stagger:


He did not write. He spoke in a video.

You see what I am talking about? You probably did not even watch that video yourself to get informed on the issues causing this debate. Now you say he "wrote"! Wrote where?

Which video? You're funny. The video was only a reply to pastor ibiyeomie. The initial post was just a write up with scriptural backings.
You're obviously not informed!

It's obvious people don't use their brains... Anyone that supports this pastor is just being unreasonable.
What's wrong in what freeze wrote?

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Pastor worshippers full this thread
Everything freeze said is in the bible yet people are dragging him...funny!

If you say freeze is wrong this time, then you're simply saying the bible is wrong.

Righteousness89:
See How Foolish and Stupid devil turns the image of God to..

See that one with Calabash. They Have Succeeded in Calabashing their Destinies..

Engaging in Fraud under any Guise is Evil!
It is Wickedness!
It's an Acquisition of Curses For yourself, Children and Unborn Generation..

Come out From among such Wickedness and Make Peace with God Almighty..

If and only if they follow the ways of their father.

The man dey give am hot hot, I swear I've been there before. My ex was fucking her pastor...Oh mj thunder fire u.

Obinnau:
Don't judge them until you leave.
Abroad no be the same as Naija. Too much responsibilities and no time for flimsy exchange of chats

oga no one is too busy! Be it in the USA or Nigeria.

Chai even Blord follow... Na wa. May God help them

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ERockson:
This woman is carrying curses

Which curse?
I laff u
Better wake up

sonofthunder:

Can't you see how you keep tripping yourself, already mixing up the religious and cultural laws or how did you count up to over 600 laws? I'm just wasting my time here. Cherry on.

It's obvious you don't read your bible in context!

Btw, it doesn't really matter if the laws are 10 or a million in number, for the fact that you're obeying the law of tithe, u should do the same for the rest lest you attract a curse.

If you like keep whining... most of us here understand your kind.

You can rest now!

sonofthunder:

Go back to the previous mention. Our discussion has been straight forward so far.

Straightforward from where to where?

If you can keep the whole 613 laws, then it's okay to pay tithe. If you can't keep all 613 laws then paying tithe attracts a curse. Please read Galatians 3 vs 10-11

Christ has set you free, dont be entangled again with the yoke of bondage.... see Galatians 5 vs 1-4

I'm not saying you can't give if you want to, you can but please don't call it tithe.

Tithe has nothing to do with Christianity.
Christ never paid or collected tithe.

sonofthunder:

You are sidestepping away from the point.

What's the point sir?

sonofthunder:

Hence we may now commit adultery, lie and kill.

Ask yourself... Is that what Christ would do?

Kobojunkie:
We live as Jesus Christ lived..it is His example that His followers follow after all our ultimate goal is to become like Jesus Christ.
So since He did not tithe and He never commanded it of us, it makes absolutely good sense not to.

Thank you for this sir

sonofthunder:

And the first question?

The old laws are in the old testament, which has already been fulfilled and no longer binding.
Christians are the followers of Christ, and thus not under the old law but should live the Christlike life.

sonofthunder:

And what are the rest of this "old law" or is tithing the only old law and Christ could not mention it? Where did Jesus specify that it was the "old law" he was to fulfill?

He said so in Matthew 5:17

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

alBHAGDADI:


Are you daft? You expect the creator to pay tithe? Do you know what it means to be a creator?

Don't be unfortunate!
I'm only asking questions not quarreling with u.
If you can't answer simply ignore.

If Jesus paid tithe, it would've been mentioned.
Someone said he can't pay tithe to Himself because He is God.
Is tithe paying included in the teachings of Jesus?

sonofthunder:

Show me where Jesus instructed his followers not to pay tithe or keep quite.

He did not instruct his followers not to pay tithe but He said He came to fulfil the old law, of which tithing was one of them. What does it mean to fulfil something?

Rom.10.4 - For Christ is THE END OF THE LAW for righteousness to EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES.

alBHAGDADI:


He was praying to God the Father. Jesus had no need to tithe because he created everything

So why didn't He pay tithe to God the Father, since He prays to Him.

alBHAGDADI:


The question should be is Jesus Christ God to you?

If yes, then why should God pay tithe to himself?

So all the times Jesus was praying, He was praying to Himself.

Youngzedd:



TITHING DEMYSTIFIED

OLD COVENANT

There are 3 types of tithing.

1) Tithe of the feast: This tithe is for your consumption and you do it every first and second year.
Deuteronomy 14:22-26 explains it all.

2) Levitcal tithe: This tithe is what you give to the Levite (only to the descendants of Jacob’s son Levi) in the third year after you have eaten your tithe in the first and second year.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29, Deuteronomy 26:12 and Numbers 18:21- 25 explains it all.

The strict condition here is that you must be the bloodline of Levi to collect tithe. No body else on earth is qualified to collect this tithe apart from those who have the blood of Jacob's son Levi running through their veins. Any other person who collect this is either a criminal or ignorant.

3) Tithe to the needy: In the third year after you have previously eaten your tithe in the first and second year, you're to give the tithe of the third year to the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows.

Levitcal tithe and tithe to the poor is for the third year, that's to say, you share it between the Levites, foreigners, fatherless and widows. It is only meant for this four set of people.

What about Malachi 3:8-10?

Well, God was talking to the Levites and not the Israelites who bring the tithe. Among the Levites, there's a high priest who enters the holiest of holy. Read from Malachi 2:1 to see that God was talking to the Priests (Levites).

The priests (Levites) were playing smart on the tithe they collect from the Israelites.

THE STORE HOUSE

The Levites (priests) were to take out 10% of the tithe they collect from the Israelites and keep in the store house, Numbers 18:25 - 29 explains it, but they stopped doing it, they started making smart move on it and God was angry with them.

They were misbehaving with the tithes they collected, the book of Nehemiah 13:4 - 13 explains it.

NEW COVENANT

In the new covenant, you as a believer is the church (house of Yahuah/God) not a building (2 Corinthians 5:1, Acts 17:24, Acts 7:48, Matthew 24:1-2 and John 4:21-24) and a priest while Yahushua (Christ) is the high priest (Read Hebrew 7).

Because you as a believer is the church, there's no physical store house or temple, you are now the spiritual temple God dwell in, if you are the temple they use to bring their tithes to, then it's you that will consume the tithe not a Pastor or Priest.

In the entire new testament, there's no place Christ or the believers preached, received or collected tithe. Think for a minute, if the new testament is the Christian manual, why is tithing not there and what does that tell you?

C'mon, tithing and first fruit have no place in Christianity. It is what it is.

Tithing is excepting yourself from the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

In the new covenant, the law was fulfilled by Christ and we are no longer under the law. After resurrection of Christ, the law became weak and useless as seen in the Hebrew 7:8-19.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Galatians 3:19-20
Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator,however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

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* Christ is the seed been referred to here.

Colossians 2:17
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
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The 613 laws are shadows until Christ came. Christ fulfilled the law, done and dusted, chapter closed forever. That's why it's now weak and useless.

Hebrews 7:12
For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
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Hebrew 8 vs 13
"By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Galatians 3:10
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”


* If you're to obey the laws in the old testament to be right with God, you're to obey ALL the 613 laws otherwise you're under a curse. Tithing to fulfil what's written in the book of law attracts a curse. Stop tithing, you're bringing a curse to yourself.

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Hebrews 10:9-10
9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Christ once for all.

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He set aside OLD COVENANT found in the old testament to establish the NEW COVENANT found in the new testament.

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2 Corinthians 3:6
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
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* The letter here is the old covenants (laws) while the spirit is the new covenant. Read the whole chapter for better understanding.

Please brothers and sisters, do yourself a favour and read the whole of 2 Corinthians 3. Verse 14 "But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away." is exactly what is happening in Christianity today. The minds of many were made dull.

Never allow any man born of flesh push you to do the things that are now weak and useless.
If Christ and the early Christians didn't do it, I tell you today, don't do it no matter the pressure.

The new testament scriptures are Christian manual, anything not found there shouldn't be a doctrine.

I still remain the son of the TRUTH.

God bless you!

Thank you Op for this post.

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It's normal for it to sit when it's off, it will inflate when the engine is on.