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joviegghead:


If Koeman plays the wrong players, it has to be Messi's fault

SonOfAfonja:
If Messi decides to stay in Barca then he must be the most stupid person ever.

Man City awaits you...

joviegghead:


If Koeman plays the wrong players, it has to be Messi's fault

Techiekingee:
How I wish this was a WhatsApp group....Na to just kick out most of these Messi haters.....no joy

TLona1:
Messi had a goal and assist against Juve last week, they kept mute.

They had to wait for him to have a bad game yesterday to come out of their shells, telling us he's this and that.

My God will soon shame all of you.. Especially that SatanX

joviegghead:
You still can't decipher what I just wrote?!
Okay I'll spell it.

Your excuses for other attackers doesn't make sense. You claim Griezmann's hasn't had playing time? Nah! Check again. Fam, has played and has had barca's best scoring chances. Guess what?! He missed 98% of them.

You claim Trincao have shipped in few goals! Nah! He hasn't even dropped an assist(I think). Pedri, just 1 or 2. Coutinho, let's not talk about that one.

You defended Dembele. Yes, he hasn't played much but the boy's decision-making can be terrible like in Turin.

You claim Messi has taken over 70% of the teams shot and he hasn't scored. This is the same guy that drops deep to create chances and makes things happen. What about the other attackers playing? Your stat simply highlights the bluntness and one-sided nature of barca attack with only Messi aiming shots while the rest of the team(including other attackers) can boast of less than 30% shot.

Doesn't that sound like our attackers need to start stepping up? Yet you single out Messi as the only faulty attacker not scoring from open play.

joviegghead:
SatanX!!!

Dead

They are so annoying. Will be bringing up illogical arguments as if they were born criticize Messi. Mehn,...

joviegghead:
SatanX!!!

Dead

They are so annoying. Will be bringing up illogical arguments as if they were born criticize Messi. Mehn,...

Godx:
* Griezmann has hardly had game time in his preferred position. He had been shuffled to the wings and when he plays he averages one/ two shot per match. Can you imagine that stats? A goal scorer like Grez averaging one shot per match and you are labeling him wasteful?


*Countinho and Pedri has more open play goals than Messi this season hope you know that?


* Messi averaging 70% of our shots shows how our other attackers are being ignored in good position and everyone keeps passing to Messi because that's what he wants. There was a period during the sevilla match Fati took a shot and Messi was angry and shouted at him for not passing to him. Imagine Fati in that position next time what do you think he will do? You think only Messi likes taking shots because Griezmann, Dembele and countinho don't have legs as well.


*Messi is our only attcker apart from trin who hasn't scored from open play this season despite taking 70% of all our attempts so who should the bulk of the blame go to for our poor finishing?

Godx:
*Illogical argument*

You mean Messi finding it difficult to score from open play since January is illogical and not worthy to be talked about? From covid-19 la liga restart till today he has only scored 3goals from open play out of 17matches
Or, scored on 2 matches in the last 17 La liga matches from an open play. I will keep shut from henceforth and when we get disgraced again by another big team then you shift the blame to the coach as usual.

SonOfAfonja:
If Messi decides to stay in Barca then he must be the most stupid person ever.

Man City awaits you...

tesppidd:
[s] So if we get knocked out by a big team;

*It will not be because we just had a new coach who is bringing in a new pattern, philosophy, and style.

*It will not be because the coach has made a couple of poor decisions wrt his team selections.

*It will not be because we have a lot of new and young players who need time to blend in.

*It will not be because Lenglet and Neto made elementary mistakes that cost us to technically lose 4 points in our last 2 league matches and more such errors will come.

*It will not be because our strikers Griezman and Braithwaite cannot score goals.

*It will not be because our defence might be a little shaky like it's always been and concede easy goals.


YOU HAVE NO ANY IDEA YET HOW MANY GOALS DEMBELE, GRIEZMAN, COUTINHO, FATI, TRINCAO AND PEDRI WILL SCORE FROM OPEN PLAY.
OR HOW MANY ERRORS PIQUE, LENGLET AND NETO WILL MAKE AT THE BACK.
OR HOW MANY WRONG SELECTIONS DONALD TRUMP-LOOKING KOEMAN WILL MAKE ALONG THE WAY;

BUT IN YOUR INFINITE WISDOM IF WE GET KNOCKED OUT AGAIN IT WILL BE ENTIRELY BECAUSE MESSI HAS NOT SCORED FROM OPEN PLAY OR WILL NOT SCORE FROM OPEN PLAY.


You are extremely indiscretionary. It's a disgrace to this thread. [/s]

tesppidd:
So if we get knocked out by a big team;

*It will not be because we just had a new coach who is bringing in a new pattern, philosophy, and style.

*It will not be because the coach has made a couple of poor decisions wrt his team selections.

*It will not be because we have a lot of new and young players who need time to blend in.

*It will not be because Lenglet and Neto made elementary mistakes that cost us to technically lose 4 points in our last 2 league matches and more such errors will come.

*It will not be because our strikers Griezman and Braithwaite cannot score goals.

*It will not be because our defence might be a little shaky like it's always been and concede easy goals.


YOU HAVE NO ANY IDEA YET HOW MANY GOALS DEMBELE, GRIEZMAN, COUTINHO, FATI, TRINCAO AND PEDRI WILL SCORE FROM OPEN PLAY.
OR HOW MANY ERRORS PIQUE, LENGLET AND NETO WILL MAKE AT THE BACK.
OR HOW MANY WRONG SELECTIONS DONALD TRUMP-LOOKING KOEMAN WILL MAKE ALONG THE WAY;

BUT IN YOUR INFINITE WISDOM IF WE GET KNOCKED OUT AGAIN IT WILL BE ENTIRELY BECAUSE MESSI HAS NOT SCORED FROM OPEN PLAY OR WILL NOT SCORE FROM OPEN PLAY.


You are extremely indiscretionary. It's a disgrace to this thread.

monerozi5590:
Will you die if you criticize Messi?

Godx:
K

tesppidd:
[s] What you're already saying in November 2020 is that the day we get knocked out in 2021 it will be because of Messi.

Your logic is filthy, it stinks. [/s]

Godx:
K

tesppidd:
Besides Griezman maybe, Messi is the attacker who tracks back the most.

It's obvious people are always blocking you in your viewing centre so you hardly see that.

And the place is probably always so noisy you don't hear the commentator praise him for that.

In addition if you see the statistics, Messi is always the player with the highest possession, and the highest passes.

What does this mean? It means that he's almost always the most hardworking player on the pitch.

hopefulLandlord:
I think you're conflating the words "Track back" and "Drop deep". Messi drops deep to get balls but that doesn't mean he tracks back as tracking back would mean coming back to try to win the ball by pressing, marking, chasing etc. what Messi does is "walk slowly" back and hope his hardworking Barcelona teammates has recovered the ball before he gets to just before the halfway line so they would pass to him and he tries to create

Messi is arguably the worst player in terms of tracking back. doesn't even try to mark when the ball is around him most times except when he feels like.
The problem with this tactic is that while it would work most times against most Laliga oppositions who are inferior to Barcelona, it's destined for failure against teams that defend as a unit and attack as one like Bayern who has quality but all players put in defensive efforts when the team is out of possession. Yes there are coaches that instruct some players not to put in defensive shift but I seriously doubt There's any coach that would instruct a player to be as useless as Messi is when Barcelona don't have the ball.

hopefulLandlord:
I think you're conflating the words "Track back" and "Drop deep". Messi drops deep to get balls but that doesn't mean he tracks back as tracking back would mean coming back to try to win the ball by pressing, marking, chasing etc. what Messi does is "walk slowly" back and hope his hardworking Barcelona teammates has recovered the ball before he gets to just before the halfway line so they would pass to him and he tries to create

Messi is arguably the worst player in terms of tracking back. doesn't even try to mark when the ball is around him most times except when he feels like.
The problem with this tactic is that while it would work most times against most Laliga oppositions who are inferior to Barcelona, it's destined for failure against teams that defend as a unit and attack as one like Bayern who has quality but all players put in defensive efforts when the team is out of possession. Yes there are coaches that instruct some players not to put in defensive shift but I seriously doubt There's any coach that would instruct a player to be as useless as Messi is when Barcelona don't have the ball especially in big games against quality oppositions

When Ancelotti came to Madrid, he said in a press conference that Ronaldo does not need to track back and defend and Ronaldo reduced his defensive efforts but when Madrid is facing a quality opposition like in that season's semi finals against Bayern you could see him track back, press, mark, make defensive headers during set pieces amongst others. Even the equaliser that season against juventus at in Italy came from him pressuring lichsteiner who lost the ball and lead to his (Ronaldo's) goal

Godx:
Try competing at top when midfield have to adapt to a player that cant/wont track back and adapt to the lack of options from players running off ball etc.
Messi when ball in his area is best ever but off the ball he is Barcas biggest weakness in terms of attacking/defending as a unit.

Sociedad targetted our right side all night and we were lucky they did not get more joy from it.

Godx:
Messi definitely followed Pep tactical instructions. I won't say he was free under Guardiola and then you look at Enrique first season when Messi was purely a winger damn he was a monster. We had Messi and Neymar destroying both wings. I have never been a fan of Messi having free role and dropping into midfield because it renders one of our wing useless. You either have Messi take a disciplined tactical role or you have an unbalanced team - not both.

Godx:
*Illogical argument*

You mean Messi finding it difficult to score from open play since January is illogical and not worthy to be talked about? From covid-19 la liga restart till today he has only scored 3goals from open play out of 17matches
Or, scored on 2 matches in the last 17 La liga matches from an open play. I will keep shut from henceforth and when we get disgraced again by another big team then you shift the blame to the coach as usual.

Godx:
K

joviegghead:
So messi should be blamed for our dry spell in terms of goalscoring.

Funny thing is messi has said it plainly that he's focused on creating chances and helping the team. And if possibly he do his best to still keep scoring.

That statement shows a selfless outlook. If messi had scored 90% of our goals.
Someone like you will still come online and say he loves hugging all glory and pushes other attackers into second frame.
Another thing is he knows barca is deficient in the creative department. No one can be trusted to create consistently.

Our goals this season , Messi has had a role on most of them. This is undisputable.

Yet all you see is 'he hasn't scored from open play'.

Oga Criticizer, continue. Even football pundits have constantly lauded messi who drops back and still make things happen. He's everywhere. Griezmann we praise for work rate, what has he done? 1 goal!

Godx:
[s]I didn't even understand what you typing anymore. This guy you will say A, somebody will reply your A then you will jump to Z then W and end at M. What you have written now how does it relate to your initial post that started this discussion in the first place which was about our "Attackers being poor at finishing[/s]"

tesppidd:
Rubbish!

Baddestguyp:
Man city is worse than barca

Godx:
I didn't even understand what you typing anymore. This guy you will say A, somebody will reply your A then you will jump to Z then W and end at M. What you have written now how does it relate to your initial post that started this discussion in the first place which was about our "Attackers being poor at finishing"

SonOfAfonja:
That’s not the point I’m trying to make, he needs to leave so the retards blaming him for Barca’s misfortune can face the team and not pick on a player...

tesppidd:
This here shows the detailed performance ratings so far this season from whoscored.com

The first is for the champions league.

The second is for la liga.


But here we are that after 2 match days he's got the best all round performance in The Champions League.

After 6 match days he has the second best performance in La Liga.


Then we have some never do well busy bodies constituting nuisance all over the place.

They don't know how to praise, all they know is how to criticize.

All they see is how many times he was dispossesed.

Then they see how he has not scored from open play.