User09:


Off the ball movements are almost as important as on-the ball movements.

For it to work, u need clever players who spot the beneath the line runs and brings the ball through the smallest gaps. That way defenders are dragged out of their positions.

Notice Havertz interaction with Pulisic and Kova in the Sevilla game when he played as a proper 10

Kai Havertz is not a clever player
All his matches at Chelsea fc validates that

eph12:

Ok on the ball zero. Can a godly person forward the off the ball clip for the jury to see?

nihilistjnr:


I actually didnt see that post.

In any case, what is Havertz doing in the pocket of space that he ran to? Is he wet cement? is he a needle and thread? Is he loose change?

A playmaker is supposed to be on the ball.

Telling me about off-the-ball movement in a playmaker, is like talking about a surgeon with no eyes, a singer with no lips, or a barber with no hands.

I see what you did there bro.

Leyqute:


I see what you did there bro.

Leyqute where's my birthday picture you mofo?

Dont think you're off the hook. I'm at your neck forever rudeboy

nihilistjnr:


Leyqute where's my birthday picture you mofo?

Dont think you're off the hook. I'm at your neck forever rudeboy

Dude. If you chat shiit at me again, I’m gonna treat you like Wolves treated Chelsea yesterday. Like this.

https://twitter.com/lcyance/status/1338689253295919104?s=21

Leyqute:




Dude. If you chat shiit at me again, I’m gonna treat you like Wolves treated Chelsea yesterday. Like this.

https://twitter.com/lcyance/status/1338689253295919104?s=21

I will be in Akowonjo soon, and I will be stopping by your shop.

Egbeda is not big enough for you to hide muthafucka. You will give me my photos or refund my money...or I will seize your camera

I have reached out to Afrodoc, unlimited22 and Pastor Skimple to nurse you back to physical and spiritual health after I lay these blessed hands on you.

Pls leave Kai alone, leave my Havertz alone.

It is hightime I changed my moniker to KaiHavertsFC

User09:


Well... players are being played out of position to accomodate mount.

This is clearly Lampard's problem

maybe if havertz start taking responsibility for his horrible performances and stop blaming mount his performances might just improve.

madrid5:
mount is just as bad as havertz last game

we didnt watch the same match bro.
i advice you to stop watchhng the back of your tv.

nihilistjnr:


I will be in Akowonjo soon, and I will be stopping by your shop.

Egbeda is not big enough for you to hide muthafucka. You will give me my photos or refund my money...or I will seize your camera

I have reached out to Afrodoc, unlimited22 and Pastor Skimple to nurse you back to physical and spiritual health after I lay these blessed hands on you.

LooL. I can see that your barbershop don collapse. Else Wetin egbere Dey do for street for broad daylight.

Kamelot77:
havertz is not our major problem here, lampard tactics is our major problem

haaaa, you have stepped on toes on some ppl here, they are coming for u.

nihilistjnr:


You're telling me that off-the ball movement can only work with players that spot runs and bring the ball through the smallest gaps.

Havertz completed only 27 passes yesterday. He completed no dribbles, he took no shot at all, and created zero chances. He was also dispossessed 3 times - more than any other player....on both sides

So where is he running to off the ball?

I've shown you how useless Havertz was yesterday with the ball, but you're telling me about off-ball running. Is Havertz a referee or linesman?

U clearly have an agenda and all your stats are only exhibiting one thing - Confirmation Bias. I dont know how you cannot spot his intelligence in movement and in seeing the attacking options in the team

Never mind, let's write off the one player who can significantly improve the creativity in this team which is really lacking or the one who is yet to play 20 games in a new season or new league on the back of Covid 19.

Funny how all of this reminds me of Eden Hazard 1st season at Chelsea where he had only 13 goals in all competition and was criticized as being overated by fans

nihilistjnr:


I actually didnt see that post.

In any case, what is Havertz doing in the pocket of space that he ran to? Is he wet cement? is he a needle and thread? Is he loose change?

A playmaker is supposed to be on the ball.

Telling me about off-the-ball movement in a playmaker, is like talking about a surgeon with no eyes, a singer with no lips, or a barber with no hands.

Gospel truth. Has to be, because nobody knows more about barbers than you.

OJURONGBE1:



Who doesn't criticize Mason Mount when he's out of form?
But the lad always picks up after having bad games. He gives his all for the team.
Guess what, he cost us nothing in transfer fee and his wages is just 50k or so while one German fraud cost us a whopping £75m and earns over £190k in wages

cc ibeme how true is this?
I saw where it was quoted that he earns £310k per week.

User09:


U clearly have an agenda and all your stats are only exhibiting one thing - Confirmation Bias. I dont know how you cannot spot his intelligence in movement and in seeing the attacking options in the team

Never mind, let's write off the one player who can significantly improve the creativity in this team which is really lacking or the one who is yet to play 20 games in a new season or new league on the back of Covid 19.

Funny how all of this reminds me of Eden Hazard 1st season at Chelsea where he had only 13 goals in all competition and was criticized as being overated by fans

Bros don't play semantics games with me.

I've actually said I'm still holding out to see what Havertz can do based on what he did in Germany.

The reason I'm tackling you is because you're claiming to see the quality when you watch Havertz play for Chelsea. Then there were minor quibbles like when you said Havertz wasn't on the pitch when wolves scored.

That's why I had to jam you like trailer. How can you be holding brief for Havertz based on Chelsea play?

Havertz has been pure äss for us so far. If you're looking for his promised quality, it cannot be in a Blue Chelsea shirt.

afrodoc2:


Gospel truth. Has to be, because nobody knows more about barbers than you.

Oh so you've come out if theatre now abi? I was looking for you the other day...

Sulele04:

we didnt watch the same match bro.
i advice you to stop watchhng the back of your tv.

you followed the match on radio

iamJ:
because of the team

That team has zero creativity

We now do crosses like united, 4 3 3 doesn't work

Funny enough United fans always castigate the fb for not going forward enough or putting more crosses. Maybe it's leeds United you're talking about

nihilistjnr:


Oh so you've come out if theatre now abi? I was looking for you the other day...

It was a serious case my brother. To be a doctor no be one day job.
The patient had a large nasolabial keratoacanthoma that was not amenable to elliptical excision but required a V-Y advancement flap.

How your barber?

nihilistjnr:


Bros don't play semantics games with me.

I've actually said I'm still holding out to see what Havertz can do based on what he did in Germany.

The reason I'm tackling you is because you're claiming to see the quality when you watch Havertz play for Chelsea. Then there were minor quibbles like when you said Havertz wasn't on the pitch when wolves scored.

That's why I had to jam you like trailer. How can you be holding brief for Havertz based on Chelsea play?

Havertz has been pure äss for us so far. If you're looking for his promised quality, it cannot be in a Blue Chelsea shirt.

Oh really.

As bad as u say he's been, He already has 4 goals and 4 Assist in 17 appearances. We can check Mount contribution for ease of comparison or heck I can even check his minutes to contribution ratio and can tell you it's not as bad as u all claim. This is inspite of being played out of position

I clearly made reference to the Sevilla game. To get the best of the guy, u need him as a proper 10, If ure gonna spend that much money on a player. At least play them in the right position and enough of this rubbish of Werner also playing as a winger

The truth is prior to Covid, he was already building momentum in the team but all of this is lost but I'm not gonna write him off cos he's top class and all of that doesnt just go away.

The problem of dispossession is something that has always been part of his game even at leverkusen (anyone who watched his game would know that). Why is everyone now acting surprised. We bought him cos his attacking contributions far outweighs the defensive liability which is why he needs to play further up the pitch.

iamJ:
if he is played out of position, he wouldn't perform

Until he is played as 10 and flops then you can say that he has failed

A Lamborghini is useless in space, positioning matters

Havertz is an exotic player, he isn't a defender, most quality 10's are useless defensively, give havertz the ball in space and allow him work, stop expecting him to win duels with physicality, its mind that people like that use to win battles


I used most, before some creeps come and start saying nonsense

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2137543-ranking-the-20-best-no-10s-in-world-football-right-now

All these rubbish excuses.

The reason we didn't complain about Havertz price tag is that we were told he can play CM and AM, has played DM and was currently playing RW and even CF.

Now story done get K Leg. A whole Chelsea has to bow down and rip out the way we play, and go back to a redundant 4-2-3-1 formation which died over 5 years ago just to accommodate an EXOTIC LUXURY (in other words passenger)

4-2-3-1 is a dead formation and the reason why Mata, Ozil, even Dele Alli etc don't have a job in football now. And you want to take us back there to accommodate a passenger.

How many goal and assist did he make there in a cheap Bundesliga for us to consider that? Only to find out it's not that much to make it worth it.

GTFOH with this line of reasoning. You people need to produce the Havertz you told us can play DM, CM, AM, RW and CF or go support him on the bench.

User09:


Well... players are being played out of position to accomodate mount.

This is clearly Lampard's problem

these guys wrote an article about havertz and Chelsea formation

It's very revealing


He is playing deeper for Chelsea and it doesn't suit him


Stupid Lampard can't tell me that he didn't see this article, was posted on bbc November 4


https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/54792878?__twitter_impression=true

Was really shocked when you said he once played DM...as in this same havertz wey no get awareness atall wey Dem dey dribble anyhow

Ibeme:


All these rubbish excuses.

The reason we didn't complain about Havertz price tag is that we were told he can play CM and AM, has played DM and was currently playing RW and even CF.

Now story done get K Leg. A whole Chelsea has to bow down and rip out the way we play, and go back to a redundant 4-2-3-1 formation which died over 5 years ago just to accommodate an EXOTIC LUXURY (in other words passenger)

4-2-3-1 is a dead formation and the reason why Mata, Ozil, even Dele Alli etc don't have a job in football now. And you want to take us back there to accommodate a passenger.

How many goal and assist did he make there in a cheap Bundesliga for us to consider that? Only to find out it's not that much to make it worth it.

GTFOH with this line of reasoning. You people need to produce the Havertz you told us can play DM, CM, AM, RW and CF or go support him on the bench.

havertz has never played deep like this ever

Nobody said that havertz can play DM, he isn't a physical player and 4 2 3 1 isn't redundant, 4 3 3 is redundant

rooftops:
Was really shocked when you said he once played DM...as in this same havertz wey no get awareness atall wey Dem dey dribble anyhow

are you minding them, cooking up nonsense in the name of rebuttal

Barca, Bayern, man city all play 4 2 3 1

Only liverpool plays 4 3 3 its because they have those mobile physical players

Honestly dunce plenty when they argue football

iamJ:
havertz has never played deep like this ever

Nobody said that havertz can play DM, he isn't a physical player and 4 2 3 1 isn't redundant, 4 3 3 is redundant

Havertz first season he played DM, second season he played CM.

4-2-3-1 is redundant except you have an exceptionally high scoring AM. Ozil, Mata, Oscar, Dele Alli and co are redundant for that reason.

Havertz needs to show us something in CM before we consider him for a redundant formation. We don't want to be like Manure that will be arguing for 4 years about Pogbas best position only to find out he has irredeemable flaws wherever you play him.

User09:


Oh really.

As bad as u say he's been, He already has 4 goals and 4 Assist in 17 appearances.

3 of those goals came against Barnsley, who were in League One last year, and midtable in the Championship this year.
I can bet my left testicle you dont even know where Barnsley is in UK without resorting to google maps.

Is that the level we've sunk to now?

This is inspite of being played out of position

Havertz played 3 positions at Leverkusen last season. See diagram below. Which one is out of position again kwanu?

I dont need any trumped up stats to show me the issues that Havertz is having. You can't blame this on covid

See the positions Lampard has played Havertz this season.

How is it different to Leverkusen?

Out of position fire

iamJ:
Barca, Bayern, man city all play 4 2 3 1

Only liverpool plays 4 3 3 its because they have those mobile physical players

Honestly dunce plenty when they argue football

There is only one team that plays 4-2-3-1 successfully and that is Bayern because they have a goal machine in Muller and he is worth it.

Manure also have a goal machine in Fernandes so they accomodate him there, however I will hardly call them successful.

Man City only started 4-2-3-1 this season after Silva's departure and they sück compared to last season. Barca also only started and they equally sück, fighting mid-table in LaLiga.

If we wanted to go back to redundant formation with a low scoring AM, we would have asked Arsenal to give us Ozil for free. Tell your boy Havertz to show us small ray of light before we can rip up formation to a formation we haven't really played since 15/16 to accommodate him.

Ibeme:


Havertz first season he played DM, second season he played CM.

4-2-3-1 is redundant except you have an exceptionally high scoring AM. Ozil, Mata, Oscar, Dele Alli and co are redundant for that reason.

Havertz needs to show us something in CM before we consider him for a redundant formation. We don't want to be like Manure that will be arguing for 4 years about Pogbas best position only to find out he has irredeemable flaws wherever you play him.

he has never played dm, he is ambidextrous, that's why people say he can play anywhere but he isnt a dm or cm oga

Ok even if he did, which he didnt, Gareth bale played left back, sign him and ask him to play that position since he played that position when he was 17

What position does a player excel at doesnt matter, let's force him to play stupid positions because he played at that position when he was 17

nihilistjnr:
See the positions Lampard has played Havertz this season.

How is it different to Leverkusen?

Out of position fire

all the goals and assist came from which position?


Look at what you posted again

Then ask yourself if our arguement isn't valid