CapitalCee:


It doesn't matter what Brazil did, the fact remains that Copa America is a continental competition. Equivalent to AFCON and Euros and wining it is very huge. That competition has teams with 9 world cup wins and 14 world cup final appearances between them. Its safe to say that apart from World Cup and arguably Euros, Copa is the next biggest international competition in the world. And you know this dayo

Brazilians have never rated Copa. They often send undermanned teams for the competition.
For e.g Pele played for Brazil for 14yrs and in that period he attended only 1 Copa and did not go for 4.

raumdeuter:


Squawka was right about both Kehrer and Thiago

And blamed both for the goal conceded

Thiago was the most experienced defender and still defended like a rookie leading to the CL final loss the only final of his career

He is no stranger to such disaster

He led the defence that lost a 4-0 win in the CL vs Barcelona

He has been practicing for that when Milan defeated Arsenal 4-0 only for Silva to lead them to collapse to a 3-0 return leg defeat

Just like when psg had a 3-1 win vs Chelsea only for Silva led defence to collapse at Stamford bridge

Any team depending on Silva to lead their defence is not ready. He is only good enough to pick balls from the net

Don't ever compare that disaster to Boatank a CL and world cup winner

Na you quote me when I give you one question now you go run away.

According to squawka T.silva was found wanting which means he was no where to be found when the goal was scored and gave him a rating of 7 out of 10.
But Kehrer was massively culpable for the goal which means he is the culprit or cause of the goal and gave him rating of 4.
So on this basis we cannot say T.silva is the one that cause the goal a dent in his defensive duty that day but he is not the cause of that goals as you want us to believe.

What about squawka rating J. Terry as the best defender in EPL history?
Egbon not your rating but your reliable squawka rating.

raumdeuter:


Allison without VVD won the Copa America

The same Copa America is now useless because Thiago Silva won it.

Na masquerade dem suppose use chase you out of Texas.

Trevor012:
You're Gareth Southgate

You can only pick FIVE of these players to go to Euro 2020 in addition with Kane, Rashford and Sterling.

Dominic Calvert-Lewin
Mason Greenwood
Phil Foden
James Maddison
Jadon Sancho
Callum Hudson-Odoi
Jack Grealish
Tammy Abraham
Patrick Bamford
Danny Ings
Mason Mount

Who do you pick?

Easy.


Ings
Grealish
Sancho
Foden
Mount

Between Foden and Grealish, I don't need another AM (Madison) hence went for Mount who can also work CM.

afrodoc2:


Brazilians have never rated Copa. They often send undermanned teams for the competition.
For e.g Pele played for Brazil for 14yrs and in that period he attended only 1 Copa and did not go for 4.

Yeah. But Copa is a continental tournament. Whether Brazil rate it or not doesnt make it less relevant. For example British teams dont rate Olympics. Its not an easy tournament to win. Just like saying AFCON is useless because Nigeria dont rate it. Especially as Abacha ordered super Eagles to boycott the 1996 tournament because of his rift with Mandela and also did not enter the 1998 tournament.

CapitalCee:


Yeah. But Copa is a continental tournament. Whether Brazil rate it or not doesnt make it less relevant. For example British teams dont rate Olympics. Its not an easy tournament to win.

Apples and oranges though. It is not that British teams don’t rate the Olympics but that they really can’t go for the Olympics.

There is no British National Team. You have teams for England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland.

Unfortunately England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland are not members of the I.O.C, U.K is.

And i am just hearing for the first time that Nigerians don’t rate AFCON. When did this happen?

Ibime:


Easy.


Ings
Grealish
Sancho
Foden
Mount

Between Foden and Grealish, I don't need another AM (Madison) hence went for Mount who can also work CM.

You are correct I chose Maddison because of his form, but I think Mount will be better for versatility.

If am Southgate. I will play 3-5-2. Pope; Stone, Maguire, AWB; TAA, Chilwell/Shaw, Rice, Henderson, Grealish, Rashford, Kane.

CapitalCee:


You are correct I chose Maddison because of his form, but I think Mount will be better for versatility.

If am Southgate. I will play 3-5-2. Pope; Stone, Maguire, AWB; TAA, Chilwell/Shaw, Rice, Henderson, Grealish, Rashford, Kane.

The major reason Mount is getting mentioned is because this is a Shekpite thread. There is no position in which Mount is not 3rd or 4th choice. His versatility is not needed.

A fit Maddison gets ahead of him at CAM, as will Grealish and Foden.

At RW Sterling, Sancho, Foden, Rashford are ahead.

At LW Sterling, Rashford, Grealish, Sancho are ahead.

afrodoc2:


Apples and oranges though. It is not that British teams don’t rate the Olympics but that they really can’t go tor the Olympics.

There is no British National Team. You have teams for England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland.

Unfortunately England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland are not members of the I.O.C, U.K is.

And i am just hearing for the first time that Nigerians don’t rate AFCON. When did this happen?

Nigeria do rate AFCON very highly. My point is that if a single nation decides to not care about a tournament doesn't make it less relevant.

I am aware of the home nations' membership issue of IOC, but British people dont rate Olympics tournaments in general.

CapitalCee:


Nigeria do rate AFCON very highly. My point is that if a single nation decides to not care about a tournament doesn't make it less relevant.

I am aware of the home nations' membership issue of IOC, but British people dont rate Olympics tournaments in general.

Olympic football or Olympic sports?

afrodoc2:


The major reason Mount is getting mentioned is because this is a Shekpite thread. There is no position in which Mount is not 3rd or 4th choice. His versatility is not needed.

A fit Maddison gets ahead of him at CAM, as will Grealish and Foden.

At RW Sterling, Sancho, Foden, Rashford are ahead.

At LW Sterling, Rashford, Grealish, are ahead.

Honestly I personally dont rate Mount no biases. I just felt they will be overloaded at AM position. But it will be criminal to leave out Maddison, the guys form now is on Bruno/KDB level.

Doc if you are Southgate who will you start in tge first match assuming everybody is fit

afrodoc2:


Olympic football or Olympic sports?

Football

CapitalCee:


Football

Why would you rate or be interested in a tournament that your country never qualifies for?

You have never been emotionally involved, your father never watched, your grandfather never watched?

It all stems from lack of participation due to the Home Nations’ issue.

I get your point about relevance and interest though, however the unstable history of the COPA shows it is not at the level of the Euros for instance.

The other three players are Kovacic, Jorginho and N’Golo Kante. That means it’s not easy for Billy to find his place, but he’s the no.4 right now in my head and to be the no.4 for two positions is a pretty good start for Billy.”

- Thomas Tuchel

CapitalCee:


Honestly I personally dont rate Mount no biases. I just felt they will be overloaded at AM position. But it will be criminal to leave out Maddison, the guys form now is on Bruno/KDB level.

Doc if you are Southgate who will you start in tge first match assuming everybody is fit

GK: Henderson or Pope. Pickford is too erratic and jumpy.

RB: TAA. His creativity might be key especially for a team that is often one dimensional in attack. On a short leash though and to be replaced if a defensive liability.

LB: Shaw or Chilwell to fight it out in camp.

CBs: Maguire and Stones. Makes no difference, they are all pretty useless anyway.

CDM: Rice OR Henderson

RAM: Maddison

LAM: Foden

LW: Rashford

RW: Sterling

CF: Kane

A 4-3-3 with 2 attacking midfielders will allow for more creativity and flexibility of play which is the major problem England suffers repeatedly in tournaments i.e one dimensional play.

However i suspect Southgate will be cautious and rather use a double pivot of Rice and Henderson thereby stifling their creativity.

afrodoc2:


GK: Henderson or Pope. Pickford is too erratic and jumpy.

RB: TAA. His creativity might be key especially for a team that is often one dimensional in attack. On a short leash though and to be replaced if a defensive liability.

LB: Shaw or Chilwell to fight it out in camp.

CBs: Maguire and Stones. Makes no difference, they are all pretty useless anyway.

CDM: Rice OR Henderson

RAM: Maddison

LAM: Foden

LW: Rashford

RW: Sterling

CF: Kane

A 4-3-3 with 2 attacking midfielders will allow for more creativity and flexibility of play which is the major problem England suffers repeatedly in tournaments i.e one dimensional play.

However i suspect Southgate will be cautious and rather use a double pivot of Rice and Henderson thereby stifling their creativity.

Yeah I will start the same formation if I am playing 4-3-3 and with Foden and Maddison there is enough creativity.

Although i think Southgate is not that adventurous and wont go gong ho, so might want to replicate his World Cup formation, 3-5-2 especially with the defensive liability of the likes of TAA. May be I see AWB or Walker joining Maguire and Stones at the CB to free TAA/Trippier/Shaw/Chilwell.

raumdeuter:


Not just 1 match, crucial semi vs Barcelona the iddiot got red carded when his team was down 2 goals at Nou Camp

Very useless player that John Terry

World cup he was an embarassment

The group stage, 2nd round and quarters were not crucial right?

Manchester United are out of the UCL because people didn't do their job in the group stage. If we had progress, someone will come here are say the 2nd r8und is crucial...Who defines which match is crucial and using what metric?

All football matches are important unless the trophy is already won...

Sincerely, wahala be like Dayo

patrickmuf:
The group stage, 2nd round and quarters were not crucial right?

Manchester United are out of the UCL because people didn't do their job in the group stage. If we had progress, someone will come here are say the 2nd r8und is crucial...Who defines which match is crucial and using what metric?

All football matches are important unless the trophy is already won...

What a terrible example. All big teams are expected to come out of the group stage. The knock stage is where the main competition starts. Your team dropping out of the group stage shows failure.

Capaldi:

What a terrible example. All big teams are expected to come out of the group stage. The knock stage is where the main competition starts. Your team dropping out of the group stage shows failure.

You're very funny...If someone doesn't score the goals or prevent the goals from going in, how do you make it out of the group stage? Please put your thinking cap on before you quote me...

How do you praise a player for his performance in the semis and finals forgetting the competition started with the group stage then the 2nd round and then the quarters...

It's like praising player A for his performance in the semi and finals of a competition and saying his team mate, player B was rubbish because he didn't supply the goods in the 'crucial' games (semi and final) even when he scored in the group stage games to help the team progress and not stopping, did same in the 2nd round and quarters...Are you just going to discard the performance of player B because according to your failed logic the group stage, 2nd round and quarters are not crucial?

patrickmuf:
You're very funny...If someone doesn't score the goals or prevent the goals from going in, how do you make it out of the group stage? Please put your thinking cap on before you quote me...

How do you praise a player for his performance in the semis and finals forgetting the competition started with the group stage then the 2nd round and then the quarters...

It's like praising player A for his performance in the semi and finals of a competition and saying his team mate, player B was rubbish because he didn't supply the goods in the 'crucial' games (semi and final) even when he scored in the group stage games to help the team progress and not stopping, did same in the 2nd round and quarters...Are you just going to discard the performance of player B because according to your failed logic the group stage, 2nd round and quarters are not crucial?

You are just beating around the bush with many words. The group stage is a formality for all top teams in major competition. Germany/Spain/Madrid/Barca getting knocked out in the group stage is a failure similarly no one will praised them for leaving the group stage. Performances in the knockout stages of any competition is the koko.

airmark:


The same Copa America is now useless because Thiago Silva won it.

Na masquerade dem suppose use chase you out of Texas.

, this thtead na cruise

Capaldi:

You are just beating around the bush with many words. The group stage is a formality for all top teams in major competition. Germany/Spain/Madrid/Barca getting knocked out in the group stage is a failure similarly no one will praised them for leaving the group stage. Performances in the knockout stages of any competition is the koko.

So failure in the group stage is tied to the whole team but success in the semis and finals should be tied to a particular player...E be things...

patrickmuf:
So failure in the group stage is tied to the whole team but success in the semis and finals should be tied to a particular player...E be things...

I called out your example of using United failure to leave the group stage. I don't know where you are adding things from.

Somebody actually believes performances in the group stage and knock stage in a cup competition are equal. It can only be ment.

Capaldi:

I called out your example of using United failure to leave the group stage. I don't know where you are adding things from.

United is a practical example...If United had made it out of the group stage with Rashford scoring goals and then get past the 2nd round and quarters with Rashford again delivering the goods, will you now say Martial was the most important player for Man Utd if he scores in the semis and final?

My point is that you can't undermine the performance of a player in the group stage, 2nd round and quarters because you think they're not crucial...If they're not crucial, will you make it to the next round in you fail in any of those stages?

Abeg who fit help me explain to this bros? I am tired abeg.

Capaldi:
Somebody actually believes performances in the group stage and knock stage in a cup competition are equal. It can only be ment.

Na you dey ment and you dey ment big time.

patrickmuf:
United 8s a practical example...If United had made it out of the group stage with Rashford scoring goals and then get past the 2nd round and qurater with Rashford again delivering the goods, will you now say Martial was the most important player for Man Utd if he scores in the semis and final?

My point is that you can't undermine the performance of a player in the group stage, 2nd round and quarters because you think they're not crucial...If they're not crucial, will you make it to the next round in you fail in any of those stages?

Abeg who fit help me explain to this nros? I am tired abeg.

You just keep typing long sentences up and down with little substance. Performance in the knockout stage will always outweighs that of the group stages. United crashing out of the group stage is like I said a failure and a poor example to use.

patrickmuf:
Na you dey ment and you dey ment big time.

Did I mention you?

Capaldi:

You just keep typing long sentences up and down with little substance. Performance in the knockout stage will always outweighs that of the group stages. United crashing out of the group stage is like I said a failure and a poor example to use.

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patrickmuf:
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Wahala dey o.

Patickmuf you dey vex these days o.