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CHRISTIAN WIVES AND SUBMISSION:
WHO IS WRONG BETWEEN BISHOP DAVID OYEDEPO AND DADDY FREEZE?

By Bisi Adewale

I watched with keen interest, the debate on the word “submission” from biblical perspective based on the teaching of Bishop David Oyedepo recently and the response of Daddy Freeze.

While I always refrain myself from talking about political issues in the press or current affairs that do not affect marriage and family life, the topic of submission as explained in the Bible has given me the obligation to talk about it.

As a marriage counsellor with 21 years experience on this sensitive aspect of human race, and as an author of over 100 bestselling books on the subject of marriage and family life, I am obligated to set the record straight and make some things clear. In fact, many young women are now asking questions about submission.

WHAT BISHOP OYEDEPO SAID ABOUT SUBMISSION

A few days ago, Bishop David Oyedepo published a tweet on Twitter that read:
“The only way to a fruitful marriage is total submission on the part of the wife. Until it is in place, every other thing she tries to do will be out of place. A woman who refuses to submit to her husband is disobeying God. As a woman, you might even be a minister of the gospel, and your husband is not; the Word of God still says to submit yourself to him. A submissive woman is precious in the sight of her husband – Ephesians 5:22.”

WHAT DADDY FREEZE SAID ABOUT SUBMISSION[i][/i]

Daddy Freeze said "While Oyedepo was right in his admonition to women to submit to their husbands, this injunction is given without consideration to the whole picture that Ephesians 5 was teaching on the subject of submission.
Daddy Freeze said, there was a verse 21 before you could read verse 22. Verse 21 of that passage reads “… submitting to one another out of reverence to Christ…”
He then made the point that it is after couples have learnt to submit to each other, that a man can now begin to demand submission from his wife.
He also said that the clamour by church people for wives to submit to their husbands, without regard to the responsibility of men in their homes, as demanded by Ephesians 5, has produced many homes where men have become tyrants.

WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES ABOUT MEN AND WOMEN RELATIONSHIP

The Bible never commanded a husband to submit to his wife as Daddy Freeze said. Rather, the scripture commanded husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the Church.
His reference to verse 21 is never about marriage. It is about the interpersonal relationships among Christians. In fact, that is why the Bible says: "...submitting to one another out of reverence to Christ…”
I remember my English Language teacher in secondary school taught me that ‘’one another’’ is used when we are talking to at least three people, while ‘’each other’’ is used for two people.
So, submitting to one another as explained in the Bible is not referring to the husband and his wife (two people), but the Church (the body of Christ - more than three).

LET'S ANALYZE THE BOOK OF EPHESIANS CHAPTERS 4 TO 6.

• Chapter 4 is basically about Christians’ attitudes and characters.
• Chapter 5:1-21 is about Christian living.
• Chapter 5:22-33 is about marriage.
• Chapter 6:1-4 is about family life and parenting.
• Chapter 6:5-9 is about master/servant relationship.
• Chapter 6:10-24 is about Christian spiritual warfare.
Quoting verse 21 to negate verse 22 in Ephesians 5 does not do a good job in marriage and families. It is simply modernizing the Bible and bringing disorder into the home. God never commanded the husband to submit.
Please note that the Bible was written for those who are ready to obey it. Not for those who want to use one verse to negate another for their interest. The teachings on submission and love are for Christians who are ready to live for Christ in attitude and character, and in absolute submission to his commandments.

LOVE IS MORE DEMANDING THAN SUBMISSION

We need to note that love is deep and more demanding, while in submission, a woman is expected to BOW HERSELF, but in love. A man is expected to GIVE HIMSELF.
The best marriage is the one where a wife submits to her husband in obedience to Christ. She does not wait for her husband to love her before she submits to him. The husband loves his wife in obedience to Christ. He does not wait for his wife to submit. It's about serving God when a wife submits to her husband and loving God when a husband loves his wife.

WRONG TEACHINGS ABOUT MEN AND WOMEN RELATIONSHIP IN MARRIAGE

In my book titled "10 Commandments for Couples" (Published by Living Home ventures 2007), I explained the bad teachings some modern women listen to, and wrong teachings some African men carry about to different places. Let us see them here:
*HSC VS WET (HUSBAND SUPERIORITY COMPLEX VS WOMEN EQUALITY THEORY)*
In light of the scripture, the Husband Superiority Complex (HSC) and Women Equality Theory (WET) are wrong.

HUSBAND SUPERIORITY COMPLEX (HSC)

Men with HSC erroneously believe the following:
• Women are men’s properties.
• Women should only be seen but not heard.
• Women are useless except for sex, cooking, bearing and raising of children.
• A man can do whatever he likes with his wife.
• A man can do whatever he likes at home.
• A man can beat his wife if she misbehaves.
• Women do not have any right in the family.
• Women are inferior to men.
• Women deserve no honour and respect.
• It is only women that can be barren. Infertility is their fault only.
• A great man is known through how he bullies his wife.
• Men can sleep with their wives without their consent. Women have no right to say no to her husband, no matter how tired they are.
• A man needs not to appreciate his wife for cooking, sex and house chores; she is only doing her job.
• It is wrong for a man to do anything at home. It is the duty of the woman even if she is dying. To sleep, watch television, eat and sleep with his wife are the duties of a man.
• It is not wrong for a man to scold or embarrass his wife in public.
• Men are more knowledgeable than women.

WOMEN EQUALITY THEORY (WET)

Feminist and women with WET believe in the following:
• Men and women are equal in all respect.
• Men and women are fundamentally the same.
• Nobody should claim to be the head of the family.
• Whatever a man can do, a woman will do it better.
• All women are in bondage.
• Women are perpetually discriminated against.
• Women can be self-sufficient and exist without men.
• Women do not need men.
• Marriage and maternity should be delayed until achievement in education, career, business, and socio-political spheres have been made.
• Female desirability (by men) is solely dependent on her achievements.

MEET HSC MEN

Men who are given to superiority complex end up becoming bullies to their wives. They become wife-beaters, difficult, wicked husbands and headache to their homes; instead of being the head. They are also marital rapists, unrepentant womanizers, uncaring, unloving, unbending, unyielding, and polygamists. To them, women are nothing but pieces of rags. They are useless in everything but for what she can do in the kitchen and their performances in the bedroom.

MEET WET WOMEN

On the other hand, a woman that believes in the Women Liberation Theory becomes independent-minded, stubborn, disobedient, unsubmissive, arrogant and finds it difficult to be under any man. Most of them end up becoming single parents, divorcees, and may be successful career/business women, but failures in marriage and parenting.
That is why some of our women - CEOs, actresses, public figures, top government officials, etc. always end up in bad marital relationships.
The Bible does not support both HSC and WET. Rather, it maintains the headship of man, not his dictatorship, and at the same time, establishes the woman as an important party in the partnership.

THE BALANCE

This is the balance; Husbands are in the position of LEADERSHIP and Wives are in the position of INFLUENCE. Leadership and influence make a great marriage and eliminate confusion and dictatorship.

MARRIAGE OF WICKEDNESS

In any relationship where Husbands are in control, but their wives cannot influence them, we will have what is called DICTATORSHIP AND WICKEDNESS. Marriage experts call it “ASH MARRIAGE”.

MARRIAGE OF MANIPULATION

In any marriage where a wife is in position of INFLUENCE without allowing her Husband to lead or resent her husband as the family head, we have what is called MANIPULATION. Marriage experts call it “PINK MARRIAGE”.

MARRIAGE OF CONFUSION

In any marriage relationship where the Wife is in LEADERSHIP we have CONFUSION. Marriage experts call it “RED MARRIAGE”.

PERFECT COMBINATION

Husbands and wives are important in marriage. They are just like a pilot and a co-pilot, none is inferior. But God chose one to lead, one must be in charge for the sake of orderliness and avoid confusion. Any godly woman should allow herself to be led by her husband while every godly man should allow his wife to influence him and together they build a great home.

WOMEN SHOULD GO BEYOND SUBMISSION

The Bible goes beyond submission. It commanded women not only to submit but to REVERENCE their husbands as they would a King and the Family Head.
“Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

MEN SHOULD GO BEYOND LOVE

For men, it commanded them not just to love their Wives but to HONOUR the Women they chose to Marry as you would a Queen and First Lady
“Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬.

So the teaching of Bishop Oyedepo is in order and based on biblical principles and the standard of God. Nobody should try to contradict this truth of the word of God and cause confusion among young married couples. Christians should stop bringing up unnecessary controversy to whatever has been settled in the Bible:
“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:22, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Wives are to submit; husbands are to love.
This is clear and direct in the Bible.

Daddy Freeze shouldn’t have tried to water down the message as he did. Seeking to edit all sermons or teachings of fathers in faith will not help us in the long run. Let's fear God and honour His servants.

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Op, please who's then wrong?

Summarize

If you want to look at it critically, religion looks down on women including the Bible. I won't even talk about Islam, that one is something else.

If you are a Christian woman, you have no option than to submit to your husband. Na Bible talk am.

The man is your Head. He is superior to you. He has the final say in the family.

You can't claim to be a Christian woman and you're talking about gender equality and feminism. It doesn't work. You must submit ooo.

So, it is wrong for wives to love their husbands?

Summary please

jmoore:
So, it is wrong for wives to love their husbands?

Did you see where it was written in the article that wives should not love their husband?

Segzee1:
Did you see where it was written in the article that wives should not love their husband?

Question with question. Answer my question if you have an answer.

Op your summarisation makes a lot of sense and that's what most men and women won't want to hear.

As a lady, I expect my man to be the head and that's where I expect to be taken care of and 'good' decisions can be made for me by my spouse (or boyfriend) where and when necessary.....He should Lord over me as long as I have the 'influence' on him intact i believe my interest will always be protected and his too... everyone will be happy.

But a man that can't be influenced by his woman shouldn't expect submission at all... because both submission and influence should work together...

Ladies, making a man do things you want without force but with love will give him that joy and believe that he did it at his own will, without knowing you influenced him in the first place...it's sweet you know, that's only if you know your way around him while making him take the wheel.

jmoore:
Question with question. Answer my question if you have an answer.

NO. It is not wrong for wives to love their husbands. In marriage it is very important for both party to love each other.
Naturally woman tend to submit more to the man they truly love.

Segzee1:
NO. It is not wrong for wives to love their husbands. In marriage it is very important for both party to love each other.
Naturally woman tend to submit more to the man they truly love.

Good.

Is it wrong for a man to submit to his wife?

That's why most women are unhappy in their marriages. They get to lose their voice, their dignity and self will all in the name of marriage. Marriage is now synonymous to slavery. And it's the sole reason why most of our men are trained cowards. Their strength lies in how far they can humiliate and shamed their wives.

vikkimimi:
Op your summarisation makes a lot of sense and that's what most men and women won't want to hear.

As a lady, I expect my man to be the head and that's where I expect to be taken care of and 'good' decisions can be made for me by my spouse (or boyfriend) where and when necessary.....He should Lord over me as long as I have the 'influence' on him intact i believe my interest will always be protected and his too... everyone will be happy.

But a man that can't be influenced by his woman shouldn't expect submission at all... because both submission and influence should work together...

Ladies, making a man do things you want without force but with love will give him that joy and believe that he did it at his own will, without knowing you influenced him in the first place...it's sweet you know, that's only if you know your way around him while making him take the wheel.

How can a man rule over a woman who can influence him? Influence is control, so who's steering who?
The write-up is just a long epistle to try to muster something we both know, men lead, women submit and give advice when needed.

jmoore:
Good.

Is it wrong for a man to submit to his wife?

Lol....I was actually expecting this question from you. But did you read through the article? (No insult intended).

Man's kind of submission is known as INFLUENCE. That is ability to be influenced by your wife not playing too rigid. You will agree with me that there are so many men out there whose wife can't even look into their eyeball not to even talk of influencing them. When a man truly loves his wife, he shares everything with her and give her the opportunity to influence him.

Don't be surprised sir, many of the decision you see some men (married men) making are as a result of the the influence they got from their wives.

I personal know a man. When this man wanted to start a business, he was thinking of setting up a barbing salon. Employ barbers to work their and be making some cool cash because he was still working with a bank then. But guess what? His wife changed his plan by influencing him. She advised him to go into what she described then as mini importation and that was how the man started importing etectronics and reselling them. Today, the man is doing fine as he now owns a big electronics store here in Lagos.

That is the power of INFLUENCE.

Now, what do you think would have happened if the man is the rigid type?


So sir, SUMMISSION on a man's part is refered to as INFLUENCE. Not saying "I am the head of this family and anything I say is final"

Hope you are satify with this answer

Segzee1:
Lol....I was actually expecting this question from you. But did you read through the article? (No insult intended).

Man's kind of submission is known as INFLUENCE. That is ability to be influenced by your wife not playing too rigid. You will agree with me that there are so many men out there whose wife can't even look into their eyeball not to even talk of influencing them. When a man truly loves his wife, he shares everything with her and give her the opportunity to influence him.

Don't be surprised sir, many of the decision you see some men (married men) making are as a result of the the influence they got from their wives.

I personal know a man. When this man wanted to start a business, he was thinking of setting up a barbing salon. Employ barbers to work their and be making some cool cash because he was still working with a bank then. But guess what? His wife changed his plan by influencing him. She advised him to go into what she described then as mini importation and that was how the man started importing etectronics and reselling them. Today, the man is doing fine as he now owns a big electronics store here in Lagos.

That is the power of INFLUENCE.

Now, what do you think would have happened if the man is the rigid type?


So sir, SUMMISSION on a man's part is refered to as INFLUENCE. Not saying "I am the head of this family and anything I say is final"

Hope you are satify with this answer

Nice explanation.

davien:
How can a man rule over a woman who can influence him? Influence is control, so who's steering who?
The write-up is just a long epistle to try to muster something we both know, men lead, women submit and give advice when needed.

You see that is the problem. I mean this RULING mentality. This word "Rule" and his brother "I am the head of this family" has destroy many marriages and the number is still counting.

You can't go into marriage with a RULING mentality as a man and expect such marriage to be great.

You are not to rule, you are to LEAD. She (your wife) is not your slave. She is your helpmate. The fact that she is married to you doesn't mean she does not have her own life any longer.

When a man goes into marriage with 'I am the head' mentality, he ends up being the 'headache' of the marriage.


And as for your definition of INFLUENCE, I am happy to inform you that you are wrong. See the real definition below:

"The capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behaviour of someone or something, or the effect itself."

Statisticts show that women are great thinker, managers and planners. So when you see a married man doing great in His business or career try to check his wife.


Women are helpmate and not our servants/slaves

Segzee1:
You see that is the problem. I mean this RULING mentality. This word "Rule" and his brother "I am the head of this family" has destroy many marriages and the number is still counting.

You can't go into marriage with a RULING mentality as a man and expect such marriage to be great.

You are not to rule, you are to LEAD. She (your wife) is not your slave. She is your helpmate. The fact that she is married to you doesn't mean she does not have her own life any longer.

When a man goes into marriage with 'I am the head' mentality, he ends up being the 'headache' of the marriage.


And as for your definition of INFLUENCE, I am happy to inform you that you are wrong. See the real definition below:

"The capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behaviour of someone or something, or the effect itself."

Statisticts show that women are great thinker, managers and planners. So when you see a married man doing great in His business or career try to check his wife.


Women are helpmate and not our servants/slaves

To rule is still to lead, stop sugar coating words, men are traditionally rulers in their home, they set the terms. I don't know about you but women around me either follow my rules or step out, you can give me a few pointers as a lady but I take charge and tell you what I want.

Na sugar coating and women pleasing dey destroy the west right now if you don't know.

ggirl4real:
If you want to look at it critically, religion looks down on women including the Bible. I won't even talk about Islam, that one is something else.
If you are a Christian woman, you have no option than to submit to your husband. Na Bible talk am.
The man is your Head. He is superior to you. He has the final say in the family.
You can't claim to be a Christian woman and you're talking about gender equality and feminism. It doesn't work. You must submit ooo.

Jesus Christ never taught any of His followers to submit to any human being, to begin with. He warned them against occupying positions of authority over their brothers, and against ruling over their fellow men in the same way that the world does. He told them that they cannot have two masters, to begin with.
The doctrine and tradition of submission, yes, that one that tells women that a man is head over them, just as Jesus Christ is head over the church, as described in some of the letters attributed to the disciples are anti-Christ in origin and so have nothing to do with the actual teachings of Jesus Christ.

The love that should exist between followers of Jesus Christ, even those who are married, is the love that exists between a person and his neighbour, in this case, his neighbour is wife/husband, after all, it is the second greatest commandment there is. Any person that assumes the status of God over a partner, not only sets himself against God but against the commandments of God Himself.

Segzee1:
NO. It is not wrong for wives to love their husbands. In marriage it is very important for both party to love each other.
Naturally woman tend to submit more to the man they truly love.

That only seems natural because for countless generations, women have been browbeaten into submitting to the male gender.

In Christ, that sort of submission is in fact not allowed.

1. There is only One Teacher

Matthew 23 vs 8-12
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8. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[c]
9. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
10. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Every Follower of Jesus Christ is expected to subject to the teachings and lead of one Teacher and one alone, Jesus Christ, through the lead of His Spirit -- as He leads us to obeying and doing the very Will of God.
To submit to the will of another, is to ignore the will of God. It is that simple.

2. Followers of Jesus Christ cannot serve two masters.

Matthew 6 vs 24 (ERV)
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24. “You cannot serve two masters at the same time. You will hate one and love the other, or you will be loyal to one and not care about the other. You cannot serve God and Money[d] at the same time.

The very idea that a man can be head over a woman just as Jesus Christ is head over His church is anti-Christ in origin. By choosing to submit to having a man as her head, a woman denies Jesus Christ His place over her, installing a man in his stead. If you must know, Jesus Christ never gave any man/woman or person the authority to usurp His place in the life of those who belong to Him, so giving up so a place for a mere man is akin to idol worship, and that is definitely anti-God. The man who installs himself in the place of God over the one who belongs to God puts himself in direct competition with God and that is not a place any soul should aspire to.

Kobojunkie:
That only seems natural because for countless generations, women have been browbeaten into submitting to the male gender.

In Christ, that sort of submission is in fact not allowed.

1. There is only One Teacher

Every Follower of Jesus Christ is expected to subject to the teachings and lead of one Teacher and one alone, Jesus Christ, through the lead of His Spirit -- as He leads us to obeying and doing the very Will of God.
To submit to the will of another, is to ignore the will of God. It is that simple.

2. Followers of Jesus Christ cannot serve two masters.

The very idea that a man can be head over a woman just as Jesus Christ is head over His church is anti-Christ in origin. By choosing to submit to having a man as her head, a woman denies Jesus Christ His place over her, installing a man in his stead. If you must know, Jesus Christ never gave any man/woman or person the authority to usurp His place in the life of those who belong to Him, so giving up so a place for a mere man is akin to idol worship, and that is definitely anti-God. The man who installs himself in the place of God over the one who belongs to God puts himself in direct competition with God and that is not a place any soul should aspire to.

Madam,

As
Much as your aguements are very informative

You need a deeper understanding to understand submission

Chrisy is the head...

But there are hierarchies of authority

Pmedia7787:
Madam,
As
Much as your aguements are very informative
You need a deeper understanding to understand submission
Chrisy is the head...
But there are hierarchies of authority

According to whom? God or your so-called pastors and preachers?

According to Jesus Christ, in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ is the Head over us all, and everyone else is in the body, no part more important or better than the other. There are no males, females, blacks, whites, Africans, Mexicans, Hebrews, Jews, young, old... there are only children of God, and Jesus Christ is the First and Head over them all.

So, do not confuse your cultural and traditional rules and doctrines with the teachings of Jesus Christ... your traditions and cultures run counter to the word of God, and you only harm yourselves when you attempt to blend them both... since you end up with a cocktail that is powerless and meaningless to your soul.

Kobojunkie:
According to whom? God or your so-called pastors and preachers?

According to Jesus Christ, in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ is the Head over us all, and everyone else is in the body, no part more important or better than the other. There are no males, females, blacks, whites, Africans, Mexicans, Hebrews, Jews, young, old... there are only children of God, and Jesus Christ is the First and Head over them all.

So, do not confuse your cultural and traditional rules and doctrines with the teachings of Jesus Christ... your traditions and cultures run counter to the word of God, and you only harm yourselves when you attempt to blend them both... since you end up with a cocktail that is powerless and meaningless to your soul.

See below

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.


The above are different levels of authority in the Kingdom of darkness

If the devil who has been in the city of God has hierarchies ,but who still don't know all of God but copies God and follows the orders of God in his dealings

How much more is the Kingdom of God

Kobojunkie:
According to whom? God or your so-called pastors and preachers?

According to Jesus Christ, in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ is the Head over us all, and everyone else is in the body, no part more important or better than the other. There are no males, females, blacks, whites, Africans, Mexicans, Hebrews, Jews, young, old... there are only children of God, and Jesus Christ is the First and Head over them all.

So, do not confuse your cultural and traditional rules and doctrines with the teachings of Jesus Christ... your traditions and cultures run counter to the word of God, and you only harm yourselves when you attempt to blend them both... since you end up with a cocktail that is powerless and meaningless to your soul.

Christ is the head of all spirit

But there is a spiritual order on earth

Not every one is an eunuch and not everyone is in the position of a general though Christ be head And God of all


To make it plane to you

Both the male man and the female man have equal access to God

Pmedia7787:
See below
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
The above are different levels of authority in the Kingdom of darkness

If the devil who has been in the city of God has hierarchies ,but who still don't know all of God but copies God and follows the orders of God in his dealings

How much more is the Kingdom of God

So, let me get this straight. The hierarchy that exists in the "Kingdom of darkness" you imagine there, has to be an image of sorts of the hierarchy that exists in the "Kingdom of Heaven", all this contrary to the very words of Jesus Christ then?

You don't believe Jesus Christ's claim about His kingdom because in the "Kingdom of Darkness", as you claim, there are hierarchies?

Pmedia7787:
Christ is the head of all spirit
But there is a spiritual order on earth
Not every one is an eunuch and not everyone is in the position of a general though Christ be head And God of all
To make it plane to you
Both the male man and the female man have equal access to God

Jesus Christ is head of all Spirit? Where did you get this claim from?
Why do you folks like to throw the word of God, Jesus Christ so easily? Spiritual order on earth? What has your imaginings of a spiritual order of sorts, on earth for that matter, to do with anything Jesus Christ said or taught His followers?

A position of General in the Kingdom of Heaven? Where did Jesus Christ tell you that there are these so-called generals in His Kingdom?
According to Jesus Christ, in His Kingdom, there are ONLY children of God... no generals... soldiers... armies... just Children of God, and Jesus Christ is the firstborn among the Children of God. So where does this image of 'Generals' come from?

JUST LEARN FROM THESE THREE EXAMPLES:-

ADAM AND EVE: EVE WAS SIMPLY DOMINEERING. SHE DIDN'T SUBMIT ANYTHING. SHE TRICKED ADAM(MUMU MAN) TO TOUCH HER FRUIT. ADAM DID AND DIED.

JOB AND SITIDOS, SITIS OR SOTAH: JOB'S WIFE TRIED FAITHLESSLY AND HOPELESSLY TO THWART GOD'S ENTREATIES FROM JOB SHE DIDN'T SUBMIT UNTIL GOD HIMSELF INTERVENED TO STOP HER.

NOW MARY. VIRGIN MARY THE MOTHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST SUBMITTED TOTALLY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT PETITION. SHE THUS BECAME A SUBSERVIENCE TO OBEDIENCE (SUBMISSION) TO THE WAY, TRUTH AND LIFE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT..

WOMEN ARE MADE DIFFERENTLY FROM THE RIBS OF MEN AND SO THEY'RE MIXING POTS OF GOD FOR FURTHER PRODUCTION. THE COMMANDMENTS ARE MADE FOR MEN. WOMEN ARE MADE TO ASSIST MEN TO OBEY GOD.

chrispapi11:
Op, please who's then wrong?

Summarize

Both of them are wrong

Segzee1:
CHRISTIAN WIVES AND SUBMISSION:

[b]WHAT BISHOP OYEDEPO SAID ABOUT SUBMISSION
A few days ago, Bishop David Oyedepo published a tweet on Twitter that read:
“The only way to a fruitful marriage is total submission on the part of the wife. Until it is in place, every other thing she tries to do will be out of place. A woman who refuses to submit to her husband is disobeying God. As a woman, you might even be a minister of the gospel, and your husband is not; the Word of God still says to submit yourself to him. A submissive woman is precious in the sight of her husband – Ephesians 5:22.”

The Word of God is Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ never commanded any of His followers to submit to any man, woman, or other Master but Him.
He told you, of your marriages, that they are of this world and not of His Kingdom.

Matthew 22 vs 23-33 (ERV)
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23. That same day some Sadducees came to Jesus. (Sadducees believe that no one will rise from death.) The Sadducees asked Jesus a question.
24. They said, “Teacher, Moses told us that if a married man dies and had no children, his brother must marry the woman. Then they will have children for the dead brother.[a]
25. There were seven brothers among us. The first brother married but died. He had no children. So his brother married the woman.
26. Then the second brother also died. The same thing happened to the third brother and all the other brothers.
27. The woman was the last to die.
28. But all seven men had married her. So when people rise from death, whose wife will she be?”
29. Jesus answered, “You are so wrong! You don’t know what the Scriptures say. And you don’t know anything about God’s power.
30. At the time when people rise from death, there will be no marriage. People will not be married to each other. Everyone will be like the angels in heaven.
31. Surely you have read what God said to you about people rising from death.
32. God said, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’[b] So they were not still dead, because he is the God only of living people.”
33. When the people heard this, they were amazed at Jesus’ teaching.

It means whatever you do in your marriages, matters not, what matters is whether you, as an individual, accept(trust) and obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ, are you born of His Spirit( Son of God).

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WHAT DADDY FREEZE SAID ABOUT SUBMISSION[i][/i]

Daddy Freeze said "While Oyedepo was right in his admonition to women to submit to their husbands, this injunction is given without consideration to the whole picture that Ephesians 5 was teaching on the subject of submission.
Daddy Freeze said, there was a verse 21 before you could read verse 22. Verse 21 of that passage reads “… submitting to one another out of reverence to Christ…”
He then made the point that it is after couples have learnt to submit to each other, that a man can now begin to demand submission from his wife.
He also said that the clamour by church people for wives to submit to their husbands, without regard to the responsibility of men in their homes, as demanded by Ephesians 5, has produced many homes where men have become tyrants.

The teaching attributed to Paul in Ephesians 5 contradicts the very teachings of Jesus Christ Himself and so is not the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus Christ commanded His followers to go teach the world. And we know that Jesus Christ condemned every doctrine and tradition of men as lies and for good reason because these lies deny those who indulge in them the very Power of God Himself.

Mark 7 vs 1-13 (ERV)
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1. Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2. they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,[a] holding to the tradition of the elders,
4. and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.[c])
[b] 5. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6. And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7. in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the (doctrines and rules)** tradition of men.”
9. And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11. But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[d]—
12. then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13. thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}
Nowhere in His teaching does Jesus Christ in anyway suggest that there exists some inequality between men and woman. The New Covenant itself is a contract designed as an agreement between God and individual man, so to suggest that somewhere in the contract exists a clause that mandates female followers subjugate themselves to their male counterparts is a lie born of the doctrines and commandments of men in order to steal, kill and destroy those who belong to Him.

Jesus Christ commanded His followers against sitting in positions of power/authority/leadership over others. He instructed every one of His followers instead to subjugate their ownselves if they want to be greater in His Kingdom.

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WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES ABOUT MEN AND WOMEN RELATIONSHIP
The Bible never commanded a husband to submit to his wife as Daddy Freeze said. Rather, the scripture commanded husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the Church.
His reference to verse 21 is never about marriage. It is about the interpersonal relationships among Christians. In fact, that is why the Bible says: "...submitting to one another out of reverence to Christ…”
I remember my English Language teacher in secondary school taught me that ‘’one another’’ is used when we are talking to at least three people, while ‘’each other’’ is used for two people.
So, submitting to one another as explained in the Bible is not referring to the husband and his wife (two people), but the Church (the body of Christ - more than three).

Jesus Christ is the Head of His Church and the only one every follower of Jesus Christ, irrespective of gender, creed, race, status, is to submit to.

Matthew 6 vs 24* (ERV)
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24*. “You cannot serve two masters at the same time. You will hate one and love the other, or you will be loyal to one and not care about the other.

There is one Head over all those who believe in the New Covenant, and His name is Jesus Christ. Every other "head" is an imposter. Refuse the doctrines of men as Jesus Christ commands, and instead accept(trust) and obey the teachings /Commandments of Jesus Christ.

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LET'S ANALYZE THE BOOK OF EPHESIANS CHAPTERS 4 TO 6.
• Chapter 4 is basically about Christians’ attitudes and characters.
• Chapter 5:1-21 is about Christian living.
• Chapter 5:22-33 is about marriage.
• Chapter 6:1-4 is about family life and parenting.
• Chapter 6:5-9 is about master/servant relationship.
• Chapter 6:10-24 is about Christian spiritual warfare.
Quoting verse 21 to negate verse 22 in Ephesians 5 does not do a good job in marriage and families. It is simply modernizing the Bible and bringing disorder into the home. God never commanded the husband to submit.
Please note that the Bible was written for those who are ready to obey it. Not for those who want to use one verse to negate another for their interest. The teachings on submission and love are for Christians who are ready to live for Christ in attitude and character, and in absolute submission to his commandments.

Jesus Christ never gave His followers rules about marriage, nor did He instruct any of His own to teach people about marriage. He made it clear that marriages were of this world and not of the Kingdom of Heaven, and so not a part of the Gospel which He sent His followers out to teach.

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LOVE IS MORE DEMANDING THAN SUBMISSION
We need to note that love is deep and more demanding, while in submission, a woman is expected to BOW HERSELF, but in love. A man is expected to GIVE HIMSELF.
The best marriage is the one where a wife submits to her husband in obedience to Christ. She does not wait for her husband to love her before she submits to him. The husband loves his wife in obedience to Christ. He does not wait for his wife to submit. It's about serving God when a wife submits to her husband and loving God when a husband loves his wife.

I am afraid you are wrong about love, especially the kind that God commands of His followers. Only God can command this kind of Love from His own creation because no human ever should submit to another human for any other reason for God. For you see, Love, the kind, God commands of us, is in fact submission. Jesus Christ showed us that every kind of Love and called on us all to Love as He did, not as the world does.

Now, the love between a man and a woman should never be compared to the Love that God commands of us because it pales in comparison. God commands that we show this love to our neighbors and even to our enemies - implying we even love our enemies more than we love our own selves.

Matthew 5 vs 43-48 (ERV)
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43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

I don't know about anyone else, but if I have to go the extra mile for my enemy, and then have to go the extra mile at home with my spouse too, I might as well have my spouse listed as an "enemy" to make it compute cleanly. LOL

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WRONG TEACHINGS ABOUT MEN AND WOMEN RELATIONSHIP IN MARRIAGE
In my book titled "10 Commandments for Couples" (Published by Living Home ventures 2007), I explained the bad teachings some modern women listen to, and wrong teachings some African men carry about to different places. Let us see them here:
*HSC VS WET (HUSBAND SUPERIORITY COMPLEX VS WOMEN EQUALITY THEORY)*
In light of the scripture, the Husband Superiority Complex (HSC) and Women Equality Theory (WET) are wrong.

10 commandments for couples? You mean that even though Jesus Christ never gave any commands as far as Marriage is concerned(except for indicating that Divorce is a sin that amounts to adultery), you took it on yourself to write commands for married couples, in His name?
You are aware that Jesus Christ is the New Covenant that God promised His people even through His prophets and like the Old Covenant, it is a sin to add or remove commandments from the teachings of Jesus Christ.

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HUSBAND SUPERIORITY COMPLEX (HSC)
Men with HSC erroneously believe the following:
• Women are men’s properties.
• Women should only be seen but not heard.
• Women are useless except for sex, cooking, bearing and raising of children.
• A man can do whatever he likes with his wife.
• A man can do whatever he likes at home.
• A man can beat his wife if she misbehaves.
• Women do not have any right in the family.
• Women are inferior to men.
• Women deserve no honour and respect.
• It is only women that can be barren. Infertility is their fault only.
• A great man is known through how he bullies his wife.
• Men can sleep with their wives without their consent. Women have no right to say no to her husband, no matter how tired they are.
• A man needs not to appreciate his wife for cooking, sex and house chores; she is only doing her job.
• It is wrong for a man to do anything at home. It is the duty of the woman even if she is dying. To sleep, watch television, eat and sleep with his wife are the duties of a man.
• It is not wrong for a man to scold or embarrass his wife in public.
• Men are more knowledgeable than women.

All this is meaninglessness as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned. These are nothing but doctrines and opinions of individuals which mean nothing where the things of God are concerned.

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WOMEN EQUALITY THEORY (WET)
Feminist and women with WET believe in the following:
• Men and women are equal in all respect.
• Men and women are fundamentally the same.
• Nobody should claim to be the head of the family.
• Whatever a man can do, a woman will do it better.
• All women are in bondage.
• Women are perpetually discriminated against.
• Women can be self-sufficient and exist without men.
• Women do not need men.
• Marriage and maternity should be delayed until achievement in education, career, business, and socio-political spheres have been made.
• Female desirability (by men) is solely dependent on her achievements.

Like your marriages, these are ideas of this world that have nothing to do with the New Covenant(Jesus Christ).

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THE BALANCE
This is the balance; Husbands are in the position of LEADERSHIP and Wives are in the position of INFLUENCE. Leadership and influence make a great marriage and eliminate confusion and dictatorship.

This "balance" that you teach runs contrary to the teaching of Jesus Christ though.

Matthew 20 vs 24-28 (ESV)
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24. The other ten followers heard this and were angry with the two brothers.
25. So Jesus called the followers together. He said, “You know that the rulers of the non-Jewish people love to show their power over the people. And their important leaders love to use all their authority over the people.
26. But it should not be that way with you. Whoever wants to be your leader must be your servant.
27. Whoever wants to be first must serve the rest of you like a slave.
28. Do as I did: The Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.”

What you call "Balance", Jesus Christ calls a sin.

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MARRIAGE OF WICKEDNESS
In any relationship where Husbands are in control, but their wives cannot influence them, we will have what is called DICTATORSHIP AND WICKEDNESS. Marriage experts call it “ASH MARRIAGE”

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MARRIAGE OF MANIPULATION
In any marriage where a wife is in position of INFLUENCE without allowing her Husband to lead or resent her husband as the family head, we have what is called MANIPULATION. Marriage experts call it “PINK MARRIAGE”.

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MARRIAGE OF CONFUSION
In any marriage relationship where the Wife is in LEADERSHIP we have CONFUSION. Marriage experts call it “RED MARRIAGE”.

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PERFECT COMBINATION
Husbands and wives are important in marriage. They are just like a pilot and a co-pilot, none is inferior. But God chose one to lead, one must be in charge for the sake of orderliness and avoid confusion. Any godly woman should allow herself to be led by her husband while every godly man should allow his wife to influence him and together they build a great home.

Which God chose one to lead?
The same God that commanded His followers against occupying seats of power over their fellow men?

Matthew 20 vs 24-28 (ESV)
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24. The other ten followers heard this and were angry with the two brothers.
25. So Jesus called the followers together. He said, “You know that the rulers of the non-Jewish people love to show their power over the people. And their important leaders love to use all their authority over the people.
26. But it should not be that way with you. Whoever wants to be your leader must be your servant.
27. Whoever wants to be first must serve the rest of you like a slave.
28. Do as I did: The Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.”

Are you seriously putting this on God?

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WOMEN SHOULD GO BEYOND SUBMISSION
The Bible goes beyond submission. It commanded women not only to submit but to REVERENCE their husbands as they would a King and the Family Head.
“Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus Christ never showed "reverence" to any man and He as the Only Teacher over His flock taught His followers to do the same.

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MEN SHOULD GO BEYOND LOVE
For men, it commanded them not just to love their Wives but to HONOUR the Women they chose to Marry as you would a Queen and First Lady
“Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬.

Jesus Christ commanded His followers against adding or removing from His teaching. So, what Peter says here is not of Jesus Christ since Jesus Christ never, in fact, commands His followers to do any such.

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So the teaching of Bishop Oyedepo is in order and based on biblical principles and the standard of God. Nobody should try to contradict this truth of the word of God and cause confusion among young married couples. Christians should stop bringing up unnecessary controversy to whatever has been settled in the Bible:
“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:22, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Wives are to submit; husbands are to love.
This is clear and direct in the Bible.

Daddy Freeze shouldn’t have tried to water down the message as he did. Seeking to edit all sermons or teachings of fathers in faith will not help us in the long run. Let's fear God and honour His servants.

Your Bishop, Freeze, and you, are wrong, and this according to the teachings of Jesus Christ Himself.