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InesQor:
This is plain nonsense. A deductive statement? Who made the deduction? You or viaro?

Hahaha. . .!!  You should show some understanding .[color=Black].[/color]. the fact is that DeepSight is a liar, and an illiterate liar at that, who wants to educate himself on issues he has not first sorted out for himself before seeking to educate others on!

The twerp should go back to school! I can't even imagine for a moment that he does not understand the difference between the two types of statements he proffers to cover his lies; or else I do not see how he would have asserted that 'Viaro’s statements are both direct and deductive' - and yet up until now he has not been able to quote the same viaro DIRECTLY! Someone have mercy on me for my surprise at this Dee[color=Black]pSh[/color]it who displays such illiteracy on this page! Do I need to offer the advice that he goes back to school and learn the basics - or rather, that he keeps LYING up and down the streets as he has always done!

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InesQor:
I said I wouldn't post on this thread again but it is a pity that Deep Sight is such an incredible liar.

I have watched in silence as he claimed that viaro STATED something that he didn't, rather than saying he inferred or assumed some information from what viaro truly asserted, and then confirm with him [size=14pt]if[/size] that's what he meant.

Such underdog below-the-belt attacks are only a tad aspect of Deep Sight's fraudulence.

Common sense and a tinge of honesty in DeepSight would have made those highlighted points clear enough!

I have no problem where someone might "infer" or "assume" something in my posts - as long as they ask IF their inference or assumption was what I might have meant. If DeepSight had used that approach, this thread would long have progressed, insights would have been gained, ideas shared amicably (even where we disagree), and issues would have long been resolved.

But DeepSight has demonstrated he was not interested in discussing issues but seeking grounds to lie every which way he tries. Even at his best attempts, his lies are pathetic to begin with, not to mention that he would have had to drag on such duplicity for ages and never once admit he might have erred (instead of outright lying).

Then to come back trying to sweep his lies under the excuse of 'direct and deductive statements' and yet be unable to QUOTE ME directly .[color=Black].[/color]. m-e-n!! That was so awesome to behold!

No need to advice the deep.liar who's bent on his sh[color=Black]it[/color]ty career of duplicity. I can bet he would come back entertaining us with further lies.

Now, let's see what else you have up your sleeves.

Deep Sight:
Let us just go over the second two statements.

Good. Please QUOTE ME directly on them - or remain the deep LIAR you always have been.

Deep Sight:
Now I need to ask you what a statement is.

For my training gives me to understand that there are both direct and deductive statements.

Your training reveals you're a rogue. What is a "statement" - you didn't answer that question before jumping to direct and deductive statements.

And what I have been saying all along? I have asked you for DIRECT quotes, since you said: [list]

Deep Sight:
Here are the very clear statements you have made once again –

[/list]. . . and I requested DIRECT QUOTES!

Your efforts to be mischievous on top of your deceit is another milestone to your lying career - so well done for your "training" as a deep liar!

Deep Sight:
Viaro’s statements are both direct and deductive.

Please once more: QUOTE ME directly for your deep lies that I ever made the direct statements you "attributed" to viaro -

[list](a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

[/list]

Those are the ONLY TWO statements that you "attributed" to me that I have challenged; and since post #67, those are the same TWO statements that I have maintained for you to QUOTE ME directly on! Since you are arguing that my statements are 'both direct and deductive', I ask you to quote my DIRECT statements where I ever made any of those deep lies from your deceit attributed to me. Be man enough to try, or remain the liar you always have been!

Deep Sight:
For his second statement he states that physical things may enter spiritual realms. This is both a direct and deductive statement that those realms are not immaterial – because there are now physical things there. If those realms are not immaterial, then they are not spiritual. No dice, end of story.

Mr deep-rogue, where is the DIRECT quote for your lies "attributed" to me for the statement that: "Spiritual realms do not exist"?!?

Where are the DIRECT QUOTES for those statements you "attributed" to me?

Deep Sight:
His third statement is very direct. He states that Enoch and Elijah went to heaven before the sacrifice of Christ. This very DIRECTLY tells us that they did not need that sacrifice to reach heaven.

Am I missing something here?

Mr deep-rogue, where is the DIRECT quote for your lies "attributed" to me for the statement that: "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death"?!?

Where are the DIRECT QUOTES for those statements you "attributed" to me?


You see, even at your very best lying "training", you end up as an illiterate LIAR! Your office (if you ever have one) should be terribly ashamed at you if this is how you lie up and down the streets with definitions from your "training" that you really cannot show evidence for!

Keep lying - another feather to your rogue religion!

^^DeepSight,

Deep Sight:
IS JESUS NO LONGER GOD? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

And I am the one lying? ? ?

We all know that you are a very deep-LIAR; and yes, you and you alone are the only liar desperate to save face in this same thread that you opened.

Nobody has asked you about the Deity of Christ so far in this thread. There are others who have said the same thing as that Jesus rose from the dead in His glorified body - and I have reminded you about this very thing (noetic16, aletheia, et al). I could quote their direct statements in this thread if you are too ignorant of the fact, or merely keeping the sport of your duplicity building into many more pages!

Nobody has any quarrels about the Deity of Christ in this thread - and that is NOT the issue in this thread at all. But seeing that you have spewed out your LIES in this thread in attributing statements that I never made at any time, you have forever ducked the challenge I presented you right from post #67! It would be very interesting to see how long you have to keep lying just so we can see there's nothing other than that in your life!

Deep Sight:
What a world. YOU have the nerve to talk about reputations? ? ?

What gives you the impression that I am bothered about "my reputation."

Oh shut up already! Would anyone be surprised about your not being bothered about what reputations you have made for your lying career on Nairaland? You just have no shame whatsoever, and it is hardly a wonder any more that you can't be bothered about the idiocy of your duplicity on this forum.

Deep Sight:
I am pleased to note that you prove and show clearly that i told no lies on the first statement I attributed to him.

Please stop attributing your deep lies to viaro! Have you lost all sense of shame already?
My challenge to you right from post #67 is about two statements you asserted I made. It proves nothing in your career of falsehood on Nairaland where you refuse to directly attend to those two statements. If someone had told me that proponents of an OOI are deep liars, I have every reason to applaud them now.

Deep Sight:
So that is closed now. I will not venture back for now into how ridiculous your statement above is: to wit - God in a physical body in heaven.

Please keep venturing into it - like the idiot you have been, you failed to see how many people in this thread have already made the point.

chakula:
@vairo,
the truth of the matter is that no doubt that Allah has created seven earth and seven heaven but in existance we are witnessing only one earth and the remainings Allah placed them in the place choseen by Him,

Actually, in Sura 65:12 your Allah did not say anything about placing the remaining six earths in any specially chosen place. This issue of seven earths in the Quran have been interpreted by many of your apologists to mean seven layers of this one earth - which we have seen to be nothing other than the usual Muslim fallacies at work.

Secondly, have you noticed that anytime your apologists are at work with their propaganda, they often claim that the Quran is ahead of science? Yes, please go back to post #56 and see what mr experts posted: "in the case of the Qur’an, the reason was given over 1,400 years ago, before the scientists even knew what to believe in". My query has always been: where does the muslim scientist believe anything about SEVEN EARTHS that nobody has been able to confirm?

Third, all the explanations from your apologists have been shown to be fallacies and a complete farce. That was why I posted answers in post #103 above to show what was meant by seven earths from the three main sources of Islamic jurisprudence (the Quran, the Hadiths and the Tafsirs).

chakula:
if iam wrong why you are agree that there is any place by name called heaven while nobody that ever witness a such,and again Allah the most merciful knows what is going to happen tommorow or if there is any body that have such knowledge except Him please narrated it for me.

Is there any need for me to show how wrong you are yet again? Your apologists said that the seven heavens are seven layers of earth's atmosphere! Now, even though they are factually wrong (based on your sources of jurisprudence), how can you maintain about the layers of the atmosphere that "nobody ever witness a such" ?!?

Please show me Allah's remaining SIX EARTH then I shall take you on them. Anything less than that is merely your piddling.

Deep Sight:
As I stated above, this thread above all others has exposed the paucity of your thinking, the emptiness of your understanding of scripture and indeed life, existence, logic and has confirmed to what devastating degree you are sickeningly bereft of any degree of insight on even the most elementary matters.

Thanks. After all your lame efforts to wash your duplicity, and the stains still remain. Now move on.

Deep Sight:
I have observed that you have CEASED to deny making this statement – concentrating your energies instead on the other two statement which I attributed to you. This is a mark of progress.

Right from post #67, there were ONLY TWO (and only TWO) statements that I have requested that you QUOTE ME directly anywhere to show where I ever made such statements - and this is post #139 or so (do the maths and see how long it is taking you to answer that simple challenge). I did not ask you any other - just those two. Did you at any time QUOTE ME directly to show where I ever stated your lies that: (a) "Spiritual realms do not exist" or (b) "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death"?!?

You certainly did not address my challenge and your lies remain as your trade mark. When you ever stop lying, go back to post #67 and see that there were ONLY TWO statements I posted for your direct quotes - please stop "attributing" your deep lies to viaro. Thanks in advance.

Deep Sight:
We will try to guide you out of the embarrassing cesspit of juvenile thinking which could lead you to posit that the Almighty and transcendental uncaused cause of all existence dwells in heaven in a physical body.

Don't bother - I stopped listening to liars for OOI .[color=Black].[/color]. especially the liar parading himself as DeepSight whose only mission on Nairaland is to "attribute" his deep lies to anyone who's not converting to his rogue religion.

Deep Sight:
Let me offer you a piece of advice – when you have blundered your way into such unspeakably asinine conclusions about God, such as that he lives in a human body in heaven, then it is time for you to take up the virtue of humility, quietly retrace your steps and own up to having got it disastrously wrong.

Is that the best you can do? I've news for you: when you have blundered over your duplicity of attributing your deep lies to people for more than 60 posts after the request was made that you QUOTE ME directly, it is time you moved on - because we know you have no humility in your OOI to wash your lying spree. Your god of OOI has long collapsed into its own blackhole - please kindly remember once more that I'm not a deist with a leaning to your OOI.

Deep Sight:
Pride goeth before a fall, and in this instance, the fall has been gargantuan.

I agree - the fall was yours: and your pride was millions of light years ahead of your deep lying. Is that why you can't deal with issues with a bit more humility and honesty? No - because you're a total stranger to sincerity.

Deep Sight:
I am not sure that many of your disciples on this forum would be willing to back up this fabulous supposition of yours – that God is currently in heaven in a physical human body. What a rib-cracker.

You're dafter than a dead braincell and a total disgrace to Nairaland. I have no disciples - because the Christians who commented here have shown they can think for themselves without waiting to catch any word from my pen. Go figure: aletheia, noetic16, et al have said the same thing that you're seeking to hang on my neck - ask and I shall repost their comments.

Deep Sight:
Of course there are no worries: for it is comical the extent you which you have decided to REJECT the plain words of Jesus (God) himself in his declaration that NO MAN had been to heaven.

I did not reject but rather explained what Jesus meant by linking John 3:13 with Ephesians 4:9-10. I did not see you offer even one line of exegesis on those verses, no?

Deep Sight:
Sorry, but this is simply to st.upid to warrant a response.

I guessed you were that stu[color=Black]pid yo[/color]u wouldn't be able to respond at all - no biggy there. And thanks for confirming it all the same.

Deep Sight:

By making such a statement, did I STATE ANYWHERE that "Spiritual realms do not exist"?!?

Is a spiritual realm not intangible ? ? ?

You need to change whatever you're smoking!
How does your answer {'is a spiritual realm not intangible'} correlate with your lies attributed to me that "Spiritual realms do not exist"?!? I did not ask you whether the spiritual realm is intangible or not - please face the question I asked and stop making a deeper cut into your lies, yes?

Deep Sight:
If material PHYSICAL things are resident there, what is so intangible about such a realm anymore? ? ?

How does the fact of a physical entity change the whole realm of the intangible?

Deep Sight:
It simply means DIRECTLY that such a realm as you call “spiritual” does NOT exist.

That's another one of your numerous lies again. I nowhere ever said that the "spiritual realm does not exist" - that was your own manufactured ontology, a lie from the pit of OOI, and a stamp upon your rogue religion.

Deep Sight:
Yes? Such as the disgraced Mavenbox when I called her out on her CLEAR statement that Paradise is in Hades? ? ? Do you need me to fetch the quotes again? I will happily oblige.

Please stop making excuses that don't help you. Mavenbox's issue has absolutely nothing to do with your penchant to deliberately "attribute" your deep lies upon anyone. At least, he had the dignity to own up, unlike you who forever are too busy attributing your deep lies to others and NEVER EVER own up to your duplicity. From page one, noetic16 has noted that he "wanted to be sure DeepSight was not extracting your quotes out of context as he normally does with mine". In yet other threads, you have done this to numerous others and have well deserved to yourself the hallmark of mr DeepLIAR who has also acknowledged that he "attributed" his deep lies to viaro. I know you will come back yet to acknowledge your deep lies once more when your roguery has failed you - it's your world, so enjoy.

Deep Sight:
Look, Monsieur Pilgrim 1. (“f”) – given the id.iocy of Mavenbox’s assertion about paradise, and your assertion about God dwelling in heaven in a physical body, I am inclined to believe you are both the same person.

Ah, thanks - I can't laugh enough. I guess the fact that noetic16 and aletheia acknowledged the same thing about Jesus with His glorified body then equates viaro to both noetic16 and aletheia, yes?

Your idi[color=Black]ocy[/color] clutches desperately at strawman fallacies, and I sympathise with you. Not even when you returned from your lame exile did it occur to you to add on a bit of honesty to your spine, and you remain the double-hunchback twerp you have ever been. Keep up with your sham, it helps to glorify your OOI.

noetic16:
I have nothing else to add.

If you had nothing to add, leave viaro out of your sham.

noetic16:
1. when I stated that Elijah did not go to heaven . . . .that statement was in lieu of the statement of Jesus.

After I explained that statement in John 3:13 based on the explanation in Ephesians 4:9-10, you kept insisting that Elijah did not go into heaven. It was not an explanation of any realms that you were after, but a categorical denial of 2 Kings 2:11 from the onset.

If you had agreed that Elijah went into HEAVEN initially, and then make your case for any realms you may so choose, there would have been NO NEED to spend post after post trying to persuade you to admit first that 2 Kings 2:11 simply said and meant that Elijah went up into HEAVEN, instead of saying that was not so because you had issues with John 3:13.

noetic16:
2. when I did assert that elijah went into heaven ,   . . .it was after I had analysed the realms of heaven and noted that the outer-space, planets and unknown places are usually called heaven. But this heaven is not the same heaven Jesus came from or the dwelling place of Jehovah.

Why did it take you so long to admit that Elijah went into HEAVEN? Why the initial denial of 2 Kings 2:11?

You started out denying that verse on notions that hold no substance - and ended up throwing your wildest guess into a realm of "UNKNOWN" which includes the 'outer-space, planets, sun, moon and stars' - like such a realm has not been known!

Even given the confusion you brought yourself for the sake of an argument, one would still have to wonder at the vacuity of thought that you assume an "UNKNOWN" for your "realm 2" which yet included the planets, sun, moon, and stars . . this is all a laugh! I would have hoped that you understood that such a 'realm 2' as you described is KNOWN rather than UNKNOWN. You could do so by explaining WHY such a realm that was known yet was UNKNOWN to you! No - you offered nothing for your vacant assertion, only to crawl back making further empty excuses.

Deep Sight:
Alright.

Alright - you lied, no?

It's no big deal if you yet don't admit it - you're known for that.

Deep Sight:
Question -

Does an Immaterial Realm remain Immaterial when there are material things in it?

Yes.

Is that the same thing as your LIE that "Spiritual realms do not exist"?

Deep Sight:
Can it still be called "immaterial" when physical material things are there?

Yes.

Again, is that the same thing as your LIE that "Spiritual realms do not exist"?

Quote from Viaro on April 14 2010/ 08:24:17 PM -


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(a) Enoch
The simple testimony of Scripture is that Enoch did not experience death - "Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him" (Heb. 11:5, ESV). For those who wish to argue endlessly to the contrary, my simple request is that they provide me any verse where Enoch is said to have died - death being defined Biblically as 'the body without the spirit' (James 2:26).

(b) Elijah
"Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven" (1 Kings 22: is an oft-quoted verse to this point, from which we understand that he was taken up bodily into heaven just as was reported of Enoch. There is not a single verse that declares Elijah's death anywhere in Scripture -

Where in the above ^^^ do you find any such statements as:

(a)  "Spiritual realms do not exist"

(b)  "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death"

You should have shown them highlighted in that quote, but where does anyone read such in my posts?

Deep Sight:
Listen: if you genuinely believe that I am making false statements, then you have no need to worry: the objective reader will read the thread and see clearly that you are right: and that I am indeed a liar. So there is no need for you to return to this thread.

If you didn't want me to return, all you needed to do was ask nicely - I would long have left you to your lies. It's that simple.

And yes, I genuinely believe that you were making false statements and then ascribing them to me. That was why I repeatedly requested you to please QUOTE ME directly for those two statements (a) and (b) above, that I never at any time made. You only had to QUOTE ME and let this thread progress - but you definitely would not do so because you knew you had lied from the onset, which is what you are known for on Nairaland.

1.  I posited my case simply - and anyone who can read understands I based my answers on Biblical verses. Elijah went up into heaven (2 Kings 2:11), whereas you and noetic16 disagreed and denied that verse. No worries.

2.  Now if you wanted to discuss this issue ontologically, I asked you certain questions which you categorically ignored and NEVER ONCE offered any answers. Ask I would be glad to repost them - there's no need to quarrel over your lies on this one.

3.  If you really desired to discuss, all you needed to do was quote me directly for what you said were my statements in (a) and (b) above; and then I would explain WHY I pointed out that Elijah went into HEAVEN; and also why I have said quite early in post #14 that -

  'I'm persuaded that the physical body can enter into the realm of the 'spiritual'
  (if that's what you meant by 'intangible').'

By making such a statement, did I STATE ANYWHERE that "Spiritual realms do not exist"?!?

If you don't understand what people say, ask them to explain rather than LIE and keep LYING about statements that they never made! This is what you have repeatedly done - LIE your way through to ascribe statements to people that they never made (and yes, I have examples where you have done this to others as well).

Odunnu:
Deepsight,your thread hz been hijacked all bcz of arguements that make my head ache.
U guys say same thing ovr and ovr again and nobody is makin any new claims.Tot u started ths thread for d info and nt d insults.

It is now clear that DeepSight was not looking for any discussion from the onset - or he would have been willing to discuss issues beyond this point.

Odunnu:
Viaro,if he (deepsight) refuses 2quote U,plz ignore hs subsequent posts 4d sake of maturity.

It's been over 55 posts since I requested that he QUOTED MY DIRECT STATEMENTS for the falsehood he ascribed to me - my repeated requests that he quote me was just for one thing: I wanted to see how long DeepSight would have to hold out his LYING. I promised the fellow who tried to persuade me to engage in this thread that DS would keep lying to over 100 posts after my request .[color=Black].[/color]. but since the point is made, I don't need to impress that fellow any longer: he should draw his conclusions about what I warned him about initially.

And thanks once again for your comments.

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PS. did you check your mail yet - I gave the link. Let me know if it didn't get to your inbox and I'll re-send.

chakula:
@vairo,

here are some contradiction which i detected from bible,but i don't know may be you can or somebody else explain to me how it's happen,and also i would like to be acquiented with the contradiction is from the god,holysprit or the author of the book?since that you xtians agreed that the bible is not a verbal revelation but inspiration.

@chakula,

I will give you my answers as soon as you have found answers for what I posted in #103 above. Where are the remaining SIX EARTHS of Allah's creation since we know of only one earth?

Deep Sight:
Joker. go debate nursery school kids, not me.

At least, nursery school kids are more mature than you bloody liar.

Where did I make any such statements as these:

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

1. Please QUOTE my statements - date, time, post - where viaro ever stated that "Spiritual realms do not exist".

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

2.  Please QUOTE my statements - date, time, post - where viaro ever stated that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death".

When you lie in public and have nothing to cover your lies, you keep repeating those lies ad infinitum precisely to show the character of your rogue religion.

Deep Sight:
Laugh it off, Viaro - tight corners dont feel good do they?

I would have laughed it off if it were not for the fact you are a bloody liar - nothing tight about that.

@Malbron,

Marlbron:
Viaro v Deepsight

Deepsight has made straitfoward deductions from [size=14pt]your statements[/size], like a lawyer in a court, and he is right.

Excuse me, but DeepSight did not set out to make any deductions - he LIED that I had made certain STATEMENTS which are not found anywhere in any one of my posts! Did you miss that? Here again:

Deep Sight:
Here are the very clear statements you have made once again –

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

Please tell me Malbron, -

(a) WHERE did viaro STATE that "Spiritual realms do not exist" - please QUOTE ME directly!

(b) WHERE did viaro STATE that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death" - please QUOTE ME directly!

How could you be drawing such idiotic and unfounded conclusions that DeepSight was "right" when he had LIED in saying I made STATEMENTS that I never made ANYWHERE? Is that the best that you Malbron could have drawn upon to say he was "right"?

I did not state anywhere that "Spiritual realms do not exist" nor did I state anywhere that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death". Where you disagree, please QUOTE MY STATEMENTS directly. It were better that you just observed and shut your trap instead of throwing your support in for shameless liars like DeepSight! I consider you one of the same liars UNTIL you QUOTE ME DIRECTLY where I ever made any such statements ascribed to me above!

@Malbron,

Marlbron:
Read through all of this. Why young men do these arguments end up in flames/IS it a question of ego?

I am not sure you read through all of it - you're just claiming to have done so. This is why:

Marlbron:
Noetic v Viaro

Noetic concludes that even though it is stated that Elijah went to heaven, the evidence of Jesus from a recent testament counters that, plus the fact that there are many heavens. Which heaven did he go to? Certainly not the one Jesus came from! Why is it a big deal to understand this, Viaro? Seriously this is what I take out from this.

Dude, did you miss such posts as #84 and #71 where I gave a few examples of posts where noetic16 categorically denied what was stated in 2 Kings 2:1 & 11? If noetic16 had rather admitted that Elijah indeed went into heaven as the Scripture said, before proceeding to explain which sphere of 'heaven' he might have thought that 2 Kings 2:1 & 11 were referring to, I would not have spent many posts trying to persuade him of the clear statement in those verses.

The verse in 2 Kings 2:11 said plainly: ". . . Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven". Why was noetic16 completely denying the statement in that verse, as in -

[list](a)

noetic16:
I have established why elijah did NOT go to heaven . . . . . .what u choose to do with your ignorance is up to u 

(b)

noetic16:
The chronologies establish the FACT that elijah did NOT ascend/went into heaven.

(c)

noetic16:
3. Enoch and Elijah did NOT ascend into heaven  . . . . to claim so is to say that Jesus lied.

(d)

noetic16:
There is no reason to believe that Enoch or Elijah went to heaven/realm of the spiritual. . . . .and there are several notions that support this truth . . . ,

[/list]

These are plain statements noetic16 made and there's no twisting anything to the fact that he completely denied that verse! Denying that Elijah went into heaven as the verse categorically said in plain simplicity is NOT the same thing as admitting later that Elijah went into heaven but a different sphere of 'heaven'.

On the other hand, I have maintained throughout that Elijah went into heaven - that was what I have repeatedly admonished noetic16 to consider, and that was what I was consistent about. It was not a matter of which sphere of heaven Elijah went into; rather, it was the simple plain fact of what that verse stated.

The question of John 3:13 was also not denied in my rejoinders - which was why I explained in detail meaning of Jesus' words in that verse in light of Ephesians 4:9-10, which appears in my first rejoinder to noetic16.

The point in all this is simple: noetic16 dug his own grave by first denying Scripture (as we have seen in those direct quotes (a) to (d) above) .[color=Black].[/color]. only to have come back trying to surreptitiously admit what that verse said, that Elijah went into heaven. Even at that, the same noetic16 ended up confusing himself with garbled notions that such an 'heaven' in 2 Kings 2:11 was outside the scope of our knowledge, and yet saying that it was the second realm (realm 2).

Here are his quotes again:

(a)

noetic16:
3. So when I talk about the unknowns . . . . .I imply that Elijah and Enoch could have been taken to anywhere outside of the scope of our knowledge. ,   .  but definitely NOT the heaven where God dwells.

If it was "outside the scope of our knowledge", how did noetic16 yet KNOW that it was realm 2?!? --

(b)

noetic16:
If Jesus said Elijah was NOT in realm 3.
and realm 1 is for rain and our immediate sky . . . . . . . . . .where then would Elijah be?

EXPO . .  . . . .realm 2. 

. . . and according to the same noetic16, the sphere he identifies as realm 2 is:

noetic16:
Elijah ascended into heaven. The heaven he ascended to is NOT the dwelling place of God. . . but one of the unknown places God created (The second realm of heaven) which includes the outer space, planets, sun, moon and stars.

So what the heck? Is it: "elijah did NOT ascend/went into heaven" or that "Elijah ascended into heaven"?!?

From the onset, noetic16 was out to deny Scripture - that is his loss, not mine. It was not a question of which "realm" that our discussion was based, so the question of "realm 2" is simply moot. His garboil lately was to hide his confusion under such pretences of "unknown places" - yet, no one is asking the same noetic16 if the realm where the 'outer space, planets, sun, moon and stars' is UNKNOWN?!?

Even if, for the sake of an argument, we allow noetic16 to fool himself further, such an "UNKNOWN" realm 2 does not make any sense - either to himself or to those who stand ready to vacate their own reasoning. Why? Because the realm 2 is KNOWN - otherwise the same noetic16 would not be able to identify that realm in the first place. HOW did he ever come to know that 'realm 2' is the place he identified it if it was UNKNOWN? He was just arguing from emptiness to infer that Elijah went into that sphere where 'outer space, planets, sun, moon and stars' are found - he has absolutely NOTHING to show this from Scripture.

So tell me, Malbron - the same noetic16 who first denied that Elijah went into heaven is the same who came back to admit what he denied: does that help your vacuous statement that you had read through this thread so you can confuse what viaro was all about? First, it was "elijah did NOT ascend/went into heaven" .[color=Black].[/color]. and then "Elijah ascended into heaven" - both from the same person, noetic16! The idiocy in that is really such a comedy to behold; and that is why confused dolts don't impress me with their garbled denials and further cacophony.

Deep Sight:
I really would have thought that it should be clear for him to see and it saddens me that Viaro of all people would possess such a physical reading of a spiritual matter.

@DeepSight, please end your lying - it's beyond you to keep holding out your lies day in and day out. I did not 'possess such a physical reading of spiritual matter', especially when it is clear that you in particular have no understanding of spiritual matters in the first place.

I would have indeed be glad to discuss the issues you first proposed in this thread, but seeing that you have confirmed you're nothing other than a bloody liar, I left you to your adventures. Calm down (if you may) and please show me the direct quotes of the lies you gutlessly ascribed to me - QUOTE ME - or have the decency (if you have any at all) to admit that I never made any of these statements:

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

The moment you admit you were wrong and have acted dubiously to ascribe those lies to me (especially because you can't find that anywhere in any quote of mine), then I would be glad to follow through. If you do not do so (because you cannot find any such quotes), I leave you to continue lying through your yellow teeth.

nopuqeater:
mr viaro if you cant show me the records of how holy spirit fulfilled so quickly the functions of Comforter, i will not espond to you empty rhetorics. i truly think most of the christians are shallow, spiritually lazy, the reason they cop out and say Jesus is responsibile for their salvation, so they calh him God which makes them even more foolish for God is never going to make Himself among humans. Never.

The droll fool here is none other than yourself. In post #9 I've outlined from John's Gospel the very meaning of 'the Comforter' [paracletos] who is 'the Holy Spirit', the same who is called 'the Spirit of Truth'. I have also asked you guys to show me where Allah ever referred to Muhammad as the Spirit or Holy Spirit or Spirit of Truth in your Quran or Hadiths - did you quote me ANY VERSE where that appears in your Quran or Hadith?

Having failed to find where Allah ever referred to Muhammad as such, you crawl in here to threw your insolence as substitute for sanity. Just get lost and drink all the dust in Arabia. Dunce. Next time learn to discuss simply by answering questions straight as requested, instead of failing to do so and then displaying your idiocy on the forum.
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nopuqeater:
@Viaro: « #26 on: Yesterday at 05:47:21 PM » Thanks for confessing that "face to face" does not mean that the form and dimension of God or His full essence is known to Moses, Jacob, Jesus, etc.

Whatever you have made out from "face-to-face" in my explanation, where does your Quran say that Muhammad spoke face-to-face with Allah?

You ran to the hadiths, quoting irrelevant verses where Muhammad saw lote-tree and all sorts, and NONE OF THEM shows where Muhammad ever saw Allah or even spoke 'face-to-face' with Allah! You sound very desperate to show how foolish you can be - keep it up.

nopuqeater:
53:13 And he certainly saw him in another descent
(And verily he saw him (Jibril), in his [true] image, another time,

Is Jibril the same as Allah? Does that tell us that Muhammad saw Allah? Does that tell us that Muhammad spoke 'face-to-face' with Allah? Why are these tales not in your Quran, and yet you're running around to draw on Muhammad seeing (Jibril) - does (Jibril) now equate to Allah?

I have news for you: in your Quran, Muhammad himself deneied ever speaking face-to-face with Allah - 'It is not fitting for a man that God should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with God's permission, what God wills' (Quran 42:51).

And the hadith also attest to the fact that Muhammad never spoke face-to-face with Allah, nor did he see Allah at any time:

[list]Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 378:
Narrated Masruq:

I said to 'Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar:

Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar."

Then Aisha recited the Verse:

'No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things.' (6.103) 'It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil.' (42.51) 'Aisha further said, "And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited:

'No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow.' (31.34) She added: "And whoever tell you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: 'O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord, ' (5.67) 'Aisha added. "But the Prophet saw Gabriel in his true form twice."[/list]

Your desperate attempts to quote all sorts of quotations for Muhammad seeing Allah is a sham. Muhammad did NOT see Allah or speak 'face-to-face' with Allah - your Quran said so; your hadith confirm it many times over! And oh, Gabriel is NOT Allah!

I am quite satisfied that Aisha said that anyone trying to suggest that Muhammad ever saw or spoke 'face-to-face' with Allah is a liar. So, Mr. nopuqeater, please end your lying games - or continue to argue against Aisha and make her words false!

And in the Quran, Allah calls Moses, Musa a Muslim, a prophet. Now how do you fight against this reality of truth? The coptic Egyptians unde Pharaoh, against Musa were disbelievers. The coptic Christians of Egypt say Allah in their native language. Please tell me if the coptic Christian's Allah is not Jewish Yahweh.

I have cited Quran 109 where Muhammad himself denied worshipping the same God as the Biblical prophets, so what's all this excuse you're whipping up?

The funny thing I observe in your rejoinders is that, aside from your desperations, you just do not know how to cover your lies. So you come back with more desperate stories and then try to confuse yourself all the more on the simple things I have asked you.

I wanna go there. So show me. I dare you. Anyone who has a brain will know that a translation is sometimes done very poorly. I have read the thread and I know from all the arabs I spokewith it was not "pupil od the eye" but "the whole eyeball" that was hanging out of the eye socket. Lets go. If I were to translate a story from my language to your language, I may just do a poor job, considering that I am a tail blazer in the two languages. Think, sir. Its good for you, sometimes.

Fine, I take up your challenge - let's have a go at it. Show me any verse in your Quran where Allah said that Muhammad performed that miracle of or on the eye. Let's start from your Quran - because if Allah knows all things, and he certainly knew Muhammad and his activities, he should also have known about Muhammad's miracle of the eye. Please show me where that is recorded in Allah's knowledge in his book - the Quran.

Have you read about what Allah says about the Moon has been split? Read it in Vere 1 of Surah Qamar (The Moon).

Did Allah say that Muhammad split the moon in Sura 54:1?

again, Surah Qamar. And it is not less than a huge Miracle that Quran is not in versions, revisions, editions, remaining in authentic Arabic, if you know what I mean? Look into your Bibles.

I have shown already that your Quran was REDACTED and this is NOT a secret - the third Caliph Uthman revised the Quran and burnt all other copies, we all know. Not only so, there are verses in the Quran that are not there because they are missing and/or cancelled - all these I have shown in this thread and no Muslim has ever produced any of those verses in the Quran you read today. Refresher:

[list]

(2) I gave specific examples of verses which Muslims in Muhammad's time were reciting as PART OF THE REVEALED verses from Allah, verses which no one had any authority to excuse away from the Quran:
¬ "The Missing Verse(s) of the Quran on Stoning"
¬ "The Cancelled Verse(s) of the Martyrs of Badr"
¬ "The Missing Verse(s) of the Quran on Suckling"
What those verses contained are found in the SAHIH hadiths I quoted; but they are NOT found ANYWHERE in the Quran. If you have any Quran verses where they are found, please just simply post the verses and let's read for ourselves. We are not interested in any arguments and excuses you make - ONLY POST THE VERSES and let us read for ourselves. Period.

[/list]

The cheap excuse you give about the Quran you read today are all fallacies. Keep dribbling here and there and playing the desperate soul you are.

nopuqeater:
Show me the blind man Jesus restored his sight, while Muhmmad performed the same type miracle 3 times. We still have th Moon and the Nasa folks supported a possible stress on this celestral body. It is available for everyone to read.

This is where it is recorded in your Quran that Jesus healed the blind:

[list]Sura 3:49 -
And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe.[/list]

[list]see also Quran 5:110[/list]

And your verse in Allah's Quran that Muhammad did the same is . . . . ?!?


Mr. nopuqeater, it's either you don't understand simple English sentences or you're here desperately posting just anything you like to fill this page and help your al-taqiyya so other Muslims like you can be pampered. The simple questions I asked about Muhammad seeing and speaking face-to-face with Allah stands unanswered - the Quran categorically denies it, your Hadiths calls people like you liars for attempting desperately to say Muhammad did so. Should you desire to continue lying, the thread is all yours - continue doing so, for nothing has ever changed about people like you.

^^ there were just TWO quotes right from post #67 I have asked you to QUOTE ME for those lies you made.

These are the two "statements" which you ascribed to me -

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

You have again repeated them here:

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

I have asked you these simple questions:

(a) Where is MY QUOTE for the statement that "Spiritual realms do not exist"??

(b) Where is MY QUOTE for the statement that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death"??

You said those were my "statements" - please QUOTE ME.

Why is that hard to do?

You yet have NOT quoted any post where I made such statements as

(a) "Spiritual realms do not exist"

(b) "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death"

WHY are you delaying and buying time and yet LYING further and not quoting me precisely? Is your lying the very best you can give yourself in this 21st century?

Deep Sight:
Ol boy. . . give up the ghost. . .you're making yourself look really wretched tonite.

I'm unruffled by your LYING, mr DeepLYING.

I gat 8am meeting here in Dar es Salaam and its 1 am here already.

From Dar es Salaam to Nairaland, who cares what time of day you LIE all over the place, ?

Reminder:

viaro:
DeepSight, you're just a bloody liar. End your shame and let Nairaland alone for some sanity.

DeepSight, you're just a bloody liar. End your shame and let Nairaland alone for some sanity.

Deep Sight:
It is rather you who shames us all by not being able to handle straight up logic and bleating about quotes when they have been given to you thrice over.

Where are the thrice over where you have QUOTED ME for these lies ?? --

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

(a) Where is MY QUOTE for the statement that "Spiritual realms do not exist"??

(b) Where is MY QUOTE for the statement that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death"??

You said those were my "statements" - please QUOTE ME.

Why is that hard to do?

DeepSight,

You shame whoever is connected with you. This is over 30 posts now (from post #67) where I asked you to QUOTE ME on these lies you asserted were my statements:

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

I just wanted to see you QUOTE ME instead of lying further and excusing the fact of what I have challenged you with. Maybe I should help you: no such statements appear anywhere in any of my posts - and you can keep lying from now till the next millenium and yet unable to QUOTE ME for those statements.

I have had an absolutely swell laugh at your idiocy. . .  because the fellow who tried to persuade me that you had returned from your exile a better discussant will now know better and stop bugging me with your deepsh[color=Black]itty lyi[/color]ng spree. The only thing that brought me back to this thread was to show him just one fact: that the deepsh[color=Black]it[/color] known as 'DeepSight' is an irredeemable LIAR - for we can go back and forth from now till morning and over 300 pages in this thread, and you DeepSight will not be able to QUOTE ME for the lies you asserted were my statements.

Enjoy being such a boring LIAR.

Deep Sight:
From Viaro -

O, i see you have conceded the first one: namely that it is PROVEN that you assert that God lives in heaven in a physical body. . . now you are concentrating on the other two, ehn?

You're an absolutely illiterate IDIOT!

From post #67 I have concentrated on just these two LIES you ascribed to viaro -

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

You made no progress but kept running between pillar and post lying all the more! Shame.

Please QUOTE ME and let's read where your lies appear in any one of my posts about those two statements you lied into my rejoinders.

Deep Sight:
If you will read the thread you will see that it was him i FIRST attacked for saying that.

Attack him all you want - both of you can wage your lying war against each other for all I care. At least, you have not ascribed these to him:

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

Those are the LIES you ascribed to me that I want you to resolve by QUOTING ME.

Why is that too hard for you to handle?

noetic16:
It is DISHONEST IMO to quote me out of context or to attempt to misrepresent my post.

The dishonesty is yours, keep it. If I have quoted you out of context, please show instead of grumbling and showing nothing.

noetic16:
Elijah ascended into heaven. The heaven he ascended to is NOT the dwelling place of God. . . but one of the unknown places God created (The second realm of heaven) which includes the outer space, planets, sun, moon and stars.

You denied that Elijah went up into heaven - I have repeated the several quotes showing your categorical denials. To now come back fine-tuning your denials to become an "unknown places" is just a sham! We KNOW about the realm of heaven you describe as including the outer space, planets, sun, moon and stars - so what absolute rubbish are you on about?

Please find better ways to lie - you bore me already!

noetic16:
For the umpteenth time . . . .Elijah did NOT ascend into the heaven where Jehovah God dwells.

2 Kings 2:1 & 11 - Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. That has always been the simple quote I left you without trying to adjust it to the realms of the outer space, sun, moon, stars and all such things you called "unknown places".

Deep Sight:
You SAID that Jesus Ascended with his physical body to heaven -

And noetic16 also said that; which is not the same thing as these two lies you ascribed to me:

[list](a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

[/list]

Where are those statements in the quote you drew from me here -

Deep Sight:
Quote from: viaro on April 09, 2010, 08:32 PM -

It is very conceivable for the material to enter into the spiritual or 'intangible'. Such was the case with Enoch, such is the case of the ascension of Christ, and such is the case of His appearing among His disciples while the doors were shut (John 20:19).

It is not illogical - your own argument is both extreme and illogical. When Jesus rose from the dead, His disciples were able to touch and handle Him (John 20:27). With that same glorified body, He ascended into heaven (Acts 1:9).

What part of the quotes above do we read these LIES you ascribed to me -

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

WHY are you not man enough to deal with your duplicity? Does your lying on Nairaland make you a better person, DeepSight? Why do you enjoy lying without conscience on Nairaland?

Deep Sight:
O, farf off.

You SAID that Jesus Ascended with his physical body to heaven -

Quote from: viaro on April 09, 2010, 08:32 PM -

Is Jesus no longer God? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Joker.

That is not what I have been asking you; and I have shown precisely what I have been asking. Pretending you can no longer read is hardly surprising.

So please answer my query or just be the lying twerp you are:

I am rather asking you on these two lies you have boldly asserted repeatedly:

Deep Sight:
Here are the very clear statements you have made once again –

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

I am asking you to please QUOTE ME and end your cheap rotten lies. . . . or forever remain the absolutely deep-shi[color=Black]tty lying id[/color]iot you have always been!

Deep Sight:
^^^ Sir, why do you keep returning after announcing your exit from the thread - twice?

I made clear that I would return if need be, no?

Deep Sight:
Perhaps you have something to prove from your inanities about God (Jesus - you say he is God) rising to heaven with a physical body?

Was that what I asked you to QUOTE ME on the lies you categorically told on Nairaland?

Here again:

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DeepSight,

I am rather asking you on these two lies you have boldly asserted repeatedly:

Deep Sight:
Here are the very clear statements you have made once again –

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

I am asking you to please QUOTE ME and end your cheap rotten lies. . . . or forever remain the absolutely deep-shi[color=Black]tty lying id[/color]iot you have always been!

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Were you hoping that I'd just leave you to get away with you shameless lying? Try me.

noetic16:
1. I have denied nothing. Jesus says elijah did not go into heaven. The scriptures say Elijah went into heaven.

So wait. . . you now admit that the Scriptures say that Elijah went into heaven? How does that square with your denials earlier outlined - viz:

[list](a)

noetic16:
I have established why elijah did NOT go to heaven . . . . . .what u choose to do with your ignorance is up to u

(b)

noetic16:
The chronologies establish the FACT that elijah did NOT ascend/went into heaven.

(c)

noetic16:
3. Enoch and Elijah did NOT ascend into heaven . . . . to claim so is to say that Jesus lied.

(d)

noetic16:
There is no reason to believe that Enoch or Elijah went to heaven/realm of the spiritual. . . . .and there are several notions that support this truth . . . ,

[/list]

Do any of the above sound like your recent admission of "The scriptures say Elijah went into heaven" after you initially denied the fact?

noetic16:
. . .I showed u the three meanings of heaven in the bible. So Jesus was not lying when He said Elijah did not go into heaven. Elijah also sent a letter long after his whirl wind experience.

Please. You categorically denied what 2 Kings 2:1 & 11 declared after I had posted it several times, only to now come back crawling to excuse your denials? Just pass.

noetic16:
2. If Elijah went to any heaven. . , it was another realm.

Kindly stop dancing between two opinions. It is either Elijah went "into heaven" as Scripture says in 2 Kings 2:1 & 11, or noetic16 is denying that is what is written as he has done earlier. Which is it? You have chosen previously to deny that is what Scripture says, and your excuses are not making anything better for you.

noetic16:
3. I am sure if u objectively read the posts of this thread in a couple of days time. . , .u will see clearly the message I shared with u in it.

I'm sorry to say already that i'm not a slow reader and I have seen enough in your denials to know there's nothing new in your posts.

noetic16:
4. I believe the case for this thread is closed.

It was long overdue.

Okay folks (DeepSight and noetic16), I'm out of here. This thread already stinks with your multiplied duplicity and I can't do anything about it.

Enjoy.

DeepSight,

I am rather asking you on these two lies you have boldly asserted repeatedly:

Deep Sight:
Here are the very clear statements you have made once again –

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

I am asking you to please QUOTE ME and end your cheap rotten lies. . . . or forever remain the absolutely deep-shi[color=Black]tty lying id[/color]iot you have always been!

Deep Sight:
No one is a fool here son.

You, mr Deepshit are the only one playing fool in this thread, incase you haven't noticed. I specified what I was enquiring and challenging you about - and the precise quotes (if they exists) would have solved all this for you.

But because you're such a deceitful fool, you ascribe your lies to me and then hope to walk off free of charge? Please just slow down - the irredeemable liar you are is again showing up.

Deep Sight:
Aa man cannot state that he has two oranges in his left and and two oranges in his right hand and then deny that he has stated that he is carrying four oranges in his hands.

I did not quote oranges for you. Please cut to the chase and QUOTE ME directly for what you have ascribed to me! That's all. WHY IS THAT so difficult for you to do?

Deep Sight:
You are unable to contest the toddlers logic set up here and I will leave you to the vicious circle of your denials.

There was NO LOGIC in your duplicity. You must really be such a waste where you work - Dubai, or in your bedroom with fusty pyjamas?

Deep Sight:
Your words are simple.

I'm grateful - but they don't include your lies.

Deep Sight:
You stated that Jesus rose into heaven with his physical body.

Oh, might I remind you that NOETIC16 made that statement as well? Here:

[list]

noetic16:
Jesus ascended into heaven (an intangible realm) with His physical body (tangible). . . . . .thus nullifying your assertion. I do not for a milli-second assume that human bodies cannot ascend into heaven,  .

[/list]

I am rather asking you on these two lies you have boldly asserted repeatedly:

Deep Sight:
Here are the very clear statements you have made once again –

(a)

Deep Sight:
2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

I am asking you to please QUOTE ME and just end this cheap rotten lies of your deep deceit. . . or remain the absolutely deep shi[color=Black]tty id[/color]iot you have always been!

mr DeepSight,

I have specified the statements from the onset that I challenge that you quote me:

Deep Sight:
Here are the very clear statements you have made once again –

So please quote my posts and show me where I made those very clear statements such as these:

(a)

Deep Sight:

2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

Pease WHERE did viaro state that Spiritual realms do not exist? QUOTE ME.

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(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

Pease WHERE did viaro state that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death"? QUOTE ME.

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You would just have to QUOTE ME showing that those were "very clear statements" which I made. WHERE did I make any such statements, mr. DeepLYING?


Those are the specific statements I am asking you to address and stop playing the lying coward you have always been! Your hideous penchant to deceive yourself from the onset was only a matter of time before it showed. Address those two specifics which from the first instance were things I asked you to address and stop being cheap and rotten.

@DeepSight,

Deep Sight:
Here are the very clear statements you have made once again –

So please quote my posts and show me where I made those very clear statements such as these:

(a)

Deep Sight:

2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

Pease WHERE did viaro state that Spiritual realms do not exist? QUOTE ME.

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(b)

Deep Sight:
3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

Pease WHERE did viaro state that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death"? QUOTE ME.

---

You would just have to QUOTE ME showing that those were "very clear statements" which I made. WHERE did I make any such statements, mr. DeepLYING?

^^ DeepSight, for the umpteenth time, set your LYING aside and attend to these lies you have posted:

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Deep Sight:
Here are the very clear statements you have made once again –

Let us see -

Deep Sight:

2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

Where did you see in any of my quotes that I made such a statement? Please quote me precisely as appears in that quote you made out, so we know for certain that you're not being dubious yet again, thanks.

Deep Sight:
a. You state that physical things enter into spiritual realms bodily

I did - and I gave examples. I did not see you discuss them other than deny them. That's quite easy. But please do show me where I ever in any line stated that "spiritual realms do not exist" - please where did you see that in viaro's posts in this thread?

Deep Sight:
b. If that is the case such realms are not immaterial anymore – as they contain material things

That is not what I sadi at anytime. If you disagree, please quote me as appears in my posts and let us read it instead of ascribing false statements to me.

Deep Sight:
c. It follows that immaterial realms do not exist

Is that statement part of what you meant by "Here are the very clear statements you have made once again"?? Is the above a "statement" viaro made? WHERE? Please quote me, just so we know you're not here lying once again.

Deep Sight:

3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

Please DeepSight, where did viaro make any such statements? Just quote me precisely and let others read where you found that statement in my posts.

You see, DeepSight, I do have to say once again that you're a hideous and gutless liar on Nairaland. It is beyond shame and sham that you would go about ascribing statements to me that I NEVER in any post in this thread or heretofore made. I would appreciate that you lie to those who like you doing so and not drag me along your duplicity. I have the pleasure of showing the fellow who tried to persuade me that you may have a good intent in this thread to now come and see the idiocy of your lying spree. Enjoy.

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It is important that you DeepSight quote my posts and show me where viaro ever made any such STATEMENTS that you have acsribed to me. I will continue to hold you as the gutless liar you are on Nairaland if you can't be man enough to show where I ever made the statements you ascribed to me directly.