"The Lord of Moses and Aaron.” Said Pharaoh, “You believed in him before I gave you permission. Indeed, this is a conspiracy which you conspired in the city to expel therefrom its people. But you are going to know. I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides; then I will surely crucify you all.” – Quran 7:122-124.

Crucifixion came into existence in 400 BC, and the Pharaoh that Moses and Israeli had encounter with lived in 1447 BC, which is a difference of roughly 1000 years.

If Allah is actually all-knowing, how come he made such a glaring error?

Antichristian, Empiree, Rashduct4luv

advocatejare:
"The Lord of Moses and Aaron.” Said Pharaoh, “You believed in him before I gave you permission. Indeed, this is a conspiracy which you conspired in the city to expel therefrom its people. But you are going to know. I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides; then I will surely crucify you all.” – Quran 7:122-124.

Crucifixion came into existence in 400 BC, and the Pharaoh that Moses and Israeli had encounter with lived in 1447 BC, which is a difference of roughly 1000 years.

If Allah is actually all-knowing, how come he made such a glaring error?

Antichristian, Empiree, Rashduct4luv

It seems you have crucifixion history with you. I'm really interested in how this dates were obtained?

Can you tell us the first 10 people who were crucified? What was the name of the King during the time of Joseph and when did he live?

AntiChristian:


It seems you have crucifixion history with you. I'm really interested in how this dates were obtained?

Don't be a lazy youth. A simple search on Google about when crucifixion started as a form of punishment will help cure your ignorance and clear your delusion that Quran is historically and scientifically correct

Let me help you a little.

"Crucifixion was invented by the Persians in 300-400BC and developed, during Roman times, into a punishment for the most serious of criminals. The upright wooden cross was the most common technique, and the time victims took to die would depend on how they were crucified."

Source:https://www.theguardian.com/science/2004/apr/08/thisweekssciencequestions

Can you tell us the first 10 people who were crucified? What was the name of the King during the time of Joseph and when did he live?

Google will help you.

advocatejare:
"The Lord of Moses and Aaron.” Said Pharaoh, “You believed in him before I gave you permission. Indeed, this is a conspiracy which you conspired in the city to expel therefrom its people. But you are going to know. I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides; then I will surely crucify you all.” – Quran 7:122-124.

Crucifixion came into existence in 400 BC, and the Pharaoh that Moses and Israeli had encounter with lived in 1447 BC, which is a difference of roughly 1000 years.

If Allah is actually all-knowing, how come he made such a glaring error?

Antichristian, Empiree, Rashduct4luv

What's your point?

iamgenius:

What's your point?

If you're truly a genius as you claim, you won't have issues comprehending simple sentence.

advocatejare:

If you're truly a genius as you claim, you won't have issues comprehending simple sentence.

It still doesn't make sense. Say something else

iamgenius:

It still doesn't make sense. Say something else

It takes matured mind to understand certain things.

You can go back to your cartoon channels now

iamgenius:

What's your point?

His folly can easily be exposed bro. He googled the date when crucifixion was started as 400 BC and Pharoah and Moses existed as around 1447BC.

I would like him to tell us here the date when this Bible verse was written allegedly by Moses!

Deuteronomy 21:22-23
If a man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is executed, and you hang his body on a tree, you must not leave the body on the tree overnight, but you must be sure to bury him that day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse.

Rashduct4luv:


His folly can easily be exposed bro. He googled the date when crucifixion was started as 400 BC and Pharoah and Moses existed as around 1447BC.

I would like him to tell us here the date when this Bible verse was written allegedly by Moses!

Deuteronomy 21:22-23
If a man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is executed, and you hang his body on a tree, you must not leave the body on the tree overnight, but you must be sure to bury him that day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse.

So hanging and crucifixion are the same?
The verse you even quoted said the person was hanged after he was executed i.e. already dead.

Many people have commited suicide and some killeg by hanging for example in Nigeria but no one has been killed by crucifixion in Nigeria. That's to tell you that crucifixion and hanging are different.

Stop displaying ignorance

Rashduct4luv:


His folly can easily be exposed bro. He googled the date when crucifixion was started as 400 BC and Pharoah and Moses existed as around 1447BC.

I would like him to tell us here the date when this Bible verse was written allegedly by Moses!

Deuteronomy 21:22-23
If a man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is executed, and you hang his body on a tree, you must not leave the body on the tree overnight, but you must be sure to bury him that day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse.

Oh, OK. Jazaakumullahu khayran bro

advocatejare:


So hanging and crucifixion are the same?
The verse you even quoted said the person was hanged after he was executed i.e. already dead.

Many people have commited suicide and some killeg by hanging for example in Nigeria but no one has been killed by crucifixion in Nigeria. That's to tell you that crucifixion and hanging are different.

Stop displaying ignorance

Ignorance! Truly everyone of us is ignorant of something. But here you are the one who is exceptionally ignorant of the scripture you profess.
Paul used hanging in Galatians 3:13 and he quoted that same verse i quoted from the old Testament to refer to Jesus' crucifixtion.

But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”
Galatians 3:13

I and Paul (or whoever wrote Galatians) are on the same page while you are on another page entirely.

Hanging = Crucifiction

iamgenius:

Oh, OK. Jazaakumullahu khayran bro

Wa antum fajazaakumullah khayran bro

Rashduct4luv:


Ignorance! Truly everyone of us is ignorant of something. But here you are the one who is exceptionally ignorant of the scripture you profess

I won't allow you to deviate.

Your Allah was oblivious of history, there was nothing like crucifixion during the time Moses and Pharaoh lived but the ignorant authors of the Quran mixed everything up. It's just like the Quran telling us that Muhammad promised that he would send Aisha a whatsapp message. There was no whatsapp in the days of Muhammad, same way there was no crucifixion in the days of Moses and Pharaoh, Crucifixion came about 1000 years after so Pharaoh couldn't have threatened anyone with crucifixion, that's a big error from Allah.

But you tried to justify Allah's error by claiming that hanging was mentioned in the old Testament.

The Hebrew word for "hang" is Talah (תָּלָה ) which what used in the Deuteronomy 21:22 that you cited and not Crucify (לִצְלוֹב ) like your Quran erroneously used it.

advocatejare:


I won't allow you to deviate.

Your Allah was oblivious of history, there was nothing like crucifixion during the time Moses and Pharaoh lived but the ignorant authors of the Quran mixed everything up. It's just like the Quran telling us that Muhammad promised that he would send Aisha a whatsapp message. There was no whatsapp in the days of Muhammad, same way there was no crucifixion in the days of Moses and Pharaoh, Crucifixion came about 1000 years after so Pharaoh couldn't have threatened anyone with crucifixion, that's a big error from Allah.

But you tried to justify Allah's error by claiming that hanging was mentioned in the old Testament.

The Hebrew word for "hang" is Talah (תָּלָה ) which what used in the Deuteronomy 21:22 that you cited and not Crucify (לִצְלוֹב ) like your Quran erroneously used it.

It seems you like argument so much!

Was Paul telling lies? This is a case of Apostle Paul's Galatians 3:13 vs Moses' Deuteronomy 21:22.

Deuteronomy 21:22-23
If a man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is executed, and you hang his body on a tree, you must not leave the body on the tree overnight, but you must be sure to bury him that day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse.

Galatians 3:13
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

Paul was allegedly quoting Moses' in the above. Are you correct and Paul wrong? If Paul is wrong then we can readily throw away all his 14 books in the New Testament.

See more evidences from your Bible:

Acts 5:30: “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.”
Acts 10:39: “And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:”

Can you mention the Hebrew words used in the verses above where Jesus was hanged on a tree?

Rashduct4luv:


It seems you like argument so much!

Was Paul telling lies? This is a case of Apostle Paul's Galatians 3:13 vs Moses' Deuteronomy 21:22.

Deuteronomy 21:22-23
If a man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is executed, and you hang his body on a tree, you must not leave the body on the tree overnight, but you must be sure to bury him that day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse.

Galatians 3:13
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

Paul was allegedly quoting Moses' in the above. Are you correct and Paul wrong? If Paul is wrong then we can readily throw away all his 14 books in the New Testament.

See more evidences from your Bible:

Acts 5:30: “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.”
Acts 10:39: “And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:”

Can you mention the Hebrew words used in the verses above where Jesus was hanged on a tree?

Like I said, I won't allow you to deviate. Allah made an error of history that crucifixion was in existence during the time of Moses and Pharaoh which was not.

The Deuteronomy you quoted wasn't talking about crucifixion, the Hebrew word used was not crucifixion but hang.


I will address the new issue you're raising once we're done with this one.

The authors of the Quran were ignorant of history

This man is old o you can even decipher this.

Your claim is that the Qur'an is false for claiming that Pharaoh wanted to crucify the magicians!
And that crucifiction came to existence 1000 years later.

Now Paul was quotating the verse of Deuteronomy and was refering it to Jesus which means hanging on a tree is same as crucifiction.

Shebi cross is tree na!

So where is the error?

1. Paul says Jesus was hanged on a tree quoting Moses in Deuteronomy.
2. Your claim that the Qur'an is wrong is false. It has been proven that Paul used hanging for Crucifixion of Jesus.
So the hanging in deut. is same as the one in the time of Moses.
3. Your theory is wrong and no one is deviating.
4. The Qur'an is true and you are a dogmatic and persistent lying Christian as usual.

advocatejare:

Like I said, I won't allow you to deviate. Allah made an error of history that crucifixion was in existence during the time of Moses and Pharaoh which was not.

The Deuteronomy you quoted wasn't talking about crucifixion, the Hebrew word used was not crucifixion but hang.

I will address the new issue you're raising once we're done with this one.

The authors of the Quran were ignorant of history

AntiChristian:
This man is old o you can even decipher this.

Your claim is that the Qur'an is false for claiming that Pharaoh wanted to crucify the magicians!
And that crucifiction came to existence 1000 years later.

Now Paul was quotating the verse of Deuteronomy and was refering it to Jesus which means hanging on a tree is same as crucifiction.

Shebi cross is tree na!

So where is the error?

1. Paul says Jesus was hanged on a tree quoting Moses in Deuteronomy.
2. Your claim that the Qur'an is wrong is false. It has been proven that Paul used hanging for Crucifixion of Jesus.
So the hanging in deut. is same as the one in the time of Moses.
3. Your theory is wrong and no one is deviating.
4. The Qur'an is true and you are a dogmatic and persistent lying Christian as usual.

The Bible never got confused like your Allah that was wrong with dates and history. Show me where crucifixion was mentioned in the Bible in the time of Moses and Pharaoh and we can continue from there

Rashduct4luv:


It seems you like argument so much!

Was Paul telling lies? This is a case of Apostle Paul's Galatians 3:13 vs Moses' Deuteronomy 21:22.

Deuteronomy 21:22-23
If a man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is executed, and you hang his body on a tree, you must not leave the body on the tree overnight, but you must be sure to bury him that day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse.

Galatians 3:13
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

Paul was allegedly quoting Moses' in the above. Are you correct and Paul wrong? If Paul is wrong then we can readily throw away all his 14 books in the New Testament.

See more evidences from your Bible:

Acts 5:30: “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.”
Acts 10:39: “And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:”

Can you mention the Hebrew words used in the verses above where Jesus was hanged on a tree?

Deuteronomy 21:22-23
If a man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is executed, and you hang his body on a tree, you must not leave the body on the tree overnight, but you must be sure to bury him that day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse.

Firstly if the Law of Moses gave an ordinance on what constitutes been "hanged on a tree" as punishment then you should allow the same law define it not you.

No one was supposed to be hung on a tree if they didn't sin that warranted an execution before hanging.

When Jews hanged people it was for grevious sin against Yaweh, but when the Romans "crucified" it was because it was against their government laws.

So when Paul linked Jesus to the hanging on the tree according to Deuteronomy 21:22-23 why don't you ask yourself how Paul could link Jesus to Deuteronomy 21:22-23 since Jesus never committed sin let alone executed before hanging.

Because the last time i checked the Jews couldn't kill Jesus in the first place simply because he had no sin.

This was the sole reason they gave him up to the Romans which counted against them because they accepted the blame.

In conclusion when Paul was talking about Jesus hanging on a tree he was only making reference to the punishment of grevious sin which Jesus was nullifying in the law of Moses that neccesitated been executed/hung on the tree


Paul wasn't validating the lie that crucifixion by the Romans was the same thing/interchangeable with hanging on the tree as defined in the law of Moses.

Galatians 3:13
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was "hung on the cross", he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

Paul was validating the symbolism of how Christ work on the cross was lifting the Jews off the punishment of sin certified on them by the law of Moses

You can see he used "hung on the cross" (the actual event) with hung on the tree in symbolism to saving Jews from the curse of their own hanging via sin

The Law of Moses Hanging On Tree is Different from the crucifixion on a cross

The two practices are holistically and symbolically different in their practice

leaving bodies over night in crucifixion is not what is called hanging by law of Moses.

Executing alive is not what is called hanging by law of Moses

Using nails and thorns is not what is called hanging by law of Moses

Torture is not what is called hanging by law of moses


https://www.livescience.com/62727-jesus-roman-crucifixion-found.html

advocatejare


Are you aware that the Samaritans in Jesus time teleported to Moses time and forced the Israelites in the mountains of no where to mould golden calf and worship it


Allah said, "We have tempted thy people since thou didst leave them. The Samaritan has led them into error Then Moses returned ...
they (the Israelites)said, "... and we cast them (gold ornaments), as the Samaritan also threw them, into the fire."

Then he brought out for them a Calf, a mere body that lowed; and they said, "This is your god, and the god of Moses, whom he has forgotten." .
Moses said, "And thou, Samaritan, what was thy business?" ...

-- Sura 20:85-88, 95 Arberry,

How could Samaritan have led the Israelites astray at the time of Moses [about 1400 B.C.] when the city of Samaria was founded by King Omri in about 870 B.C. (see 1 Kings 16:24)

Mikecold:
advocatejare


Are you aware that the Samaritans in Jesus time teleported to Moses time and forced the Israelites in the mountains of no where to mould golden calf and worship it


Allah said, "We have tempted thy people since thou didst leave them. The Samaritan has led them into error Then Moses returned ...
they (the Israelites)said, "... and we cast them (gold ornaments), as the Samaritan also threw them, into the fire."

Then he brought out for them a Calf, a mere body that lowed; and they said, "This is your god, and the god of Moses, whom he has forgotten." .
Moses said, "And thou, Samaritan, what was thy business?" ...

-- Sura 20:85-88, 95 Arberry,

How could Samaritan have led the Israelites astray at the time of Moses [about 1400 B.C.] when the city of Samaria was founded by King Omri in about 870 B.C. (see 1 Kings 16:24)

That's the problem with copy and paste without applying sense. They never thought that a day like this would come

advocatejare:

That's the problem with copy and paste without applying sense. They never thought that a day like this would come

What is funny is that i don't know how they intend defending this.

I remember one ignorant Abdul defended the below error that Mary was a sister of Aaron by calling it a "statement of respect" even though we all know that ascribing any name to Aaron was only for the priest who inherited his priesthood ie sons of Aaron

 “Sister of Aaron! Your father was not an evil man; your mother was not unchaste!’ (Qur’an 19:28).

So the dilemma here is how allah can reference a people with Israel who are postdated from existence

I think I would rather go with the below


Quran 4:82

Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would have certainly found in it many inconsistencies.

Mikecold:
What is funny is that i don't know how they intend defending this.

I remember one ignorant Abdul defended the below error that Mary was a sister of Aaron by calling it a "statement of respect" even though we all know that ascribing any name to Aaron was only for the priest who inherited his priesthood ie sons of Aaron

 “Sister of Aaron! Your father was not an evil man; your mother was not unchaste!’ (Qur’an 19:28).

So the dilemma here is how allah can reference a people with Israel who are postdated from existence

I think I would rather go with the below


Quran 4:82

Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would have certainly found in it many inconsistencies.

They've been wired to defend such nonsense. They will rather bend science, facts to suit their delusions

Mikecold:
Deuteronomy 21:22-23
If a man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is executed, and you hang his body on a tree, you must not leave the body on the tree overnight, but you must be sure to bury him that day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse.

Firstly if the Law of Moses gave an ordinance on what constitutes been "hanged on a tree" as punishment then you should allow the same law define it not you.

No one was supposed to be hung on a tree if they didn't sin that warranted an execution before hanging.

When Jews hanged people it was for grevious sin against Yaweh, but when the Romans "crucified" it was because it was against their government laws.

So when Paul linked Jesus to the hanging on the tree according to Deuteronomy 21:22-23 why don't you ask yourself how Paul could link Jesus to Deuteronomy 21:22-23 since Jesus never committed sin let alone executed before hanging.

Because the last time i checked the Jews couldn't kill Jesus in the first place simply because he had no sin.

This was the sole reason they gave him up to the Romans which counted against them because they accepted the blame.

In conclusion when Paul was talking about Jesus hanging on a tree he was only making reference to the punishment of grevious sin which Jesus was nullifying in the law of Moses that neccesitated been executed/hung on the tree


Paul wasn't validating the lie that crucifixion by the Romans was the same thing/interchangeable with hanging on the tree as defined in the law of Moses.

Galatians 3:13
But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was "hung on the cross", he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

Paul was validating the symbolism of how Christ work on the cross was lifting the Jews off the punishment of sin certified on them by the law of Moses

You can see he used "hung on the cross" (the actual event) with hung on the tree in symbolism to saving Jews from the curse of their own hanging via sin

The Law of Moses Hanging On Tree is Different from the crucifixion on a cross

The two practices are holistically and symbolically different in their practice

leaving bodies over night in crucifixion is not what is called hanging by law of Moses.

Executing alive is not what is called hanging by law of Moses

Using nails and thorns is not what is called hanging by law of Moses

Torture is not what is called hanging by law of moses


https://www.livescience.com/62727-jesus-roman-crucifixion-found.html

Abeg how is this related to the OP and the line of conversation here?