal of his policies bcs of some one like you not to commit suicides.

wacuc0:
We are not serious as citizens. The Law is good just let it be well practiced.
Ask your self, why did church go to government to register and will not allow the government to check their excesses.
A church makes 100million naira and somebody will say he is the GO and takes all. Can a bank do that? Did the early churches do that? The answer is no. So how did we start this mess called the GO's. It must stop if we want to really worship God with true pastors as our spiritual leaders. Your donations to a church is not to a man, it is to an organisation that is registered with a focus. So abide and practice that focus that established it. No church registered with CAC has ever said the GO takes all the money, but this changes after and become the norm - so why?

OpinionCounts:
Hope when the government remove hand from their matter thesame government will remove hand from their resources?? Let everyone have what belongs to him.

No be to remove hand from their matter and yet dip both their hand and their entire body inside the people's resources like they are presently doing sef.

cc simplyshade