Sand2022:


This scripture doesn't mean that God can't speak to people today. This command is specifically saying that one can't add to the Mosaic law God gave Moses.

God has been and is still speaking to people today.

After Moses' day, God still spoke to many more prophets He raised like Jeremiah.



The book of revelation you quoted is specifically talking about that revelation or vision God gave to John. It doesn't mean God stopped speaking to people after that time. The last written book is not even revelation but 3John

Not every word God spoke made it to the bible canon. What we now call bible is what group of God lovers assembled for all who feared God. Their picking book so and so doesn't mean the words became God's after their selection. It had always been God's, only that God's human worshipers put them all together. They however, didn't gather all God had ever said to humans on earth. Jesus said many many other words that didn't appear in the bible record. Weren't those Gods word as well?

You need to remember that in most cases, God's true prophets are honoured long time after they die. When they're alive, many don't seem to believe them. Jeremiah and Jesus didn't get a thumbs up from the religious communities they lived in. We need to be careful that we're not becoming the unbelievers of our time.

If some claims to hear from God. It's ok, but what does his work promote? Does it promote what God hates? Does he promote a moral depraved lifestyle? We need to be properly guided lest we become fighters against God.

I don't know much about Adeboye, but I have not seen anything that will make me doubt him. And the biblical proves you bring to make your point doesn't match.

Emusan:

I've been asking your so called brother, since that is the name Christian CURSED AND BASTARDISED? You know why they couldn't reply me? because they were never in agreement with you. If you think, they are agreed with you, this is a challenge for you. Say it with you bold mind and tag them all that yes mh brothers ALL AGREE WITH ME ON THIS. Let's see if they are actually in agreement with you.

MaxInDHouse:
YES jàre the lie has been exposed that you have CHRISTIAN BROTHERS who can't agree with you on the same line of teaching as Jesus prayed {John 17:22} and Apostle Paul reminded his fellow believers! 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

MaxInDHouse:
YES jàre the lie has been exposed that you have CHRISTIAN BROTHERS who can't agree with you on the same line of teaching as Jesus prayed {John 17:22} and Apostle Paul reminded his fellow believers! 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

MaxInDHouse:


Why do they refuse to worship or pray with any who claims he is a Christian but not one of JWs?
It's because the name has been BASTARDIZED and turned into a CURSE by the works of the religions claiming Christians today!
In the first century the group name CHRISTIANS is enough for you to feel at home wherever you go as long as your fellow believers are there but today only the group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES can do that.
Why because the other group name has been CURSED and BASTARDIZED by countless religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines with their barbarism!

Emusan:

When you're ready, you'll take up the challenge!

MaxInDHouse:

As you wish!

Emusan:

I've made my wish above, so fulfill that wishes!

MaxInDHouse:

As you wish!

Emusan:


Mr as you wish, well-done

MaxInDHouse:

Steep:
You are wrong in saying that the bible is just a collection of books by God lovers. Everything about the Bible was inspired by God both the writings and the collection where all inspired.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Though God speaks today but anything he say always inline with the already writing down scripture hence scripture serves as the basis to judge spirits if they are of God.

Who told you Jeremiah was not accepted by the religious community.
The jews accepted Jeremiah but rejected christ, the Jewish nation were the ones God used to preserve the old testament while the Christian church were the ones that God used to preserve the new testament, even Jesus christ acknowledge and subjected himself under the authority of the scripture. You will notice that God uses community of the people of God in preserving his word rather than individuals and all the people God used to write the Bible were well known and accepted by the whole of God's community.
For the old testament Moses was well known and a leader of God's nation, same goes with Joshua, David, Solomon, sons of Asaph, the prophets. As for the new testament same thing people who walked with christ during his earthly ministry or were a knowledge by those who walked with Jesus on earth.
No, pastor, bishop, general overseer etc has such authority that those who wrote the scripture had.

People lie all the time in the name of God and hence any revelation must be brought under scriptural examination.

Sand2022:


It's true, the bible is an inspired book as the bible you quoted confirms. However, as for it's collection, I don't quite see how it is inspired. I will agree that God may have influenced one or two things as the collection is ongoing, but saying it is an inspired collection will leave us with many questions.

First, no where did the bible say that the collection work of inspired writing is inspired. The canon of the OT is likely decided on by the Great Synagogue as tradition have it. The bible didn't tell us that.

The Septuagint written by probably 72 Jews had many other writings in it called the Apocryphals. So what they considered inspired obviously is not what we consider inspired today esp the Protestants.

Even in Jesus day, the Saduccees didn't see the prophets as inspired. Eg, they wouldn't consider Jeremiah, Ezekiel, etc as inspired.

In the NT, there were many books under inspiration debate. At some point, the book of Peter, Revelation etc were not viewed as inspired by some christians. Im fact, it is possible to see those who do not view certain NT books as inspired as we do. There are many things Jesus said that were not part of the bible. But all those things he said were all inspired. So the bible you have is not a collection of all inspired words on earth. There are other NT writings that some christians view as inspired but which the Protestants reject.

So the bible you have, that is, the 66 books, were just a collection of what is perceived by many to be inspired. God didn't speak from heaven to mention which book is inspired and which is not. Servants of God who love His word are the ones who made the collections. There are many many inspired statements that didn't make the cut.

You're correct. The exception is if there is new revelation from God.

Lol. God's prophets were often rejected by people who lived during there time.

Example. Jeremiah himself recorded;

Jer 20:
Now Pashʹhur the son of Imʹmer, the priest, who was also the leading commissioner in the house of Jehovah, was listening when Jeremiah prophesied these things. 2 Then Pashʹhur struck Jeremiah the prophet and put him in the stocks that were at the Upper Gate of Benjamin, which was in the house of Jehovah"

These man was a leading commissioner. But he didn't believe Jeremiah to be a prophet from God. You can also read Jeremiah chapter 26 and see what happened there.

People of God often reject his prophets when they say a message that is unpopular, a message that sounds different in their ears.

It was not only Jesus that the Jewish community rejected, they also rejected John the Baptist, Paul, Peter etc. so don't see it as strange when today people reject God's prophets, even those who fear God. That has been the way it is. It is often many years, I mean several years do people start to recognize that so and so was actually speaking from God. And in most cases, but the prophet and his generation had long died. But that is very dangerous because God wouldn't overlook those who reject His prophets. They are His mouthpiece.

Steep:
The Jewish nation as a whole considered the books of the prophets and the law as inspired, and even Jesus himself considered them as scriptures. The jews might not immediately believe that Jeemiah was a prophet but subsequently they knew he was sent by God and all that he wrote were inspired when they came to pass

Daniel 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

You should know that scriptures have internal validation, meaning one Scripture often validate another scripture and there is a flow and internal consistency, canonization of scriptures right from inception has rules.

There are no Christian who don't consider the book of Peter and revelation as scripture today, in the time past all of the church consider what we have today as scripture so it's not new.

That statement are inspired does not mean it scripture, a scripture is an inspired writing by holy men.

what new revelation? Apostle Peter already seal it up for the church.

2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour

The only words that church should be mindful of, is that of the prophets and apostles of Jesus.

Daniel himself recognized the jerimaiah books as scripture, the angel of God sent to Daniel also acknowledged jerimiah writings as scripture, above all Jesus christ acknowledged Jeremiah along with all the other prophets including Moses as scripture.

Matthew 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

Jesus read Moses and the prophets to the jews, meaning the jews themselves acknowledged them as scriptures.

The old testament was already settled at the time of Jesus, in fact there was little or no controversy as to what scriptures are at the time of Jesus.

Apocryphals were never recognized by christ and the apostles.
Meanwhile for the new testament, the apostle laid the foundations.

Scripture is very clear, the foundation of the church is built upon the apostles (12 apsotles) and prophets with Jesus being the chef corner stone, no other person has the authority to write a scripture.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Sand2022:


The part I bolded is the main point. Not ALL accepted Jeremiah as a true prophet when he was alive. All the other things you wrote there is not the issue at stake. I didn't object to any of that.

You seem to lack knowledge of the argument that accompanied the bible's canonization. You need to make research about this. It is well known fact that some books in the bible were not all accepted as inspired. Even Martin Luther Zwingli, Calvin all had issues with the book of Revelation.

Ok, I wonder how that helps your point. If you believe that a statement can be inspired but didn't make it into the bible, you're closer to my point. Well done.

Well Jesus still has prophets today.




I don't even know how all these address my post. Did I argue any of that?

Ok, at the time of Jesus. So you agree that prior to that time, there were some issues right?

But how about the saducees and the Samaritans? Which books did they consider authoritative?

Again I don't know who you have in mind to write the above.

The point is, do you believe that some in Judaism of Jesus day considered these apocryphals as scripture? Do you think that the Jewish system considered Jesus, Peter, Paul etc as an inspired prophets of God?

If no, then we are saying the same thing here. What you consider to be inspired today was not believed in at the time they were written. The persons we know to be God's prophets, Jesus, Paul, Peter, Jeremiah etc were not all agreed to be God's prophets the time they lived. Some even doubted Moses. That has always been the case. You can't expect a general acceptance. I will even say that majority never believed Christ when he was alive. It's the same today.

But the major point is that the acceptance and collection of these books as inspired word of God is not through a voice from heaven. God didn't tell anyone to collect this or that book. It was all through discussions and argument of which book should be viewed as authoritative or canonical. As for the inspiration of the words, it already had inspiration from the time God uttered those words to His servants, whether it is penned down or not.

So if God truly speaks to someone today, that word is inspired, it is God breathed, whether people accept it or not.

The writings of the 12 apostles are not the only inspired word of God. Luke and Mark, were not apostles nor predictive prophets. But there writings were considered inspired.

alBHAGDADI:


Joseph and Noah were prophets who heard from God. Their acts were recorded in the Bible.

Any clown who says he hears from God today should also record it and try to add it to the Bible.

I've engaged you enough.

Steep:
All accepted Jeremiah as a true prophet, it does not matter whether it is before his death or after his death.

what were the issues? The only issue they had initially was that they were not sure of its author.

an inspired statement does not mean it should be part of scripture.
Scriptures were written by prophets and apostles of christ.

The only words that church should be mindful of, is that of the prophets and apostles of Jesus.

It was the old testament prophets that wrote scriptures, in the new testament the scripture are written by the apostles not prophets. The old testament has already be fulfilled nothing can be added.

they considered the old testament authoritative, Jesus quoted the book of Isaiah in the temple in the midst of the jews.

that is lie! canonization of scriptures is not a matter of individual opinion but on collective acceptance. Few people might disagree but the whole group agree on it. The Jewish nation collectively agreed on the old testament books we have today and the church collectively agreed on the new testament.



actually christ gave the church that power.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Secondly, the 12 apostles which had authority to set doctrine for the entirely of the Christian church, if anybody would not accept it then he is not part of the body of christ.



Nobody has the authority to do so, Luke and mark were with apostles and they were eye witnesses of the events that took place, for their books to be acceptable by the early Church it means the apostles approved of it.

Sand2022:


You should be arguing with someone else then. My earlier point you started to attack has this the main point. The words of Jeremiah was not viewed as inspired by the religious leaders of his day. But now, it is. The same is true of God's prophets today. The point is that rejection of prophets when they are alive is common. It didn't start today. If this is not important, then leave my comments alone. That is one of the proof of my comment you were responding to.[/b]

Go and.make.research my friend.

See your comment that made me reply that:



That was the comment oga. Stop giving me more work. Then you now said something in your comment below that contradict this your comment above, see below.



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This comment is not for me



In your comment above, you said:

"in the new testament the scripture are written by the apostles."

Now you're saying that it was written by both the apostles and those who were with the apostles.

You're giving me more work oga.

the apostles didn't set any new testament canon. They just wrote their letters, it was still others who loved God that assembled these books and declare them canon. The time it was accepted as canon was not the time God started viewing them as inspired. As they spoke the word from God, it was inspired from then.

I think you should research this subject well, and stop creating work for me abeg

Hashabiah:
∆ You are contradicting yourself. The same bible testifies and tells us that God is our Father, so what kind of Father would not want to talk to His children and have a personal relationship with them ?
∆ When many of you neglect the Holy Spirit , you start falling for these false views on what Christians and Christianity should be , forgetting the fact that the religion is a personal relationship with God and man .
∆ Secondly why should God choose to talk only through the bible ? In the days of Joseph and Noah, was there a bible through which they communicated and heard God? Na wah o...repent and run your own race with fear and trembling .