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Let him not start what he cannot finish, it is better to cancel the wedding now than to b seeking divorce later.

Male or female ?

This is pure fact! No region can survice what we the southeasterners hv been passing thru in the name of one Nigeria but time will tell

If other people only bear more kids with the idea of subduing or dominating, is that not evil?

Jesus Christ condemned polygamy and there are Muslims who don't prescribe to the idea of polygamy.

Mark 10:6
"But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his WIFE (not wives); they shall become ONE FLESH. "

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"

Those men of old were not perfect, including Adam and Eve. That was why Jesus Christ had to come to correct a lot of anomalies.

Adam was not given two women or more. He was given just one. Did you ever ask why it was so?

Marriage is more spiritual than any other institution God had made by Himself. So, you don't use human wisdom to calculate the mathematics of marriage. Impossible.

The devil is the enemy of Godly marriages and Christian homes, and he uses adultery and polygamy as potent tools to want to destroy it by all means.

In those days and now in our time, people practice polygamy because of their selfish gains and lusts...and some others because of their barren wife. Sarah, Rachel, Hannah were barren, bit still gave them children at the appointed time.

The law of (and for) polygamy is an imperfect law by human ideology. If you want more children, your wife is capable. God made it so. You can't fill the earth in one generation. It's in succession.

Who killed Lamech the first polygamist? His son! Why are there still troubles here and there, insurgencies, especially in Arab world? Effect of Abraham's error - polygamy. Say no to polygamy if you want peace.

Oh ladies, pls say yes early to that young man who wants to marry you.

The windows can still remarry to their widowers counterpart or other single men.

The current ratio of men to women is higher than the former women to men. There are more men than women on earth. Google it and see.

Let me pause.

Go back to creation...God created one woman as help meet...

Then go to the lives of those who engaged in polygamy and check their marital ends..

Abraham chased away Haggai in the end...

Jacob who married Two sisters got into trouble because one the wives was idolater( she stole idol from her home).
David who engaged in such had his children coursed that only the child of concubine succeeded him.

Solomon had his heart turned against God through his numerous wives..

ELKANANNAH ,The husband of Hannah exposed his wife Hanna to agony of rivalry through his second wife..you will know this through the song hanah sang after birth...

Just to mention few....

The end of such act is disastrous...

Even If the husband claim to be loving both equally, the wives won't...

And The home is perennially a battle Field...

Childlessness is never a prerequisite for such...

Because marriage is for purpose. Child birth is jara to the marriage not Profits.. Its an heritage...

Polygamy may not actually be sinful but the outcome of such brings sinful characters which leads to hell ( hatred and jealousy)

Polygamy is never a controversial issue in Christianity. Those who seek a perfect walk with the lord knows their stand.

For the true believers, it is not an issue of whether Polygamy is a sin or not, but how does it influence my walk with God. The bible gives us knowledge on how polygamy affected the lives of many great believers.

See people's reactions and counter comment below

It is you that should be very careful what polygamous error you are selling to the world.If you like quote from Genesis to Revelation, you are only quoting to support the mess that many so-called believers indulge in.
Didn't you hear from Jesus horses' mouth when He said, �

"The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry".
Matthew :19:3-10

In all this, he didn't infer 'wives' but 'wife'.
Showing them that they had to go back to how it was in the beginning.
Please stop perverting the Bible to suit the world. That is the kind of preaching some New Age preachers are churning out.

For your information, true and old-time Christianity came to reset both the religious and traditional beliefs contrary to what Christ came to amend.
� Children born in such families have no cause for alarm, it is their parents (the man and the second wives etc) have case to answer.

POLYGAMY! POLYGAMY!! POLYGAMY!!!
You will all agree with me that one of the most controversial word in Christiandom today is *POLYGAMY*

Are you a religious scholar? a Pastor? a Theologian? a born again Christian?.......? Please , feel free to constructively contribute, castigate, correct, admonished, advice, preach........in accordance with the provisions of the Holy Bible (the word of God)

Before I go further, I will like you to have the following questions at the back of your minds.

1). Who was the first person to engage in the act of POLYGAMY?

2). Is POLYGAMY a sin?

3). Did God condemn POLYGAMY?

4). Those that engaged in POLYGAMY, are they in Hell?

5). What is the fate of the polygamous Children?

6). Is marriage a traditional act or religious act?

7). Why do Christians condemn POLYGAMY?

. What are the effects of POLYGAMY in Christiandom?

9). Has God changed?

*GEAR 1*
Lamech was the first man to marry more than one wife, Gen 4:19

*GEAR 2*
Godly/Holy persons that engaged in POLYGAMY according to the Bible included
*Abdon*, Judges 12:13-14; *Abijah*, 2 Chronicles 13-21; *Abraham*, Gen 16-1-3, Gen 25:1; *Ahab*, 1 kings 20:1-3; *Ahaseurus*, Esther 1:9, *Ashur*, 1 Chronicles 4:5, *Belshazzar,* Daniel 5:2, *Ben-Hadad* (who married Ahab's wives), *Caleb,* 1 Chronicles 2:18-19, *David* (had 8wives), 1 Samuel 18:27, 25:39, 25:42, 2 Samuel 3:5, 5:13, 12:7-8, 12:24. *Eliphaz*, Gen 36:11-12. *Elkanah*, 1 Samuel 1:1-2
*Esau*, Gen 26:34
Ezra, 4:17-18; *Gideon*, Judges 8:30....and many more.

We had not fewer than 40 Godly and ungodly men that engaged in POLYGAMY from the Bible. Also, we had not less than 43 POLYGAMY cases from the Bible.

*GEAR 3*
Had God condemned POLYGAMY?
*No! God NEVER did* In all the POLYGAMY cases mentioned in the Bible, God did not condemn any axcept David who snatched Uriah's wife. God said to David ' in 2 Samuel 12:8; *I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more."*
Why did God himself say so to David?

*GEAR 4*
Is POLYGAMY a sin?
Those that engage in POLYGAMY are they in hell?
Is Abraham in hell? (Luke 16:19-31)
Is Jacob in hell?
Is David, Solomon, Elkanah, Ezra.....@all, in hell?

*GEAR 5*
Does God permit POLYGAMY? *The answer of course is Yes!* In Genesis 21:10, God said *If he (man) marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights*. In 2 Samuel 12:8. God Himself said to David ,"...I gave your master Wives,........if you need more, I would have given you"

*GEAR 6*
What is the fate of the polygamous children? Condemned or
Favoured?
Why was Joseph, Samuel, Solomon.... Highly favoured?

*GEAR 7*.
Before religion there was marriage.
Gen 1:26-28, Gen 2:18-25

The issue of Monogamy was purely *the tradition of the western world whom were our religious colonial masters. In the land of the White, traditionally, rivalry is a taboo*. But the Jews (Israelites) and the Edomites (the blacks) shares the same tradition. A widow is not allowed to be seen in the Street, but be remarried to their husbands relatives or friends, Gen 38.

*GEAR 8*
Why do Christians condemned POLYGAMY?
The new testament completely responded seamlessly on POLYGAMY matters. The new testament talks about every expect of Christian living except POLYGAMY. Mathew 19:3-9, Jesus spoke about God initial plan for man. He condemned divorce but did not condemned POLYGAMY. Paul admonishment to Timothy on how to elect Church leadership, just like the case of levites of old (Moses...), 1 Timothy 3. The point of contention here is, If there were no men with more than a wife in the Church, Paul Won't have mentioned it. Also in 1 Corinthians 7:39.

*GEAR 9*
Effects of POLYGAMY:
POLYGAMY has it merits and demerits in the society and Christiandom at large.
1). In the Society, the Maternal Mortality rate is high in the female folks compared to men. The number of girls birth rate is higher than that of men, and the number of men dead rate is higher than that of women. The number of widows keep increasing geometry adding up to the number of single women in the society.
This leads to increase of infidelity, adultery, formication in the society compared to the days of our forefathers. So pathetic now adays to see our single girls fighting with widows for the ownerships of a guy.

2). Religiously, the so-called MONOGAMY has cause more harm than good in Christian-dom. God says in Gen 1:28 'God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground'. But what do we have today? Christians going into family planning. The Israelites lived 430yrs only in Egypt, but Pharaoh became scared because of their rapid growth in population. I can't imaging if they were practicing Family planning and Monogamy.

IBB introduced family planning to Nigeria with a maximum of 3 children to a couple and, was widely embraced mostly by Christians, that is 3 children to a couple but, Muslim being naturally a polygamy has an average 2 to 5 wives to a man, meaning 20 children to a family. This have invariably led to increase in population of Muslim far above their Christian counterpart in Nigeria (60% / 40%).
Looking critically, Nigeria is trailing the path of Turkey and North Sudan.....

Turkey(the biblical Antioch) was a Christian nation overtaken by Muslim because of falsehood of Christian priest.
b.) Very soon Our children, particularly daughters (that we are trying to protect today) will be used as sex slaves because monogamy denied them an opportunity to marry.
C.) There are millions of stranded women in the South and, may not likely get an husband forever because of argument against polygamy; whereas hardly can a women be stranded in the North; thanks to polygamy..

GEAR 10
Has God Change?
God of Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, .....the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, is the beginning and the end, the Alfa and Omega, He is the same yesterday, today and for ever; has not change.

CONCLUSION
What is the way out?
Christians don't be "Paul when he was Saul'
Pastors, be careful what you preach on the pulpit about POLYGAMY as what you preach, instead of becoming light, rather, it is destroying Christianity
Hosea 4:6, 4:6 my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.

*HE WHO HAS AN EARS, LET HIM HEAR*

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Nigeria: Cry my beloved country!
- by Jide Osuntokun

These are the worst of times for Nigeria. Nigerians are being arrested in Los Angeles and New Jersey, United States for advanced fees fraud, impersonation and credit card fraud and for what is now generally called “Nigerian scams”. When other people commit these crimes, they are charged for committing “Nigerian scam”. We have now gone into legal history as giving name to a particular kind of crime. Tens of our people are being beheaded in Saudi Arabia for drugs peddling. The American FBI is looking for almost a hundred Nigerians for fraud. One of our country men even appeared on an ABC television network confessing his crimes and tearfully telling Americans how to identify “Nigerian scams”. Tens of our nationals are awaiting executions in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Vietnam. Some are in Laos and Cambodia for one crime or the other deserving capital punishment. What the hell for goodness sake are Nigerians doing in Laos and Cambodia? I mean it’s a long way to Tipperary! Other Nigerians are being killed in South Africa for drugs peddling. Chinese and Russian jails are also full of them for one infraction or the other of their laws. Some years ago, they were brawling on the streets of a Chinese town until they were beaten to surrender by some burley Chinese constabulary.

It seems wherever they go, they are followed by their criminal reputation. Genuine business people cannot transact business without being suspected of fraud. When our people particularly the young people have successfully conned an unsuspecting victim, they spend the money on frivolities like huge marriage celebrations, cars, hotels and on hedonistic life styles and prostitution. They even not only spray our national currency which they march under their feet, they also spray dollars, euros and pounds sterling. And for these they are prepared to ruin themselves and ruin the image of our country and even to commit hara kiri because anybody caught with hard drugs in most parts of Asia and the Middle East is likely to be sentenced to death. Yet with wide opened eyes our people go to these places hoping they will not be caught. Our greed is what is killing our young people. There is of course unemployment at home but the fact is that many of our young people are not ready to do the work that is available. They go to universities to avoid hard work or not to work at all. Even those who have jobs want to make it big by illegal and criminal ways. Why will a bank manager for example, resign his job to emigrate abroad where there is no certainty of a job but to join criminal gangs to defraud the system of the country he or she is going to? There is no Eldorado anywhere. There is no crown without thorns! This is the truth. A man who is a bank manager resigns and goes abroad only to wash dead bodies in the mortuary! Our young people must be realistic. I once participated in an interview panel for young recruits into an industry. When a young girl was asked what her goal in life was, she retorted that she wanted to “live large”. I had never heard the expression before. She was thanked for coming and asked to go and live large. I hope she has learned a lesson and would moderate her life expectations.

Young people tend to blame us the older generation for having spoiled the country for them by our criminal indulgence in corruption, squander mania, mismanagement, lack of focus general insecurity and planlessness. I plead guilty to all these charges of generational crimes. But I must say that this country has produced in the past world class scholars, international civil servants and administrators, jurists and distinguished medical scientists. Where we have failed is getting the right kind of political leadership and right helmsman at the critical juncture of national development. We were never able to find a leader who could cut through the miasma of tribal divisions and antagonism and chart a brilliant course of national integration for all round development. Poverty knows no tribe and prosperity also knows no tribe. Americans always say their favourite colour is green that’s the colour of the dollar. If Nigeria was prosperous, who will care what tribe the man at the top of government belongs to? I feel really ashamed that I am a citizen of a country that earned almost a trillion dollars from oil and gas over the years and we have nothing to show for it. No light. No potable water. No motor-able roads. Hospitals are “mere consulting clinics “No schools and 30 percent of school aged children are roaming about the streets as almajiris and hawkers of all kinds of goods. We do not have comfortable means of transportation or communication. All the appurtenances of modern civilization are missing. Some of our leaders troop to England, Dubai and Abu Dhabi to invest stolen money .We build mansions that become useless even while we are alive and in any case our children will not be able to maintain them when we are gone and if they want to sell them there will be no buyers because they will be old fashioned by then. What we have built will become useless at the end and all we have accumulated primitively will become a manifestation of vanity.

Vanity upon vanity is all vanity, said king Solomon in his Ecclesiastical discourses.


If my generation has failed the country and our greedy youth has ruined the image of the country that the older generation built, shouldn’t we all start all over again and make hay while the sun still shines? Or are we going to throw up our hands and wait for Armageddon or the inevitable revolution?

The signs of revolution are all over the place, we can no longer move from one city to another without the fear of being kidnapped. We can’t sleep with our two eyes closed. I arrived last week from London and my luggage was instantly stolen. Foreign investors except for intrepid Chinese and Indians, who are ripping us off, have stopped coming to our country. We must do something to rescue this land of our forefathers. It seems to me that we must prepare the next generation by teaching them how to behave right from home to primary and secondary schools. Cheating at entrance examinations must be severely punished. Parents indulging in it must be publicly disgraced. We also must try and begin a campaign of moral rearmament and ethical revolution in our regular civic and religious lives. The church and the mosque must be engaged and charlatans masquerading as men of God must be forced out of their disguise. The government must mobilize the country for development. All young people roaming about the cities must be taken away to state farms and agricultural settlements to be built by all state governments. Annual budgets without any appreciable change in our lives must give way to physical changes. This country needs to be transformed like China was after 1949 and even Vietnam in recent times. Within living memory, we have seen the transformation of Malaysia and Singapore with which we shared common colonial history. There is presumably nothing wrong with us as a race. We just must get out of this rot. We cannot continue like this.

The reason why our young people have taken to crime both at home and abroad is that they think crimes pay. This is why we must approach punishment after crimes with full speed of the law. Punishment must be sure and swift whether crimes committed by herders, kidnappers, armed robbers, economic criminals and economic saboteurs damaging gas and petroleum pipelines. The spate of crimes committed at home and abroad indicates that our chickens have come home to roost and our cup is full. We must face our responsibility and take whatever measure that is necessary to stamp out all these criminal tendencies of our people. No one is born a criminal it is our degraded society that has made us criminals. We must therefore purify this evil society. Our legal system that allows criminals to exploit legal technicalities to avoid judgement and justice is not a worthy and worthwhile legal system. It must be thrown away. Recently a British court fined us $9.6 billion to be paid to so-called Irish investors who never dug the foundation of their so-called gas liquefaction complex in Calabar and then turns up to say because Nigeria failed to deliver gas to a non-existent gas factory, it lost imaginary profits for 20 years. The deal ab initio was a product of Nigerian corruption and lack of patriotism and coordination.

But what is most galling is that a Nigerian lawyer sat on the panel of arbitrators. What kind of legal system would condone this kind of fraud? We need whole sale judicial review in this country and Nigerian lawyers need to be more patriotic and less corrupt. Money is not everything. We brought nothing to this world and we shall not take anything with us when we depart it.

Our cup is indeed full and we must change the course of our journey as a nation so that we don’t hit the rocks of the inevitable cascade into an abyss of no return.

The recent situation of our much abused and despised people in South Africa, even though the involvement of many of them in drug dealing , prostitution and gang violence in which Nigerians are killing Nigerians in a foreign country, calls for close scrutiny of the kind of Nigerian migrants invading other people’s homelands. We must be frank with ourselves. I don’t like hearing we helped to end apartheid in South Africa. So what? Does that give us the right to invade another country with drugs? Our support for liberation of Southern Africa was based on enlightened self-interest of wanting to wipe out the blemish on and the humiliation of all black people on account of their colour which was what apartheid represented. Helping people in Southern Africa, in which I was personally involved, amounted to a second liberation of Nigeria from racism. There are Nigerian doctors, lawyers, professors, engineers and others making useful contributions in South Africa and they are not being molested. We must bring home our flotsam and jetsam and other deplorables ruining our image in South Africa. Must everybody be a trader? Enough is enough. Our humiliation in South Africa is part of the failure of our governments over the years that earned money and failed to industrialize the country and provide jobs for its teeming population. Enough of this voluntary second slave trade. We need introspection and soul searching to find solutions to what is wrong with Nigeria.

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Mr poster u made mention of IGBOs playing victim and always giving half baked history and that u just did. You made ur insightful point nd stopped , if i may ask has u device gone off? With regards 2 Igbo heading most ministries; did ur history not tell they were the most qualified? you are just an ethnic bigot looking 4 cheap excuses but let me remind u that even before almagamation igbos were over evry part of the country going about their businesses nd developing regions and if u must know Nigeria as a country needs igbo tribe morethan anything because of their high spirit of oneness unlike other tribe ? is only Igbo tribe that put the country's interest before their regional interest and if i may ask is Nigeria of early sixties in anyway comparable to today's Nigeria? How about the then unitary system and today's oligargy ? u will know the consequence pushing when they are no more there

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MetaPhysical:
Guy, stop mixing Yoruba and Igbo in discussion about history. This your attachee is to find a credible past for Igbo. Igbo has never had a civilization. We cant see anything of a civilized past in Igbo. Stop attaching them to us. Let Igbo speak for its own civilization without a mention of Yoruba.

In fact you should be attaching to Igala, not Yoruba.

Bastardized tribal bigot blabbing nonsense
How on earth is yoruba people comparable to igbo's in anything in this world

First and foremost i want to commend Mr. Dele's concern about our Country and i took my time to read because i have always love to read any article by dele because his words construction is superb and for the shortman devil VP he got what he deserved. He ignored his faith, disgraced his noble profession just to satisfy his fulani masters thinking they will appreciate or even compesate him. No doubt he is supposedly a use to be good man but he is a coward and that is why he is been abused like this. Himself nd Tinubu inflicted Nigeria with this Buhari wrath just for their selfish reason and today we are they ? Come 2023 power is still going back to North and they it will be clearer to them how they were been used.

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