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All countries in the world - with a modern gov are socialist or communist by nature. That is whole point of having a gov. There is no gov that doesn't have some social services - at least nearly all provide schools, hospitals and basic social services.

Now what therefore distinguish btw communist, socialist and capitalist states or nation - is the % - it a spectrum.

The social states like Norway, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark - have huge public sector - and taxes heavily - nearly 50% of GDP is gov revenues - the public sector is huge. They have "no" private schools, hospitals, roads, name it. The public sector is biggest employer. They provide free social services to everyone - not just the poor - the president will take his kids to nearest public school and go to the nearest hospital. The country is equally developed - there are no gated communities for the super rich. The private sector exists and thrives - because the gov facilitate - their work - the roads are great, the rails work, business works.

If you got to North Korea and few such remaining communist state like Ethiopia - you'll find that public sector is 100% - and private sector is zero. There is nothing private there. Everything is owned by gov. Instead of private companies - it either one or many parastals. Ethiopia for example doesn't allow private commercial banks, telecommunications and many other sectors....and they've open up a lot. Previously it was North Korea.

US, South Africa, Kenya are capitalist states. Tax to GDP ratios are 20-25%. That mean public sector is about 1/4 - while 3/4 is private sector. That means private schools, hospitals, name it are preffered because public sector is underfunded. That mean social services are nothing more than social safety net. It's not a way of life like in social states. It means gov will only assist you if you're poor. If you're not poor, you don't expect anything from gov, you basically arrange your schools, hospital, security, pay toll fees for roads, - and gov doesn't really bother with rich or middle class people.

The best countries in the world are without doubt socialist states. But there is of course causality and causation. These social states are very tiny homogenous nations. Can you scale social model to say China or India or US or Brazil without destroying the market economies that create wealth and fight poverty in big scale.

In my view - when a country has become developed or stuck a natural resource jackpot- it can afford to go socialist route. While developing it's best to let the magic of capitalism create wealth and create a social safety net for the poor.

Once poverty is history - you can move to equal happy society with little in crime or tension.

jln115:
South Africa was never a capatilist state, even under apartheid South Africa would still be considered a more socialist state however social services were focused on white minority only

As for Botswana.... Well Botswana is one of the most unequal countries in the world, just below South Africa and even economically speaking Botswana doesn't fair much better per capita wise even though it has a tiny population.

The worst thing you could ever do in a country is nationalisation, nationalisation is the first ticket to economic ruin.

Fact is capitalist countries in general are not just more wealthy but more equal to.... Even poverty figures are less in capitalist countries than socialist countries.

There is special category for Nigeria - it's a ZOO. Gov simply doesn't really exists. There is no electricity, no piped water, no sewage, no schools, no security. These countries includes Somalia. Tax to GDP is 5% to zero - like in Somalia. Gov is so underfunded - you simply have to do everything on your own including building road like Dangote, generate your own power, dig your own sewage.

Such countries the gov has either collapsed or is so dysfunctional or is war torn - people just try to escape it and immigrate abroad.

Kenya is poor but to imagine Nigeria with 4-5 times Kenya population run on similar budget is mindboggling. Public sector is totally kaput. Simple road or bridge takes 20-30yrs to complete. Pensions are not paid. Gov salaries delayed. The gov to debt servicing ratio is now 80%...meaning gov is essentially bankrupt.

@kikuyu1 I just saw this. I think it dates back two weeks ago. Who do this people think they are. Just because they are Gods "chosen people" makes them think they can get away with all their atrocities. Always bringing up the holocaust to justify their actions.

Last thing we need to revisit this term "anti-Semite". Cause it seems that's all these dickheads know whenever they're confronted.

rvp2018:
There is special category for Nigeria - it's a ZOO. Gov simply doesn't really exists. There is no electricity, no piped water, no sewage, no schools, no security. These countries includes Somalia. Tax to GDP is 5% to zero - like in Somalia. Gov is so underfunded - you simply have to do everything on your own including building road like Dangote, generate your own power, dig your own sewage.

Such countries the gov has either collapsed or is so dysfunctional or is war torn - people just try to escape it and immigrate abroad.

Kenya is poor but to imagine Nigeria with 4-5 times Kenya population run on similar budget is mindboggling. Public sector is totally kaput. Simple road or bridge takes 20-30yrs to complete. Pensions are not paid. Gov salaries delayed. The gov to debt servicing ratio is now 80%...meaning gov is essentially bankrupt.

The hate is not good for your health, purge your mind of it and see your world become clearer.

Accra remain the little London.....

rvp2018:
All countries in the world - with a modern gov are socialist or communist by nature. That is whole point of having a gov. There is no gov that doesn't have some social services - at least nearly all provide schools, hospitals and basic social services.

Now what therefore distinguish btw communist, socialist and capitalist states or nation - is the % - it a spectrum.

The social states like Norway, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark - have huge public sector - and taxes heavily - nearly 50% of GDP is gov revenues - the public sector is huge. They have "no" private schools, hospitals, roads, name it. The public sector is biggest employer. They provide free social services to everyone - not just the poor - the president will take his kids to nearest public school and go to the nearest hospital. The country is equally developed - there are no gated communities for the super rich. The private sector exists and thrives - because the gov facilitate - their work - the roads are great, the rails work, business works.

If you got to North Korea and few such remaining communist state like Ethiopia - you'll find that public sector is 100% - and private sector is zero. There is nothing private there. Everything is owned by gov. Instead of private companies - it either one or many parastals. Ethiopia for example doesn't allow private commercial banks, telecommunications and many other sectors....and they've open up a lot. Previously it was North Korea.

US, South Africa, Kenya are capitalist states. Tax to GDP ratios are 20-25%. That mean public sector is about 1/4 - while 3/4 is private sector. That means private schools, hospitals, name it are preffered because public sector is underfunded. That mean social services are nothing more than social safety net. It's not a way of life like in social states. It means gov will only assist you if you're poor. If you're not poor, you don't expect anything from gov, you basically arrange your schools, hospital, security, pay toll fees for roads, - and gov doesn't really bother with rich or middle class people.

The best countries in the world are without doubt socialist states. But there is of course causality and causation. These social states are very tiny homogenous nations. Can you scale social model to say China or India or US or Brazil without destroying the market economies that create wealth and fight poverty in big scale.

In my view - when a country has become developed or stuck a natural resource jackpot- it can afford to go socialist route. While developing it's best to let the magic of capitalism create wealth and create a social safety net for the poor.

Once poverty is history - you can move to equal happy society with little in crime or tension.

- no government is pure capitalist, socialist or even communist anymore so yes I agree

- Nordic countries do have private schools and hospitals however those sectors are tiny..... But they do have them, and it is allowed, hence I would place these countries as democratic socialist states.... Also as you said socialism only really works in small and very transparent countries!

- Socialism is not dictated by tax revenue, everything about the South African economic stracture points towards democratic socialism... Large SOEs, High tax rates(especially for high income earners), Well fare, minimum wage ect ect
Also South Africa's tax revenue is higher than Switzerland at 28%

- socialism only works in a very accountable, transparent and Small countries.....

Ultimately all countries or societies are grappling with how to create prosperous yet equal societies in an environment of scare resources. We know free market economies as exposed by capitalist societies will create more wealth but also more inequalities. We know communist societies, as Ideal as it its, is unnatural, requires a lot of coercion and eventually bread laziness and poverty.

Gov has many tools including coercion of course but I think tax policy is the most ideal for re-distributing the wealth in such a way it also doesn't discourage hard-work and innovation. And of course dealing with public sector inherent inefficiencies as compared to profit-driven private sector - without even factoring corruption - is what most of time makes nonsense of gov attempt to re-distribute wealth. More often than not - taxes end up wasted in public sector administrative issues - and therefore future really is probably for gov - to just wire the money directly to poor people in some form of Guaranteed Minimum Wage or Universal Basic Income.

jln115:
- no government is pure capitalist, socialist or even communist anymore so yes I agree

- Nordic countries do have private schools and hospitals however those sectors are tiny..... But they do have them, and it is allowed, hence I would place these countries as democratic socialist states.... Also as you said socialism only really works in small and very transparent countries!

- Socialism is not dictated by tax revenue, everything about the South African economic stracture points towards democratic socialism... Large SOEs, High tax rates(especially for high income earners), Well fare, minimum wage ect ect
Also South Africa's tax revenue is higher than Switzerland at 28%

- socialism only works in a very accountable, transparent and Small countries.....

Niamey Niger is also little paris
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vaxx:
Accra remain the little London.....

rvp2018:
Ultimately all countries or societies are grappling with how to create prosperous yet equal societies in an environment of scare resources. We know free market economies as exposed by capitalist societies will create more wealth but also more inequalities. We know communist societies, as Ideal as it its, is unnatural, requires a lot of coercion and eventually bread laziness and poverty.

Gov has many tools including coercion of course but I think tax policy is the most ideal for re-distributing the wealth in such a way it also doesn't discourage hard-work and innovation. And of course dealing with public sector inherent inefficiencies as compared to profit-driven private sector - without even factoring corruption - is what most of time makes nonsense of gov attempt to re-distribute wealth. More often than not - taxes end up wasted in public sector administrative issues - and therefore future really is probably for gov - to just wire the money directly to poor people in some form of Guaranteed Minimum Wage or Universal Basic Income.

I would say capitalism creates more equality than socialism and communism imo....

Rest of your post I agree with

Saddamochieng00:
@kikuyu1 I just saw this. I think it dates back two weeks ago. Who do this people think they are. Just because they are Gods "chosen people" makes them think they can get away with all their atrocities. Always bringing up the holocaust to justify their actions.

Last thing we need to revisit this term "anti-Semite". Cause it seems that's all these dickheads know whenever they're confronted.

These people are morally and mentally fecked! That CHOSENITE delusion feeds into their behaviour justifying all their BS. Rmbr also they're Original Neanderthal Caucasians whose tendencies we've discussed so in a way they're acting out of genetic impulses.

kikuyu1:
These people are morally and mentally fecked! That CHOSENITE delusion feeds into their behaviour justifying all their BS. Rmbr also they're Original Neanderthal Caucasians whose tendencies we've discussed so in a way they're acting out of genetic impulses.

Some would say we're unfair or racist but how comes all this stuff we talk about in here is done my mostly one race. From the pedophile sex rings, satanic ritual abuse, genocides, mass shootings, homosexuality, transsexualism, cannibalism, satanism....and the list goes on.

It has to be in the genes. And they know it.

rvp2018:
All countries in the world - with a modern gov are socialist or communist by nature. That is whole point of having a gov. There is no gov that doesn't have some social services - at least nearly all provide schools, hospitals and basic social services.

Now what therefore distinguish btw communist, socialist and capitalist states or nation - is the % - it a spectrum.

The social states like Norway, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark - have huge public sector - and taxes heavily - nearly 50% of GDP is gov revenues - the public sector is huge. They have "no" private schools, hospitals, roads, name it. The public sector is biggest employer. They provide free social services to everyone - not just the poor - the president will take his kids to nearest public school and go to the nearest hospital. The country is equally developed - there are no gated communities for the super rich. The private sector exists and thrives - because the gov facilitate - their work - the roads are great, the rails work, business works.

If you got to North Korea and few such remaining communist state like Ethiopia - you'll find that public sector is 100% - and private sector is zero. There is nothing private there. Everything is owned by gov. Instead of private companies - it either one or many parastals. Ethiopia for example doesn't allow private commercial banks, telecommunications and many other sectors....and they've open up a lot. Previously it was North Korea.

US, South Africa, Kenya are capitalist states. Tax to GDP ratios are 20-25%. That mean public sector is about 1/4 - while 3/4 is private sector. That means private schools, hospitals, name it are preffered because public sector is underfunded. That mean social services are nothing more than social safety net. It's not a way of life like in social states. It means gov will only assist you if you're poor. If you're not poor, you don't expect anything from gov, you basically arrange your schools, hospital, security, pay toll fees for roads, - and gov doesn't really bother with rich or middle class people.

The best countries in the world are without doubt socialist states. But there is of course causality and causation. These social states are very tiny homogenous nations. Can you scale social model to say China or India or US or Brazil without destroying the market economies that create wealth and fight poverty in big scale.

In my view - when a country has become developed or stuck a natural resource jackpot- it can afford to go socialist route. While developing it's best to let the magic of capitalism create wealth and create a social safety net for the poor.

Once poverty is history - you can move to equal happy society with little in crime or tension.

There are ofc very REAL drawbacks to the high taxation. In Scandi you pay Serena Hotel prices for a beer!

This statistic shows the cost of beer in the capitals of selected Nordic countries in 2017. [b]Beer was the most expensive in Oslo, Norway, where one pint or a 500 ml beer came with an average price of approximately 10 U.S. dollars. [/b]In the rest of the surveyed Nordic countries, the average cost of beer did not exceed 7 U.S. dollars.

[url][https://www.statista.com/statistics/706433/average-cost-of-beer-in-the-capitals-of-nordic-countries/url]

Saddamochieng00:
Some would say we're unfair or racist but how comes all this stuff we talk about in here is done my mostly one race. From the pedophile sex rings, satanic ritual abuse, genocides, mass shootings, homosexuality, transsexualism, cannibalism, satanism....and the list goes on.

It has to be in the genes. And they know it.

That's why they PROJECT with such determination!

But what does projection actually mean in this sense? According to Karen R. Koenig, M.Ed, LCSW, projection refers to unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don’t like about yourself and attributing them to someone else.

[url][https://www.healthline.com/health/projection-psychologyurl]

Who made a career screeching and yelping of the Rwanda genocide, Idi Amin, etc, etc when reminded of his peoples HISTORY of depopulation, mass resource theft and slavery? He even brought out WHITE inventions like mfecane,rmbr?

Well most Europe is like that. You pay expensively for everything but you pay zero for your kids at school until they are done with education. In US - most adult still carry college education loans. You also pay very little for hospital - US medical care will bankrupt you. The roads and public utilities are also topnotch unlike the US that is broken down. And most importantly - you don't live in great fear of poor people - trying to steal, rape and murder you. All people - poor - rich - go to the same schools - and live almost harmoniously - and there are no rich or poor areas - there is no classism.

Heck people are back to communist china - with everyone ridding their bicycle - but this time - not because they cannot afford the car - but because people care about environment - and others.

kikuyu1:
There are ofc very REAL drawbacks to the high taxation. In Scandi you pay Serena Hotel prices for a beer!


[url][https://www.statista.com/statistics/706433/average-cost-of-beer-in-the-capitals-of-nordic-countries/url]

kikuyu1:
These people are morally and mentally fecked! That CHOSENITE delusion feeds into their behaviour justifying all their BS. Rmbr also they're Original Neanderthal Caucasians whose tendencies we've discussed so in a way they're acting out of genetic impulses.

SMH.............

Saddamochieng00:
Some would say we're unfair or racist but how comes all this stuff we talk about in here is done my mostly one race. From the pedophile sex rings, satanic ritual abuse, genocides, mass shootings, homosexuality, transsexualism, cannibalism, satanism....and the list goes on.

It has to be in the genes. And they know it.

Wagalla Massacre, Isiolo Massacre, Garissa Massacre, Westgate mall, Garissa University College attack............This is just in Kenya?? must I go on?

kikuyu1:
That's why they PROJECT with such determination!


[url][https://www.healthline.com/health/projection-psychologyurl]

Who made a career screeching and yelping of the Rwanda genocide, Idi Amin, etc, etc when reminded of his peoples HISTORY of depopulation, mass resource theft and slavery? He even brought out WHITE inventions like mfecane,rmbr?

LOL just say it's made up In that case all bad things done by white people are BLACK inventions See easy!!!

Seems like there is some sort of limit on amount of pics one is able to post per day, I was locked out for a few days, anyways it's sorted.
Back to more pics of SA.

Joburg

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No unsightly electricity reticulation on rickety poles in Joburg.
Smaller electric cables have already been buried since the 60's. Only high voltage cables remain over-ground and they are are placed in well-planned corridors.

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Namibian desert green after heavy rain.

Very tiny. Sandton business district.

Randlord:
Sandton Horizon | LIVING IN THE SKY


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rvp20182:
Very tiny. Sandton business district.

That tiny Sandton holds more wealth than Nairobi

SA has several large cities - Now we move to SA's 2nd largest city - Cape Town

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jln115:
That tiny Sandton holds more wealth than Nairobi

The stock exchange?

Soweto, dry

Water and greenery inequality

3rd largest city in SA - Durban

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SA's 3rd largest city

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O/T but still relevant. Since the election steal the world has been in unchartered geopolitical territory.

Huge blasts on Afghanistan-Iran border spotted from space
At least 60 injured in explosions at Islam Qala crossing that consumed 500 natural gas and fuel trucks

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/huge-blaze-on-afghanistan-iran-border-spotted-from-space/url]

STUNNING ADMISSION' Pentagon admits it has been testing wreckage from UFO crashes & findings may ‘change our lives forever,’ expert says

[url][/www.the-sun.com/news/2321251/pentagon-admits-testing-wreckage-ufo-crashes/]

Russia is ready to sever ties with the EU if the bloc imposes new, economically painful sanctions, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says

[url][www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56039075url]

What you generally find with a crisis like this [Covid-19], which becomes an economic crisis, is that it then undermines the security and stability situation as well. And what often follows a very significant economic event is a security challenge. If you look at the Thirties, that started as a very significant economic crash and that acted as a very destabilizing feature.”

[url]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/12/general-sir-nick-carter-interview-joining-fight-against-covid//url]

Lets add it all up: the still unresolved election, the inexplicable Texas snowstorm which may be weather warfare, Russia FM warning of potential war with the EU, Britain top general warning of the same....
Guys, we're in INTERESTING times!

osystein:
Soweto, dry

Water and greenery inequality

Looks like upper class Nigeria

All of SA's cities are great with an outdoor lifestyle

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