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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by cktheluckyman: 7:30pm On Jan 01, 2021
Dansuqi:


When they see that of his mates,they will deny him
UI will only rely on their records and not on another certificate.
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Nobody: 8:51pm On Jan 01, 2021
Dansuqi:


I dont have issues with him but if he has forged his certificate, I will have.the deadline for the high court to rule is 13 January,the appeal court has two months to judge the case and supreme court also has two months to judge the case which means by may,the case is over
for your info university of Ibadan has affirmed his result

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by cktheluckyman: 8:53pm On Jan 01, 2021
andrewmeddy8:

for your info university of Ibadan has affirmed his result
u
No allow him to continue to dream

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Dansuqi: 9:34pm On Jan 01, 2021
andrewmeddy8:

for your info university of Ibadan has affirmed his result

They have not,they only gave a press conference and have not come to court

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Dansuqi: 9:35pm On Jan 01, 2021
247Dior:
his waec will still be authenticated by issuing body which is WAEC and as for having different certificate from another .. it is only the issuing body uni ibadan that has the final say

When they do not have a convincing answer,the court will have the final say

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Dansuqi: 9:37pm On Jan 01, 2021
cktheluckyman:

UI will only rely on their records and not on another certificate.

No sir,once they are faced with two certificates,they will deny that of obaseki

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by 247Dior(m): 10:17pm On Jan 01, 2021
Dansuqi:


When they do not have a convincing answer,the court will have the final say
my brother there's nothing like convincing answer here, they're the using authority and they solely have the right to authenticate is the certificates are original or forged

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Andrenalin: 11:05pm On Jan 01, 2021
muskypaulson:
PRE ELECTION MATTER FOR EDO 2020,
OBASEKI VERSUS APC ON CERTIFICATE SAGA

FACTS AS CURRENTLY IN COURT..

The 2020 election in Edo state has come and gone but the legal tussles regarding the poll are yet to be done with...

INEC may have announced a winner of the election, but court will finally tell who the cap fit...

The APC had approached the court on July 14 2020, with the claim that OBASEKI forged his university certificate...

The judge had fixed date for hearing and it has since commenced...

The plaintiff have presented to the court evidences to show that OBASEKI was not qualified to contest the last election because there were discrepancies in his certificate...

Having done that, the lead counsel to APC, Akin olujimi had prayed the court to subpoena INEC to bring all the documents submitted by OBASEKI to court to boost their claims

On 29th of December 2020,

INEC brought two conflicting results to the court belonging to OBASEKI...

One has only one signature, no date

The VC signed but registrar didn't sign...
This was what he used to become governor in 2016

In 2020, OBASEKI submitted another result to INEC duly signed by both the registrar of the University and the VC with proper date...

INEC also submitted two conflicting affidavits obtained from OBASEKI to court

In one of the Affidavits, OBASEKI claimed to have graduated in 1976 from the University of ibadan ,this was his declaration in 2016

But in 2020, OBASEKI claimed in another affidavit that he graduated in 1979

Also submitted to the court was his autobiography....

In line with the affidavit of 2016 sworn to at the high Court Abuja

OBASEKI wrote with his own hand that he graduated 1976 and signed it..

In 2020 affidavit, OBASEKI wrote with his own hand that he graduated 1979 and signed it

Both the two conflicting results, the two conflicting affidavits and the two autobiographies were admitted in court as evidence...and marked as exhibits..

The lead counsel to OBASEKI Ken mozia did everything in his power to oppose the admissibility of those damaging evidences, but the judge overruled him...

Also, the Abuja high court registrar was subpoenaed to confirm if the affidavits of 2016 was from their court

The court representative told the trial court that they don't have evidence of the affidavit in their files, that they were not the issuing court...

All these were admitted in court as evidence...

The counsel to APC is asking the PDP to defend how OBASEKI got two conflicting results from the same university, one duly signed, the other not signed and he submitted both to run for office...

They are also asking him to defend his own affidavits where he claimed to have graduated in both 1976 and 1979..

The counsel to OBASEKI had said there are some photocopier errors in some of those documents...

But the question olujimi asked was that, if you claimed the error is due to bad photocopier, in which date and signature didn't reflect in the papers

What about the one he used his own hand to write?

If there's an error in ur affidavit instead of 1979 they mistakenly wrote 1976, ok assuming it's an error, why did the governor used his own hand to write 1976 in 2016

And 1979 in 2020?

Should we conclude that the governor does not know when he graduated? Or should we subject him to psychiatric test to ascertain if he's mentally ok as to why he's not able to remember his date of graduation and he used his hand to filled both 1976 and 1979 in 2016 and in 2020 respectively?

The university of ibadan had said OBASEKI is their student....and no one is arguing that...

But the counsel is asking, did the university issued these two conflicting results to one person,?

Why was one properly signed and the other not duly signed?

If the one he used in 2016 is original, why did he went to get another one from the school in 2020?

The APC lawyer has been able to established a case of perjury, lying on oath and submitting fake documents to run for public office against the governor with all paper evidences before the court...

The defence counsel have started with their defence yesterday...

Fingers crossed as we await the decision of the court over the matter...don't forget,that you can't give what you don't have for in God we trust.

EMS Media Communication's emoedumesanni@gmail.com

Oga you lied. For 2016 he didn’t apply with any certificate rather affidavit or you showed me here. I agreed they wrote 1976 as against 1979 but that can be entrust as typical error. Matter close. As far as ui has confirmed he is a graduate and the law said the min requirement for contesting has been met. Case close.... thank you sir

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Dansuqi: 11:11pm On Jan 01, 2021
247Dior:
my brother there's nothing like convincing answer here, they're the using authority and they solely have the right to authenticate is the certificates are original or forged

No sir.they will be presented with two different certificates and point out the fake one depending on what buhari wants

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Ykc2(m): 11:17pm On Jan 01, 2021
seunmsg:


He will rest after the case is decided. For now, the case must continue. Thanks.
and behari is yet to show us his certificate
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by seunmsg(m): 12:13am On Jan 02, 2021
Ykc2:
and behari is yet to show us his certificate

WAEC and Cambridge already did.

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Confirmedzombie: 12:35am On Jan 02, 2021
The OP is an illitracy and wroting rubbish. Obaseki will won this case. I wonder what the OP is wroting and spoke hear.

The court will discharges Obaseki for no case to answers.

I have being tolding people that court cant sacks Obaseki because the UI has confirmation his decree certifycate.

Op should stop spoken or wroting rubbish

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Nobody: 9:29am On Jan 02, 2021
cktheluckyman:
u
No allow him to continue to dream
Its already confirmed
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Nobody: 9:29am On Jan 02, 2021
Dansuqi:


They have not,they only gave a press conference and have not come to court
That means they will definitely will
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Dansuqi: 9:41am On Jan 02, 2021
andrewmeddy8:

That means they will definitely will

No,except they were part of the witnesses before the court beforehand

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by cktheluckyman: 9:54am On Jan 02, 2021
Dansuqi:


No,except they were part of the witnesses before the court beforehand
You sound so ignorant yet so arrogant.Will common sense not tell you that UI will be the star defence witness? Has the defense opened their case yet? This whole noise about forgery will collapse immediately the UI registrar mounts the dock.

UI will definitely testify in this case and it is their testimony that will seal the case

There is no how the case of forgery will be determined without the UI registrar testifying.

The judge cannot conclude on forgery without the UI.No amount of forensic science will prove forgery without UI who issued the certificate

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Nobody: 1:05pm On Jan 02, 2021
Dansuqi:

No,except they were part of the witnesses before the court beforehand
they will appear if need be
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by agabusta: 1:49pm On Jan 02, 2021
247Dior:
his waec will still be authenticated by issuing body which is WAEC and as for having different certificate from another .. it is only the issuing body uni ibadan that has the final say


It is the courts that has the final say, not the issuing body.
The evidence of an issuing body is not cast in gold. It can be cross examined and a Judge will make ruling based on arguments.

A smart lawyer can discredit the issuing body if the certificate issued to others of same set are different from his.

An issuing body can be compromised. This can be proved by any good lawyer and the court can render the evidence of the issuing body defective.

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by 247Dior(m): 3:49pm On Jan 02, 2021
agabusta:



It is the courts that has the final say, not the issuing body.
The evidence of an issuing body is not cast in gold. It can be cross examined and a Judge will make ruling based on arguments.

A smart lawyer can discredit the issuing body if the certificate issues to others of same set are different from his.

An issuing body can be compromised. This can be proved by any good lawyer and the court can render the evidence of the issuing body defective.
true
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by cktheluckyman: 4:19pm On Jan 02, 2021
agabusta:



It is the courts that has the final say, not the issuing body.
The evidence of an issuing body is not cast in gold. It can be cross examined and a Judge will make ruling based on arguments.

A smart lawyer can discredit the issuing body if the certificate issues to others of same set are different from his.

An issuing body can be compromised. This can be proved by any good lawyer and the court can render the evidence of the issuing body defective.

grin grin so your courts will determine for UI whether it's certificate is fake or not? You people are funny
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by agabusta: 9:56pm On Jan 02, 2021
cktheluckyman:


grin grin so your courts will determine for UI whether it's certificate is fake or not? You people are funny

Yes, it is the court.

The court has the final say.

On election matters no matter what INEC has done, the court has the final say.

On Land matters, no matter what Lands Bureau/Governor issued or has in its archives, the courts has the final say.

Even for CAC and its myriads of documents, when there is a case, the court has the final say.

So it is for many other so called Authorities or Principals in a case, the court has the final say.

The court by its pronouncement can render a UI issued certificate null and void, and can even order UI to issue a certificate it refused to issue.

The courts can even render a particular law inoperable. That is how powerful court pronouncements are.

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Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by seanfer(m): 11:12pm On Jan 02, 2021
cktheluckyman:

Dreamer the election been contested is that of 2020.The documents submitted in 2016 has no bearing on this case

You keep getting this wrong. If they can establish that Obaseki committed forgery in 2016 the court will remove him and he will be prosecuted for forgery after taking away his immunity. INEC submitted the 2 forms he filled in 2016/2020 and there are discrepancies in them.
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by seanfer(m): 11:18pm On Jan 02, 2021
Andrenalin:


Oga you lied. For 2016 he didn’t apply with any certificate rather affidavit or you showed me here. I agreed they wrote 1976 as against 1979 but that can be entrust as typical error. Matter close. As far as ui has confirmed he is a graduate and the law said the min requirement for contesting has been met. Case close.... thank you sir

The high court Registrar has gave evidence that they don’t have the record of affidavit Obaseki presented to inec in 2016. That means he forged the 2016 affidavit.
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by seanfer(m): 11:20pm On Jan 02, 2021
cktheluckyman:

You sound so ignorant yet so arrogant.Will common sense not tell you that UI will be the star defence witness? Has the defense opened their case yet? This whole noise about forgery will collapse immediately the UI registrar mounts the dock.

UI will definitely testify in this case and it is their testimony that will seal the case

There is no how the case of forgery will be determined without the UI registrar testifying.

The judge cannot conclude on forgery without the UI.No amount of forensic science will prove forgery without UI who issued the certificate

What about the 2016 affidavit Obaseki submitted to INEC that the court Registrar has come to court to deny having any record of it in their custody.
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by agabusta: 12:47am On Jan 03, 2021
seanfer:


You keep getting this wrong. If they can establish that Obaseki committed forgery in 2016 the court will remove him and he will be prosecuted for forgery after taking away his immunity. INEC submitted the 2 forms he filled in 2016/2020 and there are discrepancies in them.

Dont mind that poster.

The lawyer is trying to show the court that Obaseki has an history of inconsistencies and perjury and at same time, pick holes in the new acclaimed certificate.
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by cktheluckyman: 1:27am On Jan 03, 2021
seanfer:


You keep getting this wrong. If they can establish that Obaseki committed forgery in 2016 the court will remove him and he will be prosecuted for forgery after taking away his immunity. INEC submitted the 2 forms he filled in 2016/2020 and there are discrepancies in them.
He cannot be removed on the basis of any document submitted in 2016 as this is another election.

Yes he can however be prosecuted for forgery in 2016 but only after his tenure as Governor is over
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Nobody: 2:28am On Jan 03, 2021
cktheluckyman:

He cannot be removed on the basis of any document submitted in 2016 as this is another election.

Yes he can however be prosecuted for forgery in 2016 but only after his tenure as Governor is over
and how do you know that? Show me anywhere in the constitution where that was stated.

Only the court has the final say so begger wait and don't put too much Hope
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by cktheluckyman: 6:46am On Jan 03, 2021
TheGodlessGod:
and how do you know that? Show me anywhere in the constitution where that was stated.

Only the court has the final say so begger wait and don't put too much Hope
Section 308 A serving Governor cannot be prosecuted for any crime including murder.
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by seanfer(m): 9:35am On Jan 03, 2021
cktheluckyman:

He cannot be removed on the basis of any document submitted in 2016 as this is another election.

Yes he can however be prosecuted for forgery in 2016 but only after his tenure as Governor is over

Once a case of perjury has been established against Obaseki, the court will rule that he is not eligible to be a governor. This is exactly what happened to Bayelsa APC deputy Governor elect.
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Nobody: 10:04am On Jan 03, 2021
cktheluckyman:

Section 308 A serving Governor cannot be prosecuted for any crime including murder.
you said a governor cant be removed from submitting forged result in the previous election, show me where in the constitution where it is written
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Dansuqi: 10:14am On Jan 03, 2021
TheGodlessGod:
you said a governor cant be removed from submitting forged result in the previous election, show me where in the constitution where it is written

He is correct
Re: The Real Issues Surrounding Gov Obaseki And APC by Dansuqi: 10:16am On Jan 03, 2021
agabusta:



It is the courts that has the final say, not the issuing body.
The evidence of an issuing body is not cast in gold. It can be cross examined and a Judge will make ruling based on arguments.

A smart lawyer can discredit the issuing body if the certificate issues to others of same set are different from his.

An issuing body can be compromised. This can be proved by any good lawyer and the court can render the evidence of the issuing body defective.

Gbammm

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