safarifarms:
■ The laws were meant to be kept out of faith (believe in God) but they tried keeping the laws without believing in God.
■ But Jesus died and nailed the law to the cross so that part is taken away leaving only the part of faith for which we are saved by grace.
Colossians 2:14 (Living Bible)
14 and blotted out the charges proved against you, the list of his commandments which you had not obeyed. He took this list of sins and destroyed it by nailing it to Christ’s cross.
3 & 4: Like I said earlier, there was a context for which Paul held the views and made the suggestions he did at the time and he may not have been enlightened enough at the time. Even other Apostles changed their views on certain things after they got more understanding. This could be the reason he now worked with more women as seen by this salutation that had more women in the list.
■ I can't write off Paul's insightful teachings because of a few mistakes he made. And instead of what you termed Cherry picking, I believe in establishing doctrine at the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses.
2 Corinthians 13:1
This will be my third visit to you. “Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Like I said before, all men are fallible. So doctrine shouldn't be from one instance especially when it has to do with men.
■ For instance, Job after writing 41 chapters, in his last chapter he now wrote what looks like a disclaimer with regret for saying things he didn't know.
Job 42 (New International Version)
1. Then Job replied to the Lord: 2 “I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’ Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know.
4 “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak; I will question you, and you shall answer me.’
5 My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you. 6 Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes.”
So what do I make of the 41 chapters that he wrote in his time of ignorance? I always remind myself that even though the Bible was written by inspiration, they were actually written by men who are fallible. On another note, I want to commend you for having a meaningful discussion devoid of insults or disrespect as often experienced with religious people who often expect that their views must be forced down on others.

1. Before you attempt to speak regarding faith, at least make certain you have a good Scriptural understanding of the meaning and use of the term.

1 Now there was a famine. This was like the famine that happened during Abraham’s life. So Isaac went to the town of Gerar, to King Abimelech of the Philistines.
2 The Lord spoke to Isaac and said, “Don’t go down to Egypt. Live in the land that I commanded you to live in.
3 Stay in this land, and I will be with you. I will bless you. I will give you and your family all these lands. I will do what I promised to Abraham your father.
4 I will make your family as many as the stars of heaven, and I will give all these lands to your family. Through your descendants[a] every nation on earth will be blessed.
5 I will do this because your father Abraham obeyed my words and did what I said. He obeyed my commands, my laws, and my rules.” - Genesis 26 vs 1 - 5

We learn in Genesis how God approved Abraham of righteousness because of his, Abraham's, faith in God— Abraham was justified by Faith is the popular saying. In the above passage, God tells exactly what the Faith entailed. By living his life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of God, Abraham had faith in God. Any idea of faith that does not line up with that described by God Himself is not of God.

2. I am sorry but this statement of yours makes no sense at all. Are you saying Jesus Christ lied when He said He did not come to change or abolish any part of the Old Law of Moses? Are you saying that somehow Jesus Christ felt the Old Law was tainted and in need of change? This is ludicrous!

3. Here's the problem! These so-called insightful teachings you claim Paul gave to you make Jesus Christ not only appear a liar but Paul a savior of your choosing to Jesus Christ. What you do by proclaiming that Paul came to save the day on behalf of Jesus Christ is suggest that Paul became some sort of an AntiChrist to save Jesus Christ. Does this make sense to you?

You completely ignore the fact that Jesus Christ said none of His followers are to teach their doctrines and traditions — lies — using His name - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 - all so that you can then assert these ideas of yours which you attribute to Paul(if you ask me most of your interpretations don't even begin to align which much of what Paul said) in the place of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Tell me, how do you not see that by doing so, you have completely abandoned Jesus Christ and choosing for yourself a path different from that set down by Him?

4. Job? The entirety of Chapter 41 of the Book of Job was instead God speaking to Job, not Job speaking to himself! And I don't believe Job was trying to teach any man any lessons. If you examined closely all that Job said, there was nothing wrong to be found before God showed up to respond to him. He spoke in his pain and from a point of assumed abandonment, and God did not reprimand him, Job, for any of that. Go through God's response to see that God instead came from a point of understanding rather than a point of condemnation. Job wanted to make his case before God because he did not understand why God would do all of that to him even after he had dedicated his life to obeying God's teachings and commandments. There was nothing wrong with that. Only after God spoke, did Job realize that even though he had wisdom from God, his understanding still paled in comparison to God's.

Now, the dictionary meaning of the word Inspired is pretty clear on what to think.

in·spire
1. fill (someone) with the urge or ability to do or feel something, especially to do something creative.
"his passion for romantic literature inspired him to begin writing"
▶ create (a feeling, especially a positive one) in a person.
"their past record does not inspire confidence"
▶ animate someone with (such a feeling).
"he inspired his students with a vision of freedom"
▶ give rise to.

Inspire does not mean same as True.

The contents of Scripture are indeed inspired but that in no way makes them all true. The only Truth in all of Scripture — the standard by which all else is to be measured — is the Word of God, and Jesus Christ is the Word of God. He proclaimed His Gospel, the Law, and the Prophets as God's Truth. So, any idea that does not meet those standards is meant to be discarded.

Kobojunkie:

1. Yes, Jesus Christ meant it that He is indeed not the standard of God; Rather, the Father is the standard of Good, the one who approves all men, including Jesus Christ, of Righteousness(good). Jesus Christ instead said that He is the Father's Way, the Father's Truth, and the Father's Life in John 14 vs 6.

Check out the following Link for a more complete list of the differences between Jesus Christ and the Father https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump#112519360

Oh, I see. You are of the school of thought that believes Jesus and God are different. I can see where you are coming from.

2. As Jesus Christ instructed, they are indeed to go and teach others to obey the exact same commandments and teachings He gave to them — His Law. He also instructed them not to teach their own ideas/doctrines and traditions using His name.

Wow. So what do you call someone who teaches?
teacher /ˈtiːtʃə/ (noun): a person who teaches, especially in a school.

3. Recall that Jesus Christ Himself lived His life in direct submission to the Will of His Father, The Law of Moses which happened to be the Constitutional Law in the nation of Israel(and Judah) in the Land of Canaan at that time. And Jesus Christ made it abundantly clear that He did not come to abolish or change the existing Law. Rather, what Jesus Christ did was bring to the people the New agreement/Law/Will of God which was promised by God through the Prophets. Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the New Law and agreement, God's Will in the Kingdom of God.
So, when Jesus Christ asked that none of His followers call any man father here on earth, He, Jesus Christ meant that no man is to, in His name, and the name of His Kingdom, call any man Father.

Yes Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it and he did fulfill it.

Isaiah 55:10-11 (ESV)
10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.

The Law had a purpose to accomplish which was accomplished (fulfilled).

Matthew 1:22 (ESV)
22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:

Matthew 13:35 (ESV)
35 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world.”

John 19:36 (ESV)
36 For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.”

Luke 24:44 (ESV)
44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

So Jesus indeed fulfilled the law and the prophets.
The predictions of the Law and the Prophets concerning the Messiah was realized in Jesus; the holy standard of the Law was perfectly upheld by Christ (unbehalf of those who believe), the strict requirements personally obeyed, and the ceremonial observances finally and fully satisfied.

Galatians 3:24-26 (King James Version)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

The purpose of the law as a school master was also accomplished.

Hebrews 8:13 (New International Version)
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

So having served its purpose it became obsolete (according to the Bible).
And the Law (works) cannot bring you salvation. It was just a shadow of the new covenant that came through Jesus.

Hebrews 10:1 (ESV)
1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near.

Hebrews 8:7-9 (New King James Version)
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

Hebrews 9:8
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Romans 10:4 (ESV)
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Hebrews 10:9 (King James Version)
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Galatians 2:16 (ESV)
16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

4. I am afraid this is not the case at all. Jesus Christ was not sent to deal with anything. Yes, there were hypocrites in the land at the land; there has never really been a time in the land when there weren't any of those. Go back to the time when Moses had to lead the people of Israel through the desert to see. These people were stiffnecked from even then but that never stopped or stood in the way of God's plan, not even Jesus Christ.

I don’t know where the idea of battling hypocrites comes from. I can’t remember claiming he came to battle hypocrites. My only mention of the hypocrites was the context for which he said people should not be called Teachers and he’s the one who identified those people as hypocrites.

If you review all that Jesus Christ said of the Spirit of God whom He would ask His Father to send to those who love Him - John 14 vs 15 - 26 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 4 - 16 - you would come to understand how and why it is erroneous to even perceive that the same Spirit of God would teach an idea that contravenes Jesus Christ in any way. God is not a God of confusion. The Spirit of Truth is submitted in His Will to Jesus Christ and as such would never teach any idea that contradicts or contravenes Jesus Christ. Yes, He teaches so many things including the Law of the Prophets to explain all that Jesus Christ taught to His followers but He would never teach any idea that does not conform or agree with Jesus Christ. Again, because He is the same Spirit of Truth that is Jesus Christ.

You mixed things up here. I said that beyond what Jesus teaches, the Apostles were also led by the spirit of to teach more and I added that they are still men and hence fallible.

1. Therein lies the problem at the core of the belief of most who seek out religion, this idea that Jesus Christ is not enough. How can the Words of the one who is God's very Truth — the Words out of God's mouth — not be enough information for one to receive Salvation? How can God's Law be considered incomplete when it comes to containing the terms and conditions — all that is required — for one to obtain the salvation(s) offered by God? Doesn't that then mean God is incompetent and hence untrustworthy?

Very funny conclusions. I’m not one who seeks out religion. My communication so far should have made that clear. All these assumptions and postulations you have come up with are addressed by earlier scriptures.

2. Jesus Christ was influenced by the Law into doing what exactly? What in the world does that even mean? Why would something bad come from Jesus Christ submitting Himself to the Old Law of Moses which is equally God's perfect Will in God's Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan? Sorry, I am lost at this point!

You ought to be lost. Even the Pharisees couldn’t understand the Messiah’s death on the cross, that’s why they are still waiting for the Messiah.

3. Just so you know, if you wish to understand Paul, you first need to be grounded in Jesus Christ, and then the ideas expressed by Paul in His Letters would make more sense.

4. This statement fails when you consider that all the sheep and goats spoken of in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 were all born again. (They all had eternal life.) In Matthew 24 vs 13 and Mark 13 vs 13, Jesus Christ taught that only those who stand faithful through it all would be saved(the second salvation). He explained this by way of several parables including the parable of the Good and Trusted Servant. Jesus Christ even admonished His followers to seek first the Kingdom of God(Holiness) and then God's Righteousness, to have all these things — the blessings and rewards of the Kingdom of God including Heaven— added to them. There is a seeking required much the same as the initial seek required for the first salvation. Not everyone who is born-again(first salvation) will make the second salvation. That is clear as far as the Gospel is concerned.

Lol.

John 10:28-29 (New International Version)
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. [/b]29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; [b]no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

John 17:12 (New International Version)
12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by[a] that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

Well, Paul may have described the second salvation in the form of an inheritance but it is a salvation as Jesus Christ instead put it. Either Heaven(Eternal Reward) or Hell(Eternal Damnation) awaits those who are born-again, and it is only earned by the Works done here on earth.
This doesn’t make sense. Did you just say that someone born again can go to Hell (Eternal damnation)? Well the tone of this conversation is already going in the negative so I’ll want to avoid indulging you further in this direction.

Yes, God is Love but God made it abundantly clear that His Love belongs only to those who obey His teachings and commandments; Those who do not obey His teachings and command will be punished by God. This has been the same way since the time of Adam and remains the same even in Jesus Christ. https://www.nairaland.com/8078671/what-does-god-hate-esau#129739870

As for works of Righteousness, well they are detailed in the commandments explained in the context of Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Those 6 commands are the keys to the Gates of Heaven which Jesus Christ is written to have promised to Peter and all of His followers. It is only those who have attained righteousness through living life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ that are capable of carrying out those works as a result. Those commands do not simply happen on their own. Just as Jesus Christ went out doing good works everywhere He went, His followers are also required to go out doing the same if they are to gain Heaven(Eternal Reward) at the end of the day.
1. Before you attempt to speak regarding faith, at least make certain you have a good Scriptural understanding of the meaning and use of the term.

What a submission.

2. I am sorry but this statement of yours makes no sense at all. Are you saying Jesus Christ lied when He said He did not come to change or abolish any part of the Old Law of Moses? Are you saying that somehow Jesus Christ felt the Old Law was tainted and in need of change? This is ludicrous!

I’ve already responded to this. But this tone is becoming seriously negative and I’m discouraged to read further.

I’ll stop here to avoid unnecessary strife.

safarifarms:
■ Oh, I see. You are of the school of thought that believes Jesus and God are different. I can see where you are coming from.
■ Wow. So what do you call someone who teaches? teacher /ˈtiːtʃə/ (noun): a person who teaches, especially in a school.
■ Yes Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it and he did fulfill it. The Law had a purpose to accomplish which was accomplished (fulfilled). So Jesus indeed fulfilled the law and the prophets. The predictions of the Law and the Prophets concerning the Messiah was realized in Jesus; the holy standard of the Law was perfectly upheld by Christ (unbehalf of those who believe), the strict requirements personally obeyed, and the ceremonial observances finally and fully satisfied. The purpose of the law as a school master was also accomplished. So having served its purpose it became obsolete (according to the Bible). And the Law (works) cannot bring you salvation. It was just a shadow of the new covenant that came through Jesus.
■ I don’t know where the idea of battling hypocrites comes from. I can’t remember claiming he came to battle hypocrites. My only mention of the hypocrites was the context for which he said people should not be called Teachers and he’s the one who identified those people as hypocrites.
■ You mixed things up here. I said that beyond what Jesus teaches, the Apostles were also led by the spirit of to teach more and I added that they are still men and hence fallible.

1. Jesus Christ was not suffering from DID(dissociative identity disorder); He made it abundantly clear in His Gospels that there existed a separation between His Will and the Will of His Father. Jesus Christ is most definitely not YHWH and YHWH is mostly definitely not Jesus Christ even though Jesus Christ is in the Father and the Father is equally in Jesus Christ(they share the same roots as far as that which makes up who Jesus Christ is).

2. But this isn't about the school setting where you have one person over the other, this is instead where you have one servant sent out to bring in another servant from the outside into the master. There is no hierarchy here between the servants; as a matter of fact, the one who goes out to preach is expected to lower himself as a slave world to accomplish His master's task, and as such it is different from what those of the Old Law had in place as far as teaching was concerned. Remember, the Kingdom of God is a Kingdom not of this world and so everything needs to be considered as presented in the teachings of Jesus Christ and not as explained by the world.

3. First of all, Jesus Christ was born an Israelite and all Israelites were required in those days to fulfill the Law. So, when Jesus Christ said He came to fulfill the Law, He meant that He came to do what every Israelite was required to do. As for fulfilling the prophecies regarding His person, prophecies that were made by the Prophets, well, that too happened but not all of it took place before His death. The problem now comes when you claim that the Law of Moses is obsolete when neither God nor Jesus Christ said such things. Even to this day we speak, every Israelite born into this world is born under the weight of that same Law which you claim has been made obsolete. To add to it all, when Jesus Christ returns at the time of the resurrection, He will rule over God's Israel by way of that same Law of Moses which you claim has been made obsolete. I don't know where in Scripture you claim you get that the Law has become obsolete but I can tell you for a fact that that claim is erroneous.

4. By suggesting that Jesus Christ only made those statements because He was surrounded by hypocrites and the sort, you presented a situation where Jesus Christ sort of had a personal issue with them or something. He didn't at all. He came to deliver God's new Law and agreement to the people, and He used everything including trees, herbs, etc, to get His teachings across to His followers and that was simply that.

5. And it is to this that I responded that that is impossible because to teach more would mean they had to add, change, and modify that which Jesus Christ already taught and declared to be God's everlasting Truth. That act would set them against Jesus Christ — antiChrist. Recall, that Jesus Christ warned His followers not to teach any ideas/doctrines and traditions that were not of Him— not in compliance with that which He already set down as Law for them— using His name.

safarifarms:
■ Very funny conclusions. I’m not one who seeks out religion. My communication so far should have made that clear. All these assumptions and postulations you have come up with are addressed by earlier scriptures.
■ You ought to be lost. Even the Pharisees couldn’t understand the Messiah’s death on the cross, that’s why they are still waiting for the Messiah.
■ Lol.
John 10:28-29 (New International Version)
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. [/b]29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; [b]no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
John 17:12 (New International Version)
12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by[a] that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

If this is truly the case, then help me understand by answering the questions posed.

▶ How can the Words of the one who is God's very Truth — the Words out of God's mouth — not be enough information for one to receive Salvation?
▶ How can God's Law be considered incomplete when it comes to containing the terms and conditions — all that is required — for one to obtain the salvation(s) offered by God? Doesn't that then mean God is incompetent and hence untrustworthy?
▶ Why are the words of Jesus Christ not enough that you seek the words of others instead?

2. Jesus Christ I clearly understand. It is you that I do not understand. You claimed Jesus Christ was influenced by God's Will & Law. I would very much like to understand why anyone would come to such a conclusion regarding Jesus Christ submitting Himself to obeying the Will of His Father.

As for why Jesus Christ died on the cross, well, He told you Himself in the Gospels that it was so that He could gain the Kingdom and all for Himself. Read John 10 and John 16 - 17 for more insight.

3. But, indeed, no one can snatch those whom the Father has given to Him as part of His Kingdom from Him. After all, if you read Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, the one who carried out the sentencing of the goats, the King of Hell, is Jesus Christ Himself. Both the sheep and the goats belong to Him for eternity, and even after sentencing the goats to the place of Eternal Damnation, they remain a part of the domain ruled by Him forever. Why do you not see that?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ was not suffering from DID(dissociative identity disorder); He made it abundantly clear in His Gospels that there existed a separation between His Will and the Will of His Father. Jesus Christ is most definitely not YHWH and YHWH is mostly definitely not Jesus Christ even though Jesus Christ is in the Father and the Father is equally in Jesus Christ(they share the same roots as far as that which makes up who Jesus Christ is).

2. But this isn't about the school setting where you have one person over the other, this is instead where you have one servant sent out to bring in another servant from the outside into the master. There is no hierarchy here between the servants; as a matter of fact, the one who goes out to preach is expected to lower himself as a slave world to accomplish His master's task, and as such it is different from what those of the Old Law had in place as far as teaching was concerned. Remember, the Kingdom of God is a Kingdom not of this world and so everything needs to be considered as presented in the teachings of Jesus Christ and not as explained by the world.

3. First of all, Jesus Christ was born an Israelite and all Israelites were required in those days to fulfill the Law. So, when Jesus Christ said He came to fulfill the Law, He meant that He came to do what every Israelite was required to do. As for fulfilling the prophecies regarding His person, prophecies that were made by the Prophets, well, that too happened but not all of it took place before His death. The problem now comes when you claim that the Law of Moses is obsolete when neither God nor Jesus Christ said such things. Even to this day we speak, every Israelite born into this world is born under the weight of that same Law which you claim has been made obsolete. To add to it all, when Jesus Christ returns at the time of the resurrection, He will rule over God's Israel by way of that same Law of Moses which you claim has been made obsolete. I don't know where in Scripture you claim you get that the Law has become obsolete but I can tell you for a fact that that claim is erroneous.

4. By suggesting that Jesus Christ only made those statements because He was surrounded by hypocrites and the sort, you presented a situation where Jesus Christ sort of had a personal issue with them or something. He didn't at all. He came to deliver God's new Law and agreement to the people, and He used everything including trees, herbs, etc, to get His teachings across to His followers and that was simply that.

5. And it is to this that I responded that that is impossible because to teach more would mean they had to add, change, and modify that which Jesus Christ already taught and declared to be God's everlasting Truth. That act would set them against Jesus Christ — antiChrist. Recall, that Jesus Christ warned His followers not to teach any ideas/doctrines and traditions that were not of Him— not in compliance with that which He already set down as Law for them— using His name.

I quoted Jesus words from the Bible where he says;


John 16:12-14 New King James Version (NKJV)
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come

But you made it look like I made it up and claim I'm saying what Jesus taught is not enough when he's the one that said the Spirit of truth will guide into all truth and tell things to come.

Are you implying that these were not Jesus' teaching or its not in your Bible?

Perhaps if I quoted where Jesus said that those who believe would do greater works than he did you would ask if I'm saying the works Jesus did were not enough.


You had queried if I was saying Jesus came to abolish the law and showed Jesus affirmation to the negative and I agreed with you that he didn't come to abolish but to fulfill it. Went on to show from the Bible that he did fulfill it as he promised and was prophesied which completed the role of the law. All these from the Bible.

In my last submission which I had hoped to be the last, I avoided making much of personal statements and quoted so many scriptures by copy and past and provided more than enough reference books and verses for you to see that they are not my words but you choose to insist that those portions of the Bible I quoted like the one that says the old is obsolete are my claims. Following is what I quoted for instance.

Hebrews 8:13 (New International Version)
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

If you don't like the NIV use of obsolete, her's King James using decayeth and ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 8:13 (King James Version)
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

How are these my words? How are all the other portions of the bible I quoted in the previous submission my own words? My only basis for discussion is the Bible. If you will be claiming that Bible portions I quote are my own ideas. What do I say anymore?

You went as far as saying I claimed Jesus came to counter the hypocrites which I never said. Twisting what I said, pushing words on me or claiming what I quoted from the Bible are my words is not the way for a meaningful dialogue.

I'd already wanted to end the conversation before it turns to something else so I won't respond anymore. Thank you for your time and have a pleasant day ahead.

Amotolongbo:
As if this thing understands what sense is

Says the thing without sense.

StillDtruth:


Says the thing without sense.

stinking thing that doesn’t recognise sense talking about sense. What an irony!

Amotolongbo:
stinking thing that doesn’t recognise sense talking about sense. What an irony!

Says the Cursed thing going to burn forever, that lacked sense, to even recognise sense.

StillDtruth:


Says the Cursed thing going to burn forever, that lacked sense, to even recognise sense.

I am allergic to senseless things. Go away and watch Cocomelon

Amotolongbo:
I am allergic to senseless things. Go away and watch Cocomelon

I am attracted to telling Cursed evil things going to hellfire that it is their foolishnes, evil and lack of sense that is taking them to the eternal Furnace.

StillDtruth:


I am attracted to telling Cursed evil things going to hellfire that it is their foolishnes, evil and lack of sense that is taking them to the eternal Furnace.

Why won’t you be attracted to telling cursed evil things when you are the same thing with the curse things.

Find your level in senselessness.

Amotolongbo:
Why won’t you be attracted to telling cursed evil things when you are the same thing with the curse things.

Find your level in senselessness.

If we were.the same we would be friends but we are not. So Cursed evil thing, you shall be burning away forever in hellfire when you end like this girl.
https://www.nairaland.com/8080920/young-lady-found-dead-abuja#129764744

StillDtruth:


If we were.the same we would be friends but we are not. So Cursed evil thing, you shall be burning away forever in hellfire when you end like this girl.
https://www.nairaland.com/8080920/young-lady-found-dead-abuja#129764744

What could be so senseless than thinking there is an imaginary “hell fire” somewhere to burn people. Well, you are already in hell on earth. Continue burning

Amotolongbo:
What could be so senseless than thinking there is an imaginary “hell fire” somewhere to burn people. Well, you are already in hell on earth. Continue burning

Yet we see how you panick and display when you thought you were about to die. You Cursed things already know you are goiing to hell!

StillDtruth:


Yet we see how you panick and display when you thought you were about to die. You Cursed things already know you are goiing to hell!

You are already in hell. Continue burning

Amotolongbo:
You are already in hell. Continue burning

Yet, i am the one smiling and you.are the one cursing and wishing no hell. oh no, You are going to it.

StillDtruth:


Yet, i am the one smiling and you.are the one cursing and wishing no hell. oh no, You are going to it.

What makes you smile, nairaland emoji?

Rot in hell

Amotolongbo:
What makes you smile, nairaland emoji?

Rot in hell

Hahahahahahaha! E pain am die! .You are still going to hell for suffer upgraded thougb. you can check up now!

StillDtruth:


Hahahahahahaha! E pain am die! .You are still going to hell for suffer upgraded thougb. you can check up now!

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