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'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Nobody: 6:44pm On Nov 02, 2020
- Pope Francis appeared to support civil unions in new documentary Francesco
- The Vatican has now claimed the quotes were selectively edited in the film
- The Church said the film omitted the Pope's other remarks about homosexuality


The Vatican says comments by Pope Francis on civil union laws in a documentary last month were taken out of context and did not signal a change in Church doctrine on homosexuals or support for same-sex marriage.

The documentary Francesco, which premiered at the Rome film festival on October 21, made headlines for a comment in which the pope says that homosexuals have a right to be in a family and that civil union laws covering homosexuals are needed.

The pope's comments prompted praise from liberals and calls for urgent clarification from conservatives.

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Last week, the Vatican's Secretariat of State quietly sent an 'explanatory note' to its ambassadors, who sent it to bishops.

The note was first reported by papal biographer Austen Ivereigh.

A Vatican source confirmed it on Monday and the Vatican's ambassador to Mexico posted it on his Facebook page.

It says that two separate quotes in response to separate questions were spliced to appear as one, deleting the intervening context and questions.

The documentary's director, Russian-born American citizen Evgeny Afineevsky, told reporters he interviewed the pope but journalists later found the footage in a 2019 interview with Mexico's Televisa. Some was not previously aired.

After the documentary premiered, Afineevsky refused to discuss the editing process. It was not immediately possible to contact him for comment on the Vatican note.

The note said that in the first quote, the pope was referring to the right of homosexuals to be accepted by their own families as children and siblings.

Some saw the comments as homosexuals having a right to form families.

The note said the documentary cut comments where the pope expressed opposition to opposed homosexual marriage and made clear he was referring to civil union laws, which some countries have enacted to regulate benefits such as health care.

A phrase where Francis said 'it is an incongruence to speak of homosexual marriage' was cut.

'It is clear that Pope Francis was referring to certain state provisions and certainly not the doctrine of the Church, which he has reaffirmed numerous times over the years,' the note said.

The Church teaches that homosexual tendencies are not sinful but homosexual acts are and that homosexuals must be treated with respect.

The Pope appeared to say in the film: 'Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God. Nobody should be thrown out or be made miserable over it.

'What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered.'

Francis's predecessors, including Benedict XVI and John Paul II, condemned same-sex marriage during their papal tenure.

Francis himself had opposed legislation to approve same-sex marriages in Argentina when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires a decade ago - but had supported some kind of legal protection for the rights of gay couples at the time.

However, shortly after becoming Pope, he said of gay people that 'we must be brothers'.

He added: 'If a person is gay and seeks God and has goodwill, who am I to judge him?'

For LGBTQ advocates, Pope Francis' apparent message was not just seen an endorsement of same-sex civil unions, but also an approval of same-sex parents having the privilege of raising families.

On social media, his comments were applauded by celebrities, commentators and members of LGBTQ community alike.

Talk show host Ellen DeGeneres wrote: 'Thank you, Pope Francis, for seeing love for what it is.'
Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8905421/Vatican-moves-clarify-popes-comments-civil-union-laws.html

Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Davash222(m): 6:49pm On Nov 02, 2020
How can a sane Man leave succulent breasts with fresh thighs accompanied with German juice and decides to settle with flat chest and dry nyashhuh
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Stephenomozzy(m): 6:55pm On Nov 02, 2020
When certain aberrations are not "outrightly" spoken against, but one tries yo be politically correct, it becomes easy for your stand to be taken out of context.

"Homosexuality in all ramifications is against the belief of the church, and even if I can't judge them as I'm not God, I strongly do not support it"

An example of the bolded above can not be taken out of context! Because it is straight
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by DenreleDave(m): 7:19pm On Nov 02, 2020
Ok
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Righteousness89(m):
We are in the Very Last times,
Don't be Carried away with titles and Positions,
Don't be Carried away with their flatteries and sweet tongue,
They Can only Confuse one who is Spiritually Blind to what is Happening !!
They are Neither here nor there!
They are working tirelessly behind the Scene to do the work of their Master , the " Lawless one"!
Their true Color will be Revealed in due Season

Work out your Salvation with Fear and Trembling!!
Genuine Salvation through JESUS Christ is our only way to be Saved..
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by jesusjnr2020(m):
It's just a real shame...

Why can't he just come out and outrightly condemn same-sex marriages as his predecessors did?

Let them keep trying to deny the obvious. One day every secret and hidden agenda would be revealed.

"For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known." Luke 12:1
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Juliusmomoh: 8:48pm On Nov 02, 2020
Now they are trying to cover it up.....
The man na devil himself
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Xbee007(m): 9:58pm On Nov 02, 2020
Why not man up and speak your mind so people can know your stance.
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by ATEAMS:
We acquire a particular quality by acting in a particular way.

Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Wiseandtrue(f):
There's an adage that says "you should not smell what you know you cannot eat!!!"

Why should the Pope support it partiallyhuh

This is the major reason God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah

They were sleeping with their fellow men

God frowns at such!

So why should the Pope, support it partiallyhuh Whyhuh

Read the scriptures:
Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."

Modified
loveth360:
People looking for whom to blame.
What sins did Sodom and
Gomorrah commit that the world today have not commit more than 10 times.
Is like you take pride in the sins being committed

Quantinue, wear am for neck like medal undecided

SMH
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Mokason288(m): 9:59pm On Nov 02, 2020
Either taken out of Context or Not it’s only the blind that don’t know that the POPE is an Agent Illuminati

I HOPE I MADE SENSE
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Yeeyo: 9:59pm On Nov 02, 2020
By their fruit we shall know them
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by ictjobber: 9:59pm On Nov 02, 2020
Whether we like it or not, the gays will alway be a part of our society... The earlier we all get used to this... The better for us. Live and let them live.. and leave judgement for your almighty.. That's my own stance.

Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by ILoveDemMANNA: 9:59pm On Nov 02, 2020
FAKE NEWS must be dealt with by all means worldwide.
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Memphitz537(m): 9:59pm On Nov 02, 2020
Homosexuality isn't natural. Stop all this gay sh!t,abeg angry
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by valarmorghulis: 9:59pm On Nov 02, 2020
Didn't fully...? U mean he partially supported gay union ba
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by ursullalinda(f): 10:00pm On Nov 02, 2020
Don't care about those misquoting Pope.......his message is very clear........Show homosexuals love and bring them closer........that way they will be easier to convert.......wonder why people started blabbing nonsense......well don't need to convince anybody........Catholic and proud!
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by AFULA(m): 10:00pm On Nov 02, 2020
okay
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Hambivert:
Sparogatively, I have no business with the pope and I'm not interested in knowing who is bankrolling him.
It's those people that are called Feminist Coalition that I was and is still more concerned with!

Group wanted to hijack the #EndSars protest for their selfish ideology. What the hell? angry

I mean what the hell? huh angry
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by desmondidiot: 10:01pm On Nov 02, 2020
Let pope come out and clear himself, occultic religious leaders
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by KossyKiss97(f): 10:01pm On Nov 02, 2020
Hmmm
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Epstein(m): 10:02pm On Nov 02, 2020
This Pope self.....
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Jemerson: 10:02pm On Nov 02, 2020
What he's saying is that, if a family finds out their son is gay, they shouldn't throw him out. There should be a law protecting such individuals. Everyone deserves to be in a family.
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Rugaria: 10:02pm On Nov 02, 2020
This very pope is up to something fishy on this very issue...
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Emu4life(m): 10:04pm On Nov 02, 2020
Which one be "didn't fully support" huh Bunch of hypocrites. The pope is gay, Catholics worship Idol and priests are pedophiles.SIMPLE
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by younglleo: 10:04pm On Nov 02, 2020
Pope wan disguise!
Werey

Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Coneheadyutes(m): 10:04pm On Nov 02, 2020
ok
Re: 'Pope Didn't Fully Support Gay Civil Unions, Comments Were Taken Out Of Context' by Arkmanbuddy(m): 10:05pm On Nov 02, 2020
Stephenomozzy:
When certain aberrations are not "outrightly" spoken against, but one tries yo be politically correct, it becomes easy for your stand to be taken out of context.

"Homosexuality in all ramifications is against the belief of the church, and even if I can't judge them as I'm not God, I strongly do not support it"

An example of the bolded above can not be taken out of context! Because it is straight
Oh man, you made a whole lot of sense!
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