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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 8:39am On May 01

MaxInDHouse:
But you stylishly ran away from him with the excuse that he should keep his faith.
Why not stand on and continue bashing him that he's an Antichrist for blasphemy instead of running away from him?

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

very disturbed lost false jw mad max

maybe i was afraid he might punch me in the mouth

MaxInDHouse: Why are you always following JWs up and down Nairaland

it was you who posted to me about this matter, oh deluded and confused one:

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 8:46am On May 01

MaxInDHouse:
What about your brother who disagreed with you over two or three people in the beginning?
Is he also saved or he's doomed?

lost false jw mad max

i don't decide who is saved and who is lost, i leave that to you false jw's

but i know from God's word that those like you who speak lies habitually, and who blaspheme the Holy Spirit etc. are lost,
and i sometimes tell you so:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:35am On May 01

johnw47:

lost false jw mad max

i don't decide who is saved and who is lost, i leave that to you false jw's

but i know from God's word that those like you who speak lies habitually, and who blaspheme the Holy Spirit etc. are lost,
and i sometimes tell you so:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

John don't be an idiot quote these verses for the guy since he's also an Antichrist! cheesy

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:51am On May 01

These are the DOCTRINES he was TEACHING you before you ran away from him telling him to keep his beliefs:

Steep:
The Word of God is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Ghost is a separate person from the Father and Son. He is the power of God in creation, he guides, empowers and teach the believers as well as lives in them permanently.

Steep:
No he did say christ is the Holy Spirit, rather
It is good to read according to context else one errs.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Paul was talking of the preaching of the sacrifice of Jesus as the atonement for sin.
When Paul said christ is the power of God he meant christ is the means through which God saves people.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 9:57am On May 01

MaxInDHouse:
John don't be an idiot quote these verses for the guy since he's also an Antichrist!

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

very dum lost false jw mad max

like i said i leave judging to you false jw's

false jw
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 10:01am On May 01

MaxInDHouse:
These are the DOCTRINES he was TEACHING you before you ran away from him telling him to keep his beliefs:

lost false jw mad max

you are very disturbed aren't you, it's from the devil:

Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:06am On May 01

These are the DOCTRINES he was TEACHING you before you ran away from him telling him to keep his beliefs:

Steep:
The Word of God is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Ghost is a separate person from the Father and Son. He is the power of God in creation, he guides, empowers and teach the believers as well as lives in them permanently.

Steep:
No he did say christ is the Holy Spirit, rather
It is good to read according to context else one errs.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Paul was talking of the preaching of the sacrifice of Jesus as the atonement for sin.
When Paul said christ is the power of God he meant christ is the means through which God saves people.

johnw47:

very dum lost false jw mad max
like i said i leave judging to you false jw's

false jw
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

You leave JUDGING yet you call people "Satan's mob" "Antichrist" quoting Hellfire for them but now that someone wants to correct your disturbed brain you stylishly ran away from him.

Why not quote these your favorite verses for him too if truly you're sure that he is an Antichrist and a blasphemer? cheesy

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 10:20am On May 01

MaxInDHouse:
These are the DOCTRINES he was TEACHING you before you ran away from him telling him to keep his beliefs:
You leave JUDGING yet you call people "Satan's mob" "Antichrist" quoting Hellfire for them

very much disturbed lost false jw mad max

truly oh dum one, you are part of satans mob blaspheming the Holy Spirit as you did,
and you will be thrown into the lake of fire:

Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

MaxInDHouse: but now that someone wants to correct your disturbed brain you stylishly ran away from him.

i of course don't believe he was correcting me, i'm very secure in my faith and don't waste time learning of others doctrinal beliefs

MaxInDHouse: Why not quote these your favorite verses for him too if truly you're sure that he is an Antichrist and a blasphemer?

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

i don't believe he is an antichrist and blasphemer, you are the deluded one who keeps saying that,
but you can never stop lying, can you:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:35am On May 01

johnw47:

i of course don't believe he was correcting me, i'm very secure in my faith and don't waste time learning of others doctrinal beliefs.

LIAR!
But you are ready to spend the whole day with JWs about our DOCTRINAL BELIEFS! cheesy

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 10:42am On May 01

MaxInDHouse:
LIAR!
But you are ready to spend the whole day with JWs about our DOCTRINAL BELIEFS!

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

lost false jw mad max

quote my lie and show where i discuss the whole day about false jw's doctrinal beliefs,
you are even getting worse and worse with your false accusations/lies, i didn't think it would be possible:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:50am On May 01

johnw47:

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool
lost false jw mad max
quote my lie and show where i discuss the whole day about false jw's doctrinal beliefs,
you are even getting worse and worse with your false accusations/lies, i didn't think it would be possible:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

The guy actually quoted you to correct your madness that's why you responded to him but is the case same with JWs?
NO!
You're always following us from thread to thread quoting us up and down the forum as if we snatched your loaf of bread.
If you've not been doing so i will believe this nonsense you're talking now but that's a lie you've been the idiot trailing us up and down the forum!

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 10:57am On May 01

MaxInDHouse:
The guy actually quoted you to correct your madness that's why you responded to him but is the case same with JWs?
NO!
You're always following us from thread to thread quoting us up and down the forum as if we snatched your loaf of bread.
If you've not been doing so i will believe this nonsense you're talking now but that's a lie you've been the idiot trailing us up and down the forum!

very disturbed lost false jw mad max

you keep repeating your same lies over and over again, but then what else have you got:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

your continual name calling shows your lack of substance, doesn't it
and lack of Spirit, of course

and once again, it was you who posted to me oh dum dum

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 11:50am On May 01

Ohyoudidnt:

No I don't believe that Jesus preferably Yeshua or Isa a.s is divine.

He however has a special position amongst mankind and with God

But U said earlier he has a divine nature, or U want to back track on your earlier statement?

Is this not what U wrote below....what do U mean when U wrote the screenshot below

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Ohyoudidnt: 5:01pm On May 01

SIRTee15:

But U said earlier he has a divine nature, or U want to back track on your earlier statement?

Is this not what U wrote below....what do U mean when U wrote the screenshot below

Why do you take a phrase out of the total quote and misunderstood It?

Ohyoudidnt:

Do you not see the similarities between this and Greek mythology. Perhaps this is where the connecting transformation takes place.

In the Gospel of John where Thomas refers to Jesus as "my Lord and my God" (John 20:28). This statement by Thomas has often been used by Christians to affirm the divinity of Jesus. However, it is interesting to note that throughout the New Testament, Jesus himself refers to God the Father as his God. For example, in the book of Revelation, Jesus says, "I ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God" (Revelation 20:17).

Isn't this a contradiction where the one referred to as God refers to another. Is the truth if any not that Thomas made the declaration as a statement of faith rather than a direct assertion of Jesus' divine nature?

It is worth mentioning that in Greek mythology, gods and goddesses were often depicted as having their own hierarchies and relationships with one another. For example, Zeus was considered the king of the gods, while other deities such as Athena and Apollo held their own positions of power and authority. This complex pantheon of gods and goddesses in Greek mythology contrasts with the monotheistic beliefs of Christianity, where there is only one true God who is worshipped and revered.

In light of this, the passage in John where Thomas calls Jesus "my Lord and my God" can be seen as a recognition of Jesus' authority and divine nature, rather than a literal assertion that Jesus is the one true God. It highlights the profound relationship between Jesus and God the Father.

Can be seen in the English language, the phrase is commonly used to indicate that something is visible or observable.

However, the meaning of this phrase is not always definitive and can vary depending on the context in which it is used.This ambiguity can create confusion for readers and listeners, as well as challenge their understanding of a given situation.

The following words rather than a literal assertion that Jesus is the one true God. It highlights the profound relationship between Jesus and God the Father.

Can be seen or can not be seen?

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Westerhoffe(m): 5:37pm On May 01

Ken4Christ:

Even the devil knows.

Yes… but he sure doesn't want men to know so that they won't be saved.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 8:07pm On May 01

lost and unstable false jw mad max of non stop lies and insanity
you must be able to see by now that lying is your natural way of speaking
as it is the devil's:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

you want to know about: "The Word of God is the Holy Spirit of God"

Mat 7:6 Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

maxindhouse

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:29pm On May 01

johnw47:

maxindhouse

After almost ten hours you're still calling me to
continue responding to you but the other guy you ran away telling him to keep his beliefs to himself.
Do you now see that you're obsessed with JWs? cheesy

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 8:32pm On May 01

johnw47:

1Co_1:24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
^^ Christ the power/the Holy Spirit of God, is not referring to Jesus the man/flesh, but to His Holy Spirit/the Word of God

2Co_12:9 And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.

^^ so that the Holy Spirit of Christ may dwell in me

Steep:
The Word of God is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Ghost is a separate person from the Father and Son. He is the power of God in creation, he guides, empowers and teach the believers as well as lives in them permanently.

The same ghost leading them with conflicting info on the same doctrine.
.

johnw47:
lost and unstable false jw mad max of non stop lies and insanity
you must be able to see by now that lying is your natural way of speaking
as it is the devil's:

The ink of your post conflicting with your fellow Trinitarian is still very fresh.
LYING miscreant.

johnw47:

you want to know about: "The Word of God is the Holy Spirit of God"

John W fraud, did you agree with Steep your fellow Trinitarian?

SHAMELESS LIAR .

grin

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 8:36pm On May 01

MaxInDHouse:
After almost ten hours you're still calling me to
continue responding to you but the other guy you ran away telling him to keep his beliefs to himself.
Do you now see that you're obsessed with JWs?

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

lost false jw mad max

i see that i like to show you false jw's who claim to be God's people, as habitual liars and unstable
but you are blinded, aren't you oh dum one

blasphemer
Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 8:50pm On May 01

Ken4Christ:

Even the devil knows.

Why won't the devil recognize the delusion created at Nicene 326 AD?

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 8:51pm On May 01

Janosky:
The same ghost leading them with conflicting info on the same doctrine.
.

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

lost false jw janonsense

blasphemer, the Holy Spirit doesn't lead with conflicting info:

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

Janosky: The ink of your post conflicting with your fellow Trinitarian is still very fresh.
LYING miscreant.

false accuser, yes the link of my post seeing differently on a matter is still very fresh ??
you very confused aren't you:

Rev_12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Janosky: John W fraud, did you agree with Steep your fellow Trinitarian?

SHAMELESS LIAR .

lost false jw, you and mad max are very alike, aren't you, full of false accusing, lying, and insane rants
etc.etc.etc.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Ken4Christ: 8:52pm On May 01

Westerhoffe:

Yes… but he sure doesn't want men to know so that they won't be saved.

Sure. This is why we must keep preaching the gospel everywhere we go and to everyone we meet. Some will believe but most won't believe because of the pleasures of this world and the deceitfulness of riches. Blessed are those who hear and believe.

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:53pm On May 01

Janosky:

The same ghost leading them with conflicting info on the same doctrine.
.
The ink of your post conflicting with your fellow Trinitarian is still very fresh.
LYING miscreant.
John W fraud, did you agree with Steep your fellow Trinitarian?
SHAMELESS LIAR .

He ran away from the guy only to say the other guy is a blasphemer but he wasn't bold enough to continue arguing with him! cheesy

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Ken4Christ: 8:53pm On May 01

Janosky:

Why won't the devil recognize the delusion created at Nicene 326 AD?

Busybody. You will continue to do busybody until the trumpet will sound and you will be left behind.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 8:57pm On May 01

SIRTee15:

U Jehovah witness will never cease to amaze me. U will see the truth gidigba like this, yet deny it.

What is the English word for Adonai in the English bible.
Can the English word be used for anything else in the bible.
Can adonai be used for anyone else apart for God.

Did your ancient Hebrew website you referenced teach you that LORD is a name of God Almighty?

Your insidious attempt to discredit Ancient Hebrew website won't succeed.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:57pm On May 01

Ken4Christ:

Busybody. You will continue to do busybody until the trumpet will sound and you will be left behind.

Left behind to inherit PARADISE EARTH when all unbelievers are destroyed:

"For only the upright will reside in the earth, And the blameless will remain in it. As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth, And the treacherous will be torn away from it." Proverbs 2:21-22

Guy READ YOUR BIBLE! cheesy

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 8:59pm On May 01

MaxInDHouse:
He ran away from the guy only to say the other guy is a blasphemer but he wasn't bold enough to continue arguing with him!

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

lost false jw mad max

it is you who keeps saying the other guy is a blasphemer, i didn't even once
but you can never stop lying like the devil:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

lost one, don't be afraid to post your lies to me, janonsense won't put you in your place,
but i will.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 9:00pm On May 01

Ken4Christ:

Busybody. You will continue to do busybody until the trumpet will sound and you will be left behind.

Wetin concern trumpet sound with your man made GIBBERISH invented at Nicene 326 AD?

grin

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Ken4Christ: 9:06pm On May 01

Janosky:

Wetin concern trumpet sound with your man made GIBBERISH invented at Nicene 326 AD?

E go shock you. The host of hell couldn't stop Jesus from rising from the dead. So, who will stop him from descending from heaven? Nobody.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:07pm On May 01

johnw47:

it is you who keeps saying the other guy is a blasphemer, i didn't even once

You said it was two persons in the beginning but he said it's three and who is the third one according to him?

The holy Spirit!

So how else do people blasphem the Holy Spirit? Is it by slapping the spirit or saying what is wrong about it? cheesy

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Ken4Christ: 9:08pm On May 01

MaxInDHouse:

Left behind to inherit PARADISE EARTH when all unbelievers are destroyed:

"For only the upright will reside in the earth, And the blameless will remain in it. As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth, And the treacherous will be torn away from it." Proverbs 2:21-22

Guy READ YOUR BIBLE!

Back up your point with New Testament. You are so backward. Just like a lawyer using old Constitution for defense in the court of law.

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 9:16pm On May 01

MaxInDHouse:
You said it was two persons in the beginning but he said it's three and who is the third one according to him?

confused and lost false jw mad max

are you afraid to ask him

MaxInDHouse: The holy Spirit!
So how else do people blasphem the Holy Spirit? Is it by slapping the spirit or saying what is wrong about it?

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

one way of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is to say lies, and then say the Holy Spirit told you, as you did oh lost one:

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

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