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Nonexistent:
Until the snake attacks you. By the way, what's the usefulness of snake to the world sef?

Snakes eat rats, rodents etc. -- thereby keeping pest population down.

They are an extremely important lever in the eco-cycle.

The toxins in their venoms are also used to create some of the medicines used to combat strokes and Parkinson's disease.

This is why scientists always try to do their best to preserve life -- or at least, fight against extinction. They are very aware that in most cases, nature can be used to solve nature's problems.

Unlike the average black man that just kills and eat, and fails to think of tomorrow.

hakeem4:
Wow! See one of the beauty of evolution by natural selection.




How does all these rubbish you wrote up here prove the existence of any god?

Evolution by natural selection? And you are slating him for calling them God's creation?
What's the difference between you and him who attributed same discovery to different cause?

You may come with the elephant hurling "evolution is a PROVEN fact and only dumb folks deny it"

JoeEeL:
Snakes eat rats, rodents etc. -- thereby keeping pest population down.

They are an extremely important lever in the eco-cycle.

The toxins in their venoms are also used to create some of the medicines used to combat strokes and Parkinson's disease.

This is why scientists always try to do their best to preserve life -- or at least, fight against extinction. They are very aware that in most cases, nature can be used to solve nature's problems.

Unlike the average black man that just kills and eat, and fails to think of tomorrow.

Let all the Snakes relocate to the Labs then.
Snakes eat Rodents, yen yen yen. As if Rodents are entirely useless, other than being a prey to the creepy Reptile.
People kill Snakes because Snakes kill people, not the other way round.

Pelecius:
Evolution by natural selection? And you are slating him for calling them God's creation?
What's the difference between you and him who attributed same discovery to different cause?

You may come with the elephant hurling "evolution is a PROVEN fact and only dumb folks deny it"

People who do not accept the fact of evolution are either ignorant or plainly stupid

JoeEeL:
Snakes eat rats, rodents etc. -- thereby keeping pest population down.

They are an extremely important lever in the eco-cycle.

The toxins in their venoms are also used to create some of the medicines used to combat strokes and Parkinson's disease.

This is why scientists always try to do their best to preserve life -- or at least, fight against extinction. They are very aware that in most cases, nature can be used to solve nature's problems.

Unlike the average black man that just kills and eat, and fails to think of tomorrow.

Great response
Interaction and balancing of the ecosystem is a great feat of design which is even found in the 'simplest' form - the cell

hakeem4:
People who do not accept the fact of evolution are either ignorant or plainly stupid

Not surprised
I correctly predicted your fallacy of question begging epithet.
So much for who really fits your description

Pelecius:
Not surprised
I correctly predicted your fallacy of question begging epithet.
So much for who really fits your description

but tell me why you think evolution is wrong ?

hakeem4:
Wow! See one of the beauty of evolution by natural selection.




How does all these rubbish you wrote up here prove the existence of any god?

"A fool saith in his heart, there's no God."

"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom."

"...the things we preach is foolishness unto those who do not believe."

"God has chosen the weak things of this world to confound the 'wise,' so no one may glory in His presence."

"Oh the depth of the wisdom and understanding of God. How unsearchable are His way and His thoughts past finding out."

My friend, keep living in delusion. He owns the breath you breathe. He'll keep giving you a chance to believe. The devil is happy with your state of mind and he does not have to prove anything to you or have any business with you so you don't change your mind. He'll avoid you to keep you in your delusion - like he does to other atheists. I pray you do not exhaust God's patience and open your eyes after life to the wrong side of eternity.

hakeem4:
but tell me why you think evolution is wrong ?

The problem starts with what is evolution, clearly defining it.
Text book will give us the definition of change in allele frequency over time, leading to biodiversity. But that was not what Darwin proposed. He used evolution as a "scientific" alternative to special creation, that is; all life forms come from a single life form with mutation and natural selection as the mechanism that brings diversity (which must included increasing complexity, the thorniest challenge to Darwinian evolution)
The problem now is that the mechanisms which evolutionists trumpet as FACTS, mutation, adaptation, natural selection, genetic drift etc are real FACTS but relating these facts to Darwinian evolution subtly that over millions of years, a complex organism like man will arrive from a simpler organism such as a microbe is a fallacy of equivocation.

Darwin was not aware of the complexities of the 'simplest' cell, the knowledge of genetics and information, the irredicible complexities of biochemical path ways of organisms etc. But his theory then seem to fit the then observation of how species are formed through those mechanisms I stated earlier.
Now, the theory has become the main paradigm and any dissident is labeled stupid, evidence Denise, etc and no alternative (non materialistic) is welcomed even with the failed predictions about fossils, such as order of complexities, missing transitional fossils, constant reinterpretation of anomalies so as to keep faith with the theory, etc. Despite challenges of it failing to account for mechanisms that lead to increase in complexities (developing limbs for example), origin of the so called first cell, origin of information, why different gender, etc.

Pelecius:
Great response
Interaction and balancing of the ecosystem is a great feat of design which is even found in the 'simplest' form - the cell

Yes bro.

DeOTR:
Let all the Snakes relocate to the Labs then.
Snakes eat Rodents, yen yen yen. As if Rodents are entirely useless, other than being a prey to the creepy Reptile.
People kill Snakes because Snakes kill people, not the other round.

Haha, this one hate snake pa!

hakeem4:
Wow! See one of the beauty of evolution by natural selection.




How does all these rubbish you wrote up here prove the existence of any god?

hey kiddie, in the beginning God created heaven and earth Gen 1:1. Remember that no scientist can still or ever replace any part of the body in living things so it can be working originally as before. That's where a supreme being comes in. Borrowing a little common sense ( if you don't love and study science) you should ask how blood will form a living being with bones and central nervous system (a very complex system) you're now using your own CNS to imagine whether there's a God or not(funny I must say). When you wake up from your deadly slumber, you will appreciate God's glory.

Amazon na another planet on it's own.

Pelecius:
The problem starts with what is evolution, clearly defining it.
Text book will give us the definition of change in allele frequency over time, leading to biodiversity. But that was not what Darwin proposed. He used evolution as a "scientific" alternative to special creation, that is; all life forms come from a single life form with mutation and natural selection as the mechanism that brings diversity (which must included increasing complexity, the thorniest challenge to Darwinian evolution)
The problem now is that the mechanisms which evolutionists trumpet as FACTS, mutation, adaptation, natural selection, genetic drift etc are real FACTS but relating these facts to Darwinian evolution subtly that over millions of years, a complex organism like man will arrive from a simpler organism such as a microbe is a fallacy of equivocation.

Darwin was not aware of the complexities of the 'simplest' cell, the knowledge of genetics and information, the irredicible complexities of biochemical path ways of organisms etc. But his theory then seem to fit the then observation of how species are formed through those mechanisms I stated earlier.
Now, the theory has become the main paradigm and any dissident is labeled stupid, evidence Denise, etc and no alternative (non materialistic) is welcomed even with the failed predictions about fossils, such as order of complexities, missing transitional fossils, constant reinterpretation of anomalies so as to keep faith with the theory, etc. Despite challenges of it failing to account for mechanisms that lead to increase in complexities (developing limbs for example), origin of the so called first cell, origin of information, why different gender, etc.

Now you are turning this thread to a scientific class.
Origin of the so-called first cell, and origin of information These questions have nothing to do with evolution by natural selection. You are probably mistaking Abiogenesis for evolution.

Why do we have different genders? First of asexual animals rarely get more complex than worms. they just can't compete with the evolution of sexually reproducing organisms, because the ability to mix genes from separate lineages means evolution has more to work with.
Then there are hermaphroditic species like snails and slugs. But with most complex animals, it is advantageous to specialise. Males and females have certain characteristics (structural and behavioural) that help with their particular role in reproduction, and by specialising into gender, means that individuals do not need to grow and maintain both sets of complete mechanisms, "just in case." Evolution is good at optimisation, and the separation into genders is simple to evolve that confers an advantage over any other form of reproduction.

Everytime diz pple go dey luk for new spacie, they feet one days see Nigeria version of bush baby were be like human being

Nonexistent:
Until the snake attacks you. By the way, what's the usefulness of snake to the world sef?

well, at least when they die, they "add fertility" to the soil.

hakeem4:
but tell me why you think evolution is wrong ?

This post did not say anything about evolution. It talks about discovering some species previously unknown to the scientists in question, and also some species they thought have gone extinct due to displacement.
How you read the post and think this is talking about evolution is beyond me.

Aileexa1:
Why do we keep looking for new species?
Can any one cure any disease or become a money making machine?
Science itself is insatiable

Technology has always receive it's inspiration from these species.

In medical field, these species are study to understand certain features about them and see if such feature could be replicated in humans.

I want to own a house near the sea and feed on fresh fish everyday.

ibuildstuff:
Technology has always receive it's inspiration from these species.

In medical field, these species are study to understand certain features about them and see if such feature could be replicated in humans.

Lol, why would we want to replicate animalistic features in humans?

Nightstalker:
Looks like zzor

you are sick

Nightstalker:
Looks like zzor

you are sick

Aileexa1:
Lol, why would we want to replicate animalistic features in humans?

That some animals can hibernate themselves for years. We want to know how these animals can hibernate themselves and see if we can trigger such feature in human. Human hibernation will help alot in space exploration.
Some animals can grow back cut limbs, we want to know how they can do that and see if we can be like them too.

Fish swim in schools without bumping or crashing into one another, we see how's they are not crashing into one another and how we can replicate this in cars, to prevent car accident.

These are just some few examples.

Pelecius:
The problem starts with what is evolution, clearly defining it.
Text book will give us the definition of change in allele frequency over time, leading to biodiversity. But that was not what Darwin proposed. He used evolution as a "scientific" alternative to special creation, that is; all life forms come from a single life form with mutation and natural selection as the mechanism that brings diversity (which must included increasing complexity, the thorniest challenge to Darwinian evolution)
The problem now is that the mechanisms which evolutionists trumpet as FACTS, mutation, adaptation, natural selection, genetic drift etc are real FACTS but relating these facts to Darwinian evolution subtly that over millions of years, a complex organism like man will arrive from a simpler organism such as a microbe is a fallacy of equivocation.

Darwin was not aware of the complexities of the 'simplest' cell, the knowledge of genetics and information, the irredicible complexities of biochemical path ways of organisms etc. But his theory then seem to fit the then observation of how species are formed through those mechanisms I stated earlier.
Now, the theory has become the main paradigm and any dissident is labeled stupid, evidence Denise, etc and no alternative (non materialistic) is welcomed even with the failed predictions about fossils, such as order of complexities, missing transitional fossils, constant reinterpretation of anomalies so as to keep faith with the theory, etc. Despite challenges of it failing to account for mechanisms that lead to increase in complexities (developing limbs for example), origin of the so called first cell, origin of information, why different gender, etc.

So what ur own theory if evolution is fallacy. According to u it doesn't make sense that a complex being should evolve from a single cell. But do u know that a zygote is a single cell?


U don't even have right to disprove evolution wen u believe that a god just existed suddenly and talk everything into actualization.

U have not even prove ur god exist, u just believe with faith (believing without evidence) and here u are talking trash about evolution u know nothing about.

I mean if u study evolution and science deep enough, it totally made more sense than the Bible creation story.

ibuildstuff:
So what ur own theory if evolution is fallacy. According to u it doesn't make sense that a complex being should evolve from a single cell. But do u know that a zygote is a single cell?


U don't even have right to disprove evolution wen u believe that a god just existed suddenly and talk everything into actualization.

U have not even prove ur god exist, u just believe with faith (believing without evidence) and here u are talking trash about evolution u know nothing about.

I mean if u study evolution and science deep enough, it totally made more sense than the Bible creation story.

First of all, It’s unfortunate that Pelecius was banned for allegedly spamming, hence, a delay in responding


Like I do say, it comes to CLEARLY explaining what evolution entails. If you read what was written very well, you should have seen the objections raised.
Now, he never said evolution is a fallacy (which is why I want to believe that you didn’t comprehend the argument). And the response is still found in what you quoted.


Again, a good understanding of someone’s argument is very important. A zygote develops to become a baby who goes on to grow and develop into an adult because the fertilized ovum contains all the INFORMATION (manual) needed for such development in its DNA (those which codes for protein, those that regulate, etc). That is the key – the information. You should read extensively on that.


Again, when you set up a strawman to attack, it does not portray you as a smart guy. No informed Christian believes that God existed SUDDENLY. Again, you should understand who God is and his nature, then you should be able to make sound argument.
About him not having right is a fallacy called non sequitur. It’s like saying that Bible believers such as Louis Pasteur, Isaac Newton, etc. don’t have right to critique evolution theory because they believe in God.


Then, this is not about God exist or not. It is about seeing if a theory fits the observation.
You claim he knows nothing about evolution and yet, you think that a simple organism (say a bacteria) should become complex (a mammal?) because a zygote (which already contain every INFORMATION it needs to develop into an adult) develops. Remove the log in your eyes so you’ll be able to see clearly


You don’t need say this, it’s meant for you and on a final note, you should comprehend arguments well before confronting it

bapel:
First of all, It’s unfortunate that Pelecius was banned for allegedly spamming, hence, a delay in responding


Like I do say, it comes to CLEARLY explaining what evolution entails. If you read what was written very well, you should have seen the objections raised.
Now, he never said evolution is a fallacy (which is why I want to believe that you didn’t comprehend the argument). And the response is still found in what you quoted.


Again, a good understanding of someone’s argument is very important. A zygote develops to become a baby who goes on to grow and develop into an adult because the fertilized ovum contains all the INFORMATION (manual) needed for such development in its DNA (those which codes for protein, those that regulate, etc). That is the key – the information. You should read extensively on that.


Again, when you set up a strawman to attack, it does not portray you as a smart guy. No informed Christian believes that God existed SUDDENLY. Again, you should understand who God is and his nature, then you should be able to make sound argument.
About him not having right is a fallacy called non sequitur. It’s like saying that Bible believers such as Louis Pasteur, Isaac Newton, etc. don’t have right to critique evolution theory because they believe in God.


Then, this is not about God exist or not. It is about seeing if a theory fits the observation.
You claim he knows nothing about evolution and yet, you think that a simple organism (say a bacteria) should become complex (a mammal?) because a zygote (which already contain every INFORMATION it needs to develop into an adult) develops. Remove the log in your eyes so you’ll be able to see clearly


You don’t need say this, it’s meant for you and on a final note, you should comprehend arguments well before confronting it

Did u read the write up I quoted b4 replying me?

He clearly implied that for a complex human to evolve from unicellular organism is fallacy.

I get your zygote explanation well.

Over to the existence of god. No Christian, intelligent or not has been able to explain how god existed. If u said he didn't suddenly existed meaning something must have created him/her.

I can see how u are evading the question of the existence of god but no problem.

The question u ask is evolution itself. A unicellular organism, multiplying itself to multicellular organisms because of its environment, wants and adaptability. U really should read more on evolution mind u, evolution is different from how life started.

ibuildstuff:
So what ur own theory if evolution is fallacy. According to u it doesn't make sense that a complex being should evolve from a single cell. But do u know that a zygote is a single cell?


U don't even have right to disprove evolution wen u believe that a god just existed suddenly and talk everything into actualization.

U have not even prove ur god exist, u just believe with faith (believing without evidence) and here u are talking trash about evolution u know nothing about.

I mean if u study evolution and science deep enough, it totally made more sense than the Bible creation story.

I really don't know why I am not allowed to answer to my mentions again. I hope this response stays.

You could easily read on types of fallacy and specifically understand what FALLACY OF EQUIVOCATION means before replying. This should not help you not to misrepresent my point.
And as described with Bapel, the obstacle for a less complex organism to 'change' (I don't mean change in itself, but I am trying everything possible to avoid a certain word in case it is the reason I'm being disallowed. it is really frustrating) to a complex one is the information contained in their genome. This is what codes for structures, giving instruction for replication, programmed 'death', etc.

No one talked about existence of God in this discussion. That's another fallacy. Emotion about belief should not be the issue, rather, facts.

I smile, if I really study them? This is what one get in a faceless forum