₦airaland Forum

nedu666:
See the kind of low iq people that populate this country. A govt that tells citizens to patronise made in Nigeria for economy should grow can't leas by example

Someone that is being critized for going to celebrate Sallah with his family in Lagos. Lol 😂.
There is nothing Tinubu does that those who wish to criticize will not criticize.

GraceWilliams2:
I have never heard that Christians in the South killed someone because she's witch! Where did you hear that one?

You can see how little attention is paid to such crime.

WizardOfNG:
Bro, you are trying too hard to redeem yourself. From the start, I condemned the bolded.

My point is that virtually all fellow Southerners will condemn such in unison with me and even conduct citizens arrest of the offender to then hand them over to the police because extrajudicial killing of anyone, for any reason, is wrong in the South. Period.

Whereas in the North, the lynching of so called religious blasphemers is right and just in the eyes of virtually all Northerners.

I really dont get your obtuse and obdurate conduct here.

You only made an excerpt and pasted it here. I was the first to comment my opinion and of course it wasn't based on your comment because you made none at that time.

And as much as I tried to explain my views, you already made up your mind.

correctguy101:
No mind dem.

The new nairaland is Exasperating abeg...

The summary is, I was the first to make my opinion on this thread and I stated that "it is sad" about such killings which is inclined to religiousity of which both religions are guilty but their context differ. That was all I said. I didn't justify the killings. I went ahead to talk about how little attention is paid to killings of innocent people by alledging that they are witches which such accusations is mostly by Christians. That was all!

I further made my point as to how the trend and pattern of this blasphemy differs among practicing Muslims in the North compared to the South.

Killings is killings, and there is no where I have justified killings of this sort. And they all became upset. Lol 😂

correctguy101:
Wetin dem dey tell you and wetin you dey talk?

Read the comment you replied again..


Na wa for u o...

Dem don delete our initial comments so you no fit understand.

WizardOfNG:
You're shameless and a repellent fundamentalist. Should criminal action not be punishable by order of a Judge in a competent Court of law?

It is okay, as you imply, for a public lynch mob to kill, machete and burn someone to death they claim has offended them yet has not been subjected to a fair hearing?
Something is wrong with you. What is pathetic is that you do not realize that.

What you are trying to project is exactly the same case with many who have died as the result of being labeled as witches. No pronouncement by judges but mob attacks but you were so upset because I broadened the perspective.

Below is the content on Nairaland that people didn't even pay attention to. Just like you. The bolded is an emphasis. DONT BE BIAS ABEG!

Kseeker:
As cases of witchcraft branding continue to thrive and perpetrators go unpunished, the recent is Mrs Martina Okey Itagbor, a mother of four girls who was accused of witchcraft and was subsequently burnt to death in Old Netim, Akamkpa Local Government Area of Cross River State.

In April 2023, some youths suspected to be gangsters accused the late Martina of inflicting illness on a certain youth in the community.

One of her daughters who narrated to CrossRiverWatch said the chief of the community, Ntufam Augustine Nyong Orok washed his hands off the accusation and asked Mrs. Martina to defend herself if she was not a witch.

The matter was said to have been reported to Old Netim Police Station, Akamkpa same April 2023 when the first attack was launched on her but the police were in fear because gangsters were involved.

On the 13th of June, 2023, some youths in the community gathered and stocked themselves in a charted vehicle heading to the inauguration reception of the member representing Akamkpa 1 State Constituency and formal Commissioner for Agriculture during former Governor Ben Ayade term – Hon. Okon Owuna.

Unfortunately, the youths who were suspected to be drunk had an accident and two of them lost their lives on the spot and many were injured.

A day after, some of the youths came and dragged Madam Martina out of her house to the main road, alleging she masterminded the accident and death of the two youths using witchcraft.

https://www.youtube.com/live/SH1a-ulwz9c?feature=share

WizardOfNG:
That is what he should have done to begin with rather than doubling down on his erroneous initial opinion.

How was I justifing?! By stating what happens on the other side too?! How is that a justification. Till date, the murders of the woman murdered for being called a witch are roaming about enjoying life.

WizardOfNG:
You're lying. You have not established any trend or pattern. No one will tell you killings cannot ever be committed by overzealous Christians, on religious grounds, in the South.

Yet such is uncommon and ,when it occurs, will lead to the 100% gauranteed prosecution of the offender in the SE, SW and SS.

You've really discredited yourself doubling down on a deceitful and redundant argument when you should have just remained silent when initially engaged over your flawed submission.

We ought to be taking the North to task, at every opportunity, to insist they move into modernity, embrace a fair degree of secularity and become more moderate like Turkey etal.

Rather than encouraging them, as you are attempting to do gaslighting Christians, to believe it is okay for them to keep moving backwards till they become worse than Somalia, Afghanistan etal.

Lol 😂. How was I lying?! I even made an attachment from Nairaland. If you go through the content. It clearly stated that those who killed that woman alleging that she is a witch were not brought to face the law. There is no lying to this.

And there is no where I have justified this killings.

Kukutente23:
That's a lie
The fact is that killing of witches is sanctioned in Islam unlike in Christianity which makes Muslims have a right to kill witches unlike Christianity where it will be a sin
See hadith to back it up

Exodus 22:18

Kukutente23:
I'm upset because you just spread falsehood against Christianity. Why did you have to drag Christianity into the murderous nature of your brothers with a lie?
Have you no shame? This might be a faceless nature of monikers here might allow folks to be unhinged and uncouth but even the dogs should have a bit of decorum when barking.
Looking to drag Christianity in a bid to forestall the possible dragging of Islam using a lie just makes your Islam looks much worse than it already is
It makes it seem as if Islam wouldn't survive without lies

Lol 😂. There is no lies it the practice of killing witches which is very synonymous with Christians than it is with Muslims despite the Hadith you have quoted. That's just the truth.

Kukutente23:
Ok. Assuming you are able to bring an end to it in the South. How do you intend to do so in the North? You see why lying is not good now?
Only an ignoramus will claim Africans learnt killing of witches from Europeans. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard and I've sure heard a lot of dumb things
Muhammad ordered in the hadith that a sorcerer must be killed. I hope you're aware of that fact
See

What is the difference between a sorcerer and a witch are they the same?!

And did the Prophet ever ordered a mob attack? If it should be done?

BetterScottish:
. They're plenty like that, you spose know dem..they never get banned or their useless comments deleted, that Zero8zero, softmirror, jayhome, helinues, omenka, antichristian, madridguy, if you know this set monikers, they never disappoint with their comments

There is absolutely no reason why I can get banned. Why?! Because I stated a trend and pattern of killings in Nigeria?!

11doubledee:
There is no reason to make this about semantics at this point,you very much understand me.
What is bad is bad!

As you can see, you cannot prove your assertion that I am trying to justify killings in the name of religion.

There is no justification!

DMerciful:
It is not happening in Christianity but Islam so why do you water it down by spreading this anomaly to both major religion?

Clearly, you're trying to be mischievous

Anomaly?! Of course that is the point I am making.

11doubledee:

Now you're trying to be half as smart and i will fall for that manipulation for just a minute.
But you know within yourself killing in the name of Allah makes absolutely no sense today in the 21st century.
And I honestly know it will be difficult for you to speak the truth to them make we no lose you too to lynching.
But pls and pls when we see bad things it is better to be mute than try to justify evil.
Can anyone live in Nigeria today as a Christian without relating with babalawo and Muslims?
And vice versa,except you are always indoors.
Like i always say let love lead,those prophets did their best through teachings in making today better let's also do our best in making tomorrow much more better.

Where have I made any justification? If there is kindly quote it here for the whole world to see. I have only presented a sad trend and pattern as to why people of religion kill innocent souls. That was my first comment which seems not to go down well with all of you.

DMerciful:
Trying to balance the tragedy by going back to hundreds of years ago just to include Christianity is to treat the issue with levity!

This is not a supremacy of religions contest but a need to speak truth to the Islamic leaders to stop theor radical members from fighting for Allah or Mohd

What you call happening hundreds of years in Europe is what is happening presently here, which my mentioning it have made you all upset. So, how do we also bring an end to it.

MemphitzDgreat1:
Your reasoning along religious and ethnic lines is very appalling and sickening 😖

Simply means you are not a problem solver. Lol 😂

How many cases of blasphemy by Muslims do you find in Southern Nigeria compared to the North?! Why?!

11doubledee:
You keep shouting "objective" "objective" "objective" ........
The only objective thing here to do is to start educating deluded Muslims about their crimes in the name of Islam.
Except if you are just pretending not to be in support of Islamic terrorism.
As for me ,if you hurt a Muslim on religious grounds as a Christian na me go first report you to law enforcement.

You are starting to comprehend what I have been talking about. Hence, it is your duty too.

Love800:
Pls seal up.
What have you be ranting throughout the thread!
Are you trying to say you did not project death judgement!

According to people of your like minds.

IGBOPROMISE1:
For how long can you go threading cautiously before you finally and inadvertently say something these brainless jihadist mob deem ‘disrespectful’ and ‘insulting’ to their prophet….and the next thing you know, a tyre is being hung round your neck as you’re doused in petrol while one of them goes off to look for matches!?

Can’t speak for you and your ethnicity/religion, but i believe everyday my resolve to see my people detached from this lunatic asylum and killing field becomes more strengthened and justified by the madness and senseless spilling of innocent blood that greets me on a daily basis! I believe a lot of other Nigerians share my sentiment, but they will say or do nothing either because they’re selfishly benefiting from the status-quo and present political-economy, or because they’re too far gone in their stockholm-syndrome and don’t mind continuing being slaves to the ruling hegemonies holding Nigeria to ransom!

Lol 😂. Ekpa was charged for terrorism. Kanu too is not left out of this crime. How do we define terrorism?! I hope you know that they are not Muslims.

Elusive001:
Christian do not kill.

Go and rest bros. Stop justifying the senseless killings perpetrated by Muslims in the name of islam.

Do a case study of those who hunt and kill witches. They are mostly Christians.

Elusive001:
The penalty for apostasy in islam is DEATH. The penalty for blasphemy in islam is also DEATH. It is not about what the Southern muslim does. It is about the teachings of Islam.

In islam, who is accepted ahead of the other? The Southern muslim or the northern muslim?

Please, leave this matter. You can never change what islam stands for.

It is not DEATH. It is very incorrect! You are the one trying to reinforce FALSEHOOD.

Kukutente23:
There's no truth in your claim. Just lies. People all over the world kill witches out of morbid fear of what they feel they do

Just look what I found in Kano and Bauchi this year concerning killing of witches by Muslims in the North

Your peurile attempt at dragging Christianity into the bloodlust of your Muslim brothers is shameful

Lol 😂. It is very ingrained which Christianity than Islam. This is a fact!

I have as well stated that you won't find Christians killing in the name of blasphemy. But you all failed to see that.

Sorry, for telling you the truth.

Nteogwuija:
It's either you're doing something on purpose, your APC spokespersons are saying something on purpose, or Tinubu's body language is gestured on purpose.

Admitting that you're wrong doesn't make you less of a human.

Wrong! I never admitted that what happened is lawful or have supported it. If I did please kindly show me.

I only made reference to another reason why proof religion kill innocent people. Which I don't understand why you are all upset.

Elusive001:
Bros there is no death penalty in Christianity except death in hell. Neither apostasy nor blasphemy attracts death in Christianity.

That's why no one kills in the name of Christianity or CHRIST JESUS.

You will find such practice by Muslims in the Southern part of the country. It is when you go to the North that such crime is committed. Hence, you need be objective when making your judgement.

11doubledee:
There is nothing straight forward about all you have said.Alhaji fuji musicians have continually made a mockery of Jesus in their music and christians don't make a meal out of it.
Renew your mind and go enlighten your deluded Muslim brothers in the north and stop supporting Islamic terrorism in the 21st century.

You are still not being objective.Mockery of Christ is done by alot of Christians. You can't deny this.

And I already made it clear from the onset. The context is different with reaction to blasphemy and witchcraft by both religion.

Kukutente23:
Are you saying the Christians in Europe taught the Christians in Calabar and the Muslims in Mokwa how to kill witches? Cause I don't see the sense in any link you're trying to build between the burning of witches in Europe in the 13th-16th century and the age long practice of killing witches in Africa.

Go and learn history and learn to situate it perfectly. Witches have always been killed in most parts of Africa before the advent of Christianity.
I hope you will not attribute the mob killing of suspected thieves that still occurs till today to European history as well

Your attempt at balancing act is built on falsehood. Sorry

It does have its roots in European Christianity. One you can't deny.

Kukutente23:
You mean it is ok to live in fear of your fellow citizens? What kind of human are you? Are you sure you're civilised and live in a civilised setting?

More specifically, what did the woman say? Do you have any idea? Because you have summarily condemned her as inciting her own death.

I doubt your humanity

I stated that "IT IS SAD" lol 😂. But the truth I pin pointed to has not gone down well with most of you.

11doubledee:
What is objective about supporting a crime?
So you know ,my aunt lost one of her children to Islamic terrorism in kaduna.
They didn't return with anything to lagos except their lives.

Why Kaduna?! Why not Lagos?! Are there no Muslims in Lagos? You can see that you are not objective in your judgement.

Kukutente23:
Stop telling lies
Killing of witches is not Christian belief. Is killing of twins in same Calabar Christian belief? Killing of witches is traditional African belief. Even in the North, it occurs as well. If you doubt me, go to Mokwa in same Niger state and tell them you're a witch that sucks blood at night. Come back and tell me what happened if you can..

Lol 😂. Historical records of Christianity in Europe can't deny this practices either.

11doubledee:
You didn't even bother answer any of the questions.
I guess because you know the truth within yourself.

I already answered your question in a very straightforward way. Why is such crimes of mob attack not associated with Muslims in the Southern part of the country?!