Kaycee7:
Shouldn't have included Neeson. His controversy isn't primarily political.

What is it?

Kaycee7:
Please, tell me you're not trying to to make Gina into this love-and-light motivational speaker.

Anyone can be love-and-light motivational speaker. Even the rotten amongst us can. You may only choose to ignore them.

Kaycee7:
Can you mention any big corporation that was cancelled for opposing leftist agenda or pushing right-wing agenda?

Big corporations hardly get cancelled because they know how to play the game. But when situation arises, the CEO steps down or someone serves as the scape goat. However, some business were cancelled for supporting Trump. Examples Goya Food and Equinox and SoulCycle.

Kaycee7:
Uhm, you know Fox is right-wing, right?

I know. Fox news, CNN, MSNBC, New York times etc they are all culprit for pushing hate with bias coverage. If you take out time to watch Fox news and CNN for 3 days, you would think the stories coming from both media are from two different countries.

DandeNumeruno:

This nigga be like...



You need help bro, not even kidding.

As usual, the name calling when they have nothing to say. Peace

toluxe0075:


She didn't belittle the Holocaust. She's trying to compare the current situation to the chain of event that led to the Holocaust. The problem these people with that post is because it was posted by Gina and not one of their Saint and holy sweethearts.
If someone like Chris Evans had posted it, the media would have regarded him as a sage and various interviews would have followed.

You know the Holocaust was a one-sided and racial event, right? How does that compare to political differences?

I'm a moderate conservative and it's my opinion that Gina Carano is a racist piece of shit, but cancelling her isn't the right thing to do.

toluxe0075:

What is it?

It's racial.

Anyone can be love-and-light motivational speaker. Even the rotten amongst us can. You may only choose to ignore them.

It sounds more like you're choosing to see a motivational statement where a bad analogy resides.

Big corporations hardly get cancelled because they know how to play the game. But when situation arises, the CEO steps down or someone serves as the scape goat. However, some business were cancelled for supporting Trump. Examples Goya Food and Equinox and SoulCycle.

So if you know this, why act like you were expecting Disney to be this moral pillar when they're basically just doing business as usual?

I know. Fox news, CNN, MSNBC, New York times etc they are all culprit for pushing hate with bias coverage. If you take out time to watch Fox news and CNN for 3 days, you would think the stories coming from both media are from two different countries.

So where do you get your unbiased news report from?

toluxe0075:

As usual, the name calling when they have nothing to say. Peace

Not gonna waste my energy debating with someone who's clearly my intellectual minion. Besides, Kaycee7 is dealing with you sufficiently. Peace.

VerifiedStalin:
I'm a moderate conservative and it's my opinion that Gina Carano is a racist piece of shit, but cancelling her isn't the right thing to do.

Had it been she works with another studio, she might have not been fired but with Disney, she had to go.

DandeNumeruno:


Dude, I was trying to be objective, but I can see that you want to be unfortunate.

If you can't see why it's inappropriate to compare a conservative to victims of the holocaust, or why Disney wouldn't want to associate its family friendly brand with a documented bigot, then you're surely a house nigger... the epitome of mental slavery, and believe me, it's the worst form of subjection that makes you willingly and happily buy more chains and latches from your oppressors, lock yourself up, while making an enemy of those who has the keys to liberate you.

I love this.

*Slow clap*

Nickshrapnel:
Had it been she works with another studio, she might have not been fired but with Disney, she had to go.

Yeah I get it, but cancelling everyone with dissenting views doesn't & won't solve anything. It's almost as if we're living in a modern dystopia. It's a scary thought.

toluxe0075:

"Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views”

Hmmm.
If this is what she said, they the reaction everyone is having is so over the top

DandeNumeruno:


I think it has something to do with Conservative core ideologies being at odds with The New World Order. Conservatives value order. They believe that there is a natural order to things. They support harsher punishments as a means of preserving that order. Likewise, they also believe it is the role of government to protect that natural order because the laws of man and the laws of nature are inseparable.

Conversely, The New World Order values freedom. It challenges the idea that there is a natural order, and that people ought to have the option to exercise choice. It wants to grant people more freedom, regardless of whether it may undermine society's order or not. Likewise, since it doesn't really put much stock in a universal order, it believes there is no universal morality for government to uphold, except for the right of citizens to decide/choose for themselves.

Therefore, the so-called Cancel Culture originates from people's behaviour and opinions being at odds with public perception because of the disruptiveness of their rhetorics.

Objectively, I don't support Cancel Culture due to its likeness to witch hunting, but people with non-inclusive ideas should also have the smarts to read the room, and realise their disruptive opinions are not welcomed in public spaces.

Did you major in philosophy in the uni. you write like a philosopher.

toluxe0075:

You are no different from those that claim to be tolerant and advocate of freedom of speech, but go beserk or crazy the moment a person with a valid contrary opinion engage them in a conversation.

Rather than state how her statement is family unfriendly, you choose to paint me with ridiculous names. And of course, you're the highly liberated mind with objective thoughts. It shows the kind of hypocrite you are. Once they don't agree with us, we call them unpaintable names to shut them up. Typical of the so called tolerant and freedom of speech advocate. And guess what, they are the breakers of chain, the solution to all problems

Well, I wouldn't stoop low with you, rather, I will engage the topic at hand. If you choose to continue to rant, like your fellow morons, I wish you well.

Now going by the discussion, below is the statement she posted:

"Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views”

She made a very valid point by clearly noting that before the Holocaust could happen, the Nazi government had to keep pushing propaganda to make Germans hate the Jews for simply being Jews.

How is that different from what is currently happening?

The media, leftist, and the big corporations continuously propagate hatred by demonizing conservatives and anyone with contrary opinion to what they state to be the absolute truth.

And to make things worse, there is a triangular love story between the the media, the democrats, and the big corporations. The democrats comes up with a propaganda, the media propagate it, and then the big corporations ensure that everyone complies with it even if it's senseless. You give a valid contrary opinion,
you get cancelled and called all sort of names.

People are getting fired for sharing valid opinions that are contrary to the leftists so called truth. People are getting cancelled for tweets of 10 years because the leftist believes it's harmful. Chris Pratt is being targeted because he choose to be a Christian and a Republican. Liam Neeson got cancelled because for stating something he eventually didn't do and felt sorry for even thinking about it. Brilliant movies like hillybilly Elegy is being cancelled because they show whites also suffer from poverty and other ills associated to black community. Mozilla’s former CEO Brendan Eich was cancelled for his opinion on marriage.

And Gina Carano's post is clearly stating that in order to prevent what led to the Holocaust, we need to stop making mistakes that led to it, the act of demonizing some set of people. But no, the media and the leftists in their so called tolerant way got her fired. And guess what, they simply proved her right.

Funnily enough, Pedro Pascal made similar post last year when he compared the immigration camp to Germany's concentration camp with a picture. Of course, he's one of their own and his tweet was to make Trump look bad, so all is forgiven. Double standard at play.

Coming back to Disney. Isn't ridiculous that Disney is firing someone for holocaust post while they thank and asslick China's government for their support for Mulan; a government known to be doing something close the Holocaust they so much hate. A government known for forcibly rounding up Urghur Muslims and sending them to concentration camp where they forcibly sterilise their women. But no, Disney cannot be cancelled. It's one of the big corporations for the leftist agenda.

And finally, you can call me all ridiculous names in the world, that's what your likes do anyway, but I just hope you will begin to think objectively as you claim to do and not swallow, without thoughts, all the bullshits CNN and Fox news feed you. Peace.

I kinda agree with you.

IbrahimMav:


Did you major in philosophy in the uni. you write like a philosopher.

Ah swear...as in.

Abeg MORE PUNCHLINES from the two conflicting SCHOOL OF THOUGHT.


This is the kind of Cognitive Stimulating Convo I love seeing.



This is why I miss and loved the Movies thread before it deteriorated.

You folks should watch out for this Lakeith Stanfield dude.

He's the Denzel Washington of this generation.

A very versatile actor!!!

Off to download Judas and the Black Messiah

Raalsalghul:
You folks should watch out for this Lakeith Stanfield dude.

He's the Denzel Washington of this generation.

A very versatile actor!!!

Off to download Judas and the Black Messiah

Denzel isn't very versatile oo.

He only ever play 3 roles......a soldier, a cop, and a gangster.

.

VerifiedStalin:


Denzel not very versatile oo.

He only ever play 3 roles......a soldier, a cop, and a gangster.

Fences?
Flight?
Cry Freedom?
The Preacher's Wife?
The Great Debaters?
The Hurricane?
Remember the Titans and on and on?


Honestly, I don't think we're talking about the same person.

Raalsalghul:


Fences?
Flight?
Cry Freedom?
The Preacher's Wife?
The Great Debaters?
The Hurricane?
Remember the Titans and on and on?


Honestly, I don't think we're talking about the same person.

Go through this list and you'd see that outside the biopics, his best films are the ones he's playing any of these characters.

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/all-denzel-washington-movies-ranked/

Kaycee7:
You know the Holocaust was a one-sided and racial event, right? How does that compare to political differences?

But the holocaust started with hatred and reinforcement of hate towards some people before it became grounded in genocidal policy.

It's was the same propagation of hatred towards blacks with claims that they are inferior and the unacceptance of differing political views that blacks should be free from slavery that led to civil war in America. Hate propaganda by Hutus to gain political power led to the genocide in Rwanda.

So if people with different political views are being fired, called names, sidelined, demonized, etc, are we not pushing them to take extreme measures to express their political views? Are we not also pushing those the mainstream media made believe have superior political views to take extreme measures to shut up differing views?

Some of these extreme measures may be violent that may lead to civil war.

Whether from the right wing or left wing, hating someone because of their political views is bad and may have huge consequences such civil war or genocide, and extreme consequences like the holocaust. Engaging in discussion to iron out what is the best ways to do things is the right way, not by cancelling people with differing ideas. We can't all agree to the same thing.

Her use of holocaust might be extreme. Perhaps, she should have used civil war for her analogy, but that doesn't undermine the message she is passing across.

Kaycee7:
It's racial.

I know. I felt the media picked on him back then because he's white and this was at the time Trump was in office and the talk of white supremacy was at its peak. And sadly for him, he said it in February, special months for African Americans.

I felt he shouldn't be cancelled after stating clearly he felt bad for having those thoughts. If Joe Biden could make far worse racist statement while in Congress and get forgiveness, why can't Liam be forgiven.

Kaycee7:
It sounds more like you're choosing to see a motivational statement where a bad analogy resides.

I won't call it a bad analogy but an extreme one to use. Civil war could have been better.

Kaycee7:
So if you know this, why act like you were expecting Disney to be this moral pillar when they're basically just doing business as usual?

Then why is Disney serving as the moral pillar against Gina too? What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Kaycee7:
So where do you get your unbiased news report from?

Unbiased news is hard to come by. However, God gave us brain to think and eyes to observe. It's our duty to think for ourselves and not based our final views on what celebrities said or mainstream media said.

DandeNumeruno:


Not gonna waste my energy debating with someone who's clearly my intellectual minion. Besides, Kaycee7 is dealing with you sufficiently. Peace.

Well, Kaycee7 is wise. He understands the fact that we learn, grow, and come to logical conclusions when we hear from people with contrary opinion and not by blocking and cancelling them. As you can see, he's asking questions without name calling. Cheers.

I won't be engaging any post that quote me about this same issue anymore. We've totally derailed the thread.

VerifiedStalin:


Go through this list and you'd see that outside the biopics, his best films are the ones he's playing any of these characters.

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/all-denzel-washington-movies-ranked/

What do you mean by "outside the biopics" as if they're not supposed to count when rating an actor's performance?

Are they not films? Isn't the actor performing another character?

Asides that, seems like you're focused on the role as opposed what they did while in the role.

Come up with a valid point please, not this.

toluxe0075:

But the holocaust started with hatred and reinforcement of hate towards some people before it became grounded in genocidal policy.

It's was the same propagation of hatred towards blacks with claims that they are inferior and the unacceptance of differing political views that blacks should be free from slavery that led to civil war in America. Hate propaganda by Hutus to gain political power led to the genocide in Rwanda.

The Holocaust started with hatred towards a race, the Jews. The Civil War was fought because the slavery argument was divided on geographical lines, the North vs the South. And the Rwandan genocide was driven by ethnic conflict. The common ground here being that the rallying factors: race, geography, ethnicity are all things that people could not choose but rather were born into.
On the political scene however, anyone can choose to lean on any side. There's no discerning features to pinpoint who's conservative or liberal till they drop their views. No matter how it's spun, political differences, as long as they cross geographical lines, will hardly escalate to an event the level of the Holocaust.

So if people with different political views are being fired, called names, sidelined, demonized, etc, are we not pushing them to take extreme measures to express their political views? Are we not also pushing those the mainstream media made believe have superior political views to take extreme measures to shut up differing views?

Some of these extreme measures may be violent that may lead to civil war.

Whether from the right wing or left wing, hating someone because of their political views is bad and may have huge consequences such civil war or genocide, and extreme consequences like the holocaust. Engaging in discussion to iron out what is the best ways to do things is the right way, not by cancelling people with differing ideas. We can't all agree to the same thing.

Her use of holocaust might be extreme. Perhaps, she should have used civil war for her analogy, but that doesn't undermine the message she is passing across.

Cancel culture is a weapon that can be wielded by anyone. It's not exclusive to the left.
And it feels like the tweet in question is the only offence you feel Gina is paying for. It's actually a last straw. She's liked a racist post, taken an anti-mask stand. She'd stretched the tolerance of the fan base to the limit and Disney had done as much damage control as they could. This tweet is simply the last straw

Gmajor:



Hmmm.
If this is what she said, they the reaction everyone is having is so over the top

There are some scenarios that require we keep our opinions to ourselves.

You have to study your environment and the prevailing culture before blabbing off.

It is called being emotionally intelligent.

Besides, I was made aware that this isn't her first controversial tweet.

toluxe0075:

I know. I felt the media picked on him back then because he's white and this was at the time Trump was in office and the talk of white supremacy was at its peak. And sadly for him, he said it in February, special months for African Americans.

I felt he shouldn't be cancelled after stating clearly he felt bad for having those thoughts. If Joe Biden could make far worse racist statement while in Congress and get forgiveness, why can't Liam be forgiven.

The media didn't pick on him. The black community did.
And wasn't Biden reading from a statement? How is that even on par with Liam's first hand account?
Anyway, Liam's controversy is old news. With a good publicity team, he should be back in the limelight in no time.

I won't call it a bad analogy but an extreme one to use. Civil war could have been better.

The Civil War? You really don't like Gina, do you?

Then why is Disney serving as the moral pillar against Gina too? What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Disney's not serving as any moral pillar. Gina's bad for business, so she's gotta go. It's nothing personal.

Unbiased news is hard to come by. However, God gave us brain to think and eyes to observe. It's our duty to think for ourselves and not based our final views on what celebrities said or mainstream media said.

And it is people's unbiased view that Gina Carano is a racist piece of shít

toluxe0075:

You are no different from those that claim to be tolerant and advocate of freedom of speech, but go beserk or crazy the moment a person with a valid contrary opinion engage them in a conversation.

Rather than state how her statement is family unfriendly, you choose to paint me with ridiculous names. And of course, you're the highly liberated mind with objective thoughts. It shows the kind of hypocrite you are. Once they don't agree with us, we call them unpaintable names to shut them up. Typical of the so called tolerant and freedom of speech advocate. And guess what, they are the breakers of chain, the solution to all problems

Well, I wouldn't stoop low with you, rather, I will engage the topic at hand. If you choose to continue to rant, like your fellow morons, I wish you well.

Now going by the discussion, below is the statement she posted:

"Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views”

She made a very valid point by clearly noting that before the Holocaust could happen, the Nazi government had to keep pushing propaganda to make Germans hate the Jews for simply being Jews.

How is that different from what is currently happening?

The media, leftist, and the big corporations continuously propagate hatred by demonizing conservatives and anyone with contrary opinion to what they state to be the absolute truth.

And to make things worse, there is a triangular love story between the the media, the democrats, and the big corporations. The democrats comes up with a propaganda, the media propagate it, and then the big corporations ensure that everyone complies with it even if it's senseless. You give a valid contrary opinion,
you get cancelled and called all sort of names.

People are getting fired for sharing valid opinions that are contrary to the leftists so called truth. People are getting cancelled for tweets of 10 years because the leftist believes it's harmful. Chris Pratt is being targeted because he choose to be a Christian and a Republican. Liam Neeson got cancelled because for stating something he eventually didn't do and felt sorry for even thinking about it. Brilliant movies like hillybilly Elegy is being cancelled because they show whites also suffer from poverty and other ills associated to black community. Mozilla’s former CEO Brendan Eich was cancelled for his opinion on marriage.

And Gina Carano's post is clearly stating that in order to prevent what led to the Holocaust, we need to stop making mistakes that led to it, the act of demonizing some set of people. But no, the media and the leftists in their so called tolerant way got her fired. And guess what, they simply proved her right.

Funnily enough, Pedro Pascal made similar post last year when he compared the immigration camp to Germany's concentration camp with a picture. Of course, he's one of their own and his tweet was to make Trump look bad, so all is forgiven. Double standard at play.

Coming back to Disney. Isn't ridiculous that Disney is firing someone for holocaust post while they thank and asslick China's government for their support for Mulan; a government known to be doing something close the Holocaust they so much hate. A government known for forcibly rounding up Urghur Muslims and sending them to concentration camp where they forcibly sterilise their women. But no, Disney cannot be cancelled. It's one of the big corporations for the leftist agenda.

And finally, you can call me all ridiculous names in the world, that's what your likes do anyway, but I just hope you will begin to think objectively as you claim to do and not swallow, without thoughts, all the bullshits CNN and Fox news feed you. Peace.

You wrote well but left out one important thing: Environment!

Opinions could fire back if expressed in the wrong settings.

It's as simple as that!!!

VerifiedStalin:


Denzel isn't very versatile oo.

He only ever play 3 roles ......a soldier, a cop, and a gangster.

Not true though. Fences, John Q, Book of Eli, Antwone Fisher, Remember The Titans, The Great Debaters etc., are movies of his that he didn't play any of the aforementioned roles. He might not be versatile that much, but he's played more than just those 3 roles.

Beorn1:



Not true though. Fences, John Q, Book of Eli, Antwone Fisher, Remember The Titans, The Great Debaters etc., are movies of his that he didn't play any of the aforementioned roles. He might not be versatile that much, but he's played more than just those 3 roles.

You can imagine my surprise when he said that.

I just think it's because Denzel likes to play serious characters that's why he doesn't seem versatile.

What are your thoughts on this Stanfield dude?

Remember the Titans: 2.5/4 stars