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Android17:
Can somebody who understands English explain to this person I am responding to that I never said forgery is not a crime. I said to define the crime called forgery.

When soldiers kill each other in war is that regarded as murder? No. Because the the crime called murder does not refer to every killing.

I thought you said you graduated with 4pts from UNIBEN? No offense, but you are not arguing like someone who graduated with such a GPA.

MorataFC:
ok
Thanks.

Skimpledawg:

FLASHBACK: I Received My Replacement Certificate From CSU

— Bola Tinubu

A video showing the moment embattled Bola Tinubu told Chatham house that he received his replacement certificate from the Chicago State University (CSU) during his address at the Chatham House in London on… pic.twitter.com/IaiBmppbQ0

— Parallel Facts (@ParallelFacts) October 5, 2023

MorataFC:
Leave all the shalaye and answer the question, is that a forgery?

MorataFC:
If I see my results on the net and I don't have a printer to print them and I write the results on a sheet of paper without any alterations,( my A1 is A1 and my F9 is F9 ) then I present them to you, is that one also forgery?

MorataFC:
What does the law say? Android17 has been asking everyone but no one answers him, again what does the law say I want to know.
If they (the judges, lawyers) who are at the helm of the law now deliver the verdict at the supreme courts hope you will not cry injustice?

MorataFC:
People like the news that favours them but every news that goes contrary to their beliefs is wrong and unacceptable, I don't like Tinubu but it is what it is, my wife said I should drop all my hatred towards our leaders and move on, Obasanjo is bad, Yar'dua is a green snake, Goodluck is clueless, Buhari is a combination of a tyrant and tribalist and then Tinubu is a druggie, Haba, if Jesus comes to rule this nation some of you will still complain then we need to check ourselves.

Amigoss:
So who published this on pm news in 1999

Android17:
Define the crime called forgery. Why is it so hard?

Remember, dummies were gyrating that forgery of all sorts is a crime, right? And I said it is not true. For one to commit the crime called forgery, INTENT to defraud for the purpose of gaining an advantage must be established.

That is why you emotionalists are now twisting something all of us (who have zero issues in reading and comprehending) have gleaned from the deposition that you yourself posted here.

Did CSU deny Tinubu as being a student that graduated from their institution? If so, can you screenshot the exact point that they said it. Let me show you another example of intellectual dishonesty.

FLASHBACK: I Received My Replacement Certificate From CSU

— Bola Tinubu

A video showing the moment embattled Bola Tinubu told Chatham house that he received his replacement certificate from the Chicago State University (CSU) during his address at the Chatham House in London on… pic.twitter.com/IaiBmppbQ0

— Parallel Facts (@ParallelFacts) October 5, 2023

Android17:
Until you define the crime called forgery don't bother engaging me on this topic as you are only going to be intellectually dishonest.

Next.

A001:
The funniest thing in this Tinubu certificate saga is, the Christians or the Muslims wey wake up this morning and prayed in the name of Yahweh or Allah, both imported idols from Israel and Arabia respectively.

You dey complain about forgery, yet your Bible and Qur'an na the origin of forgery, referring to Allah or Yahweh as the same as Olorun or any of the other native pagan gods of Africa.

If you woke up this morning and prayed in the name of Yahweh or Allah as Olorun or the respective native pagan god of your culture, shey you don address that forgery and impersonation before castigating Tinubu?

Make una just dey play sha. Even if you elect the fictitious Jesus or Einstein as the president of the country, if you don't honor your ancestors, the pagan gods in your culture, the country will remain backward and underdeveloped.

An intelligent African either chooses not to pray in the name of any god at all (whether native or foreign) the way agnostics and atheists do or prays in the name of his native god, his ancestor.

Allah is an Arabian idol; Yahweh is an Israelite idol; Olorun is a native god of the Yorubas; Chukwu is a native god of the Igbos; and all African cultures have their own native gods which are unique to them.

Na people wey dense dey call Allah Olorun or Olorun Allah or equate any of the native gods of Africa to either Allah or Yahweh.

A wise person does research and knows the history of the god he wants to worship throughout his life. But the African Muslims and Christians don't even know the history of their god.

All these gods are past humans and ancestors of modern humans. That's real history and fact, not lies and doctored history in your Bible and Qur'an.

For any people to develop, many people in that place must know who their ancestors are, and anyone with a basic level of intelligence can achieve this.

If most people in a region don't even know such basic information, which is who their ancestors are, it means their level of intelligence is low. Then, how can they develop and grow?

For a people to develop and grow, it takes a high level of intelligence and years of hard work.

Android17:
Can you define a crime without intent?

Or better yet, define the crime, forgery? Thanks.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]He submitted NYSC?[/color]

raumdeuter:
In this scenario, what will your employer call UNILAG to verify? The details on the certificate or the type of paper and font used to write it?

What's Trending With @OjyOkpe - CSU Counters Tinubu's Certificate, Says It Didn’t Issue Diploma Submitted To INEC

In the yet to be certified transcript obtained by our sister publication , Thisday Newspapers, Carl Westberg, Chicago State University’s witness in the case of… pic.twitter.com/4Zljkgm9Hs

— ARISE NEWS (@ARISEtv) October 5, 2023

Android17:
Don't get bogged down by unintelligent people who like to strain at gnats and swallow camels. Let's assume he actually re-made the certificate: do you really think the appearance and design is what will be the nail on his coffin?

I once mentioned here that there is a concept called the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. What the judiciary aims to do is to interpret the law AKA explain the INTENT of the law. Like why the law was actually made. That is the spirit of the law.

So why is it a crime to forge a document? To deceive in other to gain an advantage. For e.g If I claim I got my MBA from Stanford rather than Lagos Business School, will I naturally not be able to command a higher salary than otherwise?

When Nigerians forge financial documents or Letters of recommendation to obtain visas or admissions into top schools the intent there was to present oneself at a level to gain an advantage.

One could have argued that an MBA is still an MBA but you and me know that certain colleges and institutions command higher attention A.K.A benefits so the intent is clear as to why anyone will claim they graduated from Stanford rather than LBS.

Now ask yourself what Tinubu had to gain by re-making a diploma in which he did not exaggerate his class of degree or grades neither did he claim to have graduated when he did not? What would be the intent? How was he going to gain an advantage by doing so? That is what the law will check.

Any other conversation people are having here is just a wanton waste of precious time. Same as the junk about going to secondary school or not. As mysterious as those are, they mean little to nothing in the grand scheme of things. It should even add to his credit that he could make something of himself by graduating cum laude from a good institution in the USA - without having the requisite background or training to do so.

That's what should matter.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]As much as this case holds little because of technicalities, this guy is shady and God forbid i would defend something that is senseless

You went to CSU
You applied for a replacement, and never collected it till today

Then you went ahead to print another one and parade it as your originals. It took this drama for us to hear it is from a 3rd party aka Oluwole Publishers.

There's no image left for Nigeria. Everybody just dey ruin the little wey remain[/color]

Amigoss:
Deal breaker.

Although CSU re-orders certificates, attempts are made to match reproduced copies with the same exact style that was issued at that time.

In order words, Chicago State University would never reproduce any 1970s certificate with a 1990s style.

Case closed

CrystalTiger:
Maybe it was pride or whatever but BAT for just use him WAEC because this whole case is just confusing..

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I don confuse with this case.

I thought the aim was to prove Tinubu was not a student of CSU (I mean the one in Aso rock).

If the case now is that he submitted a fake, that is not CSU's business anymore. [/color]

Incognito9:
I hope Poch didn't repeat the mistake of switching Enzo/Gallagher position

raumdeuter:
In all sincerity I will accept whatever the court of the land decides

I will now ask you the same what will you do if the document released this week confirm that Tinubu male graduated from CSU?

donjazzet:
Happy birthday bro. More blissful days ahead. Wishing you the very best of life.

Ebukacute:
Happy birthday senior native doctor

patrickmuf:
Birthday blessings Chief...

larride:
Happy birthday Sege. May your days be filled with love, joy and many more years on earth.

Odunharry:
Happy birthday bro.

Roland17:
Happy birthday Sege!

raumdeuter:
Which kain sacrifice you wan collect for this irunmole birthday.

May your days be long egbon Shege