Most Celebrated Pastors Are Fake —Cleric
Posted To The Web: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - Jide Osokoya

http://news.onlinenigeria.com/templates/?a=12045&z=12

Most Nigerian celebrated general overseers, founders and pastors have been described as deceitful people who capitalise on the efficacy of God to defraud innocent devotees.

This allegation was made by the shepherd and head of the Celestial Church of Christ (CCC), Elisha Parish, Dr. Marcus Tibetan, during the launch of the book of his predictions for 2010 in his church on Sunday.

miffed by the way most pastors preach prosperity and breakthroughs instead of salvation of lost souls, the shepherd said most of the pastors are fake and they need serious deliverance to avoid the wrath of God.

According to Prophet Tibetan, “most of those popular pastors you see on television screens have no calling of God, they called themselves just to turn the church into a business centre. Their attitudes have shown that they are not of God.

“Look at a situation where a church established secondary schools and universities that are very exorbitant for children of their poor members, who they drain to put such schools in place.

“A church is supposed to be where the hopeless will get hope and sinners will get salvation. But here in Nigeria, pastors now compete on who is the richest and struggle over who should acquire a jet first. Don’t you think they need deliverance themselves?” the Celestia clergy queried.

In his 2010 predictions, the clergy, who predicted Gani Fawehinmi’s death this year, Obama’s emergence as America’s president, the victory of Dr. Segun Mimiko over Segun Agagu and the incarceration of Chief Bode George, among others, said those who embezzled Nigeria’s money would start to reap their reward from 2010.

The top seer, who is referred to as the Nostrademus of our time by his teeming followers, revealed that only mechanised farming would save Nigeria’s economy in 2010, thus advising all the governors across the nation to make mechanised farming a compulsory project in their states.

He further urged Nigerians to pray more fervently for President Umar Yar’Adua to survive his present ailment, emphasising that prayer had been the sustaining factor for the sick president. He revealed that the president would have died last July, but God divinely spared his life.

Prophet Tibetan also warned against political crisis in Anambra, Ogun and Ondo states in 2010, adding that Lagos, as a state, is equally playing with snakes politically. He cautioned against selection and hand-picking of political candidates, saying such acts would lead to chaos.

I bet he can't even prove his theory.

Hehe. . was that even a theory?

What he said is not out of place. He is right.

True; but that is neither new nor prophetic, IMO. Some of the things he said there have been discussed here on Nairaland already - and those who had the foresight to articulate these worrying political decimals in Nigeria are not posing as prophets and/or prophetesses.

Another thing in particular that gives me sleepless nights is the idea of schools and universities established by some of these Nigerian megastars in mega-ministries (pardon the pun). I don't have a clue what the situation on ground is; but if it is true that these institutions are exorbitant in the fees they charge, methinks that prospective students should boycott them and look to Universities that would give them a sound future.

viaro:

True; but that is neither new nor prophetic, IMO. Some of the things he said there have been discussed here on Nairaland already - and those who had the foresight to articulate these worrying political decimals in Nigeria are not posing as prophets and/or prophetesses.

Another thing in particular that gives me sleepless nights is the idea of schools and universities established by some of these Nigerian megastars in mega-ministries (pardon the pun). I don't have a clue what the situation on ground is; but if it is true that these institutions are exorbitant in the fees they charge, methinks that prospective students should boycott them and look to Universities that would give them a sound future.

Good education is not cheap.

viaro:

Hehe. . was that even a theory?

What's it then?

I thought its high d name names of fake men of God n stop all this side talks,as real prophets they should be fearless.good education doesn't come cheap even in developed countries.

Aloy.Emeka:

Good education is not cheap.

sharap there. . , should the aim of a mission school be charity or profit making?

Why are the fees at par or even more than secular universities like igbinedion and co who are out to make profits?

I had course mates who in the course of their studies lost their parents and were subsequently kicked outta school because they couldn't afford the fees. . . .tell me, is that what jesus woulda done?

Tudór:

sharap there. . , should the aim of a mission school be charity or profit making?

Why are the fees at par or even more than secular universities like igbinedion and co who are out to make profits?

I had course mates who in the course of their studies lost their parents and were subsequently kicked outta school because they couldn't afford the fees. . . .tell me, is that what jesus woulda done?

Oyedepo's university is not a profit making venture, I swear. Maintaining a university to meet world standards is not cheap.

Are igbinedion and bells profit making ventures?

Aloy.Emeka:

What he said is not out of place. He is right.

I hope you know that it is criminals like your Bishop Oledepo that this thread is refering too, yet you have the presence of mind to be defending him when it is very obvious he is the chief culprit.

Aloy.Emeka:

Good education is not cheap.

But the missionaries were able to provide [and still do] high quality free/ subsidized education to our parents and grandparents which has been a blessing to our generations unborn. ANd it was church funds that was used to build and maintain these instituitions. Today the what charlartans like Oledepo are doing is to profit from it after deceiving his church members to contribute to the project giving them the impression he was doing it for God, yet he can't even offer the real financiers of the school who gave sacrificially to the establishment of the conglomerate scholarship or subsidies to their children. I also hear he charges exhorbitantly in the school clinic / hostipals which form a part of his conglomerate eyt he claims to be doing God's work, does he read his bible at all[if he truly as one]? I laugh in ota tongues.

Tudór:

Are igbinedion and bells profit making ventures?

Yes but not Oyedepo.

KunleOshob:

I hope you know that it is criminals like your Bishop Oledepo that this thread is refering too, yet you have the presence of mind to be defending him when it is very obvious he is the chief culprit.

But the missionaries were able to provide [and still do] high quality free/ subsidized education to our parents and grandparents which has been a blessing to our generations unborn. ANd it was church funds that was used to build and maintain these instituitions. Today the what charlartans like Oledepo are doing is to profit from it after deceiving his church members to contribute to the project giving them the impression he was doing it for God, yet he can't even offer the real financiers of the school who gave sacrificially to the establishment of the conglomerate scholarship or subsidies to their children. I also hear he charges exhorbitantly in the school clinic / hostipals which form a part of his conglomerate eyt he claims to be doing God's work, does he read his bible at all[if he truly as one]? I laugh in ota tongues.

Oyedepo is not the only pastor who has a private jet in Nigeria. Stop hating and be happy that God blessed him. You too can be blessed like him. Do you have any proof that he makes profit from Covenant university or the associated clinics?

So what is he insinuating, that him that is not celebrated is original. . . . . . original my foot, almost all of dem are the same, looking for gullible members to devour

Aloy.Emeka:

Yes but not Oyedepo.

Then why are the fees at CU basically same with those if not more in some cases?

And wahala entered the land!

No one has d right to say a pastor is fake or not, go to church if u want to n let them do their thing.

Tudór:

Then why are the fees at CU basically same with those if not more in some cases?

The fees are not the same. get your facts right before broadcasting them.

Aloy.Emeka:

Oyedepo's university is not a profit making venture, I swear. Maintaining a university to meet world standards is not cheap.

I don't understand, Aloy. Are you trying to say that Oyedepo's university makes no profit whatsoever, even in trying to meet world standards? How do we separate 'profit' from the high fees - or, how are the 'high fees' meant to be understood?

viaro:

I don't understand, Aloy. Are you trying to say that Oyedepo's university makes no profit whatsoever, even in trying to meet world standards? How do we separate 'profit' from the high fees - or, how are the 'high fees' meant to be understood?

The high fees is to maintain world class standards. Don't you know the government subsidize our federal and state universities?

Aloy.Emeka:

The fees are not the same. get your facts right before broadcasting them.

Mr Man i'll have you know i attended the school and the fees were par with friends of mine in other profit making private institutions. You cannot lie and deceive me.

Why should I deceive you. How much was your fees and how did other schools differ from yours?

Aloy.Emeka:

Don't you know the government subsidize our federal and state universities?

Well, I often hear about that (please pardon my not knowing that much in reality).

The high fees is to maintain world class standards.

People often say that; but I'm just wondering - How do we separate 'profit' from the high fees - or, how are the 'high fees' meant to be understood?.

Let me put it like this: there are indeed some Universities that are 'for-profit', an example being the University of Phoenix (UPX) in North America which is 'a private for-profit institution of higher learning' (Wikipedia). Some other universities are 'not for profit' institutions; e.g., the University of St. La Salle, apart from being a Catholic private university, is also a 'non-stock and non-profit corporation' (see Wikipedia again).

Now, one wonders where the Oyedepo's example falls into - a 'for-profit' or 'non-profit' institution?

I deliberately chose both examples above to reflect the fact of a university governed by religious principles (as in the case of La Salle University). But if you consider another example in context of the 'world standard' that you have talked about, then consider Stanford University and this report below:

Stanford University last week reported a 10 percent increase in revenues, which fueled a 77 percent jump in profits for the fiscal year ended Aug. 31.

The university reported a $250 million profit, compared with $141 million the prior year.

In a statement released Dec. 21, just before the Christmas holidays, Stanford said its revenues jumped 10 percent in fiscal 2007 to $3.2 billion, from $2.9 billion in 2006. Expenses increased six percent to $2.9 billion, up from $2.7 billion the prior year, resulting in significantly enhanced profitability.

http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2007/12/31/daily10.html

Aloy, this question concerning Oyedepo's university is not all that important as to cause a furor for me. In issues like this, while appreciating the effort for local pastors in Nigeria to help the education needs in the country, there must be some catch in terms of profit (whether or not they keep selling the disclaimer of being a 'not-for-profit' university). Does Oyedepo's university not hope to expand sometime in the future? If yes, how do they hope to do so - by making no profit whatsoever? Can we trust that same university by Oyedepo's effort to be as honest as the example above of Stanford University in acknowledging "increase in revenue"?

These are questions that make me wonder where to draw the line between 'profit' and 'charity' in the example of Oyedepo's university. Can you help?

@aloy emeka

Did I not just tell you they were basically the same with other private unis?

viaro:

Well, I often hear about that (please pardon my not knowing that much in reality).

People often say that; but I'm just wondering - How do we separate 'profit' from the high fees - or, how are the 'high fees' meant to be understood?.

Let me put it like this: there are indeed some Universities that are 'for-profit', an example being the University of Phoenix (UPX) in North America which is 'a private for-profit institution of higher learning' (Wikipedia). Some other universities are 'not for profit' institutions; e.g., the University of St. La Salle, apart from being a Catholic private university, is also a 'non-stock and non-profit corporation' (see Wikipedia again).

Now, one wonders where the Oyedepo's example falls into - a 'for-profit' or 'non-profit' institution?

Covenant university is a non profit institution like St La Selle catholic university.

I deliberately chose both examples above to reflect the fact of a university governed by religious principles (as in the case of La Salle University). But if you consider another example in context of the 'world standard' that you have talked about, then consider Stanford University and this report below:
Aloy, this question concerning Oyedepo's university is not all that important as to cause a furor for me. In issues like this, while appreciating the effort for local pastors in Nigeria to help the education needs in the country, there must be some catch in terms of profit (whether or not they keep selling the disclaimer of being a 'not-for-profit' university). Does Oyedepo's university not hope to expand sometime in the future? If yes, how do they hope to do so - by making no profit whatsoever? Can we trust that same university by Oyedepo's effort to be as honest as the example above of Stanford University in acknowledging "increase in revenue"?

These are questions that make me wonder where to draw the line between 'profit' and 'charity' in the example of Oyedepo's university. Can you help?

They hope to expand from the efforts made by their benefactors. How did they build the university in the first place?. Was it not benefactors who paid for it?. How will St laselle catholic university expand since they are non profit?

Tudór:

@aloy emeka

Did I not just tell you they were basically the same with other private unis?

No they are not. You cannot compare the fees at Igbinedion university with the ones in Covenant university.

You cannot lie to me brother

Aloy.Emeka:

Covenant university is a non profit institution like St La Selle catholic university.

Okay, but could I have some evidence beyond your saying so? At least, I would have something to critique constructively so that my opinions would be well informed. Afterall, one other reason why I chose the examples deliberately (as I said earlier) would be to highlight the fact that not all claims are true - and some have been found cutting corners and contravening their own principles (e.g., University of Phoenix, UPX).

So, any evidence beyond your just-say-so?

They hope to expand from the efforts made by their benefactors. How did they build the university in the first place?. Was it not benefactors who paid for it?. How will St laselle catholic university expand since they are non profit?

But what has the Oyedepo's example of university done for the benefit of her benefactors?

Pastor Adeboye said God told him to buy more than 2 jets. Na wah oh.

True but how does he do it without money?

KunleOshob:


But the missionaries were able to provide [and still do] high quality free/ subsidized education to our parents and grandparents which has been a blessing to our generations unborn. ANd it was church funds that was used to build and maintain these instituitions. Today the what charlartans like Oledepo are doing is to profit from it after deceiving his church members to contribute to the project giving them the impression he was doing it for God, yet he can't even offer the real financiers of the school who gave sacrificially to the establishment of the conglomerate scholarship or subsidies to their children. I also hear he charges exhorbitantly in the school clinic / hostipals which form a part of his conglomerate eyt he claims to be doing God's work, does he read his bible at all[if he truly as one]? I laugh in ota tongues.

What is wrong if I give my fellow brother money and snub tithes