dawnomike:
Tinubu has just provem to be insensitive to the plight and concerns of many about equity in the country ...

Please it's not Tinubu. It's Yoruba moslem

casualobserver:


Herd mentality works on you people because you are not capable of thinking independently, the yoruba man has always been capable of thinking independently, that’s why even before Tinubu announced his running mate there are yorubas for APC, PDP and LP! We are not like you!!!!!!!

You mean the SW I am living in?



Herds mentality works in SW more than anywhere else. That's why every movement or protest starts in Lagos.

garfield1:


This is why obi will lose.he thinks everybody is a saint.even in university,people pay to get good grades.even the church is corrupt.on election day,10k per voter and obi loses

You can't hack BVAS

10k per grade, we will collect but you will not know whether I vote for Tinubu or not. Go check the new electoral guideline, smartphone are not allowed in the voting cubicles.



Again, buying votes for 10k means you will need 150 billion to get 15 million votes and vote buying in that scale will lead to election cancellation

garfield1:


That is where you fail.its like saying hacking doesnt exists

Na you want hack am?

casualobserver:


You are not yoruba, you were never going to vote for Tinubu. I have told you you don’t know how to debate because you are clouded by emotion. Your view and that of others in the church who aren’t yorubas is irrelevant to the discussion because you were never going to vote for Tinubu. Learn to stay focused!!!!

You guys underestimates the power of herd mentality.

Do you think a lot of people joined the EndSARS because they wanted, they joined because of what we call FOMO in marketing

casualobserver:


Jesus wept!!!!! You really need help!!!!

Ok

But if you are not accredited by BVAS, just go home and cry. No remedy

garfield1:


You dont know what you are saying.no data transmit automatically.only the apo 1 can do that just as the p.o transmit results.if you have any friend in ratech,ask them serious questions about the bvas.you and obi will cry rigging very soon

I know about the BVAS more than you.

When I said transmitted automatically, I mean the number of accredited voters can't be tampered with and it's transmitted when you transmit the election result.

But it transmit voters registration data to INEC database automatically

The LGBT+ are not endorsing any Atiku. Go listen on their Twitter space and you will be surprised to hear they are Obi-dient.

They know only a Christian president can take care of them more than moslems

casualobserver:

Clearly you were never a member of the debating society in school. You argue pointlessly!!!! A pastor has only 1 vote! So what if a pastor says he is obidient?

I have said all I need to say on the matter. Yorubas are 50% Christian, 50% Muslim. The people who were not voting for Tinubu have already made up their minds not to vote for him, whether he picks Christian or Muslim VP. Those Christians that were going to vote for him, will not say because of religion, they will vote for Atiku or Obi. In any event Yorubas like I said are 50% Christian, 50% Muslim so he has a 50% block in his pocket!!!

The race for the presidency was never going to be won in Lagos. That is why he chose a VP from a state with 90% loyal votes!!!

Like I said, keep deceiving yourself.

A pastor has more than 1 vote in Nigeria and we listen to him. We are voting for the FAITH.

You mean a VP that supervised the kidnapping of Christian Chibok girls?

casualobserver:


You really shouldn’t be debating. you are all over the place! Because you are guided by emotion not objectivity. Maybe in your quiet time you will realize the error of what you just posted..

You should take some time to study the new electoral guideline. It's not business as usual.

If you are not accredited, just go home and cry. No manual voting

casualobserver:


You are clearly not very enlightened, informed on how elections work. I am not going to engage you any further on BVAS because I know your type, you will continue to argue….without facts or evidence.

Throwing tantrums won't change the electoral guideline.

casualobserver:

So let me show the futility of your unsubstantiated claims from the point of view of the law. Your argument if I recall was that the huge numbers in the North will not count because they won’t be able to vote because of BVAS. I have been telling you throughout this thread to talk like an educated man but since you have failed let me educate you.

Yes. It will disenfranchise many people by failing to authenticate a lot of PVCs.

casualobserver:

To educate you, I will take you back to Osun state elections if 2018. The results were close and a some areas in Ife were unable to vote. What happened?….the number of voters in that area was significant enough to alter the result of the election such that a new election had to be ordered in those affected areas. Apc did a deal with Onisore before the rerun and Omisore delivered those voters and Oyetola became governor.

Old electoral law.

In the new law, INEC declares inconclusive election based on number of collected PVCs not total registered voters. This will only happen if the number of voided votes is more than the margin of win.

casualobserver:


The relevance you ask? If voters are disenfranchised and the number of voters in that area are large enough to alter the result of an election, a winner cannot be announced until elections are held in those areas!!! So rest assured bogus BVAS claims or not, elections will be held in the North, either on the day of general elections or they will be rescheduled. The numbers you are afraid of voting WILL vote, one way or another because they are large enough to affect the outcome!!!!!

It's seems you don't understand how Nigeria election works.

If the BVAS accredit only 100k people out of the 3 million Borno registered voters, only that number will vote. The rest will go home and cry.

If these 100k people vote and Peter Obi wins Atiku with just 100 votes but voided votes is less than 100, let's say 50, INEC will declare the election as conclusive.

INEC will only call for rerun if the number of voided votes is more than 100.

Only those accredited by BVAS will vote and some device will definitely malfunction.

garfield1:


See childishness.so if you give me your phone or laptop,I cannot compromise it? You obi fans are funny.better be honest.any technological device can be compromised... Let's sat for example in polling unit 1 primary school okoro,there are 500 voters.the ratech guy will set it at 400.once election is over,they will simply post apc 390 pdp 10 others 0.you obi fans will as usual wail about rigging

Sorry.

Online INEC registration is nothing. You must use the BVAS to complete the registration. When you do, the device automatically transfer your record to INEC server.

If you are posted to PU 1, and given a BVAS device, you will sign in and use it to download the voters data into that device. You can manipulate the data because it's encrypted.

To vote, the BVAS have to accredit your PVC. If it accredits 10 out of that 500 registered voters, it will transmit that to the server. You can't manipulate it.

During election, if the PU Officer uploads a result showing more than 10 votes, INEC will void the entire election in that PU.

No rigging for APC

So Tinubu is running with a Moslem that allowed terrorists to kidnap Chibok girls?

Ttalk:


You see the problem I have with the Obidients, their brain is filled with dust and their reasoning is so dangerous even to themselves.

You want me to vote Obi but where there are just 2 choice to pick from, you'll rather dash your choice to a stranger.

How old are you to be reasoning like a toddler.

Go and vote your Atiku but never you except any SWner to vote you. You will definitely harvest what you sow

Keep wailing. Nigeria Sai Obi

casualobserver:
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I don’t know how many times I will tell you this, they are preaching to people who were never going to vote for Tinubu even if he chose a Christian vp. As for noise, the noise coming from the SW is coming from non indigenes living in the SW. again these people were never going to vote for Tinubu.

Keep deceiving yourself.

Even my pastor in LFC is OBIdient. We are voting for the FAITH

garfield1:


I have told you that the bvas dont need to accredit.stop being naive.do you realize that the bvas for each polling unit are at the state and LGA offices? Will you stop politicians from going there to manipulate it before elections? Do you think angels work inec

You must accredit with BVAS to vote. Any irregularity will void the election at the PU and there will be no re-run.

You can't manipulate the BVAS. It transmits directly to INEC. Only manual collation happens at the LGA.

If it doesn't tally with the BVAS, the PU will be voided.

The only way you can rig election is by vote buying and INEC has banned used of smartphone in voting cubicles, so if I collect your money, I'll still vote for my candidate.

casualobserver:


Please talk like you education has taught you how to reason properly. For the umpteenth time, a network is only required to download polling user data, software updates prior to the beginning of voting. Once voting starts, users are verified against data that has already been downloaded on the BVAS. When election is finished, BVAS requires a network to transmit. Is this so difficult for you to process?

Keep deceiving yourself.

Each BVAS is loaded with about 64 GB before you take it to the polling unit. If the device malfunctions and you call INEC, their response is always:

Connect the device to the internet and refresh.

If you like refresh, if you don't have 4G, it will be slow. Some machines won't even authenticate.

If the machine doesn't need network and can read downloaded data seamlessly, why is it malfunctioning.

If the machine fails to authenticate you, just go home and cry. Nothing else

garfield1:


Oga,it just needs normal network.by the way,borno has almost 3 million voters

BVAS needs 4G network to work well.

BVAS can't accredit all of them. At the end of the day, they will not give more than 300k votes.

Watch

casualobserver:


No I am telling you that religion is not and has traditionally never been a divisive issue for us in the SW. There is no family in the SW that doesnt have christians and muslims. I have very close relatives that I didnt even know their father was a muslim till I was a well grown adult, in fact until when he died and they buried him according to muslim rites. i have classmates that are muslim, weve mixed together, drink together, chased women together all our lives in peace until you people brought your religious disharmony. We eat Salah meat together and eat christmas chicken together, infact we yoruba christians ldont mess around with ileya meat....whose house are we going!! You probably can't fathom what i am saying because you are not yoruba.

At the moment, most of the pastors preaching against Moslem Moslem ticket on their pulpits are Yorubas.

Wait till Tinubu unveils Shettima and the noise will deafening.

garfield1:


You are not getting it.Nigeria system is extremely corrupt.nothing is sure, the bvas will disappoint you badly.long before that election, those remote states will work on the bvas and preconfigure everything.everything is planned already to make sure each unit gets at leat 300 accredited voters whether they turnout or not.all pdp and lp agents will be compromised or intimidated.elections are now being rigged at the units no more collation centres... Whether people vote or not, 95% votes will go to apc in any polling units...
As for 4g network, borno recorded over 500,,,000 online registration so leave that side...
Between 1999-2011 when nigeria used manual accreditation, Igbo states were recording millions of votes even more than the north.but with card readers,you guys wrtr exposed and your real figures showed.again,apc and PDP are in almost all parts of Igbo land so you cannot rig easily

Borno recorded over 500,000 online registrations but only 180,000 has completed the in-person registration. Don't forget only the BVAS can complete that process and it required 4G.

casualobserver:


It is clear You are not a yoruba man.

Of course, it should be clear.

You are only holding your stance and pushing the Tinubu will win in the North narrative because you are a Yoruba man.

If Tinubu VP ticket fails to go to NW, he will lose NW woefully. It it goes to NW, he will lose NE woefully.

casualobserver:


My friend I have told you I don’t know much about BVAS but from what I have read in the last few minutes. Network is not required for verification and voting. A network is only required to download PU data before election and for transmitting.

I am not interested in your words, like I have said previously , you talk more out of hope than (with due respect) facts logic and common sense. I deal in facts and logic. An electoral body cannot deploy a system that disenfranchises voters, common sense would tell anyone with common sense that. It is grounds for cancellation or invalidating an election!!! Giving examples of pilot rollout where teething problems are expected is clutching at straws

You don't know and you are still arguing.

Do you expect INEC to tell you that their machine needs 4G to work properly? You are funny if you expect that.
I
Ifou don't connect that machine to a 4G it will malfunction. If it doesn't malfunction, it will take long to read the cards.

casualobserver:



The difference between you and I is that there is logic and reason to my assertions and none to yours but blind hope!

Tinubus voters are mainly in the SW and in the North. SE and SS are not voting for him so he is not going to lose any votes there because he chooses a mulsim.

That leaves North and SW.


SW are liberal, (by SW I mean Yorubas) we grew up with muslims, we have family and friends that are muslims, we have hard core catholics/pentecostals married to muslims, religion is and has never been an issue until certain people started to use it for politics, I am a christian!!! He will lose a few votes but not that many. Nobody in the SW is going to withdraw his/her vote against Tinubu because he chose a muslim-muslim and then cast their vote for Atiku . As for those in the SW who will vote Peter OBi, mostly the English speaking youth and some of theeducated elite, they have already made up their minds to vote Peter Obi whether he chooses Muslim or Christian. Also dont get carried away by their presence on Social media, these people are the loudest but they are a minority!!! 80% of the electorate in both the North and the south vote based on criteria different from the English speaking educated/ Twitter elite. if you put together in a crowd all the yorubas supporting peter Obi, I doubt you will fill a 60,0000 stadium!! Dont confuse SW with yorubas, there are many people who live in the SW who arent yorubas, many were never voting for Tinubu to begin with, most are PDP voters who will vote Obi. So no need to appease them!!!

that leaves the North

Tinubu is losing no votes in the North because he chooses a Muslim muslim ticket. If anything he gains votes in the North. He will lose some Northern Christians but he will gain/ retain more Northern muslims that may have ported to Atiku.

Thats how you come to a logical conclusion, not by pipedreams and fantasy!!!

Wait till he announces his moslem VP first.

If you think a typical Moslem Northerner will vote Tinubu because he chose a Moslem VP over Kwankwanso and Atiku, then it means you have been to the North before.

Again, Moslem NW will never leave Kwankwanso and Atiku to vote for a Moslem VP from NE.

Tinubu has a Christian wife he has refused to convert and this will count.

Most of the Northerners who will vote for Tinubu are those who will still vote for him if he picks a Christian VP.

Tinubu can never win more Moslem votes than Kwankwanso and Atiku. Now with the Moslem-Moslem ticket, he will lose Christian votes in the North.

He will also lose some SW Christian votes.

It's here I always hear religion don't matter in the SW. I live in Lagos and I can tell you it does.

Some Yoruba Christians don't even trust their Moslems 100%

casualobserver:


I think youve got it all wrong. BVAS only needs a network to download the polling unit data for voter verification and software updates on to the device, these would clearly have been done before voting. BVAS does not require a network for verification because the data it is veryfying against is already on the device. The only time BVAS requires a network is after voting when it will require a network to transmit the results and the scanned EC8 form.

If this is true, why is the BVAS recording less than 90% success rate?

The BVAS can verify with internet but to work hitch-free you will need to connect it to a 4G network.

During Anambra election, many of the machines malfunctioned until connected to the internet.

I still stand on my words, with the BVAS, the North will not be able to return their huge numbers again

garfield1:


It will not be like that in borno and yobe.the place is remote and insecure.apc agents will dominate everywhere and agents will transmit what will favour apc

You keep deceiving yourself

BVAS need 4G to work to accredit voters and it transmits the number of accredited voters automatically. Again, polling unit results are nearly accurate.

Even if there are 100 APC members and 10 LP members, the result will still reflect that, because everyone there almost know themselves and are not likely to change the result.

Electoral malpractice at the polling unit is only through inducement.

The main rigging happens in collation centres not polling unit.

It seems you have not voted in Nigeria election before.

If rigging is as simple as you think, SE will be returning millions of votes and nobody will rig pass us because of our bloc votes.

It's Peter Obi or Atiku takes over.

A sick man shouldn't be allow to rule a sick nation.

casualobserver:


A lot of Nigerians talk out of hope rather than facts and empirical evidence. You clearly fall into the latter!!!

Says someone who believes that Tinubu will win with Moslem-Moslem ticket.

Thanks God for BVAS that will stop their rigging.

casualobserver:


I need to research this because it makes no sense!

Check current INEC guideline.

You can learn about the BVAS here

https://dailytrust.com/explainer-what-inecs-bvas-means-and-how-to-minimise-its-failure-during-elections

casualobserver:


I won’t argue. But to expect him to win any state outside the the SE is delusional. Maybe at the next cycle but not 2023.

SE

SS

NC

North Christian Votes, including Southerner Kaduna

Already in the bag. With the BVAS, Kano and Katsina will struggle to release their dubious 2m votes.

casualobserver:



My friend I do not understand BVAS but common sense dictates that INEC cannot deploy a system that disenfranchises voters. If there are areas where BVAS does not work, an alternative must exist by law. you cannot say because there is no signal in my area I cannot vote

Accreditation is only via BVAS and it uses 4G network. The device transmits automatically the number of accredited votes.

If you are not accredited, go home. That the new guideline.

casualobserver:

let him win his SE states first, if he manages that he would have done well!!!

It's already in the bag

garfield1:


You dont get it.all you need to do is to match the numbers in the bvas to the total votes.

You are the one that don't get it, only voters accredited by BVAS can vote and the device requires 4G to work optimally.

MTN the largest network provider in Nigeria has 60% 4G penetration.

A lot people will be disenfranchised in the North.

Also, the main election rigging don't happen in the polling unit, because of the open counting system and the fact that most of the voters know themselves.

The main rigging happens during collations. With electronic transmission, voting padding will be eliminated as the results are transmitted from the polling unit together with scanned copy of the signed results.

If you have ever voted in Nigeria elections, you will know that it's difficult to tamper with polling unit results.

Everyone will be there during sorting and voters count with the electoral officers during counting.

Everyone watches as they write the result and at the end, the agents will sign.

With BVAS, the polling officers will transmit results electronically, together with a scanned copy of the result.

So how you want take rig am.

If Buhari was on the ballot, he will never sign the electoral law, just as he did in 2018