Repentance96: It is but one man's fallible understanding of the life and death of Jesus (as), one man who never met the Blessed Messiah in front of independent witnesses and then gave contradictory accounts of his conversion. One man whose teachings contradict the Gospels as we know it, who argues with the disciples and who parted ways with James and the Early Church.
Yes. In the absence of external (demonic forces) man will be innocent and pure. All babies are born pure in the state of fithra and it is external forces that influence the soul in a negative way. If not for Satan, we wouldn't have sinned. Sin came from a conscious being that challenged the justice of God. We shouldn't lay the blame on Iblis though, we should accept that Adam and Eve sinned after letting their pure natures be tainted with false promises.
In Islam sin is not a state but kufr (rebellion) is. Sin is temporary injustice in the eyes of God. It is not a state we all are in.
Did Allah then not promise to return those who reject satan for Paradise? That is the forgiveness but His Forgiveness does not contradict His Justice, so He promises to put all of us, each and one of us, to the test. The consequence of Adam's sin was removed from Adam (he is returned back to Paradise), but the consequence for all of us were not. This is not due to Adam's sin though (as the Hadith clearly clarifies) - it was a matter predestined.
The Quran does not say that - instead it says that all of us (Muslims) will have to pass through it. This is in reference to the literal bridge over the Fire, as well as the figurative means by which we attain Paradise.
Everything will be destroyed and all souls will taste death, before everything is recreated as a new creation and all souls resurrected. By "everything" I mean everything in this world - where time and space is bound by God's laws of nature. As to Paradise and Hell, they are of the other world where time and space do not function the same way as in this world. For example we believe that all the Prophets (sal) are alive but in their graves. At the same time we believe that they met in heaven. How is that possible? That is because Paradise does not run like our world does. It is not bound by the same laws of nature. Bilal was alive on earth, but the Prophet (Sal) heard his footsteps when he visited the other world. I hope you get it. All angels, Jinn and man will face death again in the Day of Judgement while this world will be transformed to something new.
Only the evil of the evil will dwell eternally in Hell. It is not a wasted effort. It is justice served.
Again why Allah didn't leave Adam and Eve in PARADISE after he forgave them?
As I asked you at the beginning - do not confuse yourself by falsely premising Islamic theology on the phrase "the wages of sin is death". That is a premise in Pauline Philosophy, and it is not found in Judaism and Islam. Unless you are weak in your reasoning skills, you mustn't assume certain statements which you know is not a premise in the argument you are trying to refute. You are denying that death can be passed onto beings free of sin, as if death was the result of sin. What is death, anyway? Does it always have the same meaning? Is it the soul being separated from the body? Is it an everlasting state of no life? Is it the act of losing conciousness? What is it for it to be the wages of sin itself!
He might have known that Adam and Eve will equal him him in sin when he set out to seduce them into sin. God predicted to him that he would succeed anyway.
Come on, did Allah say that He misleaded Iblis? It was Iblis saying that. He was the first one to bring up the argument of determinism vs freewill. Iblis thought that he cannot bow down because Allah designed him that way. This is wrong and false and dangerous to think. This is the crown of Atheism and the Rebellion against God. Denying freedom of choice is disbelief in God.
Adam on the other hand fully acknowledges his freedom of choice and thus repents and his repentance is accepted.
Everyone will face death. Those who follow Iblis will then be thrown into a state between life and death in the Fire. Those who reject Iblis will be rewarded with eternal life in both spirit and flesh.
You are very shallow in your understanding.
I can't believe that you are asking this question. Adam and Eve will enjoy eternal life in Paradise while Iblis will enjoy tormenting himself and his followers in Hell forever and ever.
What do you think "destroying" means? Cannot Allah destroy everyone and create them in new forms in a new creation before the Day of Judgement?
Original sin is debunked in the very same hadith. It is not a sin that lead us to earth, it is the plan and decision of God. Earth is not our permanent home, it is only a testing ground. This life is not eternal. Allah created us from earth, for earth but when we are returned to him we will be as a new creation.
Everything? Disobedience? Where does Iblis come into the picture then? So according to Paul Adam is in hell?
Christians themselves differ as to whether or not Original Sin is a true concept, and what exactly it is. You cannot deny this
Yes. Adam and Eve was promised eternal life after they repented. But for us, their children, we have to prove ourselves on earth.
I think you are not aware that Adam and Eve repented only AFTER they came to earth. Their repentance was accepted because they blamed themselves. So yes the consequences of their sin was eliminated and transformed by their repentance. Sin is not inherited (no son will carry the burden of his father), but the consequences of sin can. We are still born in state of purity and this belief contradicts the mainstream understanding of Original Sin.
The beasts of the earth were - for example dinosaurs. The angels saw how evolution involved a lot of bloodshed - that's one possible reason why they questioned God (God allowed them to).
I mean that their weren't any other possible objects of worship - so no risk of shirk even if they had free will.
No. Bowing down was not considered an act of worship when done under the command of the God being worshipped.
We do works in obedience to God.
That's why Iblis didn't bow. The angels accepted that God knew better than them, so when He says to bow they all bowed. Iblis meanwhile acts as the champion of the Rebellious (atheists and their likes). He used his God given sense of rationality, forgetting that it was the same Creator asking him to bow down, to argue that what was being asked was unjust and illogical.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Allah Misled Satan (iblis) According To This Surah! by sawsaw(m): 11:26am On Oct 06, 2015
