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donjazet:
There is no way on earth, you will Logically defend the archaic and anachronistic rules of your beliefs I just outlined. I actually see you as a good, mild-mannered individual who was just unfortunate to have been born into such a terrible system or religion, but try as you may, until you shed such archaic beliefs and practices ,you hold dear, you can't be seen to be a logical or critically thinking individual.

Secondly, I will repeat this again. Rarely, will i ever instigate an attack on someone.
For instance, you are the one who has initiated this heated argument between us by maniacally alluding to my supposed "issues". I only vehemently respond to such unwarranted attacks. Moreso, I did not attack you, I attacked your controversial beliefs. Of course, you should be open to a constructive criticism of your beliefs, keeping in mind, they may be wrong.

Lastly, I do not claim to know everything. As a matter of fact, my hallmark is my open mindedness. My dogma is built upon a culmination of different beliefs far from mine, not just that which i was born into and I do hope you could adopt such approach.

Ok.

Amoto94:
Ok.

K.

N'Golo Kanté for Chelsea in the Premier League this season:

• Most recoveries (36)
• Most duels won (27)
• Most interceptions (20)
• Most tackles (13)

He also has the most interceptions in the entire Premier League. He’s off form, but not ‘finished’.
Source: London Football

Segedinho:
Is this true??


https://mobile.twitter.com/osas_medici/status/1317884271529545734

Imagine Jonathan go dey collect for Deputy Governor, governor, Vice president and President

seankafor:
that one off me How further low can he(it) gets

I think say donj na ur paddy..

raumdeuter:
Imagine Jonathan go dey collect for Deputy Governor, governor, Vice president and President

Plenty things dey wrong with Nigeria

Almost a week after the Lekki massacre, LASG is yet to release the so-called footage.

Hmmm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6zEeyPuI1o

[color=royalblue]Did anyone notice the heavy traffic on the mainland today?

No traffic wardens, no LASTMA.

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izzou:
[color=royalblue]Did anyone notice the heavy traffic on the mainland today?

No traffic wardens, no LASTMA.

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You get mind sha when curfew is 6pm
Abeg brt Dan start work

Expert17:
Fabregas 29 EPL appearances was from the bench right?

Or Fabregas played DM with Matic?

What concerns Fabregas here. Kante won epl best player by pairing with Matic in a two man midfield. Leicester played 442 formation when they won epl. Go check who defended more between Kante and Matic or Drinkwater.

Special agent fashola

iamoyindamola:
Special agent fashola

Lols.

Let's go
Who b dis?

MorataFC:
Let's go
Who b dis?

Ziyech

MorataFC:
Let's go Who b dis?

Pulisic

Ibime:
He only spoke about the 13 he took to Hospital. Fatalities may or may not come from his 13. I don't see reason for him lying about his 13 cos he confirmed fatalities from the ones he took to Hospital from Lekki-Ajah Police shootings. I have not disputed the 2 to 12 fatality figure. In a crowd of hundreds or thousands, the probability of 2 to 12 fatalities from strays is likely in a shooting incident, but does not correspond with the fatalities I'd expect from sustained and premeditated horizontal shooting from many soldiers which should number in the hundreds if I'm being frank. In a civilised society, this would be called a massacre but in Nigerian context, the number of fatalities speaks to routine army behaviour of shooting in the air with a few strays.

And yet we have multiple sources confirming deaths even the governor. I know it's highly unlikely that the body count is up to 70+ as some were alluding but you would have to be naïve to think the count would not run into the double figures. Btw 10-20

I have already conceded it is unlikely all 4 officers could have been shooting horizontally but I don't believe for even one second that none of them did so. That is simply not true and air shots will not bring that many casualties

When you shoot people and leave them for dead it's a massacre, using Nigerian context just shows we are animals with zero regards for human life. That is part of the problem

Ibime:
It is human nature to rush a gunshot victim to the closest Hospital(s). The only reason to take them further afield is if they need imminent surgery and Theatre capacity is full as we saw in your video. Of the 13 injured that guy rushed to Hospital, only one was advised for further transfer due to theatre capacity. This speaks to low velocity injuries rather than horizontal shooting.

Remember these hospitals have limited capacity. Most likely at least 3 hospitals received victims of bullet wounds in double figures. The video is only one part

This hospital said they received over 20 with about two or three in critical condition.

Ibime:
The video I saw showed two injured but very much alive protesters being taken to the soldiers from the back. If the soldiers had shot horizontally, it's the people in the front that would have dropped. You can also corroborate with the video from the high-rise building, and there were no multiples of bodies with the soldiers, nor did they cart away multiple bodies. The people videoing from the high-rise have a bird's eye view of the incident and are not in danger and have no reason not to document the reality. The fact people in the front were still facing and videoing the soldiers as they took the injured to them shows they were not under horizontal attack.

This is not entirely accurate. We can't say for sure that nobody in the front was hit. The videos don't capture any actual moments where bullets hit people so you can't definitively say this

Also what happened to the people that were dumped with the army? Did the people then later go back to carry the bodies they initially dumped in front of the army for treatment? That doesn't add up.

I don't know the videos you saw but the ones I did definitely had dead people in it. There was this one with an old gentleman with a green cap on traditional wear and he was most definitely dead

Ibime:
That may be the work of a stray bullet or an errant shot, but you can catch a bullet to any part of the body depending on how dispersed the crowd is and the angle of the air-shot. This is why celebratory gunfire is banned in most cities cos bullet must land, and in a packed protest, you have high chance of bullets landing on people with low impact. Remember say na celebratory gunfire wey Okonkwo take kill pesin for Things Fall Apart that got him banished from Umuofia. Also we are talking about Nigeria here where patients often bleed out from intermediate wounds, where there is no Public health capacity and limited private health capacity. This is not the West where they can save many lives from major severity wounds with a lot of public health capacity to treat the injured in a terrorist incident. In Nigeria, you would likely die from an intermediate severity wound especially when capacity is stretched. Which leads me to deduce that we are talking mostly about minor wounds from falling bullets.

You couldn't possibly generate that many casualties from airshots. The variety of injuries I've seen are certainly not the products of air shots and are not consistent with parts of the body that air shots are capable of hitting.

The more realistic possibility is that there were brief periods of horizontal shooting which was limited due to the weapon capacity on ground.

Ibime:
What is there to aim for when shooting into a massed crowd? You can't miss. We have seen videos of protesters at the front taking injured protesters to the army who are 10 metres away. 5 soldiers at that range will kill far more than any single Vegas shooter shooting from hotel window. An AK-47 can dispose a 30 round clip in 3 seconds and can let off 600 rounds per minute so why won't 5 soldiers at that range do way more damage than the Vegas shooter?

You would definitely need to aim to get maximum carnage. People are running so it's not like they are sitting still while the shooting went on. Ability of the shooter and quality of weaponry on ground is the difference between 5 dead and say 50 dead.

The soldiers shot for 30 seconds the Vegas shooter shot for 10 minutes. Also your AK-47 breakdown missed out a few caveats. You would need a full cycle rate on purely automatic mode to generate anything close to 600 rounds

We all heard those shots. They were most likely semi autos which will give you 40-50 rounds per minute at best. Nowhere close to the ARs Paddock used at max capacity

Long story short. The Vegas shooter was working with vastly superior ammunition and firepower. An AR15 is superior and capable of far more damage than an AK-47

Ibime:
The casualty count and severity of injuries is more consistent with stray bullets and falling bullets in a crowded area. The fatality rate is nowhere near high enough to suggest there was any sustained horizontal firing by even one soldier. It may speak to one or two seconds burst of horizontal firing by one soldier which you can call stray bullets. I'm only calling it stray cos I can't determine at this stage if it is premeditated from command, or from few seconds of errant soldier behaviour or genuine misfiring error. The initial reports of 49 deaths is what made me think it was premeditated from command but the actual numbers materialising forces me by logic to veer toward the other two possibilities.

Let's agree to disagree because I don't buy this argument that there was no horizontal shooting and bullets merely fell from the sky and somehow lodged into over 50 people within 30 seconds to one minute of fire

So Sherlock Fashola Holmes travelled all the way from Abuja to Lagos and he was the first person to sight the camera with no difficulty. Camera that people had been searching for since last week.

afrodoc2:
So Sherlock Fashola Holmes travelled all the way from Abuja to Lagos and he was the first person to sight the camera with no difficulty. Camera that people had been searching for since last week.

Untouched and undamaged. The shamelessness and incompetence of this Government is amusing

LAWMA no see am, News agencies no see am, protesters and looters no see am.

So Fashola can see these things na him Boko Haram dey and we didn't see Chibok girls on time. Orisirisi

Fuji house of commotion

A40:
Untouched and undamaged. The shamelessness and incompetence of this Government is amusing

LAWMA no see am, News agencies no see am, protesters and looters no see am.

So Fashola can see these things na him Boko Haram dey and we didn't see Chibok girls on time. Orisirisi

the way naija politicians dey lie like say na fools and goats he is lying to..

If you must lie, take into cognisance that it's human being with brains you are lying to, not chairs and woods..
This probably telling us Nigerians that we can do nothing.. I mean the worst thing I learnt you can tell a man is he can do nothing.. but in this case I don't think we can do anything nonetheless.. the gorvenment has proven beyond doubt that there is nothing no one can do about things they do.. reason they churn out cheap and stupid lies that will make a new born toddler think twice if his brain is thwarted..

Otherwise tell me how a full grown man will come out and tell people that snake swallowed money..

I even heard they said the lagos gorvenment needs 1 trillion naira to fix damaged properties.. like not billions, trillion..
How much are they building akon city and many smart cities..that you will use 1 trillion naira to fix and replace brt buses..

Oh mehn I pity those dying for the country... Their deaths are all in vain ..that's the sad truth

Thiago Silva gave me joy.

This is why using winning UCL and World cup (team achievements) to confirm the quality of a player is not always sensible. At 36, he is still better than some carry along CBs that won UCL and World cup because of the team they played for.

Silva deserves to win one of those trophies before calling it quits.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0RRReJ7DQU

airmark:
Thiago Silva gave me joy.

This is why using winning UCL and World cup (team achievements) to confirm the quality of a player is not always sensible. At 36, he is still better than some carry along CBs that won UCL and World cup because of the team they played for.

Silva deserves to win one of those trophies before calling it quits.

[color=royalblue]Are you trying to send a mail to someone, sir? [/color]

MorataFC:
a sane person can't support loss of lives and looting of property in any FORM of protest.

A friend of mine was narrating his ordeal how his mum lost close to hundred of millions in a single day, according to him ( though he might exaggerate the figure) 156 iphones and close to 400 of other brand mainly Samsung.
[ i for say na God catch the woman b'cos she talks anyhow to anybody, no regard to anyone that is not up to her standard even to her husband, she treats her workers as if they are nobody ] nonetheless I still pity her.

If Sam Adeyemi church was among of those building that were burnt down, his narrative would be different from what is up there,
Many cars were destroyed many shops were looted if yours (who is reading this post) is among, I'm sure your narrative will also be different.

I'm not in anyway support the government but the protesters actions are excessively overboard.

You don't know Sam Adeyemi

A40:
You would definitely need to aim to get maximum carnage. People are running so it's not like they are sitting still while the shooting went on. Ability of the shooter and quality of weaponry on ground is the difference between 5 dead and say 50 dead.

The soldiers shot for 30 seconds the Vegas shooter shot for 10 minutes. Also your AK-47 breakdown missed out a few caveats. You would need a full cycle rate on purely automatic mode to generate anything close to 600 rounds

We all heard those shots. They were most likely semi autos which will give you 40-50 rounds per minute at best. Nowhere close to the ARs Paddock used at max capacity

Long story short. The Vegas shooter was working with vastly superior ammunition and firepower. An AR15 is superior and capable of far more damage than an AK-47

Without wishing to flog a dead horse, your facts above are at odds with the witness reports which stated 20 soldiers shot for 15-30 minutes (1st picture)

2nd picture shows the density of the crowd which is stretched out so far that the estimated 20-60 injuries would easily be caused by falling bullets

3rd picture shows the proximity of the soldiers to the front line of the protesters at the start of the shooting. Any sustained horizontal shooting would have led to dozens if not hundreds of fatalities. They don't need to aim at anything to claim hundreds of souls.

As Afrodoc said, shooting live rounds in the air to disperse a crowd is unacceptable in any civilised society which I agree with, but the maths of horizontal shooting into all these people at this distance does not add up.

Ibime:
Without wishing to flog a dead horse, your facts above are at odds with the witness reports which stated 20 soldiers shot for 15-30 minutes (1st picture)

2nd picture shows the density of the crowd which is stretched out so far that the estimated 20-60 injuries would easily be caused by falling bullets

3rd picture shows the proximity of the soldiers to the front line of the protesters at the start of the shooting. Any sustained horizontal shooting would have led to dozens if not hundreds of fatalities. They don't need to aim at anything to claim hundreds of souls.

As Afrodoc said, shooting live rounds in the air to disperse a crowd is unacceptable in any civilised society which I agree with, but the maths of horizontal shooting into all these people at this distance does not add up.

Are you saying no shot was fired horizontally in Lekki?

airmark:
Are you saying no shot was fired horizontally in Lekki?

I did not discount that but it is clear that if any, there were very few otherwise the density of crowd would have ensured plenty fatalities, and it is impossible to say if any horizontal shot was ordered from command, errant soldier or a misfiring error judging by the low fatalities. That's why they call it stray bullet.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Are you trying to send a mail to someone, sir? [/color]

Not only one person, everyone that won't let us hear word about UCL and World cup.

Ibime:
I did not discount that but it is clear that if any, there were very few otherwise the density of crowd would have ensured plenty fatalities, and it is impossible to say if any horizontal shot was ordered from command, errant soldier or a misfiring error judging by the low fatalities. That's why they call it stray bullet.

Ok.

airmark:
Don't answer the question i didn't ask you. Below was what i asked you i have retentive memory bro.



And i answered that Fraudiola question by telling that shameless Barca fan that since Fraudiola left Messi, Fifa had no reason to say anything about him. Let's wait for when Messi comes to help him again.

He is a certified Fraud.

Again this is what UEFA has had to say about him in the screenshot below.


Messi with pep guardiola four ballon d'or
Media without pep guardiola one ballon d'or


Maybe is messi actually waiting pep guardiola to help him rather.

Ibime:
Without wishing to flog a dead horse, your facts above are at odds with the witness reports which stated 20 soldiers shot for 15-30 minutes (1st picture)

2nd picture shows the density of the crowd which is stretched out so far that the estimated 20-60 injuries would easily be caused by falling bullets

Approached Ibime not shot, there is no part of that article that shows any witness claiming 20 soldiers shot and at what frequency.

For all we know there were 20 soldiers and only 2 or 3 opened fire. I don't know where you got your 20 soldiers shooting from.

Ibime:
3rd picture shows the proximity of the soldiers to the front line of the protesters at the start of the shooting. Any sustained horizontal shooting would have led to dozens if not hundreds of fatalities. They don't need to aim at anything to claim hundreds of souls.

As Afrodoc said, shooting live rounds in the air to disperse a crowd is unacceptable in any civilised society which I agree with, but the maths of horizontal shooting into all these people at this distance does not add up.

As it stands we still don't know the exact numbers of casualties and fatalities

From where the soldiers stood to where the protesters are there would not be enough velocity in the bullets to get to the protesters and hurt so many if they were merely airshots. That math is not mathing right

I have conceded that there probably wasn't sustained horizontal shooting but sufficient enough to put fear in the hearts of the protesters so they don't overstep their boundaries and that is the damage we are seeing here.

If the soldiers shot merely airshots then going by your theory surely some of them might have been victims to 'falling bullets' as well

afrodoc2:
It does not matter if the bullets fell from sky or crawled out of the ground.

The Nigerian Army sent its soldiers to shoot bullets out of their guns at or near PEACEFUL protesters. The outcome was that at least 13 Nigerians suffered bullet injuries and at least 2 Nigerians (according to the governor) lost their lives.

That is enough to call for justice. Even if it was the norm previously in Nigeria to use live bullets against peacefully protesting citizens we need to change the narrative.

This is actually another variant of the heavy handed SARS behavior that people were protesting about. Which sane government sends its soldiers to shoot at its own citizens?

It is inexcusable that people are suffering gunshot wounds because of peaceful protests and if one of the people that died was my relative I would find it unforgivable as well.

Having said all that people should learn to stop sharing unconfirmed news that might in the long run call into question the veracity of the protesters’ claims. The government will magnify your one piece of fake news and cast doubt on all other claims.

Doc don soro soke

EOD