₦airaland Forum

abu12:
nobody stopped IBO's from leaving, but ojukwu was using military power to forced other minority(Niger delta) to joined Biafra .IBO's like dominating others, that is why ironsi bring unitary system of government upon themselves.

You dey mind them, after 400 years of slavery and a hundred years of colonization, they want to gather people who are not related to them, and begin another rounds of subjugation, in the name of Southern Nigeria.
Wicked people.

But I don't see write epistle such as this when Lugard was being blamed. How come all of a sudden that Ironsi as been exposed as the foolish n cursed soul that unified the regions for solely his own selfish gain just like many of his selfish tribesmen would have done that is when you are able to locate your writing utensils ?!

Moreso, should a deserving punishment not be meted on the party that brought about the misfortune we all are trying to correct now before moving on.

VeeVeeMyLuv:
If unitary system is not working, they should change it na, why do they keep doing the same thing. Except you wanna argue that naija is still being colonised by proxy.

They should UNUNIFY the system.

This habit of Nigerians blaming Lord Luggard who died many decades ago and now blaming late General Ironsi for their woes and misfortune is really laughable,

Something is not working fix it put it right

At the moment there are widespread protests in nearly all the four corners of the world, but Nigerians will not used this opportunity to protest for good governance and demand for accountability.

Obiobidgbo14:
Please stop that nonsense,your problem is that are always afraid to compete with the Igbos.You think that the world start and end with liars backstabbing and fake life which you people are seeing as being sophisticated. Take it anywhere Igbos are far far more sincere and trusted people than you people.Who started oluwale
(fake documents).After the war those who were in class 4 in secondary schools became PhD holders just within 3yrs the war lasted.Conspiracy to take over and be the head in government offices.

Yorubas are minding their business in the West you Igbos trouped in and started wrestling the control with the owners.
Your fathers used their closeness federal government, to get all the juicy federal positions in Yoruba land.
Go and listen to what Akintola the premier of SW said about Igbo management of University of Ibadan.

mrvitalis:
Ok let's assume igbos made mistakes but are ready to correct it by calling for division in Nigeria ...my deep question is ..yorubas have access to sea , large population and land , educated population ..why don't they want this country to split
Why do yorubas want one Nigeria when it's obvious oduduwa republic would be better ?

This country is not working for anyone ...no one ...why don't we split and save ourselves the stress ..we owe it to our children

It might have to do with the fact that Igbos seem to agitate in favor of taking States like Benue, Edo, Delta, Rivers and even—absurdly— Ondo states (amongst others). I think if they stuck to demanding the 5 core Igbo states they would actually achieve independence.

Jax1:
In May the Eastern region’s consultative assembly authorized Ojukwu to establish a sovereign republic, while, at the same time, the federal military government promulgated a decree dividing the four regions into 12 states, including 6 in the north and 3 in the east, in an attempt to break the power of the regions.


The four regions where divided into 12 states by Gowon
How is Aguiyi Ironsi responsible for that?

No one accused Aguiyi Ironsi for divided the 4 regions into 12 states, what we are accusing General Ironsi of is changing Nigeria from a federation of regions to a Republic consisting of states subservient to a central government.

Yorubas that wail endlessly about Ironsi know he didn't abolish the regions will never admit it was Gowon. Simply because Gowon's indigenisation policy executed by Awo made many yorubas rich

nku5:
"I am promulgating a Decree which will divide
the Federal republic into Twelve States. The twelve states will be six in the present Northern Region, three in the present Eastern Region, the Mid-West will remain as it is, the Colony Province of the Western Region and Lagos will form a new Lagos State and the Western Region will otherwise remain as it is" - Yakubu Gowon May 27th 1967

Subject to the provisions of this Decree, Nigeria shall on 24th May 1966 (in this decree referred to as ‘the appointed day’) cease to be a Federation and shall accordingly as from that day be a Republic , by the name of the Republic of Nigeria, consisting of the whole of the territory which immediately before that day was comprised in the Federation. - Major General Johnson Thomas Umunnakwe Aguiyi-Ironsi 24th May 1966
Now go and look up the difference between a Federation and a Republic.

OAFMods:
But I don't see write epistle such as this when Lugard was being blamed. How come all of a sudden that Ironsi as been exposed as the foolish n cursed soul that unified the regions for solely his own selfish gain just like many of his selfish tribesmen would have done that is when you are able to locate your writing utensils ?!

Moreso, should a deserving punishment not be meted on the party that brought about the misfortune we all are trying to correct now before moving on.

Bros they made mistakes in the past, should the new generation now repeat them?

If Nigeria cannot learn from history and create healthy working systems where the different peoples are accommodated and can work cordially together just like in America then it will be tragic and a big shame.

Look at federal character, it is not being respected. Some MDAs civil servants are found speaking their local dialects in board meetings to the face other peoples who don't understand instead of the official Lingua Franca English language.

Miracle2020:
why did the igbos wanted one Nigeria before?
Answer this question.

Because they taught that it would become a country like others. Not knowing that it was a potential abattoir

wirinet:
Subject to the provisions of this Decree, Nigeria shall on 24th May 1966 (in this decree referred to as ‘the appointed day’) cease to be a Federation and shall accordingly as from that day be a Republic , by the name of the Republic of Nigeria, consisting of the whole of the territory which immediately before that day was comprised in the Federation. - Major General Johnson Thomas Umunnakwe Aguiyi-Ironsi 24th May 1966
Now go and look up the difference between a Federation and a Republic.

Ironsi promulgated decree 34 to unify the civil service. This press release (not a decree ) you pasted did not abolish the regions. He retained regional administrators as everybody knows. Gowon's decree 14 explicitly abolished the regions and created states. There is nothing to debate here

nku5:
Ironsi promulgated decree 34 to unify the civil service. This his press release you pasted did not abolish the regions. He retained regional administrators as everybody knows. Gowon's decree 14 explicitly abolished the regions and created states. There is nothing to debate here

I believe you did Government as a subject in SS2 or class 4 as the case might be. Didn't you read it in your textbook that the civil service is the engine room of Government through which the government generates revenues from resources within its jurisdiction, deploys same to pay salaries and sponsor capital projects, etc, thus resources are controlled and government power wielded through the civil service? So how could a decree which stripped regional governments of control and ownership of their civil services be said not to have equally taken away the power of the regions to own and control their resources? It is like your mechanic removed the engine of your car and he argued that he didn't damage the car since everyone can still see that the body is intact. Will you agree with him?

Deadlytruth:
I believe you did Government as a subject in SS2 or class 4 as the case might be. Didn't you read it in your textbook that the civil service is the engine room of Government through which the government generates revenues from resources within its jurisdiction, deploys same to pay salaries and sponsor capital projects, etc, thus resources are controlled and government power wielded through the civil service? So how could a decree which stripped regional governments of control and ownership of their civil services be said not to have equally taken away the power of the regions to own and control their resources? It is like your mechanic removed the engine of your car and he argued that he didn't damage the car since everyone can still see that the body is intact. Will you agree with him?

This is just sophistry. Have you even seen Decree 34?

1. A military regime by nature is a Unitarian entity.

2. Most importantly, Ironsi retained administrators to govern the regional spaces and did not hijack resource control. Gowon did exactly the opposite with Decree 14. Shikena

nku5:
This is just sophistry. Have you even seen Decree 34?

https://dawodu.com/decree34.htm

1. A military regime by nature is a Unitarian entity.

2. Most importantly, Ironsi retained administrators to govern the regional spaces and did not hijack resource control. Gowon did exactly the opposite with Decree 14. Shikena

You are just talking nonsense. Read what you wrote up there again and see if it makes any sense. Ironsi retained which administrators to government which regional spaces? Who appointed the administrators in the first place?

I gave you an assignment and you refused to do it. Once again look up the difference between a Federation and a Republic.

The actual part of decree 34 that killed the regions is - Nigeria shall on 24th May 1966 cease to be a Federation. This simply means the country ceased being a Federation of regions and effectively became a Republic comprising of components (whether states or regions) under a single (unitary government ).

If you are unable to understand these simple facts, then you are beyond help.

Deadlytruth:
I believe you did Government as a subject in SS2 or class 4 as the case might be. Didn't you read it in your textbook that the civil service is the engine room of Government through which the government generates revenues from resources within its jurisdiction, deploys same to pay salaries and sponsor capital projects, etc, thus resources are controlled and government power wielded through the civil service? So how could a decree which stripped regional governments of control and ownership of their civil services be said not to have equally taken away the power of the regions to own and control their resources? It is like your mechanic removed the engine of your car and he argued that he didn't damage the car since everyone can still see that the body is intact. Will you agree with him?

Don't mind him. He is just trying to defend Ironsi no matter how insane his argument is. Imagine a single civil service running all 4 regions. So who will pay the civil servants running the regions and where will the revenues and taxes go to? Who will then make laws for the newly decreed regions?

sarrki:
Nothing like mistake of 1914 by lord lugard

British caused what They left Nigeria as Regional Entities but johnson Aguiyi ironsi brought Unitary System in 1966

That’s the fact

Those people are confused. If they have biafra today they will still call for one Nigeria tomorrow. Their tribe takes action before thinking.

wirinet:
https://dawodu.com/decree34.htm




You are just talking nonsense. Read what you wrote up there again and see if it makes any sense. Ironsi retained which administrators to government which regional spaces? Who appointed the administrators in the first place?

I gave you an assignment and you refused to do it. Once again look up the difference between a Federation and a Republic.

The actual part of decree 34 that killed the regions is - Nigeria shall on 24th May 1966 cease to be a Federation. This simply means the country ceased being a Federation of regions and effectively became a Republic comprising of components (whether states or regions) under a single (unitary government ).

If you are unable to understand these simple facts, then you are beyond help.

It's not by spewing sophistry via multiple NL accounts Explain how decree 34 ended regionalism? Very simple if you know what you are talking about.

Before yoruba people hold Gowon accountable a camel will pass through the eye of a needle. The indigenisation policy that he gave to you guys really helped empower yorubas economically so I'm not surprised

I created three threads exposing igbo foolishness today and all three were deleted


It appears JIDF now moderates this ashawoe forum

But being that as may, Igbos are permanently the slave class of one Nijeriya .



Biastards

wirinet:
Don't mind him. He is just trying to defend Ironsi no matter how insane his argument is. Imagine a single civil service running all 4 regions. So who will pay the civil servants running the regions and where will the revenues and taxes go to? Who will then make laws for the newly decreed regions?

Did Ironsi cancel fiscal federalism like Gowon? The regions could easily pay salaries but the civil service had a central leadership. Is thing rocket science or what?

nku5:
Did Ironsi cancel fiscal federalism like Gowon? The regions could easily pay salaries but the civil service had a central leadership. Is thing rocket science or what?

I give up. Convincing you decree 34 by general Ironsi destroyed the Nigerian Federation is like convincing a flat earther that the world is actually round. Even if you take him to the moon to witness an earth rise, he will still find a stupid explanation on why what you are looking at is an illusion.

I rest my case on this thread.

wirinet:
I give up. Convincing you decree 34 by general Ironsi destroyed the Nigerian Federation is like convincing a flat earther that the world is actually round. Even if you take him to the moon to witness an earth rise, he will still find a stupid explanation on why what you are looking at is an illusion.

I rest my case on this thread.

Which case? You don't even know what decree 34 looks like. See as you cruise yourself enter cul de sac

nku5:
This is just sophistry. Have you even seen Decree 34?

1. A military regime by nature is a Unitarian entity.

2. Most importantly, Ironsi retained administrators to govern the regional spaces and did not hijack resource control. Gowon did exactly the opposite with Decree 14. Shikena

If you insist that a military administration is unitarian by nature then you have to explain how come Ironsi was able to run a federal military government for up to four months before he decided to convert to a unitary one? Why didn't he just convert to a unitary Government immediately he snatched power on the 17th of January?
If a military administration is unitarian by nature then why castigate Gowon for allegedly creating states and killing resource control? Why also blame and accuse all the other military administrations like those of Murtala Mohammed, Obasanjo, Buhari, IBB, etc of further entrenching unitarianism? If Ironsi's centrifugal policies could be excused on the grounds of military administrations being naturally unitarian, why then should same defense line not be extended to all his successor military regimes' further entrenchment of unitarian decrees? Is what is good for the goose not also good for the gander?

Meanwhile Ojukwu's proposals at Aburi were all about an extremely Confederate structure to be overseen by the military. So if your argument that military governments should be naturally unitarian is anything to go by, then don't you think Gowon was therefore right to have reneged on Aburi Accord.

Deadlytruth:
If you insist that a military administration is unitarian by nature then you have to explain how come Ironsi was able to run a federal military government for up to four months before he decided to convert to a unitary one? Why didn't he just convert to a unitary Government immediately he snatched power on the 17th of January?
If a military administration is unitarian by nature then why castigate Gowon for allegedly creating states and killing resource control? Why also blame and accuse all the other military administrations like those of Murtala Mohammed, Obasanjo, Buhari, IBB, etc of further entrenching unitarianism? If Ironsi's centrifugal policies could be excused on the grounds of military administrations being naturally unitarian, why then should same defense line not be extended to all his successor military regimes' further entrenchment of unitarian decrees? Is what is good for the goose not also good for the gander?

Meanwhile Ojukwu's proposals at Aburi were all about an extremely Confederate structure to be overseen by the military. So if your argument that military governments should be naturally unitarian is anything to go by, then don't you think Gowon was therefore right to have reneged on Aburi Accord.

I dont accept that he seized power. It should be to Ironsi's credit that he didn't immediately unify the civil service. He first went on tours round the country trying to unite the country and to tell
everybody his plans. The only people that opposed it were the northern elders.

After all the chaos in the country. From crisis in the Western region with operation wetie and the thousands of people burnt to death, the Awolowo affair, the Tiv riots, the January 15 coup by junior officers etc He just made the best decision he could think of at the time. But Gowon had no business dismantling the regional structures and abolishing resource control. In terms of raw and ready revenue the South West and South South were the ultimate victims. Yet they (especially South West) can never agree that Gowon finished them

nku5:
I dont accept that he seized power. It should be to Ironsi's credit that he didn't immediately unify the civil service. He first went on tours round the country trying to unite the country and to tell
everybody his plans. The only people that opposed it were the northern elders.

After all the chaos in the country. From crisis in the Western region with operation wetie and the thousands of people burnt to death, the Awolowo affair, the Tiv riots, the January 15 coup by junior officers etc He just made the best decision he could think of at the time. But Gowon had no business dismantling the regional structures and abolishing resource control. In terms of raw and ready revenue the South West and South South were the ultimate victims. Yet they (especially South West) can never agree that Gowon finished them

Normally civilians don't ever on their own relinquish power to the military. Rather the military always forces power out of the hands of civilians. Go and read Richard Akinjide's account on how Ironsi took power from the politicians through duress.

Then per your second claim, you mean the civilian populace agreed with him to unify the civil service? There is even a chronological defect in your narrative above. Ironsi was killed on the 29th of July during a tour around the regions after he had promulgated his decrees earlier on on the 24th of May. So your claim that he visited the regions to consult with the people over his plans to unite the country through his decrees is illogical. How could he have been traveling round the country in July for consultation on decrees he had already made two months prior to that time?
Where on earth does consultation come after action?
The truth is that no region agreed with whatever plans he had except may be his own Eastern Region and for obvious reasons. If his decrees and plans had gone down well with the people he wouldn't have even needed to go on a tour trying to convince them. No one went on any tour around the country to convince the populace to accept the independence constitution when the delegates brought it from London in 1957. Likewise no one ever went on tour to convince Nigerians on the restructuring we now ask for. Certain things are just natural and you don't need to convince people about them before they accept it.

If Ironsi had never taken power for himself illegally, Gowon wouldn't have later become head of state let alone have any business allegedly dismantling the regions as you assume. Ironsi set a bad example as leader of the Army and his inferiors followed suit.
When a father smokes hemp and his son takes after him, you blame the father who set the bad example and not the son who merely copied him.

Muna4real:
Because they taught that it would become a country like others. Not knowing that it was a potential abattoir

So you mean that even the pogroms targeted at Igbos in Jos and Kano in 1945 and 1953 respectively over the most trivial of issues couldn't convince Igbos that Nigeria was already a huge abattoir and would so remain?

Miracle2020:
And Igbo Man naturally have the spirit of greediness, he always wants to have what others have but he hate when other try do the same thing.
Because of greediness, zik push for amalgamation
Because of greediness Ironsi decided to bring unity government because at that time igbos region wasn't producing anything, only the north and west were doing good in agriculture. At that time majority of government officials and military officers were igbos so he thought igbos will continue to rule others.
Because of greediness ojukwu decided to embark on a foolish war with the federal republic. When ojukwu discovered that the Niger delta has some oils, he wanted to have everything.
When Niger delta decided to break from Nigeria, ojukwu arrested their leader(BORO) and imprisoned him because he (ojukwu) want to have the Niger delta oil.
Ojukwu greediness led to the dead of 3 million igbos.
When Tafawa Balewa was the prime minister, many of his officials were igbos. Upon that, the igbos were not satisfied, they went ahead to killed him and other northern/Western leaders.
The yorubas and the north decided to accept and accommodate the igbos after the war but now the igbos want to take over the Yoruba land because of their usual greediness.

Read your books you won't read
Look at what you wrote and how you wrote them and tell me it doesn't look like a primary 4 pupil write up

Firstly, how was it Zik that push for amalgamation?
How old was zik at the time the Southern and Northern protectorate were amalgamated?

Where did you draw your conclusions that it's because of Niger Delta oil that Ojukwu arrested and charged Adaka Boro?

Adaka Boro is of Ijaw root. He schooled in UNN and also contested for the position of SUG president, which he won. If the Igbos were repulsive of him do you think he would have graduated or even allowed to contest that position in Igboland.

Also did the so called Adaka Boro have the consent of Efik, Ibibio, Oron, Binis, et al prior to his rebellious secession?, Since he wanted to form Niger Delta republic

What were the component states that made up Adaka Boro's Niger Delta republic?

Since Adaka Boro hated the Igbos so much to form an alliance with Nigeria and fought against Biafra, why did Nigeria assasinate him like a piece of trash after the war?

Why was Adaka Boro not awarded his Niger Delta republic after he fought alongside the Nigerian forces against Biafra?

Also did you say the East or Igbo contributed nothing to national growth prior to the war?

Kai, you need oooooooo

Read !!

OAFMods:
But I don't see write epistle such as this when Lugard was being blamed. How come all of a sudden that Ironsi as been exposed as the foolish n cursed soul that unified the regions for solely his own selfish gain just like many of his selfish tribesmen would have done that is when you are able to locate your writing utensils ?!

Moreso, should a deserving punishment not be meted on the party that brought about the misfortune we all are trying to correct now before moving on.

After Ironsi was assassinated, Nigeria had;
Murtala Mohammad
Yakubu Gowon
Olusegun Obasanjo
Shehu Shagari
Mohammadu Buhari
Ibrahim Babaginda
Adbulsalam Abubakar
Sani Abacha
Ernest shonekan
Umaru Yaradua
Goodluck Jonathan, et al
As subsequent heads of State. Since what Ironsi did was unacceptable and wrong, why didn't these above mentioned heads of state take us back to regional government, why..?


Can you now see Nigeria have no excuse not to have right the alleged unacceptable wrong of Aguiyi Ironsi? They had ample time and chances but failed to do the right thing


That's how people that sold their vote for #5000 will come out and say "God will punish Lord Lugard"....!

You are too foolish to dictate the course of action to be taken. Aguiyi Ironsi committed a crime, let him receive the punishment for the crime. After that those he committed the crimes against will deliberate on their future.

Whether regional or not regional. A set of foolish lunatic can not decide for millions of Nigeria when we should go to n fro regional govt. All that should happen now is Ironsi n his maruding gang of deranged lunatic that truncate the democracy Nigeria fought so hard for to be thoroughly punished for that crime. If you ain't talking about then shut your foolish mouth.

That aside God will not punish Luggard but the lunatic Azikwe n his tribesmen that insisted Nigeria independence should be delayed just so he can have the North in his imaginary Nigeria after they rejected n delayed that offer 4 nearly 3 years that is who God should punish.

Limitless72:
After Ironsi was assassinated, Nigeria had;
Murtala Mohammad
Yakubu Gowon
Olusegun Obasanjo
Shehu Shagari
Mohammadu Buhari
Ibrahim Babaginda
Adbulsalam Abubakar
Sani Abacha
Ernest shonekan
Umaru Yaradua
Goodluck Jonathan, et al
As subsequent heads of State. Since what Ironsi did was unacceptable and wrong, why didn't these above mentioned heads of state take us back to regional government, why..?


Can you now see Nigeria have no excuse not to have right the alleged unacceptable wrong of Aguiyi Ironsi? They had ample time and chances but failed to do the right thing


That's how people that sold their vote for #5000 will come out and say "God will punish Lord Lugard"....!

You are unintelligent

NoIgboSoundTueh:
Nigerians don't want Biafra independence because we're concerned about its survival.
Or how can five tiny landlocked states that depend entirely on FG allocations survives on its own.
The only resources found in South east is Coal, a useful product if we're in the 17th century. And of course a cupful of petroleum.
Frankly speakly Igboland is just a few duplex and lot of poverty.
So tell me how Biafra plan to sustain itself when even with the handout coming from Abuja 90% of Igbo ladies have taken to prostitution all over naija to sustain themselves.
In short we don't want biafra to go because we're saving it from itself.

OAFMods:
You are too foolish to dictate the course of action to be taken. Aguiyi Ironsi committed a crime, let him receive the punishment for the crime. After that those he committed the crimes against will deliberate on their future.

Whether regional or not regional. A set of foolish lunatic can not decide for millions of Nigeria when we should go to n fro regional govt. All that should happen now is Ironsi n his maruding gang of deranged lunatic that truncate the democracy Nigeria fought so hard for to be thoroughly punished for that crime. If you ain't talking about then shut your foolish mouth.

According to IPOB's logic General Ironsi is a hero for seizing power through a coup but Major General Buhari is a criminal for getting into power through the same coup.